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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Roscommon => Topic started by: greygru on Thursday 17 February 11 11:56 GMT (UK)
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I am researching my family and Know that my maternal Gt Grandfather Thomas Moran came to the UK about 1870. I know he originated from Roscommon. I believe I have found a record of his birth in The RC Kilbride parish - father Patritii Moran mother Catharinae Tully.
I intend visiting Ireland this year any help that can be provided would be thankfully received.
For example the location of the church, church yard or anyone with similar ancestors.
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Hi Greygru,
Kilbride Parish is north of Roscommon Town. There isnt a town or village there, its just a church. I have a Thomas Moran born circa 1820, and living in Ballynameen, Co. Roscommon. Did you get any further with your research?
Tu
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Hi Tu Thanks for the info regarding Kilbride. The Thomas Moran I was searching was born about 1841. He came to England sometime in the 1870's. First record I have found is on the 1881 census he married Martha? at walsall in the West Midlands. Their daughter Winifred married my Grandfather Benjamin Warwick in 1906. Unfortunately she died in 1911 after the birth of their second child.
Greygru
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Any idea who his father Patrick Moran was...where he lived....worked....or anything?
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Sorry have'nt any further info. Picked up record of possible father and mother Patrick (Patritii )and Catherinae(tully) his wife on the IGI records.
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Hello Greygru,
I can't yet see a marriage for your Thomas to Martha? which would then give you his father's name.
There is a strong possibility of him being in 1871 RG10; Piece: 2963; Folio: 67; Page: 21
Thomas Moran 28 yrs Tailor b Ireland
He is a visitor with a Moran family in Walsall but listed as 'niece'. It does say visitor though.
regards
heywood
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Maybe you have this already, but....Your great grandfather Thomas Moran was christened on 26th December 1842. He had a sister Bridget christened on 5th March 1844. There is also a death of a Patrick Moran on 18th July 1922 in Lewis, West Virginia - his parents are listed as Michael Moran and Katherine Tully....could be another brother....
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Your Morans in Kilbride are about 6km from my Morans in BonnyBeg. There were Tailors in my Morans too. No connection though at the moment !
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Thanks Heywood and Tu2Tu. Information is helpful.
I do know that there were a number of Morans living in Walsall in the late 19th century so it is possible that Thomas originally stayed with relatives. My mother Dora Winfred Warwick lived with her Grandmother Martha Moran for a short tme after the death of her mother Winifred. Martha I beleive came from Bilston, but I have not been able to locate a marriage in that area.
As you comment Tu2Tu the family were tailors and I beleive it is through that job Winifred met my Grandfather who originally as a young man worked in a gents outfitters.
Thanks
Greygru
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Hello again,
do you have any of the children's birth certificates to give Martha's maiden name?
I have looked for Moran variations marrying a Martha but nothing is showing. However, there may be mistranscriptions or similar and you may be able to trace a marriage through Martha's name.
heywood
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Hi Heywood - no I dont have any birth certs at the moment but will get a copy of Winifred's.
Greygru
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Hi Heywood at last I have the birth cetificate of my Grandmother Winifred Moran who was born at 4 Garden Street Walsall on the 10th August 1882. Her Mothers maiden name is Martha Bradley.
It would appear that Tailoring ran in the Moran family. His wife Martha was also a Seamstress.
Any conncetions in Ireland or elsewhere would be helpful.
Greygru
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Hello again,
Glad you got the certificate:
I still can't see a marriage for them though :-\
heywood
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Thanks Heywood. It would seem that I have reached a brickwall with the Irish connection. Still matbe something will come to light in the future.
Greygru ::)
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I hope it does.
I am just looking over the thread again and I am sure I am wrong re the 1871 sighting of Thomas. On that census, there is a Thomas M - visitor and a Catherine 'Gannow' visitor. There is a marriage for Thomas Moran and Kate Gannon in 1875 and they are in subsequent censuses. Apologies. :'(
In 1881, he is from Roscommon so it does give some indication of the difficult task you have.
That is, if he is the right one here also. ::)
There is a possible marriage in 1874 for a Thomas Mourn and Betsy Bradley - Dudley registration district. Maybe worth following. I can't find the other couple to check who married who.
There could be some significance in that they called their first daughter Elizabeth. However, Bradley is also quite a common name - my own grandmother was Bradley from Dudley area.
I am not at all sure but thought I would show you.
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Thanks for trying Heywood but as Martha was a bilston girl I would imagine the wedding would have come under Wolverhampton that is unless they married in Walsall.
Thanks anyway
Greygru
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That's what I thought but that is the only clue I could see :-\
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Re info. from Tu2Tu, dated 31/3/11, in fact it is Ballinameen, this Moran family have families living in England & Ireland, they are my 2nd cousins, although that generation of today are in their 80's, my Dad's Aunt married into the Moran Family, her son was Dad's 1st cousin, although there must have been appx. 25/30 yrs between them . I was in Ireland last week , passed the old house in Ballinameen, and it is still occupied. Kilbride of course is within 5/6 miles from Ballinameen, Boyle.
Might be of some use to you.
Una
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Hi Una,
Thanks for your post and welcome to rootschat. There were similarities or links between 'greygru's Morans and my Morans, as in proximity and occupation. My Morans lived initially in Ballinameen, and the children went to America as Tailors.
My interest in the Moran family is through a Mariae Moran (my g.g.grandmother) who married a Thomas Hart circa 1833. Their first child Margaret Hart, was born in 1834 in Ballinameen. They went on to have 6 more children. I have no marriage record for Mariae & Thomas. I dont know if they were natives of Ballinameen, or if they were living there through work...as Thomas Hart was a servant. Family lore states that Mariae was 'Moore from Galway' but Iv since discovered that she was MORAN. I have no idea what either of their parents names were as I'm at the bottom of the barrel as far as records are concerned - its well before 1864. Margaret refers to 'the Moran girls' living in Boston, in a letter to her father from America dated 1867.....but I dont know who they are either. The letters have given me clues to piece this family together, as BMD records have insufficient information at that time. If any of this sounds familiar to your cousins, Id be delighted to hear from them.
Many thanks
Tu
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My Dad was a great historian, sadly he died in 1999, He certainly would know a lot more than me, however I seem to remember that the Hart's are connected to us, my sister or brother may know more, I will speak to them in the next few days and let you know. Think they now live in a pIace called Tulsk.
As a child we went to the National school in Ballinameen and walked the 3 miles , from the age of 6 to 14, so I know the area pretty well. In fact there is only 1 other family of Moran's in that region, I doubt if they are connected, otherwise Dad would have told us, as we all attended the same school.
I also have , somewhere , got photo's of the Moran sisters from Ballinameen,( my 2nd cousins )in time I will send you them.
Have you had a dna done, my older brother has had his done before Xmas, and it confirms we have relatives in Australia, It is a very useful tool, maybe not so much now, but in the future.
I will be in touch once I enquire on the Harts.
Bye for now.
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Many thanks Una looking forward to it :)
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I live two miles from Ballinameen village and the new national school opened in 1972 the old national school was a bit closer to the village. At one time there was five Moran families living around Ballinameen. But if any of you want me to research Moran's just ask.
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Thanks P that would be great. Could u get access to any old school registers and see what years they recorded?
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Which school and what years