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Title: please help to identify town
Post by: julkes on Thursday 24 February 11 13:57 GMT (UK)
We are trying to locate a burial place of Ksenia Valerianovna KURIS whio died July 28, 1966 in Scotland in a place that Russian language sources call Collon (Kolon)???

Any ideas where this could be will be greatly appreciated.

Thank youy in advance

Julia&keld
London
Title: Re: please help to identify Scottish town
Post by: Redroger on Thursday 24 February 11 14:08 GMT (UK)
According to Wikipaedia Collon is a small town in County Louth, Ireland. Is this possible? Or is Scotland a certainty?
Title: Re: please help to identify Scottish town
Post by: MonicaL on Thursday 24 February 11 14:12 GMT (UK)
Can't see a Scottish death for her at all unfortunately on the official pay to view site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

Monica

Added: The Irish online index here http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails&c=fs%3A1408347 only goes up to 1958. Perhaps some of the Irish RootsChatters could advice how you could check for a possible death c.1966 in Ireland as Redroger suggests  :)
Title: Re: please help to identify Scottish town
Post by: julkes on Thursday 24 February 11 14:19 GMT (UK)
Thanks a lot!

I will definitely try Ireland - would not be surprised by such a mistake.

What a great bunch of people here....
Title: Re: please help to identify Scottish town
Post by: Redroger on Thursday 24 February 11 14:46 GMT (UK)
Think I would repost on the irish board or ask the moderator to move this thread to ensure they see it.
Title: Re: please help to identify Scottish town
Post by: sancti on Thursday 24 February 11 17:04 GMT (UK)
What age would she have been when she died?

Did she get married in Scotland?
Title: Re: please help to identify Scottish town
Post by: seamike on Thursday 24 February 11 20:50 GMT (UK)
Julia,

"Nezabytye mogily" indicates the place as Collon, Eire

Redroger is right

Mike
Title: Re: please help to identify Scottish town
Post by: Skoosh on Thursday 24 February 11 22:59 GMT (UK)
Julia,  sounds like Cullen in Banffshire.      Skoosh.
Title: Re: please help to identify Scottish town
Post by: flst on Friday 25 February 11 16:11 GMT (UK)
Skoosh, that was my immediate thought as well!
flst
Title: Re: please help to identify Scottish town
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 25 February 11 17:30 GMT (UK)
There's no death entry showing on SP though (searching with wildcards for a K*n*  K*r*s*)....

Monica  :)
Title: Re: please help to identify Scottish town
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 25 February 11 17:34 GMT (UK)
The first name may appear as the 'English' version- Xenia.
I can move this thread to Ireland-General board but unfortunately, as has already been mentioned, the online civil registration index stops at 1958.
Title: Re: please help to identify Scottish town
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 25 February 11 17:42 GMT (UK)
I've tried searching a *n*a for the first name...and still nothing (with a wider year range as well for the death). If she (?) did die in Scotland, can't figure out how the first (and second) name has been indexed!

Monica
Title: Re: please help to identify Scottish town
Post by: seamike on Friday 25 February 11 17:49 GMT (UK)
The place is 'Collon, Eire, Ireland' as it is in the Russian book "Nezabytye mogily" ('The graves not to forget').
Besides, she, Ksenia (or Xenia) had other relatives buried in Ireland.

When Julia is back, hope she will confirm that the place is in Ireland.

Mike
Title: Re: please help to identify Scottish town
Post by: shanew147 on Friday 25 February 11 18:26 GMT (UK)
Death notice from Irish Independent Saturday, July 30, 1966

Couriss (Collon, Co. Louth) - July 28, 1966. Ksana, beloved wife
 of N.J. Couriss. Funeral from Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital Drogheda
 today (Saturday) to Collon Church arriving at 2 o'c.



Shane
Title: Re: please help to identify town
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 25 February 11 18:29 GMT (UK)
Now that the exact place has been confirmed I've moved this thread to Louth board and changed the title slightly so no one wonders why a post looking for a Scottish place is on an Irish board.
Title: Re: please help to identify town
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 25 February 11 19:33 GMT (UK)
That's great Shane - all confirmed  :)

Mike, I've had a look at this book you mentioned "Nezabytye mogily" - looks a goldmine of info, if I could only understand it given it looks to be in Russian!

Monica
Title: Re: please help to identify town
Post by: seamike on Friday 25 February 11 19:39 GMT (UK)
yes Monica, it is in Russian and about Russians (also with UK, French, German roots) who died and were buried outside of Russia. 6 volumes of priceless information.

Mike
Title: Re: please help to identify town
Post by: shanew147 on Friday 25 February 11 19:42 GMT (UK)
Possible a death of a child of this couple :

 Name: Ilya Couriss
 Registration district:   Drogheda
 Event type: Death
 Quarter and year: Oct-Dec 1934
 Age:   8  (est. year of birth 1926)
 Volume :2 / Page : 185

The death is also indexed under the surname 'Conriss'. Drogheda is the registration district just east of the one that covers Collon.

I cant see a corresponding birth in the area... maybe Ilya was born outside Ireland ?


Shane
Title: Re: please help to identify town
Post by: seamike on Friday 25 February 11 19:54 GMT (UK)
This Ilya is also in "Nezabytye mogily" book. No birth date, just 'died 11/24 September 1934, Ireland'.

Besides, one more Kuris from this book - Kuris Nikolay, (? - 16 August 1977), Dublin, Ireland, priest
Title: Re: please help to identify town
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 25 February 11 19:54 GMT (UK)
Wonder if there's a connection here? "among them Nicholas Couriss, who much later became this country's first resident Orthodox priest"... "Fr. Nicholas himself died in August 1977."
http://www.ireland.ru/orthodox/m_c_torrance2.html
http://www.irishchurches.org/files/OrthodoxyinIreland06.pdf
Besides, one more Kuris from this book - Kuris Nikolay, (? - 16 August 1977), Dublin, Ireland, priest

N.J. Couriss mentioned here-
K. K. Pahlen, Mission to Turkestan: Being the Memoirs of Count K.K. Pahlen, 1908-1909, (trans.) N. J. Couriss (London: Oxford University Press, 1964).
Title: Re: please help to identify town
Post by: shanew147 on Friday 25 February 11 20:00 GMT (UK)
Monday 26th November 1973

Article details how a Dublin man (Dr. Edward Brennan) is to become our first Ambassador in Russia. Notes some details on him and his education and concludes with :

'.. took up E.E.C. post in 1968 but prior to that, studied Russian in Collon, Co. Louth, under Nicholas Couriss and his wife Xenia. Mr Couriss is a former captain in the White Russian Imperial Army.'


Shane
Title: Re: please help to identify town
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 25 February 11 20:13 GMT (UK)
There is also this: The Russian Orthodox Church in Ireland www.ireland.ru/orthodox/m_c_torrance2.html

Monica
Title: Re: please help to identify town
Post by: seamike on Friday 25 February 11 20:13 GMT (UK)
How far one simple question can lead:

Rori McGowan, Catholic apostatized to Russian Orthodox under influence of priest Nikolay Kuris. Was member of Russian Orthodox Church in Dublin from 1965 till his recent death.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c0o/
(it is in Russian but at least you can see this fairy-tale Rori)
Title: Re: please help to identify town
Post by: shanew147 on Friday 25 February 11 20:16 GMT (UK)
google translate does quite a good job of converting that article to English..


Shane
Title: Re: please help to identify town
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 25 February 11 20:31 GMT (UK)
N.J. Couriss apparently translated lots of books. If you google "couriss & ireland" you get an English translation of the Ruari McGowan article and much more.
Title: Re: please help to identify town
Post by: shanew147 on Friday 25 February 11 20:51 GMT (UK)
extracts of one more article..

19th Aug 1977 (Fri)

'Rev. Nicholas Couriss of 45 Pembroke Lane, Dublin who has died, was a member of the Russian Orthodox Church.. also ministered to members of the Greek Orthodox Church for the last 10 years... aged 81, he was born in St. Petersbourg'

'... during the Russian Revolution he joined the White Army, later coming west and settling in Collon, Co. Louth. .... he specialized in the growing of Mushrooms, being a pioneer of the industry in this country.'

[after death of Xenia] '..Rev. Couriss took up the study of Theology and was ordained in the Russian Orthodox Church-in-Exile in New York the following year.'

'...He is survived by his sister, Miss Luba de Couriss'


Shane
Title: Re: please help to identify town
Post by: Redroger on Sunday 27 February 11 15:54 GMT (UK)
Wow! And I started all that off with one little Google!
Title: Re: please help to identify town
Post by: Glenn Thomas on Sunday 19 June 11 12:05 BST (UK)
There are three graves with the unique Russian eight-point cross in the Presbyterian Church in the main street of Collon, County Louth, Ireland. I believe the three graves belong to Nicholas Couris, his wife, and their young son who died tragically in the 1930's.
Couris was an officer member of the Romanov's Imperial Guard and led an interesting life before finally settling in Ireland, along with many other Russian emigres at that time who were forced to flee their homeland after the October revolution. Couris was reputed to have been involved in a plot to rescue the Russian Tsar and his family in Ekaterinburg in July 1918, but always refused to speak of his role. He later became a Russian Orthodox priest in later life.
As to why the graves should be located in a Presbyterian Church, I have no idea.
Does anyone know? Hosever, there is a local historian in Collon who may be able to help you if you wish to contact me.
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Title: Re: please help to identify town
Post by: Redroger on Sunday 19 June 11 19:07 BST (UK)
Good idea Glenn, and pleased post the results here, even if negative.
Title: Re: please help to identify town
Post by: Wolfboy on Friday 17 May 13 23:30 BST (UK)
Hi all, just found this thread about N Couriss. He lived for many years in my house, The Old Courthouse in Collon Co Louth, Ireland. Apparently he taught Russian there and there are rumours that some famous British spies learned Russian there. As far as I remember there were several Russians who fled to Collon during the revolution. There was also a Russian Count whose name I can't remember. Madame Couriss used to bake little Russian cakes and give them to locals, I think they were called Piroshki or something similar. When Madame Couriss died her husband, Nikolas moved to Dublin and became a Priest. He died inthe 1970's. There are some Russian graves in the Church of Ireland in the Village. If anyone wants any information I know a few people in the Village who can remember the Couriss's and I would be happy to find out as much as I can. I can also take some photos of the Old Courthouse and the graves.
Title: Re: please help to identify town
Post by: julkes on Sunday 05 June 16 02:20 BST (UK)
Yes please Wolfboy!
Title: Re: please help to identify town
Post by: Fnna on Monday 24 April 17 21:22 BST (UK)
A very good article about Father Nikolai Couriss http://www.rocorstudies.org/2011/12/30/in-memory-of-father-nicholas-couriss/

Wolfboy
, I'm very interested in information about Russian Collon group. Do you remember who else was living there?