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Some Special Interests => Occupation Interests => Topic started by: Redroger on Sunday 20 February 11 20:16 GMT (UK)
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Near Kew Gardens station (National Archive side) at the end house there is an ancient motor vehicle from the period 1890-1910 at a guess. It is a car or small charabanc, and the name on the bonnet is Pattison or Pattinson. Does anyone have information about this company in general and this vehicle in particular, quick before it finally disintegrates!!
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hi rr
i did a google street view last night but couldn,t fathom out where this vehicle was can you give us a more precise location please only i,m intrigued to have a look at it
trevor
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Trevor, Come out of the subway if you arrive from Richmond, or out of the station if from London, bear right and join the street which has Burlington Avenue as its first turn left. The vehicle is part covered by the side of the first house on this road before you reach Burlington Avenue. A look at Google Earth shows it is obscured by undergrowth and bushes in the garden of the first house on West Park Road. Opposite the footbridge at Kew station.
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hi rr
no wonder i couldn,t see it what with that flaming great buddleia in the garden it must be growing through the vehicle i should think whoever lives there doesn,t like a lot of light getting in to fade the curtains i should think i,ve seen places nearly as bad as that but that one takes the biscuit , i,ve had a quick google to try and find a company called pattison/pattinson but no luck so far , it,s a new one on me but will keep looking .
trevor
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me again
have a look at this site it may b the vehicle in question www.highland-ohio.com/patterson_automobile.htm it relates to the c r patterson & son carriage co .
trevor
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There was also the W A Paterson company in Michigan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paterson_(automobile)
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I had a look at those sites, and though the period was right, there was nothing that really fitted the bill. I will have another look next time I go to Kew to ensure I had the name right. In that era there were very many small motor manufacturers. Have you heard of the Cheswold? It was made in Doncaster around that time, and one is exhibited in the town museum. Subsequently they were bought out by Ford, and vehicle production continued in the town for many years, I think into the 1960s. If he cut the buddleigh down, the vehicle would probably disintegrate!
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I think the name is more associated with light commercials and tractors. UK manufacturer . Ive heard of Fordson/Pattisson vehicles. Fordson made agricultural tractors . Fordson Thames Pattisson all seem to be connected
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Would what appears to be a small charabanc be classed as a light commercial vehicle? Next time to go to Kew I shall take a photograph, foliage permitting!
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hi rr
personally i wouldn,t think it would come under light commercial if it is a chara it,s more likely to be under omnibus surely .
try and get there before june before the buddleia comes into flower if you don,t it,ll be festooned in flower and butterflies ;D ;D but like you say take it away and the thing willl probably fall apart before your eyes , it may well be it has a fabric type roof and maybe sides as well . can,t wait to see what it looks like , just thinking about it it wouldn, t be one of the original black cabs do you think have a look at this site and see what you think www.lvta.co.uk/history.htm .
trevor
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Trevor, My recollection is that there was no roof on the vehicle. Whether there had ever been a roof is open to conjecture? Inyend going next month, obviously a waste of time in the vegetated months.
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Hi, I think that Pattisons were a company who made specialist estate and golf course machinery in the inter-war period. Somewhere I have a Country Gentleman's Assn. Brochure from the thirties which I am certain has details and pics of their machines. They were based on car running gear typically from Ford or Austin and if I remember rightly looked like rather old fashioned pick up trucks with modifications such as rollers in the place of the rear axle, and provision for pulling gang mowers. There doesn't seem to be much on the net, although I came across one mention on a forum that said they came from Watford way and had the name embossed on an alloy radiator surround, with a bonnet like a model-T Ford.
From what I remember of the brochure, they were like the result of a mating between a modern John Deere Gator buggy and a Model-T!
I'll try to find the old ad.
Fred :)
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I found a few pics by Google Imaging "Pattison Tractor"- If the link works, one can be seen here.
www.flickr.com/photos/32687125@N05/5154722307/
Fred :)
Added: Would this be the same one at the station? I thought the stationary engine/David Brown in the next pics looked rather familiar!
www.flickr.com/photos/54773199@N07/
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Registration EBH112 could even be the same machine as the one at Kew, if the photo was taken many years ago, even complete with the buddleia! I don't remember a visible number plate on the Kew vehicle, definitely the same style of bonnet. Wait for the photo, buddleia permitting!
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we wait with bated breath buddleia permitting but you realise if you go now there won,t be any leaves on it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
trevor
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me again
i think your right r r that certainly looks like the house as far as i can tell but certainly looks to have been taken a few years back before the triffid took over ;D .
trevor
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It is the tyres that bother me Trevor, they look new on the photo, and my recollection is they were as old as the vehicle.Or cetainly many years old.
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oh blimey r r not another one of them being eaten by a buddliea i do see where your coming from those in the pic do look like new but looking at the pic it does seem as if it had been raining shortly before it was taken which would make the tread shiny so stand out more , does this sound like desparation to you ;D well at least we have some idea that what you saw looks like so without putting pressure on you it,s all down to when you go to kew i suppose ho hum ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
trevor
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I had a peek at the Kew station area on Google Earth and I thought I could see a red Stationary engine pulley in the undergrowth by the tree, just like the one in the series of Flicker pics.
In the Flicker pics, there is also a post war David Brown market garden tractor in the undergrowth. These had an engine at the back which you sat on, with a tubular frame at the front where the tool bar attached.They were very popular in the late 40s/early 50s with veggie growers.
Fred (Ex-tractor fan) :)
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Intend going before the end of March, so I may just beat the luxurious blossoming of the Kew vegetation, if I don't, then it will be December before the vehicle emerges again.
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and if we don,t hear from you by the end of march we,ll send stanley to search for you ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Since Kew is in London, I might find Livingstone already there!
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If you cross a rusty car with a hedge, do you get a British Leylandii??
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sounds like you 2 are as daft as i am ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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If you cross a rusty car with a hedge, do you get a British Leylandii??
This guy in Kew is trying to find out I think.
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Went yesterday, my luck held. The maker of the vehicle is Pattinson; the registration number is EBH 112, so the photos on flikr are of the same vehicle.Though the buddlei is growing again, things have changed in that the house is now up for sale, so some of the vegetation has been cleared. There is considerably more than just the chara, on the back of it, and not yet fallen through is a petrol driven lawnmower,apparently of similar vintage to the vehicle.The chara tyres are new, but the body is falling apart, and not just due to the mower. In front of the chara as seen from West Road is a Fordson tractor, again of similar age, in front of that and next to the pavement is an upright two wheeled machine which looks as though it might be an old version of those used for melting and applying white lining to roads. As I was pressed for time I resisted the temptation to ask if the vehicles were included in the sale. With judicious restoration and a millionaire enthuisiast then one could perhaps get a large property in Kew for a few £thousands.I took some photos which I will post on this thread once I have downloaded them.
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hi rr
well done rr it,ll be great to see the pics of all these machines ;)
regards
trevor
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The asking price of the house is £949,949, I am a little surprised it wasn't £666,666. Have seen a phot by googlinmg property for sale Kew, the photographer has done an amazing job in making it look respectable, taken it from a distance to get all of the building in. It is under offer at present, amazing, must be Lord montague looking for exhibits!Photos to be posted on sunday hopefully.
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The photos as promised
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Next coming up
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And the last one!
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As viewers will realise the site is still very difficult to access, the clearance for the sale has been partially undone by the profusion of sale signs! At least 3 different agents, one thing the south can learn from the north, I believe you get a much more effective sales service if one estate agent has sole rights until a sale is made or until he is sacked, rather than a crowd, squabbling like vultures over something else's kill!
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hi rr
thanks for posting pics but as you say and from what we,ve already seen you were lucky to get those shots at all ,as it is from the front it doesn,t look too bad but who knows what the rear might be like ,as to sign boards i thought that it was law now to only have one sign up even if it,s got different co,s on either side but like all things co,s wait till there told to change it then do something about it .
once again cheers for making the effort .
trevor
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The estate agent(s) had managed to make the photo of the house look civilized. the side view was pretty grim for photography, as for the back of the vehicle it seemed to have collapsed, perhaps under the weight of the motor mower. The back of the house is anyone's guess, I wonder if there will be skips outside next time I visit?