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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Roxburghshire => Topic started by: ajjbc on Monday 18 April 05 01:42 BST (UK)
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How many cemeteries are there in HAWICK,Rox., and what are their names?
Thanks in advance.
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Wilton Cemetary
Wellogate Cemetary
St Mary's (no longer in use)
As far as I am aware these are the only three
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Thank you for the confirmation...those 3 are what I had thought but was not 100%.
Do you live in Scotland?
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I do indeed......Hawick to be precise ;)
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Oh My Gosh!! THAT is where the core of my research is.from all my studies I feel that I almost know the past people of Hawick..You will see at the bottom of my post most of the families in Hawick I am researching.Are you researching any of them.? What names a re you researching in Hawick or Berwickshire,that is another heavey area I am researching.
By the way...I am in Calgary Alberta Canada,orginally fron BC Canada.
I seem to have so many questions!
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At the moment I'm looking for the Rae, Cranston and Bogle families, although to be honest I have not as yet done any serious looking.
Let me know if I can be of any help to you :)
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Hi again,
I have a Jemima Rea who was born c1828 in either Wilton/Hawick,Rox.Her parents were Margaret Cunning and John Rae.
I find the spelling will change so look at them all.
Jemima Rea married George Huggan Dec 28 1846 in Hawick.
They ended up having 8 children.
If you have access to the 1901 census.I am looking for this couple:
Herriet M Huggan and James Riddell and their 1 st child.
Reason being is I have a 4 generation photo and have tracked down the 3 women,just need to know the baby's name.I believe the baby to be born between 1899 and 1901.
Many thanks.
I have the complete monumental Inscriptions for St Marys and Wellogate,...can I look anything up in there,other that those 3 names..which I will do this evening.
I am sure I will have a few more questions for you.
Do you belong to the Hawick Archaeological Society?
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Thisty...I found 1 reference to RAE in St Mary's Churchyard:RACHEL RAE born c 1795 and died May 14 1866 age 71 years.She was the wife of a Robert Laidlaw 1792-1878.
They are buried in Compartment "C" ,Row 19. #7.
There were no Bogle or Cranston names in either Wellogate or St Mary's .
I do not have the M.I for Wilton Churchyard.
My Great grandfather ROBERT WALDIE and his wife Elizabeth Richardson with their 11 children went to Nelson BC Canada in about 1910,several of the elder sons came earlier (about)1904 and built the large family home,and my grandfather,also a Robert Waldie built a home as my grandmother whom he had not yet married was arriving in 1910.
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Many thanks for that info, I'll see if I can tie them into my tree anywhere.
I have been told that my gt grandmother Alice Bogle (nee Rae) is buried in Wellogate cemetary altho no one is certain of the exact location. Her parents Robert Rae and Margaret (Wright) are also buried in Hawick but again I can't seem to find out where.
I'll do my best to get a copy of the 1901 census :)
Not a member of the archaeological society but I may look into joining soon
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I am going to go through the Wellogate M. I.'s again and see if I can see anything I missed(?) or if there is something strange.
The has should have copies of all 3 cemeteries that you could go through as well.Plus heaven only knows what else they have.I well imagine transcriptions of other churchyards too!
If I lived in Hawick I would most certainly utilize the HawicK Archaeological Society,as long as they have copies of all their previous years yearly printed books.I have the books from 1980-1987.A wealth of info.I think that I might even have to join again just to satisfy all my inquisitiveness about Hawick.
Such wonderful rich history!I have a Margaret Wright born c 1730 who married a James Waldie c1758 and had 4 known children.I will snoop through what I have and see what I can find.
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Well I'm planning a trip round Wellogate cemetary this weekend (weather allowing) let me know if there are any graves you'd like to hunt out for you.
:)
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Wellogate Cemetery opened in 1849.
The 1st person buried there was a Robert Turnbull age 17 years old. He was buried July 13 1849.
Cholera struck Hawick and Wilton and on July 31 1849 the 1st victim buried was Margaret Miller,she was the wife of John Crummie.
Two of the middle areas of Wellogate Cemetery were used .for Cholera victims...area 3 & 5 were used for the burials.
Cholera claimed 141 from Hawick and 56 from Wilton
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OOPS...forgot to tell you that the last victim of Cholera who died and was buried in Wellogate ,was buried on Nov 18 1849.
Thought I should finish that off...Interesting!
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Well I'm planning a trip round Wellogate cemetary this weekend (weather allowing) let me know if there are any graves you'd like to hunt out for you.
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Morning Thisty...thought I would touch bases with you to see if you got out to the cemetery.
WALDIE is presently what I am chasing!Am attempting a full study on all of them,that way I can sort them into families..Yikes!..I think I bit off more than I can do..Oh Well..it is a challenge.
If you can nae find your folks in Hawick,try Jedburg as well.
I am seeking the full monumental Inscriptions for WILTON CEMETERY,keep in touch and let me know how you are making out.
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Hi guys (ajjbc & Thirsty),
I couldn't help but notice your thread about Hawick Cemeteries and I wondered if you might be able to help me out
I am searching for the grave/MI of Agnes Stainton wife of James Stainton who died in Hawick, Rox between 1832 and 1840. She was probably around 40yrs old :-\
Which cemeteries were in use then? Do either of you know where I should start looking? I am in Australia and I haven't even been able to search through the death/burial records yet
Thanks so much :)
Jenny
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Hi guys (ajjbc & Thirsty),
I couldn't help but notice your thread about Hawick Cemeteries and I wondered if you might be able to help me out
I am searching for the grave/MI of Agnes Stainton wife of James Stainton who died in Hawick, Rox between 1832 and 1840. She was probably around 40yrs old :-\
Which cemeteries were in use then? Do either of you know where I should start looking? I am in Australia and I haven't even been able to search through the death/burial records yet
Thanks so much :)
Jenny
Do you know Agnes maiden name?(the wife of James Stainton)
I will go throught the M.I.s that I have for Hawick.
There is a possibility that they were buried in Wilton Cemetery too...but..one never knows.
Will get back to you.
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Jenny,...I have just gone through the M.I. for both St Mary's Churchyard and Wellogate Cemetery in Hawick and there are no STAINTON's listed.
Could well be buried in Wilton which is just on the other side of the river from Hawick...I do not have those.
What was Agnes's maiden name?... AND... where were both of these folks born?
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Hi aajjbc, just to let you know that after a good hour traipsing through Wellogate cemetary I eventually found my great grandparent's (Alice Helen Rae and Thomas Bogle) grave.
I'll jot down any details of Waldie graves that I see next time I have a look around for you.
Jenny, I'll keep an eye out for the graves you are looking for too, if they are buried in the Wilton cemetary it should be fairly easy as it's a relatively small cemetary although it has suffered at the hands of vandals so many older stones are now either gone or illegible. I'll let you know if and when I find them .
;)
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Hi ajjbc & Thirsty,
Thanks for getting back to me :)
Agnes Stainton's maiden name was Wilson and I think she was English (possibly from Northumberland or Dunham). Her husband James Stainton was born in Gateshead, Dunham in 1800 and they had their first child in 1820 in Berwick-upon-Tweed, Northumberland. James Stainton died in 1883 and is buried in Hawick too - so perhaps they are all in Wilton Cemtery? Or perhaps they are in now unmarked graves? I have some info on James Stainton (newspaper articles, obit and the like) but nothing on Agnes. James did remarry in 1840 to a Janet Anderson.
Thanks so much for the help guys ;D
Jenny
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I noticed that you mentioned the Redpath's and Turnbull's in your families of interest.
My Park family tree starts off with Thomas Park marrying Mary Redpath in 1809 at Melrose. They had two sons: Joseph (born 1810 at Mertoun) and James (born 1813 at Morebattle) who married Margaret Turnbull. I am a descendant of James. Any information appreciated.
My direct email is verbenacalling@hotmail.com
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Verbena...just went back into an old file index box that I kept many years ago.
Indeed I had MARY REDPATH there,I have her born c 1785 in Melrose,Rox. and married to THOMAS PARK.
My note says"booked for marriage Dec 10 1809,in Melrose.
Both Thomas and Mary were of Melrose.
Sorry I could not offer you more.
I have made a notation of their two sons on my info card.
TURNBULL....yikes...In Rox that is going to be one big study.My TURNBULL is back at a standstill...MARGARET TURNBULL born c 1730 was married to a ROBERT TINLINE......their daugh ANN TINLINE born 1761 marr a JOHN KERSAL....their son ADAM KERSAL born 1796 marr a MARGARET DRYDEN.....their dau ELIZABETH KERSEL born 182 marr a ROBERT WALDIE.
I am in the gleaning mode at present....so all WALDIE names I am trying to set into family groups.....he he
I think I might have bitten off more than I can chew.....but...what the heck eh!!!
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Many thanks for getting back to me - I have Mary Redpath as being baptized on 27 March 1774 in Morebattle - will have to re-check my dates. If you come across anymore info on Mary Redpath or Margaret Turnbull please contact me.
Regards
Anne
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Your date is more thanlikely the correct one..... as I had used a calculated one for filing purposes.
Will keep you in mind when researching.
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I,also, have Irish Weatherups (assorted spellings!) in my tree, Carrickfergus, Slievetrue, Ballynure locations, any of these a possibility for you?
Regards, Coral
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Hi there
Found my way to your posts. Is is possible to look for any Croziers in Hawick, in particular my great grandfather Peter Crozier buried in Wellogate Cemetery. He died 2 Oct 1927. Any other Croziers would be a bonus. Am also researching the Daykins family. Thanks
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....found:
Children of Elizh Daykins and John Crozier.
It does not give years..
John age 5 yr
Mary age 9 mo
Catherine age 4 1/2 yr,
Jane age 3 1/2 yr
Andrew age 1 1/2 yr.
Elizh Daykins died Nov 29 1905 age 71 yr
John Crozier died May 25 1906 age73 yr
That seemed to be all there was in Wellogate.
Looked through Wilton and saw none there
Hope it helps some.You should be able to reconstruct these children's birth years from use of the Census records and from there order cert from Scots People..good luck.
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Ta for info on Crozier/Daykins. What a speedy reply. I have some of the children listed in census information and now know what happened to them.
Will have to get cracking to see what else I can find out.
Is Scots people expensive? I'm in Australia and don't think the exchange rate favours me but then again I don't suppose if favours you either. Thanks again for your help - its really appreciated.
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I have just now looked on my own family research and find :
Agnes Crozier born c-1866 married 1890 in Hawick,Rox.to a Joseph Henry Murgatroyd born 1866.
Does she fit into your research.
Scots people is well worth it fees..I have used them for years and it is cheaper than sending ,by mail,for them.
Go for the gusto !!!
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Do you have this marriage of Daykins and Crozier?
John Crozier married Elizabeth Daykins Nov 15 1856 in Hawick Rox.Scot.
If you order the marriage from Scots People it should have both their parents names on it.
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Hi there
Thanks so much for your help. Sorry but I do not have an Agnes Crozier that I can see. (who knows she may turn up)
I have the info re marriage of Daykins & Crozier and I also had the info on the births of their children. It was the information from the cemetery MI that was very helpful.
I will see about becomming a member of Scotlands People and order myself a few certificates. One in particular I want to find is for my gg grandmother. She was married to Peter Crozier (son of Eliz Daykins & John Crozier) anyway she & Peter divorced in 1898 and I don't know what happened to her. Did she remarry, when did she die - all that stuff. Her name was Mary Scott Blythe born 1862. So I should be able to find her if I open my tight Scottish purse and pay for a subscription.
Can't believe how generous you are to complete strangers.
Coral
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I just came across this and noticed that a posting said there are 3 cemeteries in Hawick. There is a fourth at St Cuthberts Church, not far from St Marys. Not sure if it is still in use though.
Ritchie
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Interesting..I have not heard of that one and wonder when it began operation and when it ended (if it has).
Does anyone know if there are M.I.s for this ??
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Check out the link below for M.I.'s for St Marys and St Cuthberts.
http://www.parishchest.com/shop/index.php?cmd=listlinkeditems&cat=D8610&supplier=&breadcrumb=MIs+%26+Memorials%3A+Scotland:MIs+%26+Memorials+of+Scotland+listed+by+Product
Hope this helps
Ritchie
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Hi again,
I have a Jemima Rea who was born c1828 in either Wilton/Hawick,Rox.Her parents were Margaret Cunning and John Rae.
I find the spelling will change so look at them all.
Jemima Rea married George Huggan Dec 28 1846 in Hawick.
They ended up having 8 children.
Coming to this thread a long time after the fact, but I notice you are still using this site so I'll add my $0.02 worth.
I have a Jemima Rae Huggan in my ancestors - she was a great-aunt on my mothers fathers side born around 1889 in Hawick and her parents were George and Helen Huggan (Pettigrew). Her father was born in 1857 so I'm going to guess he is one of the children of the Jemima and George you mentioned.
I have not yet chased the 1857 George Huggan's details to confirm that.
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Hi,
Am Toronto,new to this site.Notice your names.None directly mine.Do have connect here in Toronto who is a Waldie from Hawick...Waldie Lumber here years ago is the family
Also tripped upon Ontario Dryden tree which connects perhaps back to my ancestor George Hunter baptized 1771 at Appletre-Hall...with Dryden as witness...their tree shows a Dryden b at Appletree-Hall...just a little village!..Cheers..Bryce
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Hi All
I am interested in the subject of cemeteries in Hawick as I have direct relations from the area, looking for the cemetery that William Graham who died in 1911 in Chesters Cottage, Southdean, Roxburghshire and his wife Jemima Foster who died in 1935 in 19 Burnfoot Brae?, Hawick not exactly sure of the last place.
Planning to visit when spring comes, thanks in advance.
Wul
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I too am in Calgary. A Redpath links to my Cochrane family. Pringle Redpath b. 1833 Melrose married in 1851 to Andrew Lamb b.1828 Melrose. A daughter of theirs - Isabella b.13 Sept 1855 married a Thomas Cochrane. Thought I'd pass this along. M
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I used to live in Chesters cottage, Southdean. My grandparents lived there before me! I am also a Rae!!!
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I too am in Calgary. A Redpath links to my Cochrane family. Pringle Redpath b. 1833 Melrose married in 1851 to Andrew Lamb b.1828 Melrose. A daughter of theirs - Isabella b.13 Sept 1855 married a Thomas Cochrane. Thought I'd pass this along. M
I have these people in my Goudie Family. Pringle and Andrew Lamb had four children - the youngest Elizabeth born in ca 1861 married Bruce Goudie 9th Jun 1876 in Le Bons Bay (Lyttelton) New Zealand - she was 15 and he was 39 - so from her age I assume that she migrated with her parents to New Zealand -but I haven't been able to find any record. Do you know any further details of the Redpaths or the Lambs?
Thanks David Goudie
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David - Thanks for the info on the Goudie family. I have info on the descendants of Isabella the 2nd eldest daughter of Andrew & Pringle Lamb. I'm unsure where the Elizabeth you refer to was born (ca?) doubt you mean Canada. Do you have the names of the other two children of the Lamb's I have Isabella's birth record stating that at her birth in 1855 there was 1 living son and 1 deceased daughter. Knowing that some of the Lamb's went to NZ explains why some of Isabella's children did as well. I am unaccustomed to these forums so not sure how to get what info I have to you, where are you located? Regards, Marlene
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Hi Marlene
I was interested in the exchange between yourself and David re Pringle and Andrew as they are also my ancestors. They migrated to New Zealand in 1874 and arrived at Lyttleton aboard the Canterbury on 1 Sept 1874. She sailed from Glasgow on 4 June of the same year.
Only Charles and Elizabeth accompanied them. Their two other surviving children remained in Scotland.
The Lambs had five children: John b. 29 Oct 1851, Melrose, Roxburgh, Scotland; Pringle b. abt 1853 (died as an infant and we are still working on tightening up the actual death date), Melrose; Isabella b. 13 Sept 1855, Melrose; Charles b. 2 Mar 1858, Kelso, Rox, Scotland; Elizabeth (aka Betsy) b 5 Dec 1860, Kelso. Elizabeth is my great grandmother.
I am currently actively pursuing research on both the Lamb and Redpath lines and would be happy to learn anything you can add, with a view to sharing reciprocally. I am in New Zealand. Regards Deidre
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Hawick had 5 graveyards not 4
there was Old Wilton Graveyard was next to Old Wilton Church (no longer there - the graveyard was cleared a few years ago but some newer stone were saved and are on the grassy area opposite new Wilton church (est early 1900's)). My GGG Grandfather William Reid was sexton of the old church. try the Hertiage Hub or Scottish Borders Council Burial/Graveyards Dept.
for info on the lair books.
Also St Mary's graveyard was altered to re-route a road many years ago and bodies/stone were moved. try the local council for info. and state the alteration and you should get more help.
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I have this couple who should be in one of the old cemeteries in Hawick.
James Atkin/Aitken born 1735 wife Agnes Scott born 1735.
They were married 13 th August 1756 in Hawick and their last child born 1778.
Has anyone seen their grave or know anything about them.
I live in Australia .
Norma
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Found my ggfather diary and my gfather has put an entry in say that Andrew Ballantyne funeral was at Wilton Cemetery, however can't find any confirmation of this on line.
Go to Hawick next weekend so any help would be appreciated.
Stephen Budge
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Hawick had 5 graveyards not 4
there was Old Wilton Graveyard was next to Old Wilton Church (no longer there - the graveyard was cleared a few years ago but some newer stone were saved and are on the grassy area opposite new Wilton church (est early 1900's)).
Yes indeedy. Lots of my ancestors were buried there. The legible gravestones were surveyed by the Hawick Archaeological Society in the 1930s and published in their transactions.
The other day I saw for the first time a photo of what the old church and graveyard looked like, before it was cleared. It's on the Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland website. I knew the photo existed, but the previous time I looked it hadn't been digitised yet, and I hadn't quite summoned up the enthusiasm to order a copy. Now it's online. See here (http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/images/l/1291552/).
I used to walk across that site every day on my way to and from Wilton Primary School in the 1980s. The church site and gravestones were cleared in the 1950s.
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Hi Deidre, I have just come across this note again! I am most interested in the information you supplied - thanks. I have just found Elizabeth's birth record - she was registered as Betsy as you noted but I didn't think that she would actually be registered as Betsy. Elizabeth is also my g grandmother through her son Bruce Charles. I assume you are related via one of her daughters - was it one of the 2 who married Lidstons. I would be pleased to receive any further information which you have and to exchange any info which I have. I have just found a picture of the headstone of the grave of Elizabeth and Bruce in Karori Cemetery. Kind regards David Goudie
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I am interested in the comment that "Cholera struck Hawick and Wilton on July 31 1849"
John Turnbull, a joiner, and his wife Margaret Murray were listed in 1841 Hawick census at 10 High Street, back house...and do not appear in 1851 census. A sasine transfer of property to his son-in-law, Thomas Brunton, in 1849 leads me to believe that John died in 1849. John may have been born 1 Aug 1781 and Margaret 17 Sep 1785 and I am hoping that info on their deaths will help confirm birth dates. The ages given for John and Margaret in the 1841 census were 60 and 55.
Their first born son John Turnbull born 1 April 1807 seems to have also died about 1849 either in Hawick or Canada.
I am hoping that someone has seen or has a MI for the deaths of the two John Turnbulls and Margaret Murray Turnbull.
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Cholera hit Hawick & Wilton a few times.
As for MI's a register was attempted for the cemeteries for Hawick & wilton (but not complete) back in the 1950/60's - hard to make sense of
There's still no current MI's books - cemeteries very large, most of the local books have be production by the local Family History societies relying on volunteers.
NB: not every burial has a stone.
Each cemetery should have a Lair Books - (register of Burials) generally held by the Local Authority not the cemetery.
Also if in the Cholera pits - no stones - you would have to check the lair book
I'm a Turnbull so, I'll have a look through some of my records/strays to see if they show up.
the address of 10 High Street sound familar - Turnbull the Drapers were based around there.
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There was a church now deolished and cemetery at the bottom of Dickson Street Hawick Ellio
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Hello Rootschatters! I am hoping someone can please tell me IF there is a MI for James BEST who died 22 November 1843 in Hawick. I am especially keen to know if there could possibly be any reference to his wife: Harriet/Herriot PAXTON and/or his daughter, Anne BEST who was born in 1839 in Norham, NBL, England. Thank you kindly for any and all information. (I believe that I have found Anne living with Elizabeth Best (James' Sister) and her husband, James Taylor in the following census.) After that, her trail, as well as that of her Mother goes cold. :'( Sincerely, Pat
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Ellio the church you are wrote about was the old Wilton Church, where my GGGrandfather William Reid was sexton for over 40years - It was disused for years and the new one was build adjacent Dickson Street, Wilton - The old one was demolish in the late 60's early 70's - and the graveyard was grassed over later -some stones were saved but not many and place next to the adjacent wall, because family members were still connected or traced to Hawick at the time. Both the new Wilton & Wellogate cemeteries started around the mid 1800's
MI's - for Wilton & Hawick are very sketchy and where produced in the 60's and not up dated as yet. SBC have the Lair Books - check with burial servces dept.
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Patrexjax….I have found a M.I. for your folks…
It is in "a Register of Monumental Inscription's in St.Mary's Churchyard,Hawick"
(second paper)…1936
Edited with notes by James H. Haining
Compartment "D"…Starts from South West corner and goes due South towards middle of Kirkyard. The other boundary of this division goes from same corner of Church in a nearly straight line to head of Kirkwynd,where there once was an entrance,the pathway to which is still discernible.
Comp."D" Row XV #5
Head stone:
Erected in memory of Herriot Paxton,spouse to James Best,Carrier,Hawick, who died on the 13th of June 1842,aged 35 years and of Thomas Best,their son,who died on the 9th of February 1843 aged 81 (years), and ……..4 months,….and the above James Best,died in Kelso,24 184- age 34 years.
James went from High Street every Tuesday to Kelso and Berwick.
Hope this helps a bit…I copied it exactly…….Cheers Ann
NOTE: Be careful with date and age of " Thomas Best" as their is a miscopy somewhere.
Also remember this was done back in 1935 and the stone could well have be worn by then
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Hello Ann! THANK YOU! You have broken down a 30 year old brick wall. At last I know where and when my 2xgreatgrandmother died. I will be eternally grateful to you. AND, now I know they had another child.....and, I do agree with you that there was a mistranscription somewhere because that son would have died in infancy or thereabouts. With many, many thanks! Sincerely, Pat
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You are very welcome…….and so glad it knocked down that brick wall.
I did check all 3 M.I for Hawick and Wilton….and that was the only Best & Paxton names that appeared.
Enjoy Ann
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Hello again, Ann! Not to be greedy, but perhaps I will be lucky and find a collateral line who are surely buried in Hawick, also. James Taylor born 1822 married Elizabeth Best who was born 1820 in Bedrule; they had 5 children, all born in Hawick. Can I be cheeky and ask if there could possibly be an MI for this couple? Sorry I have few details on them. Pat
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No problem….Now I did go through the 3 M.I.books I have for Hawick and nothing….but I did a wee bit of research and came up with a few ideas.James Taylor born c 1822 must have died between 1855 and 1861,because….he is on the 1851 census with wife Elizabeth and 3 children,Margaret,John,& Catherine. Now on to the 1861 census he is not there,but,Elizabeth is married to William Brown age 53 and Elizabeth is listed as 38..and there are 5 children listed with the name Taylor,Margaret,John,Catherine,Agnes & Elizabeth,All born in Hawick.
AND….Annie L.Best age 21 ((listed as Niece) I suspect step niece))..born in England
Suggest you go to "Scots People" and look for James Taylor death between 1855 & 1861 in Roxburghshire….good luck
Feel free to ask any questions anytime….Cheers Ann
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Hello Ann! How very kind of you for the extra efforts and thank you for the suggestions! I remain in your debt! :) Most sincerely, Pat
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Be sure to go for that death cert. for James Taylor….as it will give you additional information that you might not have,…..age, death place,occupation,& possible parents names,plus his wifes name.
This gives you proof of the pudding……….Let me know how you make out on that. ..Ann
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Could not resist the thrill of the hunt…
James Taylor age 34 died April 3 1856 at Hawick…
Listed as married
He lived at # 7 Mid Row,He was a Grocer & Spirit Dealer.
His Father was John Taylor,Occ,Brewers Assistant
His mother was Catherine Fairbairn (Dec')
He died from Hydrothorax (more than 2 months)
Buried in the New Burial ground in Hawick.
Informant was..James Hay,his brother in law
cheers Ann.
NOTE if you send me a private email..with your email address,I will scan this copy and send it to you.
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PM sent! :)