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Title: Howarths in Radcliffe
Post by: nthack on Sunday 13 February 11 10:11 GMT (UK)
Hello,

I am looking for information on James Walch Howarth and his father John Walch Howarth.
John died in 1856 and was married to Elizabeth Walker in 1852. His occupation was "cotton manufacturer". James died in 1886, divorced, alcoholic and extremely wealthy.
Does this rimg any bells with anyone? Surnames of Walch, Mather, Walker and Howarth from Radcliffe are ll possibles.
John was 33 when he died of TB.

Help please.
Title: Re: Howarths in Radcliffe
Post by: garstonite on Sunday 13 February 11 11:37 GMT (UK)
Hiya ...according to www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
John Walsh Howarth married Elizabeth Walker in 1852 at St Marys ,  Radcliffe,   Bury  CE22/2/113

was WALCH a mis spelling -or do you have him as WALCH and not WALSH ?
allan :)
his death is also John Walsh Howarth aged 33 in 1856   so born 1822/23
allan :)
this looks good .....SAME CHURCH
13th November 1820 marriage of  James Howarth to Sarah Hoyle  a possible mother for John ?:)
Title: Re: Howarths in Radcliffe
Post by: Mr. MIGKY on Sunday 13 February 11 13:39 GMT (UK)
Hiya ...according to www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
John Walsh Howarth married Elizabeth Walker in 1852 at St Marys ,  Radcliffe,   Bury  CE22/2/113 *

was WALCH a mis spelling -or do you have him as WALCH and not WALSH ?
allan :)
his death is also John Walsh Howarth aged 33 in 1856   so born 1822/23
allan :) *
this looks good .....SAME CHURCH
13th November 1820 marriage of  James Howarth to Sarah Hoyle  a possible mother for John ?:)

* John Walsh Howarth married Elizabeth Walker Johns father was called Thomas Howarth Elizabeth Walker's father call William Walker. Married on 26th July 1852

* John Walsh Howarth aged 33 in 1856 died 26th May 1856.

Migky  ;)
 
Title: Re: Howarths in Radcliffe
Post by: nthack on Sunday 13 February 11 13:52 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your quick replies. I am afraid there is nothing new here.
I have John's death cert and he was 33, so born in 1823.
I have his marriage cert to Elizabeth Walker in 1852 too.
There is a John Walsh Howarth baptised in Radcliffe in 1840. If this was him, he would have been 17. Parents are Thomas Howarth and Ann Walch.
No sign of him in 1841 and 1851 census.
No sign of his probate either, so I'm not sure where the money came from.
The Walkers were farmers, but not particularly wealthy.
Any cotton mills of Radcliffe experts out there?

Title: Re: Howarths in Radcliffe
Post by: Mr. MIGKY on Sunday 13 February 11 14:00 GMT (UK)
http://www.spinningtheweb.org.uk/industry/

Migky  ;)
Title: Re: Howarths in Radcliffe
Post by: mosiefish on Sunday 13 February 11 14:17 GMT (UK)
1851 census:

Stand Lane, Pilkington

Thomas Haworth, Head, Wid, 57, Cotton Gingham Manufacturer, Bury
John, Son, U, 27, Cotton Gingham Manufacturer, Radcliffe
James Hoyle, Nephew, U, 25, Warper, Pilkington

Regards,
Mo
Title: Re: Howarths in Radcliffe
Post by: Mr. MIGKY on Sunday 13 February 11 14:26 GMT (UK)
I take you also know John Walsh Howarth aged 33 in 1856 died 26th May 1856, is buriad in ST. Mary's radcliffe ?

Migky  ;)
Title: Re: Howarths in Radcliffe
Post by: mosiefish on Sunday 13 February 11 14:32 GMT (UK)
Possible death for Thomas:

Thomas Howarth, aged 64 registered in the sub district of Pilkington in 1857.

Mo
Title: Re: Howarths in Radcliffe
Post by: Mr. MIGKY on Sunday 13 February 11 14:47 GMT (UK)
Thomas Howarth buried in ST. Mary's Radcliffe April 30th 1857 age 64.

Migky ;)
Title: Re: Howarths in Radcliffe
Post by: nthack on Monday 14 February 11 00:32 GMT (UK)
Many thanks again for all your speedy replies. I am beginning to piece it together.

Garstonite, where did you find the marriage of James Howarth to Sarah Hoyle?
Title: Re: Howarths in Radcliffe
Post by: garstonite on Monday 14 February 11 08:56 GMT (UK)
Many thanks again for all your speedy replies. I am beginning to piece it together.

Garstonite, where did you find the marriage of James Howarth to Sarah Hoyle?

go to www.familysearch.org     ..home page   ... go to search      ...advanced search
James Howarth    ... marriage    .. 1820 ....England...
4 results .....all info of
James Howarth to Sarah Hoyle  13th November 1820 at St Marys ,Bury ,Lancashire
allan :)
Title: Re: Howarths in Radcliffe
Post by: Mr. MIGKY on Monday 14 February 11 09:40 GMT (UK)
The James Howarth marriage ST. Mary's  1820 is in Bury Town center and not ST. Mary's Radcliffe.
Witness's John Cuncliffe & Thoma Crompton if it helps.

Migky  ;)
Title: Re: Howarths in Radcliffe
Post by: garstonite on Monday 14 February 11 11:57 GMT (UK)
Thanks Migky...just over 2 miles apart...so it is worth having a look at....allan ???
Title: Re: Howarths in Radcliffe
Post by: Mr. MIGKY on Monday 14 February 11 14:09 GMT (UK)
ST. MARY'S RADCLIFFE  (http://www.radcliffeparishchurch.org.uk/history.htm)

ST. MARY'S BURY (http://www.buryparishchurch.com/)

Migky  ;)
Title: Re: Howarths in Radcliffe
Post by: Radlad on Friday 18 February 11 20:59 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your quick replies. I am afraid there is nothing new here.
I have John's death cert and he was 33, so born in 1823.
I have his marriage cert to Elizabeth Walker in 1852 too.
There is a John Walsh Howarth baptised in Radcliffe in 1840. If this was him, he would have been 17. Parents are Thomas Howarth and Ann Walch.
No sign of him in 1841 and 1851 census.
No sign of his probate either, so I'm not sure where the money came from.
The Walkers were farmers, but not particularly wealthy.
Any cotton mills of Radcliffe experts out there?


'Walker'was a common name in the cotton industry in Radcliffe . The Walker Allen Company was a bleaching works ( I believe Walker was a christian name in this example)and the Walkers Foundry  made and sold cotton manufacturing machinery all over the world. All the surnames you mention are very common today in Radcliffe.


Title: Re: Howarths in Radcliffe
Post by: Brian Nicholson on Wednesday 29 May 19 19:07 BST (UK)
James Walch Howarth is my Great Grandfather .He married Ada Wild and they had a child named Elizabeth Walker Howarth . Ada and James divorced when  Elizabeth was about 4 years old . Elizabeth  married my grandfather George Robert Hutchinson Nicholson . James Walch Howarth married again to a lady named Amelia Keller in January 1886 , James died that same year in September. I have further details should anyone require same.