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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Berwickshire => Topic started by: Scottish wifie on Tuesday 22 February 11 10:49 GMT (UK)
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Hi I am looking for any information on Jane Renton, in the 1881 census she was living at Oldhamstocks she was aged 51 and from Cockburnspath, thanks Lesley
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See my post under East Lothian on the Cowe/Aitken thread!
Harry
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We can add a little regarding the earlier history of Jane Renton:
Jane was born on 25 December 1827 at Cockburnspath, the daughter of George Renton and Elizabeth Anderson, who were married on 11 September 1817 at Cockburnspath. George, Elizabeth and various children are buried in Cockburnspath Churchyard.
Jane can be seen with her parents in the 1841 census:
http://www.maxwellancestry.com/census/41transcript.aspx?houseid=73101067
and in the 1851 census:
http://www.maxwellancestry.com/census/51transcript.aspx?houseid=73101072
Jane’s father George can be seen at Coldingham in 1861 shortly before his death:
http://www.maxwellancestry.com/census/61transcript.aspx?houseid=73204095
The death certificates of George Renton and his wife Elizabeth Anderson should give their parents’ names, taking you back to the previous generation.
Hope this helps,
Emma
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This is brilliant thankyou so much for the information I have got another generation back !!! thanks Lesley
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This may help.
Cockburnspath M.I.
By George Renton memory of his family George 18.1.1825 22 months, Magdalene 2.7.1835 2 mths. Thomas 4.1.1851 30 yrs. wife Jane Guthrie 4.6.1852 30 yrs.? Mary 10.4.1853 23 yrs. Elizabeth 22.5.1853 30 yrs. wife Elizabeth Anderson 26.11.59 64 yrs. George Renton 8.11.1861 64 yrs.
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Just putting the link up to the post on the East Lothian board www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,515774.0.html
Monica :)
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Thankyou so much I was going to get my dad to visit Cockburnspath cemetry and get the mi's thankyou so much for this I have the dates when George Renton and Elizabeth Anderson died I can get the certificates from scotlands people this is great thanks Lesley
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Lesley, I see that you have Noble ancestors from Fraserburgh. Have you read a book called The Christian Watt Papers? It will tell you everything you could ever want to know about the Nobles of Fraserburgh, or rather, of the adjacent fishing-village of Broadsea.
As Scottish fishermen visited other ports up and down the country, they often ended up marrying a girl from another town, and some people in my home town of Cellardyke in Fife have Noble ancestry (by which I don't mean they belong to the Nobility!).
Harry
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Hi I have read the Christian Watt papers its a great book, I have got George Renton's parents as John Renton and Marjory Stuart/Stewart they married 25/04/1789 at Chirnside thanks for your help Lesley
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How interesting to find someone else looking for Rentons! My ancestor, Helen Renton, was born 16.6.1829 at Cockburnspath, daughter of George Renton and Elizabeth (ms Anderson). Jane was one of her sisters and was born 25.12.1827, also at Cockburnspath. Helen had a son, John, in approx 1848. His birth wasn't registered in Scotland, as far as I can find. He is noted on the 1851 census as living in his grandfather George's household, in Cockburnspath. On his certificate of marriage to Margaret Liddle, on 1.1.1875, there is no father listed, so that's why he had his mother's surname! John Renton and Margaret's (ms Liddle) first child was Elizabeth Brown Anderson Renton, born 15.3.1875. Their second child was Helen Renton, my grandmother, born 24.7.1877, at Grantshouse. John Renton was Postmaster at Grantshouse in the late 1800s/early 1900s and seems to have passed the job on to his younger daughter, Mary Jane Janet Liddle Renton (who in 1911 married John Pollock)
I have George's parents as John Renton and Marjory Stewart (Stuart ) but I have their date of marriage as 4.4.1789. I've made a note saying ' 5.4.1789 received for John Renton and Marjory Stuart's proclamation 1/- ' so maybe I've mis-interpretted the marriage date! Not sure! All very interesting.
I'm aware that the original post here was a year ago so I don't really expect a reply. :)
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Welcome to RootsChat, Anne :)
Lesley (Scottish wifie) should get an email notification of your post and hopefully post back.
Monica
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Next generation back William Renton1727-1782 lived and died Hutton. married Helen.and his parents George Renton and Helen Lyle.
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Took a trip to Cockburnspath cemetery last week to look for the gravestone of George Renton, his wife Elizabeth and some of their children. I went to the cemetery of the church in the middle of the village and found plenty of gravestones from around that time BUT couldn't locate this one. Do you think I was in the wrong graveyard? Or just not looking carefully enough? !!!!!! Any clues/advice welcome.
Thanks to normamac for the next generation back.
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If this is the couple you are looking for their dates of death should help find their grave.
George Renton died 8th Nov.1861 age 63 wife Elizabeth Anderson 26th Nov 1859 age 64.
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Hi,
There is more on the M.I. children mentioned, so should be a substantial one, was there 1968.
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I did have pictures of the Renton stone at Oldhamstocks. I cleaned it up thinking it was one of my Rentons? But later didscovered it was not.
The stone was in very good condition at the time. That was 2 years ago.
It has writing on both sides of it, if i recall correctly?
Aitch
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Thanks for your reply. I did visit Oldhamstocks Churchyard maybe 18 months ago and don't remember finding the Rentons I was looking for.
My Grandmother was Helen Renton, born 1877 at Grantshouse.
Her parents were John Renton, born approx 1848, and Margaret Liddle, born approx 1852.
John Renton was the illegitimate son of Helen Renton, born 1829. This Helen was one of the 12 children of George Renton, born 1798 at Foulden, and Elizabeth(Elisabeth) Anderson, born 1796.
Are these 'your' Rentons?
I also have Aitchisons in my family tree. Margaret Aitchison and Joshua Black, both born in 1800, married in 1829 at Coldstream. Their first child, John Black, born 1834 at Hume Hall, was my great-grandfather.
Margaret Atchison's parents were John Aitchison and Isabella Aitcheson, married in 1794.
Back to the Rentons! I'm interested in finding any children of my mother's cousin, who died about 2005. These 'children' will probably be in their 60s now. I'm not sure of the 'rules' on Rootschat. Can I search for people who are alive now? Can I give the name of my mother's cousin, which town she lived in, etc, in the hope of finding these relatives?
Yes, I am quite new to all this!!
Thanks Anne
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I am looking for an Agnes Renton (born 1851 Chirnside) who married George Thomas Parker ( my great grandfather) in Chirnside, they were there in the 1891 census but in 1901 census they were in Acomb Yorkshire. I am researching the Renton side of my family.
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Took a trip to Cockburnspath cemetery last week to look for the gravestone of George Renton, his wife Elizabeth and some of their children. I went to the cemetery of the church in the middle of the village and found plenty of gravestones from around that time BUT couldn't locate this one. Do you think I was in the wrong graveyard? Or just not looking carefully enough? !!!!!! Any clues/advice welcome.
Thanks to normamac for the next generation back.
Hi I am related to William Renton born 25/07/1824 son of George Renton & Elizabeth Anderson
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My link is to Helen Renton, born 16.6.1829 in Cockburnspath.
I see William in the family tree. I have his birth date as 26.7.1924, one day different from the date
you have - I'd have got that from Old Parish Records so maybe the writing wasn't too clear!
There were 12 children in the family but I think several died in infancy - I don't have more detail,
other than birth and baptism dates, on any of the children of George and Elizabeth, except Helen,
who I am descended from.
Do you have more information about William, or any of the others?
Or any other general information about the family?
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My link is to Helen Renton, born 16.6.1829 in Cockburnspath.
I see William in the family tree. I have his birth date as 26.7.1924, one day different from the date
you have - I'd have got that from Old Parish Records so maybe the writing wasn't too clear!
There were 12 children in the family but I think several died in infancy - I don't have more detail,
other than birth and baptism dates, on any of the children of George and Elizabeth, except Helen,
who I am descended from.
Do you have more information about William, or any of the others?
Or any other general information about the family?
HI, William Renton married Isabella Grieve on 21/10/1844 Coburnspath they had a daughter Janet Grieve Renton (My great Grandmother) The 1841 and 1851 census shows George & Elizabeths family. the 1851 census shows Helen as unmarried dress maker
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Hi everyone thanks for replying sorry i haven't been on roots chat for such a long time thank you for taking the time to reply and for all the information, I will have a look at what I have got and see if I can add anymore information to give back to you all, all the best Lesley
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I too have only found this line of research for Renton in Berwick-shire.
I have Isabell Renton born about 1788 either Chirnside or Mordingtion, who married a David GIBSON, who was born 1784 died 1861 and is my 3 x great grand father.
Their children were John 1807, Alison 1809, David 1811, Robert 1815, Anderson 1818 and William (my 2 x Gr Gr father) 1821 and Thomas in 1829.
I wonder if there is a link between Jane and Isabell.
Squirejay
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Hello - I am new to RootsChat but am researching my neice's family tree for her 16th birthday. Her Dad's side of the family are from Scotland and I am making some progress with understanding how Scottish records work! My neice's Great Great Grandfather was a John Liddle Renton, born in 1879 to John Renton and Margaret Liddle. I can't seem to find a death record for him though, and came across this post when doing a simple Google search to try and find a lead to follow! Any help appreciated!
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Hi, Thanks for your reply to that post! I'm a bit in shock as it must be 3 years since I wrote that. There was a time when I carried all this info in my head, and I still remember some of it which I'll give you here, but some of the detail I'll look up and send you later.
John Liddle Renton was my grandmother's brother! She was Helen Renton and was born in 1877. I think there were 4 children - Elizabeth ?possibly Brown? Renton, Helen Renton, John Liddle Renton and Mary Jane Janet Liddle Renton. John Liddle Renton and his siblings were born in Grantshouse, in Berwickshire, where his family ran the Post Office, quite a 'big deal' in those days. The running of the Post Office was later handed on to Mary Jane Janet and her husband, John Pollock. If I remember correctly, Margaret Liddle's father (John Liddle Renton's grandfather) was a veterinary surgeon, another 'big deal' then as the profession was, I think, only beginning to get itself organised and use of the title 'veterinary surgeon' suggested prefessional training and probably registration, but I haven't been able fo find out more about this.
John Liddle Renton married, had a son (John, known as Ian), then his young wife died. I can get details of where, when etc, but it was in one of the Borders' weaving towns. At that time John Liddle Renton was working as a personal servant and driver to a professional cricketer. (Who and where I can let you know) I would guess he was distraught after the death of his wife and moved to the West of Scotland where he became a chauffeur. His son, John, was brought up by his sister, Mary Jane Janet. Over in the West of Scotland JLR remarried and had several children but then died fairly young himself - dates , etc, I can find and send on. I would guess that you're niece is related to one of those children. I also guess that you are not living in Scotland.
I'll go and look up the other info that you might find of use and send it to you. Any other questions, just ask.
Anne
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I am totally amazed that you've replied, thank you so much! I look forward to hearing from you again!
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I'm fairly amazed myself that you found the 'thread' to this on google. I'm in the process of finding the info which might be of use. I'm actually recovering from flu so I'm very happy to have this distraction! A
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I've been researching my family tree for more that 10 years and although I've had breaks from it, it's just always in the back of my mind. And today your email has prompted me to look at all the information again, so thank you for that! Ok, lets go!
Death John Renton. ( no mention of the middle name, Liddle, on this certificate )
2nd March, 1926
Butler
Aged 46
At Dumfries Infirmary
Married to 1) Elizabeth McNab
2) Grace Weir
Usual residence ? Kewlands? or ?Newlands? Cottage, Kirkmahod_ _ _
Parents John Renton, shoemaker, deceased
Margaret Renton, m s Liddle, deceased
Cause of death. Cerebral Pneumonia 4 days
Peretonitis
Informant Archibald Weir, Glenbuck, Muirkirk
Do you want information on the 2 marriages? And any farther back? I have details from the Old Parish Record of 1809 showing the baptism of John Liddle, father on Margaret Liddle. And mountains more!
Anne
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Back to Lesley's original request for information on Jane Renton, she married a widower, George Renton, aged 60, on the 21st July, 1865, in Oldhamstocks. She is aged 35. Her parents are George Renton and Elizabeth Renton, ms Anderson, so she is a sister of Helen Renton, the person in my direct line. You may well have this information by now, Lesley. I'll have a look now and see if there are any children listed. Anne
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George Renton died on the 10th Dec 1874 in Oldhamstocks. Age given as 71 which doesn't quite match, but it is the correct person as wife listed as Jane Renton.
Between 1860 and 1874 there are 6 Renton births listed for Oldhamstock. Isabel in 1860, Helen in 1860, Mary in 1865, George H in 1866, John in 1871 and Robert in 1874. All or some of these could be George and Jane's children, but they could be children of sons of George's from his previous marriage. I hope so!
Hope this is of some use.
Anne
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4th August, 1889, death of Jane Renton, (now wife of Thomas Robertson, ground gardener ) at W. Pinkerton, Dunbar. She was 58. Parents are correct - George Renton and Agnes (interchangeable with Elizabeth??) Renton, ms Anderson. Cause - heart disease, 6 months. She's listed in the 1881 census as Jane Renton in Oldhamstocks, but by the time of her death she had remarried and moved to nearby Dunbar. Does this sound correct, Lesley?
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Just spent the last 10 minutes writing up birth details here from OPRs then 'lost' it! Darts!!!
Just see a message above this box which says "The following error or errors occurred while posting this message : The message body was left empty."
I'll send this as it is and if it goes through ok I'll continue and send the OPR birth info I tried to send in the first place ! Fingers crossed!
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Ok, second attempt.
From 1796 OPR for Pencaitland. Birth
Anderson. August, 26th, 1796 Was born Elisabeth Anderson & baptised 4th Sept
Parents William Anderson and Janet Broadfoot in Fowlstruther
Witnesses Robert Anderson and George Broadfoot, Uncles
From 1798 OPR for Foulden. Birth
Renton. George, lawful son to John Renton
& Marjory Stewart born Sept'r 14th
Baptised Oct'r 12th 1798
William Lidgate, David Liddle, John Young Witnesses
Good, hopefully info will be posted this time!
Anne