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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: McCallister on Monday 14 February 11 20:33 GMT (UK)
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I am seeking information about two sisters, Mary (1862) and Annie (1868) McIlfactrick, born in Kilray Londonderry Ireland. Parents are Hugh and Jane. I can find no records of this family other than word-of-mouth information. I suspect they are presbyterian.
There is some indication they may have come over from Scotland.
I can find Hugh in Scotland at age 14, but no other sign of them.
Both sisters left Ireland by 1885 for Canada or US, although I am having trouble finding any immigration information on them as well. Any help available to find records that these sisters actually lived in Kilrea?
thanks for any help! SJB
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Hi,
I cannot find your family but there are three or four familys of McILFATRICKS in the districts of KILREA and Garvagh which are close together in the County of Londonderry in the 1860s..
Regards
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There were lots of McIlfatricks/Kilpatricks in Kilrea area- I've records of several named Hugh but either birthdates of wives don't match the family you are looking for.
The church records around Kilrea are actually very good for 1800s but not everything is online.
Could you explain this- "I can find Hugh in Scotland at age 14, but no other sign of them." is Hugh a brother to Mary and Annie?
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thanks for all the replies. I have records of a few McIlfactricks around Kilrea
but none matched up to names or ages, and I couldn't find any more.
Marriage records from Ontario Canada show both sisters listed parents
as Hugh and Jane McIlfactrick. There was a rumor that the family could
have come from Scotland, and I found Hugh born there about 1840, that might
have worked age-wise. Mother's name (unconfirmed) was Jane Miller.
No record whether she came from Scotland or Ireland. Annie (or Anna)
was born in 1868 supposedly in Kilrea, and was my husbands grandmother. Family wasn't big on geneology or record keeping.
Any help is appreciated. Sjb
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Hi,this is what I know about the sisters:
mother and father are Hugh and Jennie(Miller).
Mary was born 1868 married to Dugald McMillen in Windsor Canada(the scottish connection could be correct as her husband)seems to have a scottish name
Sarah was born 1865 married to Joseph H. Brown 6 Dec 1889 Windsor,same place as her sister above.
Do you know if there were any more brothers and sisters as I have found a John McIlfatrick whose father is listed as Hugh at his wedding in 2nd Kilrea Church in1876?
There does not seem to any records of the sisters in Kilrea, a Hugh shows up at 1st Kilrea church records on 11th October 1828 in Candidates for Communion 1825-1838.
Sometimes the name can be spelt wrong,try Mcelfatrick,Mcefatrick, or even Kilpatrick.
How did you find Hugh in Scotland as wondering if is descended from John who went from Ireland to Glasgow,whose father was also called Hugh born 1790?
Lastly do you know if Mary had an illegitimate son called Samuel born 1881 as his mother is listed as Mary McIlfatrick?
Hope this helps.
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Sometimes the name can be spelt wrong,try Mcelfatrick,Mcefatrick, or even Kilpatrick.
These are merely spelling variations and not uncommon- can also be McIlpatrick, McElpatrick, McIlfatrich, etc.
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Thanks Aghadowey,
I notice in your earlier post you mention you have records of several Hugh McIlfatricks in Kilrea do you know if Hugh the father of Mary(b.1864) & Annie(b.1868) is same Hugh who is the father of John MciIfatrick who got married in 1876 as his marriage certificate says his father is Hugh?
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Did John marry in Ireland? if so, what was the name of his wife?
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Hi,
John got married in 2nd Kilrea Church Feb 1876 to Mary Ann Murphy,her father listed as Michael Murphy( Labourer) and his as Hugh McIlfatrick (farmer).
Their Children seem to be Hugh b.26 feb 1878 d.15th feb 1949,Archibald b. 6th Sept 1880 d.1964,Mary-Anne born 1883.
Hugh buried with James McIlfatrick d.1904 in 1st Kilrea Church but I cannot find how they are related, the gravestone is erected by a nephew also called Hugh.
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Hugh buried with James McIlfatrick d.1904 in 1st Kilrea Church but I cannot find how they are related, the gravestone is erected by a nephew also called Hugh.
As far as I know, Hugh McIlfatrick (d.1949), Drumsara, m.(1906) Martha Johnston (d.1982)- one son James Hugh (c1912-Dec.2001) married but had no family. I remember discussing the McIlfatricks with James and he was of the opinion that his family were not related to my connections, or at least not at all recent a connection.
Will have a longer look at my notes tomorrow and see if I can add any more details.
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Hi Agahodowey, yes I am aware of JH Mcilfatrick(little Jimmy) he is listed as born Coleraine 1911, I suspect that James buried in same grave as Hugh(his father)is a brother that he did not know about as he died 1905.I believe they all lived in Claragh as mentioned on the Gravestone.
I presume there would be records is 1st Kilrea with details of James but I don't know how to access them.
I am not sure what your connection is but really I am trying to trace Samuel Mcilfatrick. Within the family there is rumour that he is descended from someone in Maybole,Scotland.Hugh b1837 is listed in the 1851 cencus as being born in Ireland but living in Maybole so this seems to be the correct McIlfatricks.
I need to confirm that Hugh moved back to Kilrea area and his childern are Mary b1864,Annie b1868 and John (who married Mary Anne Murphy) grandfather of "Little Jimmy"
I am wondering if Mary could be Samuels mother and the reason we cannot find any birth records is that he was born in Sctotland or US?
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Hugh & Martha McIlfatrick in 1911- married 4 years, 1 child born/living- daughter Margery's age entered rather strangely-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Kilrea/Claragh/591891
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002811728
Birth registration for Margery McIlfatrick- also Coleraine district-
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBP5-WMD
James Hugh McIlfatrick's birth registration was Coleraine district but not sure where he was actually born-
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FB52-C4S
James McIlatrick (c1839-1904)-
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FTFX-LWB
"Probate of the Will of James M'Ilfatrick late of Claragh County Londonderry Farmer who died 8 July 1904 granted at Londonderry to Hugh M'Ilfatrick and John Mullan Farmers"
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I am not sure what your connection is but really I am trying to trace Samuel Mcilfatrick. Within the family there is rumour that he is descended from someone in Maybole,Scotland.Hugh b1837 is listed in the 1851 cencus as being born in Ireland but living in Maybole so this seems to be the correct McIlfatricks.
I need to confirm that Hugh moved back to Kilrea area and his childern are Mary b1864,Annie b1868 and John (who married Mary Anne Murphy) grandfather of "Little Jimmy"
I am wondering if Mary could be Samuels mother and the reason we cannot find any birth records is that he was born in Sctotland or US?
Was your Samuel McElfatrick living in Caulhame in 1911 and married to Hessie Dougherty?
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Yes married to Hessie Doherty.Have you found anything relating to his birth?
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Supposed to have been born at Tamlaght and died 1916 WWI and his mother Mary McIlfatrick was still living at the time. Married 20 May 1902 First Garvagh Presbyterian Church.
1911 census- Samuel McElfatrick:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Bovagh/Movenis/1519660
1911 gives him as Samuel John McIlfatrick:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Bovagh/Caulhame/590678
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Thanks, I heard Samuels middle name might have been John but not confirmed until today.Any clues where his mother lived?
From the link you sent I now see that Hugh was buried with his unmarried uncle James.Jane the sister of James also lived in same house but their ages are different to what I have found.In 1851 census James b.1820,Jane b 1833 and in the 1901 census James b.1838 sister Jane b 1836.
Could some of the dates be wrong as seems strange that there are 2 Hughs with father John and Uncle James & Aunt Jane?
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McIlfatrick information that I have: Annie McIlfatrick born Kilrea Ireland 1868, sister Mary born
1862. Never found any birth records for either. Both sisters emigrated to Canada, then US in 1885 (Annie) and 1882 (Mary). Each married in Windsor Ontario Canada (four years apart) and each listed parents as Hugh and Jane McIlfatrick. On Annie's death certificate her maiden name is listed as Miller. Unconfirmed that the family came from Scotland to Ireland. When checking Scotland records I found a 1851 census from Maypole, Ayrshire with parents John and Helen McIlfatrick, with children James 31, Jane 18, Mary Ann 16, Hugh 14, Sarah 11, William John 9. Age is right for this Hugh to be Mary and Annie's parent.
Census in Detroit for Mary just lists one child to Dougal McMillan, Anabella born about 1895.
Don't know anything about a Samuel. Annie never spoke much of her family, but gave impression
family was not impoverished in Ireland/Scotland. thanks for all the previous information.
I am still digesting it, as I haven't been on the site for quite awhile.
McCallister
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Hi McCallister,I have the same info just trying to connect the 2 sisters to Hugh or even finding them in Kilrea.I have found a Hugh in Kilrea at his son Johns wedding in 1876 who is rumored to have come from Maybole in Scotland so this would seem to be the correct one.Do you know if the sisters had a brother?
Do you have any idea if the sisters worked as checking the records seems to be a a few Mary J Kilpatricks and Anne J Kilpatricks (nothing listed as Mcilfatrick immigrating from Londonderry.Did both sisters have J as a middle name and do you have any idea why they immigrated.
I found a Samuel born to Mary McIlfatrick 1881/84 but she seems to have disappeared.
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Hope to sit down later with notes from my file and see if I can sort out any of this... either that or what I find will add more confusion :D
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In all the US census info there is no middle letter or name for either Mary or Annie. I found an
Annie on a ship register leaving from Glascow, (1886) but never found where Mary emigrated from, just the date 1882 when she was in Detroit MI. It could be she had a baby, and left town. Don't know
anything about a brother John either. Annie was my husband's grandmother, and didn't choose to share much of her history. She and Mary both worked as domestics in Detroit when they first came to US. I haven't been able to verify any birth records in Ireland or Scotland for her or Mary, just trying
to put some pieces of the puzzle together. thanks for the above information. The more pieces
the better.
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I found the Marriage Certificate of Marry which does list her parents as Hugh and Jane and her husband Dugald was born in Scotland but I cannot find any details of Annies,do you have?
Do you have anything to link the 2 sisters to Kilrea?
If both were born in Kilrea,theye were more than likely registered at Coleraine or Ballymoney, maybe even Ballymena( I am originally from Kilrea but registred in Ballymoney as thats where the hospaital was), have you tried looking for them with the various spelling of McIlfatrick?
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I have copies of both Mary's and annie's marriage records. Mary was married in 1894, Annie in
1889. They were both married in Windsor Ontario Canada. Both records show parents of the sisters were Hugh and Jane McIlfatrick. annie always said she was born in Kilrea, but that her family had come over from Scotland. That's what led me to check census for Ayrshire Scotland and find Hugh. She never indicated she had brothers or sisters but that doesn't mean she didn't have them.
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Will deal with the 'Scottish' problem first.
"There is some indication they may have come over from Scotland. I can find Hugh in Scotland at age 14, but no other sign of them." and "There was a rumor that the family could have come from Scotland, and I found Hugh born there about 1840, that might have worked age-wise."
"How did you find Hugh in Scotland as wondering if is descended from John who went from Ireland to Glasgow,whose father was also called Hugh born 1790?" and "Within the family there is rumour that he is descended from someone in Maybole,Scotland.Hugh b1837 is listed in the 1851 cencus as being born in Ireland but living in Maybole so this seems to be the correct McIlfatricks." and "Unconfirmed that the family came from Scotland to Ireland. When checking Scotland records I found a 1851 census from Maypole, Ayrshire with parents John and Helen McIlfatrick, with children James 31, Jane 18, Mary Ann 16, Hugh 14, Sarah 11, William John 9."
This Hugh McIlfatrick was the son of John McIlfatrick/Kilpatrick (born c1797 Crossland) and Eleanor Gilmore (born c1802 Boveedy). The family went to Maybole, Scotland bet.1842/1851 and then on to Victoria, Australia. In the 1851 Maybole census you will notice 3 young men from Ireland lodging in the household- one of these, John Logan, married John and Eleanor's eldest daughter Jane and they went to Australia in 1862.
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Thnks, on 1851 census are father John 52, mother Helen 49,son James 21,daughter Jane1 8,daughter Maryann 16, son Hugh 14,daughter Sarah 11 and youngest son William John 9.There is indeed a lodger called Joan Logan?Is the name Helen a different version of Eleanor?
Did all the Family including Hugh go to Australia as in the 1861 census John & Helen are still there with the youngest son William John,the others are not listed?
I thought the father John might have been the son of Hugh b.1790 who married married Mary Killough from Gortahar,but lived in Londonderry.Their children were James,Maryann, Margaret and John who went to Glasgow but the DOB does not work.
I presume coincidence that name Hugh and name Maryann crop up in different family of McIlfatricks ,any information to what happened to this John McIlfatrick who also went to Scotland from Londonderry?
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In Ireland (and family records) Eleanor is also called Ellen but in Scottish records the more common (in Scotland) form of the name is Helen. The McIlfatricks and Logans left for Australia 1862. John and Jane Logan, and 3 children, are in 1861 census in Maybole. There were quite a few McIlfatrick children (including an earlier Mary Ann and Hugh that died young) and from memory all the surviving children ended up in Australia.
I thought the father John might have been the son of Hugh b.1790 who married married Mary Killough from Gortahar,but lived in Londonderry.Their children were James,Maryann, Margaret and John who went to Glasgow but the DOB does not work.
This is probably the next problem to clear up. I have seen various 'sources' which say John went to Glasgow but I believe this is inccorect (unless he went to Scotland for a very short period).
Children of Hugh McIlfatrick & Mary Killough:
1. Jane McIlfatrick (26 May 1833), bapt. 7 June 1833 1st Kilrea.
2. James McIlfatrick (c1836-8 July 1904 Claragh), bapt. 31 Jan.1836 1st Kilrea.
3. child (16 June 1838), bapt. 1 July 1838 1st Kilrea.
4. Mary McIlfatrick (2 Apr.1841), bapt. 29 Apr.1841 1st Kilrea.
5. Margaret McIlfatrick m.(1854). Alexander McClister/McLeister.
?6. John McIlfatrick m.1 (1853) Mary Michael; m.2 (1876) Mary Ann Murphy.
There is also-
Hugh McIlfatrick Jr. (illegitimate son of Hugh McIlfatrick Sr), Claragh, m.(1845) Margaret Jane McKay, dau. of John McKay & Eliza McIlfatrick.
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Very briefly, I noticed you mentioned before that John McIlfatrick was married twice first to Mary Michael and then Mary Ann Murphy but on his marriage certificate his father is listed as John a labourer & later marriage Hugh a farmer which made me think this was 2 different people.
Are Hugh & John the same person?
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this is a technical question: throughout these postings it is mentioned "1st Kilrea," or
" 2nd Kilrea". what does this refer to?
If they are church records, what is the church?
I noticed in many of the census that someone posted many of the McIlfatricks
were Presbyterian. Was this common in that area of Kilrea? I assumed that
much of Ireland was catholic.
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The area was a mixture of religions (mainly Church of Ireland, Roman Catholic and Presbyterian)- most of the non-Catholic families were of Scottish Presbyterian stock.
The churches are 1st Kilrea Presbyterian Church and 2nd Kilrea Presbyterian Church. There were also Presbyterian churches outside Kilrea at Boveedy, Tamlaght O'Crilly, etc.
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hi,
just came across this McIlfatrick thread. I don't know if there is any connection but here goes :
My great-grandfather was John Mullan, Claragh, Kilrea. he had a brother
their parents were Patrick Mullen and Jane McElfatrick married 1864
Jane's father was Hugh McElfatrick
When my granny was alive ( she died about 23 years ago ) she would have talked about a James McIlfatrick, who would probably have been a contemporary of hers. In fact I think he was related but it is so long since I looked at that branch of the tree that I am just talking off the top of my head here !!! - just looked up and old notebook - granny had a 2nd cousin called James McIlfatrick. ( At a quick guess, he was the son of John Mullans cousin Hugh ).
angela
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Hi,
I'm another who has just found this thread. I'm part of the "Scottish" family, and can confirm that they all emigrated to Victoria or, in Hugh's case, South Australia. During their time in Scotland they adopted the name Kilpatrick.
The family came from the townland of Crossland, and I've been trying to link my ancestor John Mcilfatrick to the other families of that name in the district. There are some interesting connections through church records, etc., but the information available seems too incomplete to reliably link him to any of them.
If anyone here can shed any light, I would be most grateful.
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Hi
Just recently found this site and find it interesting since I am a distant cousin of Mary Ann Murphy that was married to John McIlfatrick.
We are First cousins 3X rem. She was a granddaughter of my 3X Great Grandfather James Murphy. James was born in Londonderry in 1794. His eldest child, Mary (Mollie) Murphy married a Archibald Murphy in 1849 in Kilrea (Mary Ann's parents ) and the family stayed in Ireland while James brought the rest of the family over to Canada and settled in Southern Ontario, Chatham area. I would be interested in contacting one of the McIlfatrick clan. I know there were some in Ballymaconnelly
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Hi,
John got married in 2nd Kilrea Church Feb 1876 to Mary Ann Murphy,her father listed as Michael Murphy( Labourer) and his as Hugh McIlfatrick (farmer).
Their Children seem to be Hugh b.26 feb 1878 d.15th feb 1949,Archibald b. 6th Sept 1880 d.1964,Mary-Anne born 1883.
Hugh buried with James McIlfatrick d.1904 in 1st Kilrea Church but I cannot find how they are related, the gravestone is erected by a nephew also called Hugh.
I am a first cousin 3x removed of Mary Ann Murphy who married John McIlfatrick.
I have a Murphy Family Tree going back to Mary Ann's grandfather James Murphy.
On the tree, Mary Ann's parents are listed as Archibald Murphy and Mary (Mollie) Murphy d/o James Murphy and Elizabeth Reid. Archibald and Mollie were married 29 Nov 1849 in Kilrea.
You have the name Michael as her father and I have Archibald, so maybe both names are for same person. I have no paperwork other than Family Tree.
Hope this helps someone.
thx
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Hi, doing research for a friend relative of McIlfatrick, please contact, are you in N. Ireland. I am in Bangor, Co. Down - (*)
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Hi Vivienne,I am trying to find details of Samuel Mcilfatrick and mother possibly Mary Or Martha,yes they came from northern Ireland.
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Have you tried a Search like this for Civil Registrations?
LINK to results http://www.rootschat.com/links/01oxn/
Any with Returns Page No don't have Images of Certs at moment but use Link every few months to look for updates.
Solve security Captcha and use initials to sign in, Irish Govt BDM Website. Certs are Free.
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See https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line for years etc
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This might be your Sam....in Glasgow St Antrim in 1911 Census as you've given absolutely no hint as to year born etc...
1911 Census LINK http://www.rootschat.com/links/01oxo/
IF so, you can check for Birth Reg for them via Link posted.
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Hi, thanks for that, he was born 1881 or 1883.
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Hi, thanks for that, he was born 1881 or 1883.
No problem...didn't waste much time looking.
You can look yourself to see if his Birth was registered or not via Link.
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I am not great at this cannot find anything.I had a DNA test done and shows a match of Martha Ann Mcilfatrick b1869 which adds more confusion, she could be his sister, mother or aunt.
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No problem. The Civil Reg Link posted will get you all of their BDM Registrations anywhere
...and if you are sure they were in Coleraine District then click on Coleraine to look at the 19 registrations there, etc. or just click Births if you want Births.
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This might be your Sam....in Glasgow St Antrim in 1911 Census as you've given absolutely no hint as to year born etc...
1911 Census LINK http://www.rootschat.com/links/01oxo/
Kilrea's Samuel McIlfatrick is in Co. Londonderry in 1901 and 1911- see links already posted in reply #14
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Thanks Moderator,I have cencus details, trying to find details on birth.
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Was his Birth Registered?? Or those of any others on your list? These show parents, address etc
Then look for Marriage of Parents...or Death.
LINK to all 59 Registered Births http://www.rootschat.com/links/01oxr/
LINK to all 37 Registered Marriages http://www.rootschat.com/links/01oxs/
LINK to all 56 Registered Deaths http://www.rootschat.com/links/01oxt/
which includes all those still in pipeline ( with Returns Page No ) that are awaiting Images of Certs to be attached.
It is the Irish Govt BDM Website, Certs are Free.
Just solve security Captcha and use initials to sign in...
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Thanks Moderator,I have cencus details, trying to find details on birth.
He was born at Lismoyle (not Tamlaght as family said) and registered as John.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02672/1984510.pdf
I suspect he and his mother moved around a bit as would have been common in labouring class. He went from Ballyagan School (outside Garvagh) to Drumeen School. The register was in private hands when I made copy but not sure of its present whereabouts.
Drumeen School, entered 26 Feb.1894, Samuel McIlfatrick, age 8, Presbyterian, Coolnaman, parent- labourer, from Ballyagan School
P.S. I haven't been a Moderator in years
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I am trying to find details of Mary McIlfatrick born Lismoyle, Ballynian area around the mid 1850s.
I found her in the Swatragh church records when she had a son in 1884 but I am unable to locate any other information.
DNA indicates that she is related to the four brothers of Thomas 1805, John/Thompson 1813, James 1815, & Allan 1817 and their father John McIlatrick born 1775 who was married to Jane Wallace.
One of the brothers : James McIlfatrick 1815 had a son John MIlfatrick born 1843 who married Catherine Atkinson and Mary could possibly be his sister as I have high DNA matches to Campbell as James 1818 was married to Ruth Campbell 1806-1872 but I have not been able to find any clues on Mary?