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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Durham => England => Durham Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Clemmie on Monday 21 February 11 13:11 GMT (UK)
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Hi Rootschat Users - may I put forward an appeal to the research gurus out there to help me in my quest for the death record of John Meynell?
John Mennel was baptised 15 Feb 1824 Bishopwearmouth Durham. Father John Mennel (born c1783 died 28 Feb 1860 John Meynall Bishopwearmouth Sunderland), Mother Sarah Mennal (nee Vaux) (Baptised 1 Oct 1787 Auckland St Andrew Durham, Married 14 May 1809 (Memel Vaux) St Peters Monkwearmouth; burial 8 May 1864 Bishopwearmouth in which her husband is named as a Mariner).
Many variations on the surname spelling of Meynell throughout the records.
John Mennel born1824 is a Mariner when he married Sarah Dowey 1850, Newcastle Upon Tyne.
1st child Thomas Vaux Meynell born c1851 Northfleet Kent - died Birkenhead Cheshire (Wirral) c1854
Johns brother Richard Vaux Meynell resided in Northfleet/Gravesend Kent until his death in 1873.
2nd child John Meynell born c 1852 Northfleet Kent - married Mary Gibbons Sunderland 1 Dec 1871 - this John also a Mariner. Died Sunderland 1 April 1915. They had 6 children.
3rd child James Meynell born c1858 Birkenhead Cheshire (Wirral) where 1st child dies.
4th child Margaret Ann born c1863 Sunderland.
The only census where I have sighted John Meynell 1824 is 1841. His wife Sarah appears in Sunderland 1861 onwards and is a widow in 1871census. She remarries 1874 (Henderson) and is again a widow in the 1891census.
If John is the father of Margaret Ann (and he appears to be as I've yet to see her recorded as Henderson although she is living with her mother and Willm in the 1881 and is recorded as Meynell but as the 'daughter" of the head.
I have checked the findmypast records for deaths at sea with a negative result and there are no Sunderland deaths that match between 1862 and 1874 when Sarah remarries. Have checked the deaths also on findmypast and freebmd.
Is there anyone that can't resist a challenge who is willing to help me resolve the date and place of Johns death please?
Kind regards Clemmie
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Welcome,
Whilst I do not have the expertese to help, may I offer you a warm welcome to the RC family. I'm sure many of the members will offer you help.
Mike
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There's a John Vaux Meynell DecQ1865 Gravesend 2a 201 or is that a son of Richard's?
edit: there's a possible 1860 birth for the above DecQ1860 North Aylesford 2a 290
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thanks Angelfish - all help very much appreciated as I may not have had John Vaux so all advice and info is useful when seen through new eyes :)
Richard Vaux Meynell baptised 25/12/1818 St Michaels Durham Bishopwearmouth. Married Sunderland 21/7/1839 to Jane Dawson born Sunderland.
children:
Mary Ann baptised 5/7/1841 Ballast Hills Bishopwearmouth, died Southampton Hampshire 1845
Robertina bn Southampton 1842 married George Abberley 28/7/1867 St Peter & St Paul Milton by Gravesend Kent.
Jane Mynell born 1843 Southampton, died 1843 Southampton
Sarah Jane Meynell born 1846 Southampton, died 1848 North Ayelsford Kent.
Richard James born 1847 Southampton, Burial 24/9/1848 St Botolphs Northfleet Kent
Elizabeth baptised 8/10/1848 St Botolphs Northfleet, died 1848 North Ayelsford Kent
Margaret Jane baptised 5/9/1852 St Botolphs, died 1861 North Ayelsford Kent
Richard Vaux baptised 28/5/1854 St Botolphs, died 1854 Northfleet.
Wife Jane - death registration was June Qtr 1854 Sunderland
Richard Vaux Mennel then married 4/12/1855 Northfleet Gravesend Kent, Caroline Redpath Dawson (born Sunderland)
their children:
Richard William Meynell baptised 17/12/1856 St Botolphs registered birth Nth Ayelsford Kent, married Miriam Robinson in Sunderland1883, died 1921 Sunderland.
Samuel Vaux Meynell baptised 27/3/1859 St Botolphs
John Vaux Meynell baptised 30/12/1860 St Botolphs, died Gravesend 1865
Thomas Meynell baptised 28/12/1862 Holy Trinity, Milton by Gravesend.
Richard, Samuel and Thomas returned to Sunderland possibly around the time of Richard Vaux Senior's death as they appear there during and after the 1881census.
Richard Vaux Meynell was a shipwright (Master) and had a building company in Kent. His company is mentioned on www.thamestugs.co.uk as he built the vessel Garribaldi listed on their site (found via a google search).
Prior to this he was a partner in a Business of Iron and Wood Ship Builders, Engineers, Millwrights, Machinists, Boiler and Tank Makers, Iron and Brass Founders, General Smiths, and Mast and Block Makers - the business was based at Milton-next-Gravesend and was named Turner, Jacobs & Meynell and was amicably dissolved 17 Sept 1862 (newspaper article sent to me).
When Richard Vaux Meynell died in 1873, according to the Wills and Probate Record, he was a 'Widow" and left 200 GBP to his 'only' next of kin (!!!) daughter, Robertina Abberley which intrigues me.
I have spent long 'sore eye' nights looking for his brother (born 1823/4), John Meynell's death record and fresh eyes are definitely needed now as per my previous request but I am also very appreciative of any further information around the shipbuilding scenario.
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Welcome,
Whilst I do not have the expertese to help, may I offer you a warm welcome to the RC family. I'm sure many of the members will offer you help.
Mike
Thanks Mike - regards Clemmie
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It might be worth putting this forward for a Scavenger Hunt as there are a lot of experienced RootsChatters who might not make it to the Durham Board. It certainly sounds as if it could make a good one as a disappearance can suggest all sorts of intriguing possibilities.
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Hi Angelfish - thank you heaps for your 'scavenger hunt' suggestion - sounds like a fabulous idea to me. Please advise me of the procedure I need to follow to achieve this.
Many thanks.....kind regards Clemmie
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Hi Clemmie, if you go to the Common Room the Scavenger Hunt is about the eighth thread down the list, just send Tephra a Personal Message asking to go on the waiting list,not very long last time I checked, and she'll sort it all out for you.
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Thank you Angelfish, very much appreciated :)
King regards Clemmie
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Doesn't help with his death record, but this looks like him in 1851 census
9 Horlocks Row, Northfleet, Kent,
John Maham, Visitor, Mar, 27, Shipwright, b. Sunderland, Durham
Sarah do., wife, 25, b. London,
Thomas do., son, 6 months, b. Hartlepool
HO107/1609/71/59
Alan.
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You say John Meynall and Sarah married Newcastle,
Is this chap any relation,West Gate Newcastle,
RG9/3812, 1861 census
John Manley born Brighton,aged 39 a seaman,
Ellen,aged 38,Born Newcastle
Joseph, 12
Alice, 10
Mary, 4
Esther, 2
Sarah, 6 months all born Newcastle,
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Alan, that is absolutely brilliant work - thank you so much for finding John in the 1851 Census....I would never have been able to find that one on my own. I even had difficulty looking it up with the information you provided so thanks for the additional reference details.
On Findmypast the surname is documented as Malam while Ancestry is Maham yet the name is Meynell - so many weird variations:)
Can you tell me where Hartlepool is please because I had the feeling it was around Durham way?
Radcliff, at this stage I don't have your Newcastle lot on my radar so I'm afraid I can't say yes or no to your question, and I'm a tad confused now because John and Sarahs marriage certificate says that Sarah is of this parish (Newcastle Upon Tyne) and when I found her in the 1841 Census she was with her family under the name Dowe (parents John (born Ipswich Suffolk from memory) and Margaret) I would have to recheck but I was sure that all the way through her place of birth was Northumberland N Upon T. All of my research has been done in isolation so I haven't had the confidence to accept inconsistencies in data:)
Thanks to all who have contributed in helping me to date. I should have got the courage up much earlier to ask as you are an amazingly giving bunch of clever genealogists.
Kind regards Clemmie
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Clemmie there is also a Margaret Manley born Hartlepool A/M/J 1861 (Durham) ,Sorry I cant follow this up as I dont have the facilities to do so ,
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Clemmie,
Hartlepool is about 20 miles south of Sunderland, on the east coast of England.
Sarah says she is born Newcastle in 1861, 1871 and 1881 census, but says born London in 1891.
1891 census,
11 Norman St., Sunderland,
Sarah Henderson, head, wid, 54, b. London,
Margt Meynell, dau, S, 28, b. Sunderland,
James do., Gson, 4, b. Sunderland,
RG12/4136/64/52
This could be Sarah in 1901, back to being called Meynell.
1901 census,
Surtees St., Sunderland,
David McDonald, head, 39, Steam Trawler Engineer, b. Witton Park,
Margaret do., wife, 39, b. Sunderland,
Mary E. do., dau, 1, b. Sunderland,
Sarah Meynell, m. in. law, wid, 75, b. London Middlesex,
Ena do., Step dau, 14, b. Sunderland.
RG13/4715/24/40
Alan.
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There is a birth on Sunderland Registrars site 1886 of a Jamesina Meynell. But no James or Ena.
I think James in 1891 aged 4 and Ena in 1901 aged 14 could be the same child.
Alan.
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Oh WELL picked up Alan :).
Yes, I have James and Ena on my radar - you could be right - I have been wondering where they might fit in so I will keep this in mind for future reference as I will need to buy certificates .
I have recorded Jamesina Meynell as baptised 28/7/1886 St John Hendon - Mother's name is Margaret. Jamesina is single, age 24 in the 1911 Census but then there is a marriage in 1911 of Jamesina Meynell to Robert C Robson.
Sarah Meynell/Henderson nee Dowey had a daughter Margaret 1863 (she also had a grandaughter Margaret but she was born 1887 so she is out of the equation).
I also have James that I have the birth certificate for born 1895 son of James Meynell fisherman (born Birkenhead) and Barbara Meynell - formerly Purvis but I've yet to find their marriage. He was baptised 23/10/1895 St Barnabas and his parents are named as James and Barbara. This family appear in the 1901 Census and I've yet to check the 1911C.
I have recorded a James that married in Sunderland June 1877 (this also fits with James born Birkenhead) but he married Ellen Burnett.
They follow a curly trail these seafaring Meynells but all seem to end up back in Sunderland until they migrate though:)
I really appreciate the support I'm receiving from Rootschat folk - thank you for your part in this.
Kind regards Clemmie
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Re: your interest in Vaux. I have Vaux ancestors from Pocklington in Yorkshire (my G. Grandfather). He moved to Witton Patk, County Durham working in the mines. I'm still researching so don't have too much info to share yet.
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Hi MKRD
According to their profile, Clemmie hasn't been online here since March 2016 but should receive an email notification that you have posted and hopefully come back soon.
Dawn
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Apologies for my tardiness in responding, lots of family illness and death has prevented me from researching. Just finding my way back slowly.
Thank you MKRD for your interest and connection with surname Vaux.
You may already know by now of the Sunderland Family Vaux of Vaux Brewery - there are many Vaux's in the Durham area over years, but I've yet to find a connection with this famous family.
I hope by now that you have ;-).
Best wishes
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Hi Clemie,
Sorry to hear of loss and hope time is helping to heal the sorrow.
I've not been tracing this line of the much but since last I posted I stumbled across a Vaux in an article on the Pocklington History site (Pocklington being in Yorkshire where my G. grandfather was born).
http://www.pocklingtonhistory.com/archives/people/emigration/michiganemigrants/index.php
It appears that this Vaux line were from Huegenot descent arriving from France probably in the 18th Century rather than from Norman Conquest. This being the case then there may be different Vaux family lines.
All the best
Michael
Regards - Michael