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Census Lookups General Lookups => Census and Resource Discussion => Census Lookup and Resource Requests => Topic started by: Lesanne on Monday 18 April 05 22:42 BST (UK)
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:D Hi there, Trying a different route!!
Frederick William Cox was born 1870/1 C'well Surrey.
census 1901. Aged 30. Living in Maidenhead.
Where was he in the 1891 census. and others if possible.
Lesanne. :)
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He is certainly there in the 1881 living in Wandsworth. Presume you have this info already though
Al
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I preferred this one for 1881 census ?? There is no perfect match - age and place of birth.
(Al I think yours was born 1881, therefore too young?)
RG11/0569 20a 109
George COX H Wid 48 - Railway porter - b Surrey, Newington
George William COX son Un 21 - Laborer Hop Porter - St Saviour
Joseph Henry COX son Un 19 - railway porter - Bermondsey
Louise Jane COX dau 14 - b ditto
Sarah Rebecca COX dau 12 - scholar - b ditto
Frederick William COX son 10 - scholar - b ditto
Address: Charlotte St., Bermondsey
Have you a marriage cert to get Fred's father's name? There are others to choose from!
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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:D Wow thanks for this info.
I have got Frederick William's...son Frederick William (as well!) marriage cert:
Logged in while at work, will check this out after. ::) Lesanne.
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:D Hi, I'm back home.
On census 1901. Frederick William 2nd is 7 yrs old lives in Maidenhead.
F W 2nd. married on 22/11/1919. aged 26 yrs.
Also on mar cert: Father.~ Frederick William, I shall call him ~FW 1st. FW 1st did not sign as witness, his wife Margaret, FW 2nd's mum did.
Nowhere does it say father deceased either.
Residence at time of marriage and death of FW2nd (1942)is:-
Cordwallis Street, Maidenhead. Berks.
Although on m.cert FW1st has William as second name. ???On 1901 census FW1st is
plain Frederick with no second name. 30yrs old born in C'well Surrey.
So if anyone can lookup 1891 census for Frederick W 1st. He should be around 20yrs old. Did his parents start in Maidenhead as well.? Perhaps I need to lookup 1871.
Thanks for any help.
;D Arrrgh! :D Lesanne. ;D
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You say you have the marriage cert for Frederick 1st? What is his father's name? What is Margaret's maiden name and that of her father?
Where did the marriage take place? This will help to narrow down the possibilities, otherwise we are searching blind and can only present possibilities.
The 1881 options, for example, might be ruled out if we know already that his father's name is not George???
Post everything you know...
Arranroots ;)
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:-\ It's FW2nd Marriage cert:
:-*
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Sorry, I was confused by the "as well" bit!
Just had a look at 1891 - no Fred W in Camberwell, only 2 in Surrey. Not sure how I would go about proving which is yours??
Will try Berkshire...
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:D You don't know how good it is to feel someone else's input.
Thank you so much.... Lesanne. ;D
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Treat with caution!!
This is a possibility. didn't surface at first 'cos the name is Fredrick!!
RG12/486 4a 14 19
William COX H M 56 - upholster - b Kent Muxon
Matilda COX W M 56 - b Stratford on Avon
Fredrick COX son S 18 - General labourer- b London, Camberwell
Emma COX dau S 21 - Assistant India rubber man (?) - b ditto
Adelaid COX dau S 16 - scholar - b ditto
Bridget Murray boarder S 18 - charwoman - b Ireland Not known
Address: 3 Longcroft Road, Camberwell
When you find a birth (FW 2nd) or marriage (FW 1st) cert, you will be able to confirm or reject this.
Arranroots
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In reply to Arranroots my lookup in Wandsworth was aged 12 in the 1881 therefore he was born circa 1869 in Clerkenwell which is what I though Lesaane meant rather than Camberwell and I think mine was right in the first place. If so he would be about 22 on the 1891.
Al
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There are many possibilities Al!
The 1901 census, now that I have seen it says C'WELL.
Now I have to wonder whether I have jumped to the wrong conclusion?
Is Clerkenwell Surrey or Middx - I honestly don't know ??? ???
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Hi Arranroot, Clerkenwell is given as Middlesex but county borders change over the years and we cannot always believe what we read in the !800s, most couldn't read or write let alone know what counties they lived in!
Al
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:D Rightio,
In 1901, FW 1st is 30, He should have been around in 1871,just, FW 1st that is.
Maidenhead/ Surrey C'well. are to the fore.
Would the occupation of Cabman for BOTH fathers
on marr cert: for FW 2nd in 1919 help!
:-* :-* Lesanne.
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OK try these (usual cautions apply!!)
RG10/ 705 32 94 60
Henry W COX H M 30 - ivory turner - b Middx St Pancras
Harriet E COX W M 25 - b Depford (sic)
Matilda E COX dau 4 - scholar - b Surrey Lambeth
Fredrick W COX son 2 - b Middx Clerkenwell
Alexander R COX son 3 months - b ditto
Address: 49 Broughton St, Wandsworth
Who knows, it may even be him LOL!!
p.s. thought you would have commented on the India rubber man's assistant !!!
Arranroots ;)
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:'( This would mean FW2nd born when father is 5 yrs old. :'(
Now don't swear. :-X
Lesanne.
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This is 1871
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Yes Arranroot, (presume yours are the 1871 details), that is the same family that I found originally in 1881 the details then being as follows
!6, Malva Road, Wandsworth, Surrey,
Henry William Cox-40-Ivory Turner and Carver-born St Pancras
Harriett-35-born St Pauls, Deptford, Kent.
Frederick William-12-Scholar-born Clerkenwell
Alexander Richard-10-Scholar-born Clerkenwell
Henry Albert-7-Scholar-born Battersea
Arthur Edgar-5-Scholar-born battersea
Jeaneat Anne-2-born Chelsea
Sidney Herbert-9mths-born Wandsworth
regards, Al
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;) Oh, sorry OK, looks good, but it's not surrey C'well as on 1901. :-*
or shouldn't I bother with that??
Just found a family in Maidenhead, with a Frederick J. 1881 census. 3 yrs old.
Is 16 to young to be a father in 1893. ???
;D Arrgh! again. ;D Lesanne. ;D
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Ok at least we can follow this family - even if it turns out to be the wrong one! ;D
Have just read your other thread Lesanne and think you are right to pursue Fred W 1st's wedding cert.
Must love you and leave you - enough for one day!!
Arranroots ;)
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Lesanne,
Is 16 too young to be a father in 2005?????
Al
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:D :D Rightio,
If we change surrey to Middx.
1871 cen from 1yr to 12 yrs old.
and my J to W.
Cracked it? what do you think of that? 8)
Lesanne.
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Goodnight Lesanne,
Al
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;D Yep, see yers anotherday. Thanks for this great debate..... Nite Al. Lesanne.
Lag on this site is so slow tonite...
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;D Don't suppose we could put "Lieut Col ret" in the pot somewhere could we !!
Lesanne... :-*
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Lesanne, Won't have much time over the weekend until Monday. Suggest you have a look on the 1881 yourself in the meantime using any information you have, and see what you come up with
Regrads, Al
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:D Hi, Yep thanks for your reply, have a good weekend. ;)
Lesanne.
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;) How ya all doing.. Well I'm no futher since last April.. Been a long weekend ;D
I now have Frederick William (the 2nd's) birth cert, after the numbers were missing on the GRO index.
I am still trying to find Frederick (the 1st's) marriage, so I can get the GRO index to obtain the marriage certificate. The date should be 1891-1901.
Son, Frederick William 2nd - born 9th November 1893,
Birthplace- North Town, Maidenhead, Cookham.
Father-Frederick Cox, Mother- Margaret Cox, formerly HOWE.
Thanks again for your trouble. :-[ Lesanne.
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Hi Lesanne
freebmd do not appear to have a marriage transcribed for this couple, so I am afraid you will have to look on the pay-per-view sites for the marriage. Once you have it though, you will be away!
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi Arranroots,
Thank you for your time again. Tell me, do FreeBMD, Ancestry,LDS, etc all have the same material. As I have been wading through this past 6 months, trying to find the birth number, I notice bits and pieces are missing.
Lesanne. ???
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p.s. thought you would have commented on the India rubber man's assistant !!!
You've been looking at too many Santas Mum!! :P :P :P :P :P
IGNORE THIS - I MISSED A PAGE!!!!!
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Hi Annie,
What is that fun post thread is doing to you....
:D We have just got back from the vet's.... Birth imminent.. Our Pippy is about to have her babies.. ::)
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:D Hello All, :D
I now have the birth certificate of Frederick Cox,
born 1869 29 December. Ewell. Reg. 1870 Feb 1st.
:-\ Please tell me how can I be sure, he is the father of Frederick William Cox.
born 1893 North Town, Maidenhead.
:-[ Would someone be kind enough to check the 1881 in Cookham
(North Town, Maidenhead) for Frederick COCKS b1869/70. ???
A really big thank you for any other thoughts for this. Lesanne. :)
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You can check it yourself free at:
http://www.familysearch.org
Frederick is there, born 1869, one of 7 children but not born Ewell.
There is another Frederick shown as born Epsom in 1870 - in Abingdon.
Take your pick!
Nell
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:-\ Awww...Nell, that's the trouble. I don't know which one to pick. :D
I have several birth certs. I tried for death certs, hoping for a clue, but they sent me a refund of money on that idea. :-[
I just don't know which way to go for the marriage. ::) The more I look at it. You told me once about the wood for the tree's... I reckon they are growing a giant Redwood forest round Maidenhead. ;D
Thanks though Nell for your time. If you can think of another idea or how I can get the marriage ref. I would really appreciate it.
Lesanne. ;)
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Difficult - at least you have a choice.
Presumably you've looked at the names the next generation used? Similar to one family but not the other? Occupations - or are they both similar? How far afield do each of these families wander? Is there a will - even apparently humble people left them. Any property records? Any chance of a death notice in the paper?
Only thoughts. I have two lost marriages in the "too hard to solve at present" category - they've been there for over 10 years despite several attempts at it. Never mind - other fish in the sea, waiting to be caught!
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Nell
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:) Thanks Nell. I'm just trawling the a2a site for anything remote. :-\
The Cocks family are in North Town 1881,
then the other Cox family have Frederick William in 1893 in North Town.
Both having a Frederick in 1869/70.
ooooooooo.. Which one did Margaret Howe marry? ::)
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:-\ :-[ Even both fathers are William. ???
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Treat with caution!!
This is a possibility. didn't surface at first 'cos the name is Fredrick!!
RG12/486 4a 14 19
William COX H M 56 - upholster - b Kent Muxon
Matilda COX W M 56 - b Stratford on Avon
Fredrick COX son S 18 - General labourer- b London, Camberwell
Emma COX dau S 21 - Assistant India rubber man (?) - b ditto
Adelaid COX dau S 16 - scholar - b ditto
Bridget Murray boarder S 18 - charwoman - b Ireland Not known
Address: 3 Longcroft Road, Camberwell
When you find a birth (FW 2nd) or marriage (FW 1st) cert, you will be able to confirm or reject this.
Arranroots
Back to square one... today is 9 Nov 2013 ... 8yrs and still searching