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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: Keith Sherwood on Monday 18 April 05 22:04 BST (UK)
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Hi, Everyone,
I have recently come across the AMPHLETT name used as a forename in an ancestor I am chasing up, William Amphlett Dyson, who was in the Manchester area of Lancashire in the late 18th/ early 19thC. When searching through the freebmd site I notice that this name occurs almost exclusively in Worcestershire.
Is anyone researching this surname, or has come across it in their own trees; or might someone know of an Amphlett individual who might have migrated pre late 18thC. to the North-West of England.
A bit of a shot in the dark, I realise...
Keith
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Just a rider to yesterday's posting, but on familysearch.org I discovered baptisms for both a William Dyson and a William Amphlett in Bromsgrove in the 18th century, so perhaps there is some kind of link there...
Keith
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Very wide shot - there were Amphletts in Malvern Link in 1960's, this maybe an area to look at.
Mike
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Thanks for taking the trouble to respond, Mike. Every little bit of information is really welcome! I'm going to keep my eyes peeled in this area of England now...
Very best wishes,
Keith
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Hi Keith,
There were also Amphlett's in Gloucestershire in 1960/70's, migration from Worcestershire perhaps.
Regards
Susan
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33 Amphletts in the 1901 census in lancashire
19 in 1891
26 in 1881
20 in 1871
8 amphletts as forenames in civil registration list
all info taken from ancestry
Sue
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Thanks very much Susan and Sue,
All very interesting, particularly the bit about 8 Amphlett forenames. How did you get hold of this...?
Keith
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From website of Gloucestershire Orchard Group
(Conserves, promotes and celebrates traditional orchards in Gloucestershire)
Judge Amphlett Named after a famous Worcestershire assize courts judge, this is a heavy cropping, early harvesting variety (of pear).
Now you've got some research to do!!
Arranroots ;)
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Thanks very much Susan and Sue,
All very interesting, particularly the bit about 8 Amphlett forenames. How did you get hold of this...?
Keith
I put 'Amphlett' in as a forname in the ancestry.co.uk search engine - came up with the 8 matches for Lancashire
Sue
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Thanks again, Sue,
I've never thought of trying that - I'll have a go myself now and see who those 8 individuals are...
And Arranroots, It's the first time that I've realised that Family Trees might involve pears - unless of course we're talking Family History Conferences...
Keith
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I have a Mary Amphlett who was christened in 1766 in roseley, Shropshire not Worcestershire. She married Edward Brown/e in Shropshire.
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Jade,
Thanks so much for responding to my query - this is the first reply on this thread for over 4 months, and I was wondering whether it was all dying a death. Your Mary Amphlett would have been born at the right time to fit in with the Dyson family - I don't suppose she married again after tying the knot with Mr Brown/e?
I see on another posting that your are researching the AMPHLETT surname - do they ever stray into Lancashire?
William AMPHLETT Dyson was apparently born at Ashton-Under-Lyne in 1795, though the only possible baptism I have found for him so far is for the same year at Manchester Cathedral.
And welcome to Rootschat, by the way!
Very best wishes,
Keith
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I just happened upon this by mistake.
I am trying to find an Amelia Amphlett born (c)1882 without much success I might add.
Apparently she married quite late in Gloucestershire but can find no trace.
Not much to go on but I just spotted the name
MJB
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Hi MJB
How sure are you that her first name is Amelia? This was often shortened to Milly and there is a Mildred AMPHLETT that would fit in Gloucester in 1901. Ref RG13/2430 197 30.
She is one of several sisters - let me know if you would like the details.
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Since making the first post a few hours ago I have searched Mary Amphlett's family back to the 1670's. None of my Amphlett ancesters strayed out of Broseley, but as for their dscendents I dont know. I am going to search more on this tomorrow, to see if I can make some connection.
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Thanks for taking the time and trouble over this, Jade...
Keith
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Hi Keith,
Although I have no AMPHLETTs, there was a Rev. Joseph AMPHLETT in Kings Norton recorded on the1838 Tithe map. Described as a "croft" the property was owned by the Bishop of Rochester as part of the vicarial glebe!
I have a Benjamin HANDS also under his lordship, but on the other side of the road. This all comes about, I think, because the Bishop of Rochester, was Dean of Worcester and Vicar of St. John's, Bromsgrove. (A nice little earner if you can get it. Hence half starved curates!)
Regards
Mike
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Hi, Mike,
This really is quite a amazing, as James Greaves DYSON, a grandson of William Amphlett DYSON, was married at King's Norton in 1871. I suppose this has to be some kind of coincidence, no more, but it is remarkable nonetheless.
Thank you so much for bringing the Reverend Joseph AMPHLETT to my notice...
Very best wishes,
Keith
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Keith,
May not be a coincidence. There are both DYSONs and AMPHLETTs, well at least one of each, buried at St. Nicholas according to an online index. Using a different index, http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~wythallindex/ there are a couple of DYSONs listed. Time frame might suggest an association.
Note 1: I have known ex-vicars have "usage" rights at the their old Church. (Gets another member of the family on the certificate!)
Note 2: Any birth or death certificate from then, in Kings Norton, are likely to have a relly of mine, Josiah HANDS sign them as registrar.
I would dig a little deeper on this one.
Mike
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Mike,
This is all getting quite interesting - never quite understood why James Greaves Dyson came down to the Birmingham area by the 1861 Census from Lancashire as a corn dealer. Maybe it was because there was some kind of family connection...
Being rather ignorant of the area, can you tell me where exactly St. Mary's Wythall is; and also the St. Thomas's that you refer to...?
Very best wishes,
Keith
p.s. would a marriage certificate of 1871 in King's Norton have your relative, Josiah HANDS on...!
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Keith
St. Mary can be found at http://www.findachurch.co.uk/churches/sp/sp07/stmary/
A general map of the area is at http://uk8.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?GridE=-1.92840&GridN=52.40700&client=public&lon=-1.92840&lat=52.40700&place=King%27s+Norton,West+Midlands&db=freegaz&local=&type=&start=&limit=&overviewmap=&scale=100000&search_result=King%27s%20Norton%2CWest%20Midlands&lang=&db=freegaz
If this doesn't display correctly send me a personal message.
Not St. Thomas, but St. Nicolas, Kins Norton can be seen at http://parishmouse.com/component/option,com_zoom/Itemid,39/catid,1/PageNo,2/
More info at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/programmes/restoration/profiles/?13
http://www.virtualbrum.co.uk/kingsnorton.htm
As for Josiah - no not a marriage - that was the vicar's job.
You could also check out our new and growing website, which includes Kings Norton, http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/
Mike
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Mike - you've been extremely busy!
As I have reached the proverbial brick wall with William DYSON, b. 1795, I shall have a really good look at all those links you've so kindly provided.
Thanks very much...
Keith
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Hi again, Everyone,
I have recently uncovered a Mary AMPHLETT marrying a James DYSON in Saddleworth, West Riding,( but now comes under Oldham) in 1791. I have also come across a rather vague Pedigree file on familysearch.org which gives details of a Mary AMPHLETT and four siblings, plus a tree that goes back another 3 or 4 generations.
The reason I describe it as vague, is that there is no location given whatsoever, nor any precise dates. So, if anyone recognises any of this family - or is indeed researching them - and I presume Worcestershire is the best place to ask, could you reply on this thread.
There is: Mary AMPHLETT born abt. 1765 England
Elizabeth AMPHLETT born abt. 1767 England
Christian AMPHLETT born abt. 1769 England
Margaret AMPHLETT born abt. 1771 England
John AMPHLETT born 1763 England
This last-named John AMPHLETT has a death date of 1844 England, and when I looked up John AMPHLETT for the whole of England in 1844 on freebmd, only one individual came up with this name, registered in Bromsgrove.
Parents of this generation of 5 children are given as John AMPHLETT, no birthdate known, but died 22-06-1777; mother Mary HOPWOOD, born abt. 1741.
Anybody know a bit more about this particular family...?
Very best wishes,
Keith
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John Amphlett was a considerable historian and writer, wrtitng for the Worcestershire Historical Society and writing a History of the village of Clent in 1890 where he lived.
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EBN,
Do you know the titles of any of the books that he may have written, or where and how I could find out more about this man...? Thanks very much for this.
Keith
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History of Clent
Edited a number of Worcesershire Historical Society Journals. eg Habingtons Survey of Worcestershire, Churchwardens Accounts
Botany of Worcestersaire
he indexed Nash's History of Worcestershire [a massive 2 volumes set of books].
Try Worcestershire Historical Society to see if they have a biography of him
Prof. Malcolm Wanklyn
7 Saxoncourt
Tettenhall
Wolverhampton
WV6 8SA
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In Bromsgrove there are several, one a farmer from Grimley stopping with someone, and this family in High Street:
AMPHLET Joseph 40 Grocer
Elizabeth wife 25
Joseph son 7
Josiah son 5
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sorry that was on the 1851 cenus return :-[
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EBN,
Thanks very much for all this. I need to discover as much as I can about this AMPHLETT family in Worcs before I can decide whether any of that family might have migrated up to North-West England. It really is needle in a haystack time with these two Mary Amphlett individuals, one marrying in Saddleworth in 1791, and another marrying in Ashton-U-Lyne in 1792. I am convinced one of them is the reason that William Amphlett DYSON was baptised (where? when? circa 1794/5) with that unusual middle name...
Keith
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Hi,
My G-Grandmother was friends of a Lady Amphlett who lived at Amphlett House in Bromsgrove. Amphlett House is still standing and is at the back of St. John's Nursing Home.
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Hi, Mahanrahan,
Now that's very interesting indeed, certainly gives the idea that Bromsgrove was the main centre of the name AMPHLETT, and still puzzling me how the name became so thinly spread in Yorks and Lancs later on. A friend of mine is at this moment trawling through the Saddleworth parish records to try and discover other AMPHLETT individuals apart from Mary AMPHLETT...
Very best wishes,
Keith
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There was an Amphlett fighting at the Battle of Worcester in the English Civil War.
Don't know which side he was on :-[
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Fascinating, EBN,
And more grist to the mill. Presumably he survived, or had more brothers who carried on the AMPHLETT name in Worcestershire!
Keith
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Possibly worth writing to the Worcestershire Historical Society to see what they have on the family, especially as John Amphlett was such a great contributor to their transactions.
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Being an Amphlett myself I always been interested in the names roots, but never found the time to research our family tree.
My father has done lots of work on it but hit something of a brick wall - which will only be scaled with extensive leg work through the parish records. I guess this is the bit that sorts the men from the boys! Anyway, my father has moved abroad now which makes it that much harder to wonder around the West Midlands researching Amphletts.
Being a father myself now (doing my bit to continue the name) has me interested in the family tree and I'm tempted to take up the baton from my father. However, my approach is a little different...
I've owned www.amphlett.net for quite some time, and realised it could be the ideal place to pull together the details of the records that all the Amphlett family researches are coming across. There must be so much duplicated effort going on that it makes me dizzy.
I've created a free forum on www.amphlett.net for now, but I'm really interested in creating some sort of database of records that people can use as a research tool.
I'm very aware that sharing trees is different to sharing research. My father always stresses that some people are happy to make assumptions about family links that he isn't. To be content that a link is real his 'threshold' of proof is (he believes) higher than some others. So he's always very careful not to take other peoples trees at face value. A fair point I guess. This is what set me thinking about sharing research rather than trees. If we share the fundamental evidence that we uncover, then we're each in a position to draw our own conclusions.
As a software developer by trade I'll certainly be able to build whatever would be needed. However as I've very little experience in researching family trees I'm not sure what information we will need to store, and how best to present it.
So - please check out
http://www.amphlett.net/genealogy.aspx
cross post any enquiries there on the basis that there's a good chance living Amphlett's will come across it and may be able to respond. But most of all give me your comments about what you think the ideal Genealogy Research Database would look like, and I'll have a go at putting one together.
regards,
Dave Amphlett
Note - portions of this post appear on that forum to get the conversation going.
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Dave,
This all looks brilliant and most promising! I've just spotted your post come up, but it's past midnight where I am, and I'm just about heading to bed. But I'll certainly have a good look through your well-organised sites and links; when I've got a fresh brain in the morning. And will come back with comments and questions, no doubt...
Very many thanks,
keith
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I'm a worcestershire Amphlett!! Ancestors from Powick
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I had googled Amphlett Williams and got this site - just curious.
My Gt.Gt.Gt. grandfather William Amphlett Williams b.1815 somewhere in England - I really dont know.
Next I know he was in Madras and was married to Sarah Dyer (b.1822 in india) in 1840.
Anyone with connection or knows of the family - please let me know.
Thanks and regards,
Caroline :)
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Did you sort your Amphlett querey, if not they are part of my Family Tree and yes they are mainly based around Gloucester & Worcs
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Did you sort your Amphlett querey, if not they are part of my Family Tree and yes they are mainly based around Gloucester & Worcs
Hi Paul,
Thank you for your reply, but yes I am still in limbo about my William Amphlett Williams/Sarah Dyer.
I would be delighted if you could let me know any details and how they fit in your Family Tree.
Regards,
Caroline
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Keith...for your research
www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
29 records for Amphlett/Amphlet
1,064 babtism records on Record Pilot for Amphlett in Worcestershire
allan
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Since making the first post a few hours ago I have searched Mary Amphlett's family back to the 1670's. None of my Amphlett ancesters strayed out of Broseley, but as for their dscendents I dont know. I am going to search more on this tomorrow, to see if I can make some connection.
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"looking for the Amphlett's of Broseley. my mother's family are from there "