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Title: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: tellx on Tuesday 15 February 11 18:01 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I'm looking for advice as to how to find a marriage between my great grandparents in Dublin.

The only record I can find is in the 1901 census for Dublin when they have a 5 year old son. They are both down as Catholic although we thought my great grandfathers family were Anglican.

Their names were William Conway & Kate / Kathleen Dolan.

Any advice as to where to try (via web) would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Martin
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: shanew147 on Tuesday 15 February 11 18:07 GMT (UK)
Have you found then on the 1911 census ?

The return for that year includes number of years married which can help narrow the search.

see the BMD Index on the following link.  You have to search for the bride & groom separately and look for a cross match of the details (registration district, year/quarter, volume & page numbers) to find a possible marriage

  Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)


Shane
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: tellx on Tuesday 15 February 11 18:16 GMT (UK)
Many thanks Shane - will try the link.

As for 1911 I can't find them in either Ireland or England (they moved here in about 1915 we think) which is equally frustrating as I think there must be a transcription error somewhere, but it continually eludes me.

Cheers

Martin
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: shanew147 on Tuesday 15 February 11 18:16 GMT (UK)
...
The only record I can find is in the 1901 census for Dublin when they have a 5 year old son. They are both down as Catholic although we thought my great grandfathers family were Anglican.

Their names were William Conway & Kate / Kathleen Dolan.
....

I dont see any 5 year old male Conway children in Dublin on the 1901 census - what address did you find the family at ?


Shane
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: tellx on Tuesday 15 February 11 18:22 GMT (UK)
Silly mistake!!

Should have read 5 months - many apologies.

Address is 15 Crampton Buildings, South City.

Cheers

Martin
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: shanew147 on Tuesday 15 February 11 18:26 GMT (UK)
here they are for ref :

  Conway family - 1901 (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/South_City/Crampton_Buildings/1304640/)

William born Coventry(?), England, Kate born ?allycorus(?), Dublin and son Herbert born Dublin city


Shane
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: tellx on Tuesday 15 February 11 18:32 GMT (UK)
Many thanks again Shane,

Think I've got the marriage.

William Conway & Kate Dolan both in apr-jun 1899 in Dublin South with same film, volume, page and digital folder number but different image numbers.

I will try tracking from there.

Cheers

Martin
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: shanew147 on Tuesday 15 February 11 18:33 GMT (UK)
as a starting point here's a possible Index match for Herbert's birth :

 Name: Herbert Henry Conway
 Registration District:  Dublin South
 Event Type: Birth
 Quarter and Year: Jan-Mar 1901
 Volume : 2 / Page: 630

He could have been born late in 1900, and registered in the first quarter on 1901. For notes on ordering cert etc see :

 Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
 Details included on a Birth Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433041.0.html)


Shane
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: shanew147 on Tuesday 15 February 11 18:35 GMT (UK)
....

Think I've got the marriage.

William Conway & Kate Dolan both in apr-jun 1899 in Dublin South with same film, volume, page and digital folder number but different image numbers.
.....

the only details that need to match are the ones I mentioned earlier

...
look for a cross match of the details (registration district, year/quarter, volume & page numbers) to find a possible marriage
...


Shane
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: tellx on Tuesday 15 February 11 18:45 GMT (UK)
Many thanks Shane,

will order the certificate and take it from there.

Cheers

Martin
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: maryau on Monday 20 March 17 10:13 GMT (UK)
Hi, I was doing a bit of research and came across this post.  I have been researching William Conway and Kate Conway (Dolan) as I believe they are my great grandparents.  Just today I located their marriage records and birth records of their son Herbert.  I also found them on the 1901 census, which shows that William came from Coventry in the UK.  I can find nothing further in the Irish records and I see you state that they moved back to the UK in about 1915.  Are you able to provide any further details as to what became of them?  This is so interesting...I do hope to hear back from you.
Warm Regards,
Mary
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: dathai on Monday 20 March 17 11:25 GMT (UK)
Simon Dolan a Packer not a Teacher
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/South_City/Crampton_Buildings/1304641/
Frank Lawler's parents 1895 Michael and Annie Doran he is a grandson
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10516/5830590.pdf


1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/South_City/Temple_Bar/60140/

his marriage 1866
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jr1/

son Patrick's marriage 1896 with Kate as witness
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=rathmines_mf_1882-1906_ma_0095

Simons children
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jr2/

Kate/Catherines birth 1872 in Ballycorus father/s occupation Smelter
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03263/2196092.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballycorus_Leadmines
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: josey on Monday 20 March 17 11:35 GMT (UK)
Welcome to rootschat maryau  :).

The last time tellx logged into rootschat was February this year. It may be possible that they have their settings so they do not receive notification of replies to this thread. If you make 2 more posts (just reply twice to this thread using the blue 'Reply' button at the bottom) you can contact him/her by personal message using the text icon under their name - it's green when someone is online. Sounds like you are related.

Dathai's finds will be helpful.

Josey
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: dathai on Monday 20 March 17 11:50 GMT (UK)
1906 a Daughter Kathleen born to William and Kate at Little Longford St
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01731/1684210.pdf
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: dathai on Monday 20 March 17 12:08 GMT (UK)
They were at 4 Little Longford St till 1910
http://databases.dublincity.ie/burgesses/search_new.php

type William Conway into advanced search
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: dathai on Monday 20 March 17 12:12 GMT (UK)
Different families there 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Royal_Exchange/Longford_St__Little/
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: dathai on Monday 20 March 17 13:09 GMT (UK)
Thomas Peter born 1904 died 1905 at Little Longford Street buried Glasnevin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01840/1718195.pdf

Annie Emily born 1905 ? died 1905 at Little Longford Street buried Glasnevin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05580/4567381.pdf

found her listed as Anne Canway
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01796/1704699.pdf
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: dathai on Monday 20 March 17 13:12 GMT (UK)
hmm i wonder
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Palmerstown/Gallanstown/41183/

there might be some record of this child in Workhouse records to rule her in or out
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: maryau on Monday 20 March 17 13:38 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much Dathai. This nurse child Kathleen Conway, raised by the Kenny family, is my grandmother. I don't understand what a nurse child is/was and don't know what happened to her birth parents.
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: Maiden Stone on Monday 20 March 17 14:56 GMT (UK)
A "nurse- child " was a sort of foster-child. See topic " What is a nurse child?" from miss marple,  55106.
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: npl on Monday 20 March 17 15:19 GMT (UK)
Hi Martin,

Kate was born in the Barony of Ballycorus, civil  Rathdown if that helps.
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: tellx on Monday 20 March 17 15:29 GMT (UK)
Hi Mary,

Always great to hear from any potential family members.

William George Conway and Kate (Catherine) Dolan married on the 3rd April 1899 in the chapel of St Michael, Dublin. As far as I knew they had 3 children: Herbert in 1900, Kathleen in 1906 and "Florie" as yet untraced. My dad can remember meeting "Uncle Herbert" and also "Auntie Florie", but knows very little about them.

William George Conway was the son of Herbert Simmonds Conway (watch maker) and Emily Brook. He was born in 1873 in Coventry and died in 1937 in Birmingham. He had 7 brothers / sisters (so far).

Kate (Catherine) Dolan died in 1953 also in Birmingham. My dad can remember her fairly well as he had to help look after her towards the end.

Kathleen Mary Conway (1906 - 1985) was my Grandmother. After she moved to this country from Ireland she spent her whole life in Birmingham. She married twice.

First to Albert Fellows in 1926 and they had a daughter Kathleen born later that year, who sadly died a couple of years ago. (Leaving a son, a daughter and two grandchildren.) Albert died when she was young, following an accident at work.

Her second marriage was to James Terry in 1933. They had a son William in 1935, (my father). James Terry died in 1972. I have a brother and a sister as well as a nephew.

I hope all or at least some of this information is useful. Please get in touch if I can help any more.

Cheers,

Martin

ps A HUGE THANKYOU to Dathai for the links and information he has posted. I had let this branch of the family slip a bit and I now have many extra routes to explore.
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: dathai on Monday 20 March 17 15:41 GMT (UK)
As i said if you can get a look at workhouse records you may find more info there re the fostering of Kathleen.

example reply 18 here found for me by Hasta
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=761819.18

unfortunately workhouse records are on one of the pay sites
Title: Re: Dublin marriage - advice please
Post by: ajc1999 on Sunday 07 May 17 08:26 BST (UK)
Just came across this thread whilst doing general search -my Grandfather was Herbert Henry Conway, brother of Kathleen and Florie. Herbert died during the war (1943) in Sterling, Scotland. There was another brother, Patrick William Conway (b.1893 in Ireland) - not sure what became of him. My father Peter Conway (son of Herbert Henry) says he can remember his grandmother Kate (Dolan) when he was a child in Birmingham.

I have been researching Conway tree quite a bit - managed to go back to mid 1700s but further you go back records get more difficult to verify

John Conway (1756-1823)
William Conway - b.1872
John William Conway (1822-1896)
Herbert Simmonds Conway (1853-1912)
William George Conway (1874-1937)
Herbert Henry Conway (1900-1943)
Peter Anthony Conway (1937 -
Andrew John Conway (1965