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Title: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: YJC on Thursday 24 February 11 16:43 GMT (UK)
Winifred, was the sister of my Mum-in-law, she was known to the family as Winnie. She was the daug of Edward James Smee (1882-1943) & Harriet Harford (1883-1975). Winnie born 1914 @ Newcastle area of England. Her illegitimate son was born 1932 Newcastle. Winnie emigrated to Australia , on her own, onboard SS "New Australia", sailing from Southampton - Melbourne, 29/8/1951, at the time her address was given as 4 Caroline Cottages, Oxhey, Herts, England which was the home of my husband's parents where she had been staying.
It is possible she may have returned to live in the UK briefly during the 1960s but no proof of this.

 I can find no trace of her once she reached Australia. Did she ever marry ? Did she stay in Victoria ? When did she die ?

Can anyone help me please ??
Thanks Yvonne
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: Billyblue on Tuesday 01 March 11 02:24 GMT (UK)
Are you sure she got off the ship in Melbourne?  It could have stopped at Fremantle on the way, or gone on to Sydney ??
Uncommon surname - is there any connection with C J Smee who has produced a lot of genealogy / fh books and indexes in Australia.  (Craig James Smee, lives in Sydney, according to library catalogue of QFHS Inc.)

Dawn M
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: YJC on Tuesday 01 March 11 10:19 GMT (UK)
Hi Dawn - In a word, NO, I don't know anything about where Winnie disembarked. All I know for def is that she sailed to Aust as per my earlier details & then she becomes an absolute mystery !!!!! I do know that she def lived in Aust for some years but where is another question.
The name Craig James Smee doesn't mean anything to me/us but that's not to say there isn't a connection.
Sorry, I'm being terribly vague I know !   ???

Any help anyone can provide would be brilliant 

Many thanks
Yvonne

Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: tropicalj on Tuesday 01 March 11 10:46 GMT (UK)
I have been having a look around for her nothing  as yet

 Did her son stay in England Please?

Jenn
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: YJC on Tuesday 01 March 11 10:55 GMT (UK)
Hi Jenn

Yes he did, he stayed with other members of the family here in the UK.

Winnie certainly seems to be proving very elusive doesn't she !

Bye Yvonne
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: YJC on Tuesday 01 March 11 13:58 GMT (UK)
Hi again Jenn - I've just had another look at the travel recs for Winnie from Southampton - Melbourne, departing UK 29/8/1951.
Under the heading 'passenger detination port' in the trans version + 'Port at which Passengers have contracted to land' in the orig doc - both say Melbourne. So I would assume from this that she did actually disemarked there ?
I've also noticed that she had a middle initial of A.

Bye Y 
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: tropicalj on Tuesday 01 March 11 20:58 GMT (UK)
I notice  the middle initial of A  on  what appears to be her birth registration.

I couldn't find a death to 1984  in Victoria

Nothing in NSW 

Jenn
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: ian-nz on Tuesday 01 March 11 22:55 GMT (UK)
Hi Yvonne,

There is a death on the New Zealand BDM for a Winifred Annie Smee died 2000 but her date of birth is 9th April 1906 so she may not be the lady you are looking for.

Pauline
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 01 March 11 23:23 GMT (UK)
Do you know what kind of employment WINNIE was likely to have looked for?

Was she used to city life, or more inclined to living in the country?

Sue

ADDING
No newspaper death notice appeared for her (under that name) in Victoria between 1988 and 1992
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: Billyblue on Wednesday 02 March 11 06:43 GMT (UK)
And no death for her found in NSW 1951-1980, all Smee deaths that period are males.
No marriages 1951-1960 either
Dawn M
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: YJC on Wednesday 02 March 11 14:06 GMT (UK)
Hi to all of you who are trying to find any info on Winnie for me ..... she is really proving to be one elusive lady !!!!   ???
Her birth is rec on BMD as Q3 1914 @ Tynemouth area of Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Northumberland. As far as I'm aware she would have spent most of her life in the North Shields area of that part of the country until she emigrated to Aust. On the travel recs to Aust her employment is given as domestic duties, it is also possible she may have  been able to work as a dressmaker or needlework of some description as quite a few members of her family did.
I had already thought that her middle initial of 'A' could have been for Ann or Annie as this was her maternal Gran's first name.
Is it at all poss that the death rec in NZ could have an incorrect YOB ?? does it give any other info on her please ??
Don't know if any of the above will be of any help to anyone. I have a large supply of huge shovels/spades if anyone is interested, they might help with your digging !!!!!!   ::)
Please don't give up on me  :D

Thanks & bye for now
Yvonne

Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Wednesday 02 March 11 15:09 GMT (UK)

Is it at all poss that the death rec in NZ could have an incorrect YOB ?? does it give any other info on her please ??



NZ BDM is online here:

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/



Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: YJC on Wednesday 02 March 11 16:38 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the info of the website.

Y
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: tropicalj on Wednesday 02 March 11 20:44 GMT (UK)
1928reg no  8901
Winifred Annie  Stephenson married   Thomas Fuller  Smee  in New Zealand

I feel  that  may be her death in 2000

Jenn
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: YJC on Thursday 03 March 11 09:32 GMT (UK)
Hi Jen

Thanks for that, I think we can safely say that this isn't 'our Winnie' but I wish I can find something def about her. She just seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth once she arrived in Aust !!! Yet I know she was alive for at least a few years as my husband can remember his Mum (Winnie's sister) baking & sending her a Christmas cake for quite a few years.
Would anyone be able to look at the electoral rolls for me .... just a thought ???

Bye for now
Y
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: tropicalj on Thursday 03 March 11 10:00 GMT (UK)
I checked the electoral roll till 1954  in NSW QLD VIC WA  but no luck

What about her son did hehave any contact at all?

Jenn
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: YJC on Thursday 03 March 11 10:23 GMT (UK)
Unfort we do not have any contact with the son or even know if he is still alive. My husband has not seen him for many, many years.

Y
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: YJC on Thursday 07 April 11 15:35 BST (UK)
Update re Winnie Smee ..... it now appears that Winnie retd to the UK & probably stayed here, not sure of dates. However, a possible marr rec (Smee) in 1982 & death in 1987 - both Watford, Herts- look as if they may be her ,I'm still checking .
No wonder we have all been having probs finding her in Aust !!!!

However, I would still be interested if anyone is able to find any info about her whilst she was in Aust. The details re her sailing, 29/8/1951, Southampton-Melbourne are DEF correct but don't know how long she remained out with you.

Bye for now
Yvonne
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: sparrett on Friday 08 April 11 00:39 BST (UK)
Hi Yvonne,
I'm sure all here will be interested to hear whether Winnie made a late in life marriage in Eng.

Do keep us up to date ;D

Sue
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: YJC on Friday 15 April 11 16:32 BST (UK)
Hi All

Just to let you know that I have now received a copy of a marriage cert for Winnie Smee & it is our Winnie. It seems she marr over here in 1982, she was 68 & her husband Wm Low was 81 !! All the details from the cert tie up so I'm happy it is our elusive Winnie - EUREKA. I'm assuming the death rec in Watford, 1987, for Winnie Low is also her

If anyone discovers her on any recs in Aust I would still love to hear from you as she is still a mystery whilst in your country ??!!!

Many thanks for everyone who has been looking for me.

Bye Yvonne   :)
 
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 16 April 11 01:20 BST (UK)
Glad to hear you have found her :)

regarding her husband William Low was he born and bred in the UK?

thanks Jenn
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: YJC on Saturday 16 April 11 11:39 BST (UK)
Hi  Jenn

I'm not really sure about Wm Low. However, I've found a couple of poss birth recs in UK + what I believe to be his first marr & birth of 2 daughters all in Watford, Herts - this info ties up with what I had already been told by a family member. I'm therefore assuming he was English & is the same man Winnie had a relationship with before she emigrated to Aust.

Thanks for all your help.
Bye Yvonne     :)
Title: Re: Victoria-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: YJC on Thursday 06 October 11 13:50 BST (UK)
Hi all - just to let you know that I have now (finally !!) been able to locate Winnie on the Aust Elect Rolls for 1958-1977 incl. It seems she was in the area of  Toorak,Victoria  for her entire time in your country.
Many thanks to all of you who have either helped or attempted to offer assistance. I think the query on Winnie can now be called RESOLVED.
Bye Yvonne

Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: cando on Thursday 06 October 11 22:59 BST (UK)
Hi Yvonne

I didn't participate in the thread but spent sometime searching.  I had already looked up Winifred's electoral roll listings for you and now see you had already found them ;D  I will type them up in case you did not actually look at the image of the rolls with all the detail.  I also checked googlemaps streetview to see where she had lived.  You may like to do the same :)

Australian Electoral Roll
1958, 1963
SMEE Winifred Ann 35 Canterbury Road, Toorak  HD
1968
SMEE Winifred Ann 529 Malvern Road, Toorak  Hospital employee
1972
SMEE Winifred Ann 529 Malvern Road, Toorak  Orderley
1977
SMEE Winifred Ann 201 William Road South Yarra  HD

Cheers :)
Cando
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: YJC on Friday 07 October 11 11:02 BST (UK)
Hello Cando - Many thanks for that & I'm sorry  ::) that you appear to have wasted your time on my behalf !!!!!!!!!!!!
You have found exactly the same info as I have & yes I was able to access the elect rolls. I've also googled her addresses to have a look where she lived.
Winnie has proved to be a mystery once she landed in Aust, until now that is, so I really pleased to have finally located her.

Once again [i]A BIG THANK YOU. [/i]
Bye Yvonne  :) :)
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: lizzieanne on Monday 27 November 17 16:41 GMT (UK)
Winifred Smee was my grandmother, her son James Edward was my father. Any contact with members of the family,very welcome !!
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: Billyblue on Monday 27 November 17 21:46 GMT (UK)
Hello Lizzieanne and welcome to RootsChat

YJC hasn't been active on this forum since early 2016.
Let's hope her email is still valid and you get a reply  :) :)  :)

Dawn M
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: YJC on Monday 04 December 17 10:57 GMT (UK)
Hi  LizzieAnne  -  I'm  going  to  try  &  send  you  a  private  reply,  not  been  on  this  site  for  a  long  time  so  I'm  a  little  rusty ,  fingers  crossed  ...........  Yvonne
Title: Re: Victoria(possibly but area not def) death+marriage-SMEE, Winifred
Post by: sarah on Thursday 27 September 18 20:36 BST (UK)
Hello Yvonne,

Please do not forget that new members do not have full access to all RootsChat functions until they have made a couple of posts....is the information you want to share so sensitive ????

Regards

Sarah