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James LYNCH ( a gardener )and Jane HEAV(E)Y ( probably both from Meath) lived in Leixlip ,Kildare from 1870 ish probably until 1900's.
We know they had the following children
Catherine/Kate Josephine b 1869 ( Meath we think) but possibly baptised in Leixlip - married a British soldier William CHILDS in Dublin and eventually migrated to Wandsworth and had 11 children.
Christopher b 1870 - ?
Margaret b 1872 - married Thomas MULLALLY and migrated to Huddersfield 1911 - 1920's with their 3 children.
Patrick b 1874 - ?
Jane b 1876 - ?
Mary b 1878 - ?
Bridget b 1880 - ?
Anne b 1883 - ?
James had died by 1891, and Jane was alive in 1911.
Do you recognise any of these people in your tree ?
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There are records for several of the children in the extracted births collection on Familysearch - including Kate/Katherine (see : this link (https://www.familysearch.org/s/search/index/record-search-advanced#searchType=records&fed=true&collectionId=1584963&advanced=true&givenName=&surname=lynch&eventType=birth&birthLocation=&birthYear=&range-birthYear=1&relationship=parents&fatherFirst=james&fatherLast=&motherFirst=jane&motherLast=heavey&filtered=true) )
Name: Kate Lynch
Birth Date: 30 Oct 1869
Father's Name: James Lynch
Mother's Name: Jane Heavey
Reference Number: v 17-1 p 473
There's no birthplace mentioned but the reference numbers (volume & page numbers) can be used to locate the correct civil reference :
Name: Kate Lynch
Registration district: Celbridge
Event type: Birth
Year: 1869
Volume:17 / Page: 473
The registration district of Celbridge covers townlands in counties Kildare and Dublin, plus a few in Co. Meath. A birth cert would show further details like the exact place of birth.
see :
Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
Details included on a Birth Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433041.0.html)
p.s. have you found Jane on the 1901 and/or 1911 census returns ?
Shane
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thanks Shane, yes i have only recently discovered most of the relevant records on the pilot IGI site, having previously used the Irish Roots site that has the searchable database and pay per view basic transcript that we viewed of the baptism. The birth certificate is obviously the next thing to order, but probaly won't reveal any more detail than we know from the baptism.
We are specifically interested in the rest of the family, that may lead to soeone who knows even more of James and JANE.
Jane was indeed located on the 1901 census with daughter Maggie and husband Thomas MULLALLY, to be honest that was the major find, because Aunt Mags was really the ONLY one of the siblings we knew about by name, including her husband. We did hit the jackpot there!!
In 1911 we assume we have also found her living on her own.
Catherine always said she was born in Leixlip 31-10, but I think that may not be the case.
Phil
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I had a search for possible marriages or James and Jane, but didn't see anything promising.
What county does Jane list as her place of birth on the census returns ?
Shane
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Jane's birth place Co Meath on both 1901 and 1911 (i'm pretty sure it's the same person in 1911)
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hi, my name is georgina gorman, GGG granddaughter of James Lynch and Jane Heavey, i am still looking for more information about James Lynch.... Jane Heavey was born 17-06-1841 in Kilcloon Co Meath..... Janes father is Patrick Heavey... and her mother is Margaret Heavey..( Nee.. Daly) They married on the 11-02-1839 in Kilcloon Co Meath, James Lynch and Jane Heavey had a son called Patrick born 28-07-1876, he married Katie Maguire on the 03-02-1903, They had a daughter called margaret (maggie) born 22-05-1909 who married Michael Byrne on the 22-10-1933, They had a daughter called Kathleen ( my mother ). i hope this of use to you, x g
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thanks Shane, yes i have only recently discovered most of the relevant records on the pilot IGI site, having previously used the Irish Roots site that has the searchable database and pay per view basic transcript that we viewed of the baptism. The birth certificate is obviously the next thing to order, but probaly won't reveal any more detail than we know from the baptism.
We are specifically interested in the rest of the family, that may lead to soeone who knows even more of James and JANE.
Jane was indeed located on the 1901 census with daughter Maggie and husband Thomas MULLALLY, to be honest that was the major find, because Aunt Mags was really the ONLY one of the siblings we knew about by name, including her husband. We did hit the jackpot there!!
In 1911 we assume we have also found her living on her own.
Catherine always said she was born in Leixlip 31-10, but I think that may not be the case.
Phil
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hi, i cant seem to p.m. to you, i got your mess, i hope these ans help you, Patrick Lynch from Liixslip, married Catherine Maguire from Lucan dublin, on the 03-02-1903 in the Roman Catholic Chapel of Lucan Celbridge Dublin. Patrick Lynch father James (deceased), Catherine Maguire father Martin , their witnesses were Thomas Mulalley and Jane Lynch,( Thomas Mulalley lived in the same household as Jane Lynch nee Heavey in the 1901 census)i have a a copy of this marriage cert and can send it to you if any good to you.
i am still reserching Patrick Lynch but he was in the army, my Grandmother (his daughter margaret (maggie)) told me he suffered for many years with shrapnel wounds, Patrick Lynch and Catherine (Kate) Maguire Lived at 44 Roebuck Dundrum Dublin, they had 6 children 2 boys and 2 sets of twin girls (my Granmother being one of the youngest set of twins born in 1909), my Grandmother died in 1997 aged 88, My Grandmother Margaret (maggie) Lynch married Michael Byrne and lived in Blanchardstown Co Dublin, they had 8 children born alive 7 are still alive ageing between 77 and 60, my mother Kathleen being one of them, I live in Tullamore Co Offaly ireland (my fathers birth town), i have not put my family tree up on the web but i must do soon , i hope this helps, x g
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It is likely that
James LYNCH died in1889 in Celbridge Reg District.
Jane LYNCH died 1925 age 86 in Celbridge Reg district.
From the the Valuation books and Cancellation Books of Leixlip
Jane lived at 5 & 6 Mill Lane Leixlip from 1905 - 1925.
The following LYNCH's are related to James , and possibly brothers, living in Leixlip.
Patrick born circa 1839 died in Leixlip 1926.( viewed at Confey cemetry )
Bryan living in Collinstown 1850 - 1885.
Michael living in Leixlip 1862 - 1874.
And possibly James father -Bernard born 1806 died 1879 and his wife Julia born 1806 died 1882.
From the Kildare Observer Sept 1st 1883 -Christopher LYNCH born 1870 died 29-8-1883 age 13 after falling into a wheat store and suffocating. Believed to be James and Jane's son.
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I lived all my childhood and a good portion of my adulthood in Leixlip and I remember two Lynch brothers living in a lovely little cottage in Mill Lane. Their names were Christy and Martin, they were elderly men when I was a teenager and that's a right few years ago!!! I'd say though that they are related to your family. Sams Mam
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Having recently re-visited this family I have found the birth registration of another son of Patrick, who was the eldest son of James and Jane.
His name was Martin, born in 1913, brother of Christopher Bernard LYNCH.
Who is believe to be the grandson who was the informant on James death registration.
So this dies tie up with sams mam’s recollections. Certainly Christopher was in 5 Mill Lane in 1941, and in 3 Mill Lane 1944 to 1967.
The significance of Christopher 2nd forename as Bernard, does suggest a family link to the Bernard mentioned in this posting.
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Probably this one...
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c reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Lynch of Celbridge
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nsu/
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Indeed, that site now has quite few records that can be uploaded, unfortunately not the death entry for James Lynch aged 50 in 1889.
I have quite figured out how to order the cert from 1889 yet! I managed to get Jane’s Back in 2012.
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Indeed, that site now has quite few records that can be uploaded, unfortunately not the death entry for James Lynch aged 50 in 1889.
I have quite figured out how to order the cert from 1889 yet! I managed to get Jane’s Back in 2012.
They will be online "soon"......
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https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
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From https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-civil-registration.html
If you have the GRO Index reference/Group Registration ID, you can order a 'research copy' of the bmd registration for just €4 from GRO Roscommon or any local registration office in the Republic of Ireland.
Download form from
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/images/content/www.genealogy.ie_form.doc
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Do not ask for a 'research copy' as there is no such thing you need a 'photocopy of original Cert'
If you are in Ireland then any Registry Office across Ireland can print a copy there and then!
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Excellent, thank you for the heads up!
The marriage of James to Jane Heavey is still not coming up on any index, the James Lynch marriage #577 from early 1869 Cellbridge appears to tie up with an Elizabeth.... but worth checking to see if there is an error when I can view it.
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I just put her name in, ticked Marriages..... not there!
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I will be over in the GRO (probably Thursday of next week) if anyone wants certs ordered. They are 4 euro each.
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James Lynch 1889 informant Jane
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1889/06142/4754646.pdf
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Many thanks to all of for your help.
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Re James LYNCH = Jane HEAVEY marriage.
This is bit of a coincidence, so will be looking at this marriage , hopefully when the Registration document is available.
In Kilcloon, Co Meath , the Reg district where Jane was born!
January 12th 1869, the marriage of James LYNCH and Jane SHERRY .The actual church record is viewable on the Catholic Parish at the NLI microfilm 04177/09 page 13 and it is open to interpretation , but this is so close to the the structure of the name HEAVEY/ HEAVY. On Ancestry there is clearly a hand written transcript of this entry, that also uses SHERRY as the interpretation.
In terms of time line, Jane gave birth to Kate on 31st Oct 1869 nr Leixlip , Kildare, the entry says they were in Kilcurragh, but I am not sure exactly where this is.
The witness names are difficult to interpret, perhaps looking at the actual document might help to resolve the entry.
I would welcome any thoughts on this.
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Re James LYNCH = Jane HEAVEY marriage.
This is bit of a coincidence, so will be looking at this marriage , hopefully when the Registration document is available.
In Kilcloon, Co Meath , the Reg district where Jane was born!
January 12th 1869, the marriage of James LYNCH and Jane SHERRY .The actual church record is viewable on the Catholic Parish at the NLI microfilm 04177/09 page 13 and it is open to interpretation , but this is so close to the the structure of the name HEAVEY/ HEAVY. On Ancestry there is clearly a hand written transcript of this entry, that also uses SHERRY as the interpretation.
In terms of time line, Jane gave birth to Kate on 31st Oct 1869 nr Leixlip , Kildare, the entry says they were in Kilcurragh, but I am not sure exactly where this is.
The witness names are difficult to interpret, perhaps looking at the actual document might help to resolve the entry.
I would welcome any thoughts on this.
I think it would be helpful to include Links to records you refer to.
Catholic Parish at the NLI microfilm 04177/09 page 13 Name of Parish??
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Leixlip is Microfilm 10176 / 01.... so not that one!
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Kilcloon, Batterstown and Kilcock | Microfilm 04177 / 09
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635223#page/13/mode/1up
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I little bit of a disappointment following the updated of Civil Records registration documents on the IrishGenealogy.ie site this week.
Despite being sure there was a corresponding entry in 1869, there is no corresponding registration document for the marriage of
James LYNCH to Jane SHERRY/HEAVEY.
Further research has identified the problem.
Of the 45 marriage entries ( transcription ) in the Kilcloon, Batterstown And Kilcock Parish from 1864 to 1873, the following are found in the GRO database.
All 11 entries 1871 , 72 and 73 are there.
Only 2 entries of the other 34 marriage records., one in Batterstown 1864 the other in 1865 in Kilcloon.
Whether this is representative of the whole database I am not sure, certainly you might not expect anywhere near 100% of records successfully surviving the transcription / record collation.
GRO quite that overall , in the early years national from 1863 15% of births and marriages were not registered.
I have provided the GRO with all the data including the various ref numbers in case this can help identify additional records lurking in the archive, not incorporated into their index.
So my search for James LYNCH parents remains with the clues I have from the various docs ,
Possibly son of Bernard and a Julia who died in Leixlip.
Possibly from Co Carlow based on the place name recorded on daughter Kate’s bapt entry as Killcarig.
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Despite being sure there was a corresponding entry in 1869, there is no corresponding registration document for the marriage of
James LYNCH to Jane SHERRY/HEAVEY.
Not everyone Registered their BDM's !!