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looking for the parents and grandparents of george mclean.he lived with the tuttys,on a farm at templerainey arklow.also i think florrie cotton was his aunt.
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looking for the parents and grandparents of george mclean.he lived with the tuttys,on a farm at templerainey arklow.also i think florrie cotton was his aunt.
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Do you have even approximate years of birth and/or marriage for George ?
A marriage cert is usually the best place to start you search, as that will give you his father's name and occupation and help confirm and births you find.
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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george mclean was born approx 6-1-1921,married approx 1956/7,i think in arklow,trying to find out more,thanks for help shane 147
Moderator Note : pm sent re dates - George decd 2007
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There's a possible marriage for George in 1956 :
Name: George McLean
Registration district: Rathdrum
Event type: Marriage
Quarter and year: Oct-Dec 1956
Volume : 2 / Page : 327
The registration district is correct for Arklow.
see the following topics for details on marriage certs :
Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
Shane
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McLean is not a very common surname in Co. Wicklow so not that many registrations. Here's a few possible links that might be worth following up once you confirm George's father's name.
Possible birth for George :
Name: George McLean
Registration district: Rathdrum
Event type: Birth
Quarter and year: Jan-Mar 1922
Volume : 2 / Page : 684
There's also a marriage for another George McLean the year before Georges birth - possibly his father ?
Name: George Alexander McLean
Registration district: Rathdrum
Event type: Marriage
Quarter and year: Oct-Dec 1921
Volume : 2 / Page : 807
Also a possible death for the same person :
Name: George Alexander McLean
Registration district: Rathdrum
Event type: Death
Quarter and year: Oct-Dec 1944
Age : 60 (est. year of birth 1884)
Volume : 2 / Page : 544
And also a possible listing for George snr on the 1911 census :
McLean / Leech household, Upr Tinahask St, Arklow (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Arklow_Urban_No__1/Tinahask_Street_Upper/895028/)
This George lists his place of birth as Dublin City ... and there' is also a possible listing for him on the 1901 census at Drumcondra North Dublin :
McLean household - 1901 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Drumcondra/Drishogue__Millmount_Ave_/1271823/)
Shane
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thanks shayne, a lot of information to check.will try and get someone to go the office in roscommon,might take awhile.once again thanks
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thanks shayne, a lot of information to check.will try and get someone to go the office in roscommon,might take awhile.once again thanks
I'm not sure you can visit the Roscommon office - it's mainly for orders of certs by post.
The research room is in Dublin (Irish Life Centre, Abbey St) - see the top of this page on their website : http://www.groireland.ie/research.htm
Shane
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i am looking for a marriage date for william cotton and sophia tutty in arklow co wicklow.it is c.o.i. i have tried to look at it from williams side,no success.i think it was before 1896 as they have a 5 yr old daughter vivian in the 1901 irish census.william states he comes from bristol england,occupation blacksmith.any help appreciated.
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Also posted on Gloucestershire board-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,515915.0/topicseen.html
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i am looking for a marriage date for william cotton and sophia tutty in arklow co wicklow.it is c.o.i. i have tried to look at it from williams side,no success.i think it was before 1896 as they have a 5 yr old daughter vivian in the 1901 irish census.william states he comes from bristol england,occupation blacksmith.any help appreciated.
on the 1911 census Sophia indicates that she has been married about 16 years, which would put the year of marriage about 1895
Sophia and all the children are Wicklow born.
Shane
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There's only a small number of William Cotton marriages on the BMD Index between 1893 and 1897 and just one in Co. Wicklow :
Name: William Cotton
Registration district: Rathdrum
Event type: Marriage
Quarter and year: Jul-Sep 1895
Volume : 2 / Page : 801
The registration district of Rathdrum covers quite a large part of the county, but does include the town of Arklow. The is a cross-matching reference in the index (same registration district, year/quarter, volume and page numbers) for a Sophia Tutty. A marriage cert will show the full details.
Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
Shane
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thanks shane,very helpful,will try and get marriage cert.and work from there,what census would i find frances moorhouse nee agar birth.it would go back to approx 1851.are agars acommon name?
william tutty no 2 templerainey,kilbride co wicklow age 72, in 1901census,william tutty no 6 templerainey,kilbride, co wicklow age 77 in 1911 census.he died 20-12-1911 age 82 on his headstone.his birth is between 1829 and 1834.besides the griffiths valuation is there any other census that i could find his birth more accurately.i think he was 38when he got married circa 1873,also are they going to release the 1926 census this year? thank you all for your help tom
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1) what census would i find frances moorhouse nee agar birth.it would go back to approx 1851.
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2) are agars acommon name?
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3) william tutty......died 20-12-1911 age 82 on his headstone.his birth is between 1829 and 1834.besides the griffiths valuation is there any other census that i could find his birth more accurately.
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4) are they going to release the 1926 census this year?
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1. There are no surviving census returns before 1901
2. Eager/Agar does not seem to be a common surname. There are a few in Wicklow on Griffiths and also neighbouring counties Kilkenny and Carlow.
3. To find early details for William you would need to research parish records. To do this you would need to establish which parish he was born in. His marriage cert should include his father's name and occupation which could help you locate him on Griffith's and give you a possible location for William's baptism
4. The 1926 census is closed for 100 years, so currently not due for release until 2026.
Shane
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thank you very much for your help.have to do church records,might be awhile for above names, iwill try other family traces.will be back soon with more quests.
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just recieved amarriage cert for george mclean sophia cotton.in 1901 census she listed her husband as george cotton.they must have married in1896 or earlier,as they have a child.any help appreciated.
george alexander mclean married sophia cotton in 1921,she re married,both list their age as full?he lists his father aswilliam mclean,profession plumber.george mclean death cert says he was 60 when he died in1944,making his birth approx1884.i have found a george mclean on 1901 census,right name and age, how can i find his father?
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1) just recieved a marriage cert for george mclean sophia cotton.
2) in 1901 census she listed her husband as george cotton.they must have married in1896 or earlier,as they have a child.any help appreciated.
3) george alexander mclean married sophia cotton in 1921,she re married,both list their age as full?
he lists his father as william mclean, profession plumber.
4) george mclean death cert says he was 60 when he died in1944,making his birth approx1884.
5 ) i have found a george mclean on 1901 census,right name and age, how can i find his father?
I've separated your post into separate questions .. quite difficult to follow otherwise
are questions 1) and 2) connected ?
Can you give some details of the 1901 census details referred to .. e.g. names, ages, and townland
S.
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in 1895 william cotton married sophia tutty,he died about 1902?alive in 1901 census.arklow co wicklow
in 1921 she remarried to george alexander mclean,no age recorded,georges father listed as william mclean,george alex mcleans death cert lists his death in1944 in arklow,age 60,that puts his birth approx 1884.i am looking for georges father,william mclean.sorry about confusion,and thanks,shane,for help tom
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What's William McLean's occupation on his son George's marriage cert ?
Shane
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apparently William was a plumber.
On the 1901 census (see link (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Arklow_Urban_No__1/Tinahask_Street_Upper/895028/)) George gives his place of birth as Dublin c1885, but I'm not seeing any good matches for him at the moment on the Birth Index as George or George Alexander.
Shane
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Check this out http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/19bea80889080
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thanks,a really good find.do they have the co wicklow c.of i records on this site? is harolds crop the same as harolds cross.tom
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I would say Harolds Crop is a typo or misreading of Harold's Cross in Dublin
The Irish Genealogy wesbite only has CofI records for Co. Kerry, Co. Carlow and parts of Dublin City and county at the moment.
Shane,
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a william mclean married dorah leech,on feb 1869,he lists his occupation as plumber,he might be the father of george mclean.
on george mcleans wedding certificate william mclean lists his occupation as plumber.tom
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That certainly fits with the occuation you have for William on George's marriage, and could also fit with George being born in Dublinas per the census returns.
link to the record : Marriage of William McLean & Dorah Leech - 22 Feb 1869 (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/52bc070901055)
Parish is St. Marks, Church of Ireland
Shane
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Baptism of a possible brother to Dorah Leech :
Thomas Leech - 1 April 1849 (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/4a40c40508563)
Parish is St. Nicholas Within, Church of Ireland
Father's name is also William and has the same occupation of Shoemaker as Dorah's father on the marriage record you found.
Shane
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i cannot find a birth cert for george mclean,his marriage cert says his fathers name is william mclean and his death cert says his age was 60 so born approx 1884 the fathers occupation was plumber but have now been told that georges brother grew up to be a solicitor.any help welcome,tom
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Hi Richard this is Rebecca Jane's first marriage
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/fa295a0873222
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not sure if you got the info on this but 3rd July 1895 William Cotton married Sophia Tutty
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not sure if you got the info on this but 3rd July 1895 William Cotton married Sophia Tutty
First child-
Hilda Vivian Kathleen Cotton born 14 March 1896 at Templeraney.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02174/1823413.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/wicklow/arklow/kilbride/kilbride/templerainy/
In 1901 census with her grandparents-
House 2 in Templerainy (Kilbride, Wicklow)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Kilbride/Templerainy/1815349/
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Further children-
Violet Eva born 1899, Florence born 1901, Charles William Thomas born 1905.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-perform-search.jsp?namefm=&namel=Cotton+Tutty&location=Rathdrum&yyfrom=1899&yyto=&type=B&submit=Search
Florrie (Florence) with her mother in the 1911 census.
House 1 in Laffins Lane (Arklow Urban No. 1, Wicklow).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Arklow_Urban_No__1/Laffins_Lane/894513/
Violet and Charles Cotten with their maternal grandparents in 1911 census.
House 6 in Templerainey (Kilbride, Wicklow).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Kilbride/Templerainey/896361/
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i have tried to look at it from williams side,no success.i think it was before 1896 as they have a 5 yr old daughter vivian in the 1901 irish census.william states he comes from bristol england,occupation blacksmith.
1901 census - Vivian Cotton
House 1 in Laffins Lane (Arklow Urban, Wicklow)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Arklow_Urban/Laffins_Lane/1813482/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001313708/
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george mclean was born approx 6-1-1921..
Name: George McLean
Registration district: Rathdrum
Event type: Birth
Quarter and year: Jan-Mar 1922
Volume : 2 / Page : 684
George McLean born 6 January 1922 at Arklow. MMN Tutty
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1922/01163/1485406.pdf
Name: George Alexander McLean
Registration district: Rathdrum
Event type: Marriage
Quarter and year: Oct-Dec 1921
Volume : 2 / Page : 807
George Alexander McLean married Sophia Cotton (presumed a widow) on 21 December 1921 at St Saviour's Parish Church, Arklow.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1921/09242/5345365.pdf