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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Fermanagh => Topic started by: tempogold on Saturday 19 February 11 14:10 GMT (UK)
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Jane Mitchell was born around 1855 and married John Bussell on 15/7/1873 at the meeting house, Tempo Presbyterian Church.Witnesses are a Hugh Best and a name I can not read--perhaps a J C Leudrum? Her address was given as Clogher, Co Tyrone. Johns address as Newry co Down. His profession as Clerk. His fathers name as William ,a farmer.
Father to Jane was William Mitchell born about 1813 and died 1888.His father was Thomas from Commohy in the parish of Aughalurcher . William and his family farmed in Tattynuckle and Dooederny before moving to Whitpark house in Brookbrough(.Interestingly He had also married a Bussell )Her mother was Jane Bussell whose father was Edward Bussell who died around 1861. This Bussell farmed around 300 acres in townlands of garrowroosky,Corsenshin,Windhill
Neither Jane on John are on the 1901/11 Irish census ---Which suggests they may have left Ireland. Jane was one of 4 Mitchell sisters--Isabella(Dunlop),Sarah Anne(Graham--who also appears to have left Ireland) and Margaret(Hurst). Her brothers were Edward the MP ,Robert who drowned in 1888 (report in Fermanagh Times 31 may 1888 )and William Henry a merchant who lived in Hampstead Middlesex London.
Interested in any information.
Tempogold
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John Bussell and Jane Mitchell had a few children whose ages and birthdates might help locate them in other records- (see https://www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records)
1. Edith born 26 Apr.1874 Clones, Co.Monaghan
2. John Henry Alexander born 15 Mar.1878 Clone, Cp.Monaghan
3. Eduard Alfred [Edward?] born 23 Apr.1880 Cling [Clones?], Co.Monaghan
Think this might be John and Jane Bussell in 1911 census- Janet is a form of Jane, John's born in Fermanagh (and Janet in Tyrone) and 2 daughters there in Monaghan-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor_Ward/Lisburn_Road/169442
Can't find in 1901 yet (have a feeling name is mis-transcribed) but will do a bit more searching.
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It's no wonder they were hard to find in 1901- transcribed as Wm Russell although scanned image shows John Bussell!
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000343099/
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Thank You so much.
As you can see just starting out on the Mitchells. Would really like to find out were my 2xG grandfather William Mitchell mentioned above was born in1813.He dies 17/12/1888 Brookeborough. Lived at Whitpark House--its no longer there--wonder how to find a Photograph ??. .
Unable to find marriage records ( William to Jane Bussell) or his grave. Seems records poor for Presbyterians. His daughter Isabella Dunlop buried at Colebrooke Church in 1918 but I can find no grave for him or his wife.
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Any idea when William Mitchell and Jane/M.S. Bussell married? (where did you find her 'first' name as M.S.?)
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Not really but given the 7 children by 1860 with the 4th --Jane (latter Bussell as above)born in 1851 ,I would think around 1845 .---but very much a guess.
The name came from the death certificate of their son William Henry Mitchell ,a merchant ,who died glasgow on 21/10/1908 . Scottish people site ref 644/100417. Glasgow City/Lanark,Blythswood,Field A.Original 55.
Under mothers name it says Jane mitchell then below that M S Bussell. William senior( died 17/12 /1888 Brookeborough) in his will, which is on the PRONI site ,talks of his wife as Jane--so no help there.
catheyt
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As I suspected earlier- "Jane mitchell then below that M S Bussell" M.S. = Maiden Surname.
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Many thanks--one mystery solved.
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I have a family tree of the Mitchell Family Commencing with William Mitchell and Jane Bussell :)
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This is really interesting. William and Jane are my GG Grandparents . My G Grandmother is their daughter Margaret who marries George Hurst. I have Williams death cert and Will. Happy to exchange information. I have been searching for 2 years in the hope of learning more about the wider family. I have managed to Trace William's parents Thomas and Anne and family from the 1821 census for Fermanagh and the names of his family. His father was Robert Mitchell.
Look forward to hearing from you. Once you have posted 3 messages its possible to sent a personal message and exchange e mails if that's of interest. Would be happy to sent you the documents i have if that would be of interest.
Went to Co Fermanagh last summer but failed to find any graves for William and Jane but did discover one for their daughter--now Dunlop at Colebrook church just on the out skirts of Brookebrough.
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Well I look forward to exchanging some information on the Mitchells and Bussells , they are GG Grand parents from my mothers side , she was a Johnston.
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Glad to hear you are still on the Mitchell track, just noticed the family tree was prepared by TH Hurst dated Feb 1953 and has had a few additions since then on Bussell/Johnston and mcGivern side. :)
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Exciting. TH Hurst would be I think my Grandmothers brother. he was Thomas Henry Hurst known as Harry and dies in South africa. On line for a few more hours then it will be some days before i can be back in contact but very keen to explore more.
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hi joined this chat a bit late hope your still checking it! I was having no luck with the bussells/mitchells so this has really helped!!! I'm decended from their daughter Edith who married James Boyle and moved to Belfast.
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Delighted to hear from you. Cant say I have my head around all the lines but my g Grandmother --was a sister to Jane. When you have posted 3 messages can send you apersonal message with my e mail and give yiu more details. Met up this year with family of Maud --latter mrs Johnston. Have interesting tree i can send you. What part of the world are you in .
Look forwrd to hearing from you.
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Hi,
I noticed that Edith and James Boyle married in St. Mary Magdalene Church of Ireland, Shankill, Belfast on 30 Aug 1904.
Regards
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Many thanks for that information.
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definately be interested in getting any info i can until i saw this thread i had hit a brick wall with the Bussells! Would definately be interested in a family tree! If your interested in edith's family i have loads of info - edith boyle nee bussell was my great grandmother, her daughter was my grandmother dorothy who married Ambrose Willis in 1941.
Still in Northern Ireland.
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I Visit often. Have tree for all 7 children of William and jane --in part. Of the 8 children of Jane Bussell 3 ended up in South africa. After one more post fro you can send you a personal message and e mail.
Look forward to hearing from you.
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i'm pretty sure that my grandmother visited family in SA in - I think it was the 70's or 80's!
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definately be interested in getting any info i can until i saw this thread i had hit a brick wall with the Bussells! Would definately be interested in a family tree! If your interested in edith's family i have loads of info - edith boyle nee bussell was my great grandmother, her daughter was my grandmother dorothy who married Ambrose Willis in 1941.
Still in Northern Ireland.
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definately be interested in getting any info i can until i saw this thread i had hit a brick wall with the Bussells! Would definately be interested in a family tree! If your interested in edith's family i have loads of info - edith boyle nee bussell was my great grandmother, her daughter was my grandmother dorothy who married Ambrose Willis in 1941.
Still in Northern Ireland.
am grandaughter of james boyle's sister mary (minnie)who came to canada. know where edith buried but can't find james death/burial. have family pictures do you?
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Great that these lines are now being looked at. Sorry have no photos . My Line is Jane Bussell---the earlier posts give the background.
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By way of update on this. It now turns out that Jane Mitchell and John Bussell were cousins.
He had one brother Edward of Rosegard. Their father was William born 1811, one of the sons of Crumlin Bussell( sometimes spelt as Cromlin ) and Isabella Smyth from Garraroosky, Galloon Co Fermanagh.
Jane Mitchell was the daughter of William Mitchell 1813-1888 and Jane Bussell born 1817 sister to William Bussell mentioned above .So they have the same Grandparents.
Bussell seems to be a popular name in Co Fermanagh and there are Bussells at Newtownbutler which I understand is close and then in Mulinascorthy but I have yet to link them.
Thank you for all the help .
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Hi, are you still researching Bussell family members from Fermanagh, Ireland? I have been putting together pieces of information from various sources and have tried to build a tree, including Bussell families from the townlands of Corsenshin, Garraroosky, Culliondo, Derrymacrow, etc.
Anyone interedted?
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Yes interested. Have information I can share . My line goes back to Crumlin Bussell of Garraroosky and Isabella Symth and their daughter Jane Bussell who married William Mitchell .May I ask how you are connected .
Kind regards
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Hi, many thanks for your prompt reply! I am also a descendant of Crumlin Bussell and Isabella Smyth, through their son William (b1811), brother of Jane. I was recently at Garraroosky, Fermanagh and met a Bussell who is still farming there. My Bussell ancestors farmed at Derrymacrow (1901 Census) and then at Culliondoo, adjacent to Garraroosky (1911 Census). I'm new to RootsChat: how to share information? I would appreciate being able to compare trees to validate what I have.
Kind regards, D
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Suggest you sent me a personal message .If you have a tree on Ancestry is it public ?. Happy to look at it and comment. So can share information using the Personal Message system. If you want to put your e mail there I can send you some material. But it wont be straight away .
Regards
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Hoping you received the personal message just sent; I can't see it anymore..
Cheers
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Hope I am not too late to come in on this conversation. I have definitely hit a brick wall with Isabella Bussell who came to Australia around 1861. Her Australian death record (from Ancestry.com) names her parents as Jos and Fanny. An Australian newspaper article at the time of her death reports that she was from Fermanagh, but no more details. I have noticed in this thread, lots of familiar family names, and am hoping that somehow I might find some information for my 94 year old Mother-in-Law, who has a memory of her spinster Aunts, sisters to her Mother, visiting Northern Ireland to visit Bussell relatives. Looking forward to a reply. Maureen.
Part two: maybe Jos and Fanny were not Isabella's parents, as reported in the Australian Death Record. Isabella's Husband Henry Hodgson, born Lancashire England has his parents recorded on his Batism certificate also as Joseph and Fanny. What are the chances? Perhaps there was a mistake when recording Isabella's death?
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Hi Maureen,
Just had a quick look at what I have on the Bussel/Bushell (and variants) of Fermanagh. I can only find one Isabella (Bushel) that may fit the bill. Baptised COI Lisnaskea on 26 Oct 1818 Father shown as John, Mother Saragh living at Maguiresbridge. Does your death record give an approximate age (birth year)? Remember my reference above is the Baptism date so birth could have been a few days to a couple of years before. However where birth dates have been recorded in this register, most seem to be within a couple of months before, on average.
Other children to John and Saragh:
John 21 May 1807 (Surname Shown as Rushel in transcription)
Alexander 17 Nov 1812 (Birth) 2 Feb 1813 (Baptism)
and Mary 30 Dec 1816 (Baptism)
Occupation for the Father John is not shown on any of the above Baptisms.
Do any of the sibling ring any bells? Any others listed with her on the immigration information?
One final note, "Joseph" is only found once in my research as a second name for William Joseph Bussell (1875) from Anaghrane, Brookborough. I have no other references of Joseph as a common family name within this family.
Hope it's of use, even for elimination.
Rusty
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453 matches for Bussell on fermanaghgold http://search.atavus.org/ put in Surname!
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23 here on IGP.....
http://search.freefind.com/find.html?si=13812782&pid=r&n=0&_charset_=UTF-8&bcd=%C3%83%C2%B7&query=Bussell&s=fermanagh
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Thank you both very much. I have now ruled out Isabella's parents as Joseph and Fanny, and with the links provided have possibly found her. The year of birth I have given her and the names she went on to give her children (same as her siblings) make me fairly sure the only Isabella in Fermanagh at that time, is her.
Thank you so much Rusty for looking into your records. You were very kind and helpful to do that for me. I really appreciate the effort you went to.
I hope somehow one day I can be as helpful to someone else as you both have been to me.
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I have just registered with Rootschat and came across this post. Not sure if it is ok but I thought I would add to this post for anone interested, details on my GGGGrandmother Jane Bushel/Bussell who came from Aghavea. She married George Kells at Aghavea Parish Church on 15/8/1835. They had 5 children born in Ireland George, John, May Ann, Eliza Jane and Richard - of which I can only find baptism records for John and Eliza Jane (at Aghavea). They moved to Wakefield, Yorkshire around 1847 as their daughter Martha is nor there. In 1854 their last son William was born.
In 1851 Census lists her age is 33, George is 43. Also there is Jane Bushel's sister Mary 23.
As I have no records before their marriage I can't say if Jane is any connections to Bussel's discussed here, but just posting in case it is of interest.