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Research in Other Countries => South Africa => Topic started by: Gortraney on Thursday 17 February 11 05:02 GMT (UK)
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I'm looking for any information on the descendents of Zara Jeanette Kennedy Campbell (nee Sloan) born in Mhow India in 1900 who died in Natal 1967. I have the following entry:
CAMPBELL, Zara Jennette Kennedy. Born Sloan, Mhow, 1967, Prsp Campbell, Samuel Reid. Deceased Estate No. 3917/1967., 3919/1967
And know that Zara, although born in India was raised in the North of Ireland. (She was my grandfather's elder sister and my mother is named after her). Her husband Samuel Reid Campbell was, I believe, either a doctor or a dentist and was born in Co. Down. Any information anyone can give me on either of them or any children they may have had would be gratefully received!
The other family connection is via my great-grandmother's (Zara Jeanette's mother) sister Sophia Mary Hanna (born 1884 in Kells, Co. Antrim) who married Sir Robert Alfred McIlwaine (born 1871 in Larne, Co. Antrim, died 1943 in Rhodesia) who was Solictor-General among other things. I know they had at least three children, so again any further information would be gratefully recieved!
Many thanks
Trish
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Hi Trish,
I've been researching my family tree lately and came across your post. My great grandmother is Zara Campbell; my grandmother, Bridget Eccles nee Cambell is her daughter. I have a family tree I found in my grandmothers house, I'll have to ask her where its from, it doesnt have any dates but it has names, including the Sophie Hanna and Robert McIlwaine you mentioned. I'm trying to place you in this tree, is your grandfather Patrick Sloan? I could also email you a copy of this family tree if you would like?
I don't think Zara Campbell died in Natal however, I believe she died in Belfast, in 1965, but she was born in Mhow. Her father was Captain John Sloan and mother was Jeanette Sloan, nee Hanna. John Sloan was in the British Army as a surgeon and they both went to Mhow. He died I think after sustaining a surgical wound which became infected, leaving Jeanette there alone with the very young Zara and Patrick. I believe after a while relatives managed to raise money to get them home. Zara then married Samuel Reid Campbell, a doctor; they met and married in South Africa but I'm not sure why they were there. They had both their children, Michael and Bridget in South Africa; I think they moved back to Northern Ireland in 1938. Michael had two children who live in Canada. Bridget had my mother, and two sons who both live in USA now.
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Thanks,
Stuart
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Hi Stuart
I'll start by saying how THRILLED I am to *meet you*. I've been hoping to make contact with your side of the family so your message is a very welcome sight! My grandfather was indeed Patrick Sloan (I'm named Patricia after him) and my mother is Zara, who was named after Patrick's sister, your great grandmother. So we are most very definitely related :)
I discovered both your great grandmother and grandfather had died in Belfast after originally posting this thread. I'm still researching the Hanna/McIlwaine/South Africa side of the family. It's interesting you mention how John Sloan died in India as we had the exact same story passed down this side of the family. I've been hoping to find more information in his obituary in one of the Roscommon papers but until I can clear a window in my work schedule to take another trip I'm afraid I haven't got much further than the one in the BMJ. There was a fire in his father's shop in Boyle, Co. Roscommon a few years after he died, so very little in the way of photographs, records, etc. were passed down our side of the family with the William John Sloan name (which grandpa Pat, my Uncle Sean and cousin Timothy all carry)
I would most DEFINITELY be interested in ANY family trees/pictures/stories etc. you would like to share with me. I shall send you a PM with my email addy anda link to teh tree I have online. And again it is LOVELY to hear from you!!!
Trish
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Zara then married Samuel Reid Campbell, a doctor; they met and married in South Africa but I'm not sure why they were there.
Meant to say I know Zara travelled to South Africa several times with her mother Jeanette (presumably to visit her Aunt Sophia McIlwaine, though Jeannette also had a brother named George Boyle Hanna who was with the Indian Medial Corps). Jeanette lists her address as being the Presbyterian 'huts' at Ballykinler in one of the passenger lists. I'm assuming it may have some kind of connection to the Hanna family being so prominent in the Presbyterian Church. Her elder brother Robert Kennedy Hanna was a Moderator of the Presbyterian Church in Ireland, following in the footsteps of his ggg-grandfather Samuel Hanna who was the first Moderator of the Reformed church. Do you know if Zara met Samuel at home or away?
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I'm not sure how I stumbled on this but this is my family! My father was Samuel Reid Campbell Ritchie and Bridget is my aunt. My children and I would love to learn more about my father's side of the family. I see that the previous posts date back a few years but hopefully you can still be reached.
Alison
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There is quite a bit of information on McIlwaine in the archives, not sure what you have or not. But there is a will for Mary Sophia McIlwaine. If you want the info pm me your email and I'll get it off to you.
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Probably your man...
DEPOT KAB
SOURCE AG
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 1750
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PART 1
DESCRIPTION MCILWAINE, R. RECORD OF SERVICE OF. SALISBURY.
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SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 297
PART 1
DESCRIPTION MOTION. PETITION OF ROBERT MCILWAINE IN RE ADMITTANCE AND ENROLMENT
AS A BARRISTER OR ADVOCATE OF THE SUPREME COURT OF THE COLONY.
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ENDING 18980000
DEPOT KAB
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TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 5
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PART 1
DESCRIPTION IMMIGRATION PAPERS. ROBERT MCILWAINE.
STARTING 1907
ENDING 1907
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Not sure if you are looking for N.I. information but in the last few years lots more online resources have become available. Just in case you don't have it, here's the 1911 census entry for Jeanette Sloan and her 2 children-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Bangor/Tennyson_Avenue/262530
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Just for interest sake - Lake Mcllwaine in Rhodesia was named after Sir Robert. He was a Judge and also the founder of the Soil and Water Conservation Movement.
It has since been renamed Lake Chivero.
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From some of the documents on Naairs it appears there was also a McIlwaine Game Ranch in Rhodesia....
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By chance I have just come across this site. I am a grandson of Sir Robert McIlwaine of Rhodesia and if anyone is interested I have quite a bit of information about him and his family plus I have some family photographs. Regards. Peter
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Zara then married Samuel Reid Campbell, a doctor; they met and married in South Africa but I'm not sure why they were there.
Meant to say I know Zara travelled to South Africa several times with her mother Jeanette (presumably to visit her Aunt Sophia McIlwaine, though Jeannette also had a brother named George Boyle Hanna who was with the Indian Medial Corps). Jeanette lists her address as being the Presbyterian 'huts' at Ballykinler in one of the passenger lists. I'm assuming it may have some kind of connection to the Hanna family being so prominent in the Presbyterian Church. Her elder brother Robert Kennedy Hanna was a Moderator of the Presbyterian Church in Ireland, following in the footsteps of his ggg-grandfather Samuel Hanna who was the first Moderator of the Reformed church. Do you know if Zara met Samuel at home or away?
Hello! I just stumbled across this site whilst carrying out some family history research and George Boyle Hanna is my great grand father so it's very exciting to find some relatives here! Robert Kennedy Hanna is my great great uncle and my great uncle was named after him. My grand mother, Eileen Moore, née Hanna, his sister, was very fond of him and my Dad has some photos I could send / upload if anyone is interested.
I'm quite new to genealogy so any help / advice would be much appreciated. Oh and please feel free to access my family tree info in case it might help any of you fill in any gaps you might have :) I'd love to connect with you all on Ancestry.co.uk and I've just done the DNA test (currently awaiting my results) so that might help us trace our ancestors back even further! Robert Hanna b. 1742 d. 1810 and his wife Jane Macrory b. 1751 d. 1810 is as far as I've been able to go with the Hannas so if anyone has gone back any further than that I'd love to hear from you.
Kind regards,
Laura
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By chance I have just come across this site. I am a grandson of Sir Robert McIlwaine of Rhodesia and if anyone is interested I have quite a bit of information about him and his family plus I have some family photographs. Regards. Peter
Hi Peter,
Am catching up on all my posts and apologize for the late reply. I would absolutely LOVE to read/see anything you have on Sir Robert McIlwaine's family in Rhodesia. I now know there were two more branches of the Hanna family tree out there. Elizabeth Bertha Boyle Hanna married Eugene McNulty and Isabel Agnes Hanna married Cecil Crew and both families lived in Rhodesia. So, it would seem that my great grandmother had quite a few relations to visit while out there!
Trish
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Zara then married Samuel Reid Campbell, a doctor; they met and married in South Africa but I'm not sure why they were there.
Meant to say I know Zara travelled to South Africa several times with her mother Jeanette (presumably to visit her Aunt Sophia McIlwaine, though Jeannette also had a brother named George Boyle Hanna who was with the Indian Medial Corps). Jeanette lists her address as being the Presbyterian 'huts' at Ballykinler in one of the passenger lists. I'm assuming it may have some kind of connection to the Hanna family being so prominent in the Presbyterian Church. Her elder brother Robert Kennedy Hanna was a Moderator of the Presbyterian Church in Ireland, following in the footsteps of his ggg-grandfather Samuel Hanna who was the first Moderator of the Reformed church. Do you know if Zara met Samuel at home or away?
Hello! I just stumbled across this site whilst carrying out some family history research and George Boyle Hanna is my great grand father so it's very exciting to find some relatives here! Robert Kennedy Hanna is my great great uncle and my great uncle was named after him. My grand mother, Eileen Moore, née Hanna, his sister, was very fond of him and my Dad has some photos I could send / upload if anyone is interested.
I'm quite new to genealogy so any help / advice would be much appreciated. Oh and please feel free to access my family tree info in case it might help any of you fill in any gaps you might have :) I'd love to connect with you all on Ancestry.co.uk and I've just done the DNA test (currently awaiting my results) so that might help us trace our ancestors back even further! Robert Hanna b. 1742 d. 1810 and his wife Jane Macrory b. 1751 d. 1810 is as far as I've been able to go with the Hannas so if anyone has gone back any further than that I'd love to hear from you.
Kind regards,
Laura
Hi Laura, it's lovely to *meet* you!
I have been working on the Kellswater Hanna's family tree for many years now and am more than happy to share what I've learned. Think I may have tripped across your tree already but just in case I haven't, we should be able to PM on here inside a couple more messages (if my memory serves me correctly ;) ) Am excited to learn about your branch!
Trish
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I'm not sure how I stumbled on this but this is my family! My father was Samuel Reid Campbell Ritchie and Bridget is my aunt. My children and I would love to learn more about my father's side of the family. I see that the previous posts date back a few years but hopefully you can still be reached.
Alison
Hi Alison!
And yes, I am still knocking around and am VERY happy to share what I've learned. I think you have to post 3 messages on here before I can send you a private message (maybe one of the moderators can confirm that) but once we can I'll get back to you as soon as I can :)
Trish
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I'm a bit late to the party here, but I believe that the Samuel Reid Campbell being discussed is my grandfather's brother. Samuel Reid was the fourth son of Samuel Reid Campbell Senior and his wife Mary (nee Chambers). My grandfather was William Campbell, their sixth son. I'm working on finding out about the rest! William received the DSC in 1918 for his service in the RNR then retired and worked in the Civil Service. William married Margaret Heron and had four sons - William Heron Campbell, Samuel Reid Campbell, John Heron Campbell and Robert Chambers Campbell. My father is John who is still alive at 95. I'm currently working my way back through the Campbell line so any help I can give on that end of things I'll post on here. :)
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hi there, also just stumbled across this site.
I'm interested in any further info on Sir Robert McIlwaine - as per Peter Morrows post below?
My father, John Peter MacIlwaine, born in Cookstown, N Ireland was the last generation born in Ireland and I was born in England, as were my daughters.
I have ended up living in South Africa for the past 23yrs and visited Zimbabwe, nee Rhodesia, several times on business but yet to make contact with the remains of the McIlwain family living in and around Harare and Troutbeck - but would love to.
can anyone help me join the dots pls?
thanks
Kim
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Hello, Sir Robert's father, Henry McIlwaine (1833-97) was a brother of my great great grandmother, Mary Ann (1831-1908). I have been researching the McIlwaine family for over thirty years, and would really appreciate any information on the descendants of Sir Robert and his wife.
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By chance I have just come across this site. I am a grandson of Sir Robert McIlwaine of Rhodesia and if anyone is interested I have quite a bit of information about him and his family plus I have some family photographs. Regards. Peter
Hello Peter, you are my mothers cousin, Peggy Clampit (nee Mcilwaine) and she was delighted to see you on this chat as she really wants to get in touch, as does my aunt Geraldine. They've often wondered about you and where you ended up. Lovely that you have many photos of Sir Robert and Lady Sophia, the Rhodesian Archives had some very nice pictures of them both. I have a lot of newspaper cuttings from his death which my grandparents (Henry Gerard McIlwaine & Kay) kept, as well as the article posted in the Zimbabwe history books. Of course our family also has Sir Robert's knighthood medal in safe keeping too. Please reach out to me if you can so I can put you in touch with mum if you are able (it is 6 years old) thanks
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I'm looking for more information on Sophia Mary Hannah who died in England 1939. I wondered if anyone has more information on her birthplace in Kells Co Antrim, 1884 as well. She would be my great grandmother.
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I'm looking for more information on Sophia Mary Hannah who died in England 1939. I wondered if anyone has more information on her birthplace in Kells Co Antrim, 1884 as well. She would be my great grandmother.
Sophia Mary Hanna born 27th May 1883 at Kildrum, Connor. MMN Kennedy
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02739/2006926.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/antrim-lower/connor/kells/kildrum/
Sophia in 1901 census.
House 17 in Kildrum (Kells, Antrim).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Kells/Kildrum/931196/
KG
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The other family connection is via my great-grandmother's (Zara Jeanette's mother) sister Sophia Mary Hanna (born 1884 in Kells, Co. Antrim) who married Sir Robert Alfred McIlwaine (born 1871 in Larne, Co. Antrim, died 1943 in Rhodesia) who was Solictor-General among other things.
Marriage on 14th October 1902 in Connor Presbyterian Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1902/10287/5744244.pdf
Robert living at Headwood, Ballynure.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/glenarm-upper/kilwaughter/kilwaughter/headwood/
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Hi Linda and Peter
I am a probate researcher in the UK currently researching the extended McAllister Hewlings family and in particular the entitled line of Kathleen McAllister Hewlings (1899-1994). I'd be very interested to hear from you in relation to the descendants of Henry and Kathleen McIlwaine in order to complete my report for my solicitor client.
Many thanks
Sam Kimber
Probate Researcher
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I'm looking for more information on Sophia Mary Hannah who died in England 1939. I wondered if anyone has more information on her birthplace in Kells Co Antrim, 1884 as well. She would be my great grandmother.
Hi Linda,
Delighted to meet you! Sophia was my great grandmother's sister and my great grandmother and her daughter frequently visited Sophia and another sister who both emigrated within a few years of each other.
I have a lot of research on the Hanna family and would love to swap information with you if you are willing.
Trish
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Hello Peter and Linda,
According to my Great Grandfather's (Sir Percy McElwaine - Chief Justice Malacca Straits) war diary, his 2x G Grandfather was Sir Robert's G Grandfather, a John McIlwaine. I am really interested in trying to confirm the linkage so any information would be greatly appreciated. I have found the law journal and the 1939 UK register which has Sir Robert's birth date as 1 Nov 1871, which does not match with the Robert McIlwaine born to Henry and Matilda McFall (who's birth date was 15 Oct 1871). Are you able to confirm who his mother was and whether this is an administration error as I am unable to find any records of Sir Robert's birth certificate.
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Hello, I am replying to the last post by C McElwaine. I have been researching the McIlwaine family for over 35 years, and can confirm that Sir Robert's parents were definitely, Henry McIlwaine (1833-97) and Matilda McFall. Henry, was a brother of my great great grandmother, Mary Ann McIlwaine (1831-1908) who married Alexander McAllister in 1853.
I would really appreciate if you could help me in my quest to find Sir Robert McIlwaine's descendants, as so far no one has responded to my earlier post on this thread.