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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Louth => Topic started by: julkes on Thursday 24 February 11 13:57 GMT (UK)
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We are trying to locate a burial place of Ksenia Valerianovna KURIS whio died July 28, 1966 in Scotland in a place that Russian language sources call Collon (Kolon)???
Any ideas where this could be will be greatly appreciated.
Thank youy in advance
Julia&keld
London
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According to Wikipaedia Collon is a small town in County Louth, Ireland. Is this possible? Or is Scotland a certainty?
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Can't see a Scottish death for her at all unfortunately on the official pay to view site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Monica
Added: The Irish online index here http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails&c=fs%3A1408347 only goes up to 1958. Perhaps some of the Irish RootsChatters could advice how you could check for a possible death c.1966 in Ireland as Redroger suggests :)
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Thanks a lot!
I will definitely try Ireland - would not be surprised by such a mistake.
What a great bunch of people here....
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Think I would repost on the irish board or ask the moderator to move this thread to ensure they see it.
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What age would she have been when she died?
Did she get married in Scotland?
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Julia,
"Nezabytye mogily" indicates the place as Collon, Eire
Redroger is right
Mike
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Julia, sounds like Cullen in Banffshire. Skoosh.
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Skoosh, that was my immediate thought as well!
flst
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There's no death entry showing on SP though (searching with wildcards for a K*n* K*r*s*)....
Monica :)
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The first name may appear as the 'English' version- Xenia.
I can move this thread to Ireland-General board but unfortunately, as has already been mentioned, the online civil registration index stops at 1958.
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I've tried searching a *n*a for the first name...and still nothing (with a wider year range as well for the death). If she (?) did die in Scotland, can't figure out how the first (and second) name has been indexed!
Monica
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The place is 'Collon, Eire, Ireland' as it is in the Russian book "Nezabytye mogily" ('The graves not to forget').
Besides, she, Ksenia (or Xenia) had other relatives buried in Ireland.
When Julia is back, hope she will confirm that the place is in Ireland.
Mike
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Death notice from Irish Independent Saturday, July 30, 1966
Couriss (Collon, Co. Louth) - July 28, 1966. Ksana, beloved wife
of N.J. Couriss. Funeral from Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital Drogheda
today (Saturday) to Collon Church arriving at 2 o'c.
Shane
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Now that the exact place has been confirmed I've moved this thread to Louth board and changed the title slightly so no one wonders why a post looking for a Scottish place is on an Irish board.
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That's great Shane - all confirmed :)
Mike, I've had a look at this book you mentioned "Nezabytye mogily" - looks a goldmine of info, if I could only understand it given it looks to be in Russian!
Monica
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yes Monica, it is in Russian and about Russians (also with UK, French, German roots) who died and were buried outside of Russia. 6 volumes of priceless information.
Mike
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Possible a death of a child of this couple :
Name: Ilya Couriss
Registration district: Drogheda
Event type: Death
Quarter and year: Oct-Dec 1934
Age: 8 (est. year of birth 1926)
Volume :2 / Page : 185
The death is also indexed under the surname 'Conriss'. Drogheda is the registration district just east of the one that covers Collon.
I cant see a corresponding birth in the area... maybe Ilya was born outside Ireland ?
Shane
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This Ilya is also in "Nezabytye mogily" book. No birth date, just 'died 11/24 September 1934, Ireland'.
Besides, one more Kuris from this book - Kuris Nikolay, (? - 16 August 1977), Dublin, Ireland, priest
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Wonder if there's a connection here? "among them Nicholas Couriss, who much later became this country's first resident Orthodox priest"... "Fr. Nicholas himself died in August 1977."
http://www.ireland.ru/orthodox/m_c_torrance2.html
http://www.irishchurches.org/files/OrthodoxyinIreland06.pdf
Besides, one more Kuris from this book - Kuris Nikolay, (? - 16 August 1977), Dublin, Ireland, priest
N.J. Couriss mentioned here-
K. K. Pahlen, Mission to Turkestan: Being the Memoirs of Count K.K. Pahlen, 1908-1909, (trans.) N. J. Couriss (London: Oxford University Press, 1964).
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Monday 26th November 1973
Article details how a Dublin man (Dr. Edward Brennan) is to become our first Ambassador in Russia. Notes some details on him and his education and concludes with :
'.. took up E.E.C. post in 1968 but prior to that, studied Russian in Collon, Co. Louth, under Nicholas Couriss and his wife Xenia. Mr Couriss is a former captain in the White Russian Imperial Army.'
Shane
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There is also this: The Russian Orthodox Church in Ireland www.ireland.ru/orthodox/m_c_torrance2.html
Monica
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How far one simple question can lead:
Rori McGowan, Catholic apostatized to Russian Orthodox under influence of priest Nikolay Kuris. Was member of Russian Orthodox Church in Dublin from 1965 till his recent death.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c0o/
(it is in Russian but at least you can see this fairy-tale Rori)
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google translate does quite a good job of converting that article to English..
Shane
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N.J. Couriss apparently translated lots of books. If you google "couriss & ireland" you get an English translation of the Ruari McGowan article and much more.
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extracts of one more article..
19th Aug 1977 (Fri)
'Rev. Nicholas Couriss of 45 Pembroke Lane, Dublin who has died, was a member of the Russian Orthodox Church.. also ministered to members of the Greek Orthodox Church for the last 10 years... aged 81, he was born in St. Petersbourg'
'... during the Russian Revolution he joined the White Army, later coming west and settling in Collon, Co. Louth. .... he specialized in the growing of Mushrooms, being a pioneer of the industry in this country.'
[after death of Xenia] '..Rev. Couriss took up the study of Theology and was ordained in the Russian Orthodox Church-in-Exile in New York the following year.'
'...He is survived by his sister, Miss Luba de Couriss'
Shane
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Wow! And I started all that off with one little Google!
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There are three graves with the unique Russian eight-point cross in the Presbyterian Church in the main street of Collon, County Louth, Ireland. I believe the three graves belong to Nicholas Couris, his wife, and their young son who died tragically in the 1930's.
Couris was an officer member of the Romanov's Imperial Guard and led an interesting life before finally settling in Ireland, along with many other Russian emigres at that time who were forced to flee their homeland after the October revolution. Couris was reputed to have been involved in a plot to rescue the Russian Tsar and his family in Ekaterinburg in July 1918, but always refused to speak of his role. He later became a Russian Orthodox priest in later life.
As to why the graves should be located in a Presbyterian Church, I have no idea.
Does anyone know? Hosever, there is a local historian in Collon who may be able to help you if you wish to contact me.
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Good idea Glenn, and pleased post the results here, even if negative.
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Hi all, just found this thread about N Couriss. He lived for many years in my house, The Old Courthouse in Collon Co Louth, Ireland. Apparently he taught Russian there and there are rumours that some famous British spies learned Russian there. As far as I remember there were several Russians who fled to Collon during the revolution. There was also a Russian Count whose name I can't remember. Madame Couriss used to bake little Russian cakes and give them to locals, I think they were called Piroshki or something similar. When Madame Couriss died her husband, Nikolas moved to Dublin and became a Priest. He died inthe 1970's. There are some Russian graves in the Church of Ireland in the Village. If anyone wants any information I know a few people in the Village who can remember the Couriss's and I would be happy to find out as much as I can. I can also take some photos of the Old Courthouse and the graves.
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Yes please Wolfboy!
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A very good article about Father Nikolai Couriss http://www.rocorstudies.org/2011/12/30/in-memory-of-father-nicholas-couriss/
Wolfboy, I'm very interested in information about Russian Collon group. Do you remember who else was living there?