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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: maggbill on Sunday 13 February 11 04:21 GMT (UK)
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Revisiting 1881 Glasgow Census of my Carrigan ggrandparents I re-read the family names in the relevant tenement building at Westmuir St., Glasgow.
Amazingly, the first listed is Thomas Glendinning, basket maker, (born Lanarkshire). And the reason I was amazed? I have just started researching my OH's family tree, and one of the first names researched is his Grandmother, Jessie Glendinning - of a basket maker family from Elgin/Aberdeen area! (Father was William Glendinning)
Is it just too strange a coincidence? Could the Thomas Glendinning listed in Glasgow, be of a branch of my OH's Elgin/Aberdeen relatives? I have found a death for this Thomas, age 57, (parents Thomas and Letitia Glendinning), in Glasgow.
Does anyone know the general story of the Glendinnings of either Glasgow or Elgin/Aberdeen of the late 1800's? A well known ?Highland Traveller family?
What a possible coincidence? My great grandparents living in the same tenement in 1881 as the possible relatives of my OH's Grandparents? Tooooo much to believe, considering my OH (born Aberdeen) and I (born Glasgow), didn't meet till we were well established in Sunny Australia?
Hmmmmmm....
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Hi I am also researghing glendinning family.
I am a desendant of william but through his daughter georgina, my friend/3rd cousin comes from jessies line, william's parents are not who you think william was born in laggan to john glendinning and catherine stewart.
Where in oz are you? I am in the not so sunny scotland.
Look forward to your reply Dottie.
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Hi Dottie,
Great to hear from you.
Jessie Glendinning was the maternal grandmother of my husband. We have recently even got a photo of her. We knew her father was William Glendinning and his father and mother were John Glendinning and Catherine Stewart. Is Laggan somewhere near Aberdeen or Elgin?
I have been in South Australia since I was a teenager, and I must say that I used to think that I had a fair knowledge of Scotland - but the more family tree I research, the more I find out about Scotland's recent history. Fascinating stuff. And what varied lifestyles! My own family are typical West Coast/Glasgow - ancestors who mostly worked in the Steel foundries, and cotton mills - so I was so amazed to find a "Glendinning" basketmaker living in the same tenement as my Foundry worker great grandparents in the middle of Glasgow. Do you have any knowledge of Glendinnings in Glasgow? They most likely are not connected to my husbands Glendinnings, or are "10th cousins, twice removed"... or something similar!!!lol
So, your Georgina and "our Jessie" were sisters? Do you know of any other siblings? We really are only just beginning to research my husbands tree.
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Hi thanks for the reply.
Laggan is inverness area, do you have william's birth certs., i do, there are more siblings i will pm you tomorrow night after my hubby has gone to work on his nightshift. Which child is your hubby's mum or dad? Dottie
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Hi again Dottie,
thanks for the reply. No, we don't have any certs for William Glendinning - we know very little of him apart from the fact that his wife was ?Gemima or ?Jamesina? Kellie or Kelbie? - oh, I am lying, we have his death entry - died 30 November 1919 in Elgin? but that is about all we know. My OH is the son of Jessie Glendinning's daughter Joan.
I think my brain has turned to mush, because I have just been trying to sort out a real confused batch of my ancestors - Carrigans who kept changing the spelling of their names, also married into at least two or three branches of Corrigans - and now I am trying to sort out a Mary Ann who had a son by her first marriage, said son married the auntie of a young lady, who married Mary Ann's son by her second marriage..... yes, it actually does make sense - but I had to talk to myself for half an hour before I could sort it out.
Definitely time for bed for me. !! Cheers
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There were plenty of basketmakers making wicker baskets for stoneware whisky jars and the like. The east end of Glasgow had several important stoneware potteries.
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I too have been carrying out some research on the Glendinning family as it touches on to my late wifes KELBIE family - Jemima Ann Kelbie being the wife of William Glendinning. William and Jemima had 11 children - all born either in Aberdeenshire or Banffshire (although Georgina was born in Perthshire). Jessie Glendinning (1869-1942) married a renowned basket-maker Ebenezer Hay McMillan (1861-1943) and had 14 children.
The family remained in the Morayshire area and can be found on the Morayshire Heritage Site - http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp - which I have found to be most helpful.
I have found none of this family in or around the Glasgow area, but that is not to say that John Glendinning and Catherine Stewart didnt have more family than I have found so far.
I would appreciate it if you would get in touch with me and we could exchange further details
Bill
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Hi bill i was wondering if you have a marriage or a death for john and catherine ? and like you i can find no trace of these thanks Dottie.
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Currently no Dottie. Going by their birth dates I would expect them to have got married pre-SR (1855) so would have to delve into the OPRs. I really havent been doing the OPRs to date, but am getting to the point that I will have to start on them - I am using a 'bucket' system to gather as much data on the all those with connections to the KELBIEs and it is standing at almost 6000 individuals. You can imagine that gathering all the certificates to prove that number is a mammoth task.
However I will have a look for John and Catherine on my next visit to Edinburgh.
Bill
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Hi RBcabal, Imber and dottie43,
Thanks for your input. And particularly for that link RBcabal - lots of very interesting stuff about Moray, and have found Ebenezer Hay McMillan.
Ebenezer Hay McMillan's parents were John McMillan and Jane Kellie (or Kelbie?) and Jessie Glendinning's mother was Gemima Ann Kelbie? - were the two mothers related?
Just from "word of mouth" knowledge - Ebenezer and Jessie's children were named - Joan, Margaret, Aggie, Lizzie, Frank, Ebenezer, Jeanie?, Rachel, Willie, James, Harriet and possibly 3 others unknown. We do have a couple of photos - one of Ebenezer and Jessie in older years, another of Ebenezer basket making, and another of him with two young ladies thought to have been his daughters who "died young"?
Really must start to sort out this family tree - only been at it about 3 weeks, but already got lots to chase up.
Cheers and thanks everyone!
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Jane and Jemima Ann Kelbie were sisters - Jane was born c.1829 in Falkland, Fife, and Jemina Ann c. 1841 in Aberdeen. I have yet to find the OPRs for them - not only did the family tend to tell porkies, but there is a considerable number of variants to the surname KELBIE.
I will contact you in IM with the details I have on Ebenezer and Jessies family.
Bill
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Hi again RBcabal,
Thanks again, - good information - and to think that originally I was reading Jane and Jemima's name as Kellie !!! Showing my own West coast/Scottish/"Irish" background? Lol... I was unaware of how common the name Kelbie was.
Thanks for the list sent - huge help... lots of work to do!
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Hi there, I am Shona Stewart nee MacMillan the grandaughter of Frank McMillan son of Ebenezer Hay McMillan and Jessie Glendinning. I have just strated on the trail and so far have traced Jessie's father, mother and grandparents but after that I am stuck. I would very much appreciate it if you have any information or photos you would like to share.
I live in the NE of Scotland not far from where Frank was born, in a tent!
kindest regards
Shona
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Hi shona,
I am a rellie of your jessies sister georgina, and like you i have only got back to grandparents john glendinning and catherine stewart and can get no further back.
I have a few certifacates i could send and some news clippings if you want?
If you follow the link from earlier post you will get a lot of you family. Dottie
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I read somewhere that 'basket makers' and the like were Gypsies - I have CLENDINNING from Ireland who, I'm told were originally GLENDINNINGs from Scotland - and possibly Gypsies - Of course, I've not found any proof of either on my lot -
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Our glendinnings were travellers, where in ireland are yours from? mine are from county down. Dottie.
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Our glendinnings were travellers, where in ireland are yours from? mine are from county down. Dottie.
My lot were in Northern Ireland - Donegal and Fermanagh - I don't have much on them in Ireland other than where they lived in Ireland, and their immigration to Australia - George CLENDINNING born circa 1806 in Templecarn Pettigo Donegal, his wife Sarah O'DONNELL born circa 1815 also in Templecarn - together with their 8 children came to Australia in 1854 aboard the SABRINA - According to George's death cert in 1876 Muswellbrook NSW his parents were William CLENDINNING and Fanny SMITH, I don't have anything else on William and Fanny, that's all I have on George and Sarah in Ireland, don't even have marriage details for them - Their eldest child was born 1835 in Donegal - (My Aunt [who died in 2001] did the early research and told me she thought William originally came from Scotland as a GLENDINNING, but I don't know why she thought that and I don't have any of her paperwork or research pertaining to them)
Char
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Dottie
thanks so much for your reply, I would love anything you may have on the family. I am outside Inverurie and not far from many of their old haunts. Reading the summer walkers which is very interesting although so far no mention of the McMillan other than they were another travelling family from the highlands.
Shona
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Hello Shona and others, I am Georgina's grand-daughter, and I got as far as John and Catherine too. Georgina was born in Little Persie/Perth,and her parents were William Glendinning and Jemima Kelbie.
Georgina was married to Donald Stewart and they brought up their large family at 43 Princess Street, Huntly. They were definitely travellers/pedlars/tinkers as it is on all the Censuses. It is amazing stuff and I came from those travellers, however being almost the youngest of ten children myself, we were properly domiciled, so I never knew the full extent of it going that far back until I got onto Scotlands people. I was only little, but I saw Georgina the day before she died of Lukemia, and she was fit and on her feet on that day in Jopps Lane in Aberdeen, around 1948? when one of my oldest sisters took me to visit her at her daughter Bunty's house.(My Auntie)
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Hi All, - in particular Shona and Hazel,
Sorry Shona, I must have missed your post in April - your Grandfather Frank McMillan was my husbands uncle (Frank being the brother of my OH's mother Joan McMillan). If we are right, Frank died 27 April 1973. Interestingly my husband migrated here to Australia in 1969, and had his one and only visit back to "The Auld country" in 1973!!
And Hazel - I too used to think I knew a lot about Scotlands recent history, till i started my family tree! I have discovered some interesting history of the "Highland Travellers" - Stewarts, McMillans, and Glendinnings being well known families... Changing subject Hazel can you tell me if "Bunty" is an abbreviation for a specific name - as my OH remembers another Bunty - daughter of Agnes McMillan.
"FindingAncestors" - there are some websites which give a good idea of these "Highland Travellers" as compared to the Romany Gypsies - quite a separate group... Boy, oh boy, how Family research broadens our horizons!
I did a bit of my husbands tree at the beginning of the year - must admit it is a huge task and have been concentrating more on my own "Glasgow" side of the family. Oh, to be a time traveller - or even at least to have the finances to afford a visit back to see all the family connected areas!
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Hi all my cousins,
Bunty is a name in its own right and bunty was one of Georgina's 8 daughters, and my mothers name was Harriet Stewart third youngest of 8 girls and two boys of Georgina Glendinning's whose oldest daughter Maggie had a child named after my Grandmother Georgina, to John Williamson on Feb 6Th 1910 and mother and daughter lived with the family at 43 Princes Street Huntly. Baby Georgina would have been my cousin, but I was not born till the forties so I never knew her, or if I did, I probably thought she was an auntie or a granny something.
I too noticed that Richard Kelbie father of Jemima Glendinning was Married to Jemima who ? on Jemima glendinnings death certificate. Can anybody please explain this please? I cannot believe that no-one knew her maiden name.
My own father was Davy Hurtchison from Rare Tunes on the internet, and he died in 1976. His mother was Mary Stewart and his father was James Hutchison both of Peterhead and both basketmakers/accordion players. Mary Stewart's mother was Mary McFee who married James Stewart in 1846 in Inverness.
Thats enough for just now as it is a bit much to take in, but I have to tell you that only recently a lot has been let loose on Scotlands People from a Micro Fishe with two large sites of tent dwellers near Caithness, I believe, in a census, and I think that maybe Richard Kelbie is there. It was quite a bit settlement of Kelbies and I just could not take it in, I had to clear my head a bit first. Isn't it exciting?
Both my mother and father came from Stewarts on half of each side.
I too noticed that we all have William Glendinning and Jemima Glendinning/Kelbie as our Grandparents or great granparents.
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Hello Hazel
Georgina Glendinning (1876-1949) was the daughter of William Glendinning (1840-1919) (James Glendinning (1815-?) and Catherine Stewart (1844-?), and Jemima Ann Kelbie (1841-1922) (Richard Kelbie (1789-1849) and Janet Jamieson (1808-1881). Georgina was the 1st Cousin twice removed of my late wife JANE KELBIE (1938-2005).
I have been doing the KELBIE family tree for about 20 years now, and have been compiling - with the grateful help of other Scottish Travelling families - a complex tree. Apart from inter-marrying within the Travelling community, many married with others of the same surname, and even within their own family!
Are you related to Alexander Hutchison (1936-2011) ? And do you know Lillian Hutchison (b.1964)?
Bill Bailie
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Hello Bill,
Thanks for that and it is very accurate and I will be sending you a private message.
Hazel
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Hi Hazel
I don't think you have been on here for a while and may not see this message, I am a new member. My grandma ( Mary Rose Susan Stuart) was the first wife of Donald Stuart ( Stewart), the eldest son of Georgina Glendinning and Donald Stuart. He was a brother of your mum Harriet , he moved to Walsall after WW2 and married again in 1943 after the death of Rose. His younger brother Bill lived in Corby. I have a couple of photos of Donald if you would like them, one in his soldier's uniform and one Wedding photo. I am looking for further information about my Grandma Rose, who was English, lived in Aberdeen for a while then Fraserburgh and Maybole where I think she died as a result of an Air raid. They had two children, now deceased, William and Derick. Anyway, if you get this message let me know if you would like any of my information. I was really interested in your information about Georgina as I think Donald also died of a form of leukaemia. Best Wishes, Bianca.
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Message to HazelAberdeen
You are Georgina's grand-daughter?
I am her sister Jemima's grandson.
I'm also pretty sure that you grandfather Donald was the younger brother of my grandfather James Stewart.
I'm afraid I never new any of them at all though, all long gone before I came on the scene.
Best Regards
Neil Stewart
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Another thread about the same family
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=462113.0
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Hi All
My DNA result links me to people who have Gendinning in their family tree. I can’t find any records for my great grandparents other than my great granddad’s name James Chadwick and occupation basket maker on my grand parents marriage certificate. He was deceased by 1923 when they got married. Their daughter Annie Chadwick died in 1955 and is in the family burial plot at Southern cemetery in Manchester. When she married Horace Dalton she was 34. This is from the marriage certificate. I can’t find her birth records. My dad’s DNA Leslie Dalton ( DOB 5/1/1927 to 12/10/2006) is showing 50% from the Scottish Highlands.
Could any help?
Kind Regards
Julie