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Hi
Have found a baptism for a Robert John Smith, 17 AUG 1823, in St Lawrence, Ramsgate, Kent.
If anyone has access to these records could they tell me if an occupation is mentioned for the father please?
Thanks
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Have found a baptism for a Robert John Smith, 17 AUG 1823, in St Lawrence, Ramsgate, Kent.
If anyone has access to these records could they tell me if an occupation is mentioned for the father please?
Sorry the church should be St Lawrence in Thanet, near Ramsgate, Kent.
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Hi
Sorry, no occupations given for any entry on that page.
Rosie
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Sorry I cant help with that Helen but have some other info you might not have?
Siblings of Robert John Smith, Christened St Lawrence, Kent, to JOHN/ELIZABETH Smith;
JOSEPH, 15 June 1815
SUSANNAH, 26 April 1818
JOHN EDWARD, 11 February 1821
1851 Census John E Smith is a Unm, Hosier/Outfitter, born c 1821 Ramsgate.
With him is Mother Elizabeth born c 1799 Canterbury, Kent
Address Harbour St
1841 in Harbour St age 20 with Elizh age 46.
1861 he is Married to Matilda G;
John E Smith, 40
Matilda G Smith, 34
Edward J C Smith, 4
Jesse M Smith, 2
Talbot W Smith, 6 Months
John Edward SMITH Marriage Reg March 1854 Greenwich, Matilda Gibson CROZIER on same page.
Maybe someone could look this up to confirm Fathers name/occp if Christening info for Robert Henry cant be found.
This may confirm John Snrs Occp from Robert Johns M/C (which I presume you have)
Trish :)
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St Alphege, Greenwich
19 January 1854
John Edward Smith occ Hosier resident St George Ramsgate, father John Smith occ Outfitter
Matilda Gibson Crozier resident Blackheath Hill father William Crozier occ Master Mariner
Both of full age.
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Thanks Rosie :)
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Hi
Thanks Trish and Rosie, unfortunately the info you found rules this baptism out as my Robert John Smith had a father John Smith who was a Block Maker.
Helen
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Ah well it may help someone else who is googling their Ancestors ;)
When/where/who did your Robert John Marry.
From Census when/where was he born?
Is is the one who is in Glous from 1851 Census on?
Trish :)
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Hi
My Robert John Smith was a stoker/fireman/ships engineer who married Jane Ward in 1841 in Milton-next-Gravesend, Kent, and they had several children in Shadwell, Stepney and Gravesend between 1845 and 1865.
I have not been able to trace him for sure in any census except 1841 when he said he was born in Kent. Also, being a mariner he is always away from home. Also I don't know where or when he died, except that his last known child was born 1865 and Jane is a widow by 1871.
Have tried online crew and passenger lists, and FreeBMD - but no luck yet.
Thanks for your help anyway
Helen
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Maybe he wasnt born Kent?
Possible?
1851 Census
Robert Smith born c 1822 , Visitor, 29, Mar, Mariner, born Ireland
Visiting the Pritchards in St Pancras, Middlesex
HO107/1497/387/17
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I would have thought that perhaps one of the biggest clues is that a witness to the marriage of Robert John SMITH in 1841 was a "George Caleb SMITH"
He could be George Caleb SMITH baptised 21 Oct 1810 St George in the East son of John SMITH, block maker and Rebecca of Meeting House Alley (born 27 Sep 1810).
Robert John SMITH baptised 19 Sep 1813 St George in the East (same parents and address) born 18 Jul 1813.
Casalguidi :)
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That is an excellent find Casalguidi ;D
Rosie
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Well done Caslaguidi. :)
George was a Blockmaker also from Census.
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Hi Guys
Many thanks for your help, this is great news as St Geo is this family's home turf.
Trish:
where did you find George in the census please?
casalguidi:
can I ask if you saw any others please?
Thanks
Helen
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St George in the East baptisms with parents named John SMITH and Rebecca:
George & Peter, twins 28 Oct 1804 sons of John SMITH, block and pump maker & Rebecca of Meeting House Alley, Old Gravel Lane (born 14 Sep 1804).
Rebecca Elizabeth 11 Jan 1807 (born 11 Feb 1806) same occupation and address
Peter Bartholomew 9 Mar 1808 (born 12 Feb 1808) same occupationand address
Casalguidi :)
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George Smith born c 1810 St George, Middlesex is still living there in 1851, Occp Block Maker
Wife Elizabeth born c and 2 Children George 6, Rebecca 1.
HO107/1549/95/13
1861 he is Widowed and has another Daug Jane
Married Elizabeth BIBBY, 12 Oct 1840, Stepney, his Father is JOHN SMITH, occp ? Maker. lookss like Mast to me
(image is hard to make out but George Caleb has the same occp on image, so may have been put down incorrectly?)
Witnesses were J Burgess/Mary Ann Bibby
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Thanks Guys
Now also found George in 1871 and 1881.
Casalguidi:
do you have access to St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney please? Looking on the IGI there is a Rebecca Susannah Smith baptised 31 July 1814 to John and Rebecca, I am hoping she might be another sibling?
Thanks
Helen
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Helen, that one was a weaver from Colchester Street.
Yes, I think the 1840 marriage for George (and his father) says mast-maker too ......... the two occupations do go hand in hand.
Casalguidi :)
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Shame, I was hoping for another sibling!
I always wondered what type of blocks he made - now I know!
Thanks for your help
Helen