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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: keith77 on Thursday 17 February 11 08:58 GMT (UK)
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Hello all,
i posted a topic a few weeks ago re Clarks as i was looking for information on my Grandfather,
Peter Gibson Grant Clark born in Moffat, with the advise of another rootschater i ordered his birth certificate,....it gave me two pieces of information 1) He was illagitamte 2) his mother was a Marion Jandine Clark ( domestic servant)born 1900...i have managed to find Marion's parents John Clark who was a coachman and Maggie Gibson Clark nee (???) also a domestic servent, both lived or worked for a family called Grant.......
i was wondering if anybody could help me find Maggies maiden. but also give me any ideas on Peters Father i was thinking that Marion had a relationship with one of the Grant's she worked for and that's how he got Grant in his name?, it would be good to find out as my late uncle, myself and my son have the name Grant in are name's.
many thanks in advance
Keith
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Hi Keith
Looks like you are making lots of headway :) Just putting a link to your previous post for background www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,510727.0.html
Regarding Marion's mother, have you found her birth cert to confirm Maggie's maiden name? If you have viewed the image of Marion's birth and mother Maggies's maiden name is not clear, you can contact SP and they can send you an enhanced image which should hopefully make it clear. You could also try searching for a marriage for John and Maggie to see what the maiden surname may be. If you have Marion's birth cert, there should be a date and place of parents' marriage (there is one showing in Moffat in 1900 for a John Clark and Maggie Grant).
Sure you have this, just adding it to help anyone doing any searches - everyone born in Moffat except for John Clark:
Jannet G Grant 58, laundress
John G Grant 18 brother (?) Painter (apprentice)
Thomas I Grant 12, nephew
James D Grant 6, nephew
John Clark 26, boarder, Coachman (domestic) b. Dunscore, Dumfriesshire
Maggie Clark 26, boarder
Marion Jardine Clark 5 Months boarder
Address: Harthope Place, Moffat
Monica :)
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Possible 1891 entry for Maggie:
Robert Gibson 59, farmer b. Lanark
Robina Grant 19, niece b. Moffat
Maggie Grant 17, niece b. Moffat
John Grant 8, nephew b. Moffat
David McFarlane 33, servant Ploughman
Address: Howslack, Moffat
Maggie seems to be fairly consistent with her age and place of birth. Possible birth entry for her on IGI:
Maggie Gibson Grant b. 19 October 1873 in Moffat, parents William Grant and Margaret Gibson.
1881 entry and likely Maggie with her family - everyone showing as born in Moffat except for father:
William Grant 50, schoolmaster b. Dumfries
Margaret Grant 46
Janet Grant 19
Jane Grant 11
Roberta Grant 9
Maggie Grant 7
William Grant 4
Thomas Grant 5 Months
Address: Annan Water School House
But, a stage at a time ;D Keith, you need to work back step by step to be certain. John Clark and Maggie's marriage cert is a good place to start to work back to their individual families.
Your Peter's middle names of Gibson and Grant seems to connect well with Marion's side of the family rather than potential surnames of his father I would think....but, most often, you never know for certain with these types of births unfortunately.
Monica
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Hya Monica....
Thanks again for your help, is it Jandine or Jardine??
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Likely Jardine which is a surname - where have you got Jandine?
Monica
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Marion probably called after paternal grandmother. Possible birth for John Clark (which you should be able to confirm from parents' name on his marriage cert.):
John Clark b. 25 May 1874 in Dunscore, Dumfries. Parents Robert Clark and Marion Jardine.
Monica :)
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Hi Keith,
I think you and I may be researching the same family tree. I am Marion Jardine Clark's great-grandson. Her son, John Clark, was my grandfather, so it seems very likely that your grandfather and my grandfather were brothers.
We know that my grandfather had 2 brothers (Jim and Grant) and 2 sisters (Flora and Margaret) but we are not aware of there being a brother called Peter. Is it possible that your grandfather, although christened Peter, was known as Grant? We know that Grant Clark, my Papa's brother emigrated to Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) many years ago and that his son passed away in a bus accident whilst there. Is this your wing of the family?
Looking forward to hearing from you,
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Hi, I am a cousin of Grant Clark. His mother was my Auntie Mame (Marion). I used to get a Christmas card and a letter from Grant and June but when that stopped maybe 10 years ago I never heard what happened to them. My father was Alexander Clark - Mame"s youngest brother. I am the youngest of his six, so a huge age gap in the cousins generations.
I've come to dead end the Grant side of the family tree. Can't find anything about William Grant before he married in 1863.
Hope to hear from you,
Margaret.
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Hi Margaret,
I am also researching the Clark family tree. My father was John Clark, son of your Aunt Mame (Marion Jardine Clark). I only met Mame a couple of times and don't really know very much about her. The people we had most contact with were my father's sisters, Flora and Margaret. I knew of his brother Grant and June (Grant's wife) but sadly never met them. I am however in contact with their daughter via Facebook. I would really like to find out more about Mame and the rest of the family so it would be great to hear from you.
Ann
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Hi Ann
I grew up in Moffat and saw a lot of Auntie Mame. I often used to go round to hers to eat my packed lunch as she lived near the school. At that time I lived at the duck farm. She died in 1977 when I was about 12. I'm the youngest in our family so I didn't know the cousins since they were all adults and had left Moffat.
Its great to hear that you're in touch with Grant and Junes daughter. I presume they died in Zimbabwe?
Hope to hear from you again,
Margaret
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Hi Margaret,
Great to hear from you so soon. Sounds as though you and I are the same age - I too am the youngest of the family, I have two sisters who are 8 and 10 years older than me. I have heard the duck farm mentioned many times over the years but I don't think I ever visited, but I'm pretty sure my sisters did. Is the duck farm still there? Only time I remember visiting Mame was in the early '70's - I think she stayed in 'Victoria Place' at the time (not sure if I'm remembering the address correctly).
Grant and June both died in Zimbabwe in 2006. They returned to England briefly around 1980 but didn't settle and returned to Zimbabwe. However, their daughter still lives in the north of England.
My sisters and I would love to find out more about Mame. We don't have any photos of her and our memories of her are sketchy at best. I think I have to make another post before I am able to send you a personal message - it would be great to hear what you can tell us especially since you grew up in Moffat. We all stay in Lanarkshire so our knowledge of the Moffat area isn't great. I remember being in Moffat with my parents on the day of Mame's funeral but I wasn't actually at the funeral itself, so if you know where she is buried that would be good to know.
Looking forward to hearing from you again. I hope you're still researching the family tree - it certainly becomes addictive!
Ann
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Hi
I am looking for my great grandmother's family.( her mother is Barbara Clark) and her name is Mary Todd Jackson. Any info on clark, Todd and Jackson would be very helpful. Mary was born about 1850so no records found on Scotlands people . I have her on census docs when she is older and living in Edinburgh , also have her marriage cert which states born in paisley. I have been looking for her for years- my brick wall. Her husband was from Dalry Kirkudbrightshire and there seems to be connections with Dumfries and Castle Douglas in the past - 19th century. I have old photos taken in Castle Douglas and Dumfries , possibly about the 1880s, but no names on them. There are family resemblances but that's all I have to go on.Any possible connections would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for any help
Gloria
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Hi Gloria
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Marriage certs do not show place of birth. Do you mean Mary's census entries post marriage all showed her born in Paisley?
Can you add some details from her marriage? What address did she give as her residence, her occupation and age? From the censuses, her age varies doesn't it from 1846-51. Her parents' details, were they the same when she died on her death cert? Did parents show as alive or deceased when she married? What occupation showed for her reputed father Andrew Jackson?
From your A/try tree, you show her husband John McGill as deceased in 1889. She went on to have another daughter, Barbara in 1891 in Dumfries didn't she www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT6Z-SLB She was born just before the census in 1891 but doesn't show in the household entry.
Barbara was registered as Todd to mother Mary Todd. This would normally imply that mother's maiden name was Todd. Maybe Mary was illegitimate and reputed father's surname was Jackson /or Todd. Not that this has helped in finding her in the earlier censuses before her marriage so far.... :-\
Monica
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Gloria, I was having another go to see if I could find Mary in earlier census. I have found her in the 1871 census:
Mary Todd Jackson 22 house maid b. Glasgow St Georges, Lanark
She is working at the Rose household at 19 Windsor Street, Edinburgh St Andrews.
This entry shows Glasgow for the first time doesn't it? Have you looked at the 1911 census entry to see what that has for her?
Monica
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Hi Keith
I have been researching my family as well. The name, Peter Gibson Grant Clark, was familiar to me.
You may be searching for this same person.
Here is the information that I have developed.
Peter Gibson Grant Clark
B:17 May 1929 Moffat, Dumfries-shire, Scotland (illegitimate)
D:10 Apr 2006 Bulawayo, Matabeleland North, Zimbabwe
Mother:
Marion Jardine Clark
B:12 Oct 1900 at Harthope Place, Moffat, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
D: unknown
Father (suspected):
William David Johnstone
B:15 Mar 1898 Durisdeer, Dumfries-shire, Scotland
D:12 Jul 1953 Port Colborne, Welland, Ontario, Canada
Maternal Grandparents:
John Clark
B:17 Jan 1871 Blacksteps, Dunscore, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
D:26 Mar 1929 at 2 Rae Street, Moffat, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Margaret "Maggie" Gibson Grant
B:19 Oct 1873 Moreland, Moffat, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
D:18 Sep 1943 at 31 Ettrick Drive, Moffat, Dumfries-shire, Scotland
Paternal Great-Grandparents:
Robert Clark
B:Abt. 1844 Keir, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
D:6 May 1910 Blacksteps, Dunscore, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Marion Jardine
B:Abt. 1842 Kirkpatrick, Irongray, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
D:11 May 1894 Blacksteps, Dunscore, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Maternal Great-grandparents:
William Ronald McDonald Grant (my 2GGF)
B:15 Jun 1831 Dumfries, Dumfries-shire, Scotland
D:26 Aug 1893 at Harthope Place, Moffat, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Margaret Gibson (my 2GGM)
B:Abt. 1835 Howslack, Moffat, Dumfries-shire, Scotland
D:7 Nov 1912 at Causeway Street, Moffat, Dumfriesshire, Scotland (usual residence - Viewfield, Moffat, Dumfriesshire, Scotland)
According to the 1901 Scotland Census, John and Maggie (Margaret Gibson Grant) Clark, along with infant daughter, Marion Jardine Clark, lived with Maggie's older sister, Janet Gibson Grant (my GGM).
Also living with Janet Grant were her nephews, James Dewar Grant [B:14 Oct 1894 D:9 Mar 1922] (Maggie's 6-yr-old illegitimate son), Thomas Inglis Grant [B:31 Jan 1889 D:17 Jan 1909] and Janet's son, Thomas Gibson Grant [B:15 Oct 1881 D:23 Oct 1972] (my paternal GF).
I hope this is helpful to you.
Alan