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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kilkenny => Topic started by: mike stg on Wednesday 02 March 11 23:52 GMT (UK)
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My name is Michael Patrick St.George. I was born & raised in Ottawa, Canada and I presently live in the USA. I have, God help me, been engaged in family history research and have discovered a substantial history in Ireland starting, I think, in the 1600's when various estates, and manor houses were owned by them.
My primary interest right now is an estate, manor house, and buildings in County Kilkenny called Woodsgift. It was located at Clomantagh area NW of Kilkenny town on present-day R693 between Freshford and Urlingford. It was destroyed by fire c.1914 and later torn down although a huge stone fortress-like farm building still stands as, I think, do other, smaller buildings, stone fenced exercise yards, etc.
It was a St.George residence and estate but I'm having a problem finding any
information of the various people, and generations who lived there and I'm wondering if anyone has knowledge re. same.
Thank you,
Mike St.George
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There's two St. George sisters listed on the 1911 census at the townland of Kilrush in the Electoral district of Clomantagh. The house they live stands out on the building return as it has 30 rooms - compared to the much smaller houses of the other occupants of the townland.
Harriet & Caroline St. George, Kilrush (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Clamantagh/Kilrush/532412/)
The owner of the property is a John St. George.
Here's the same house on the 1901 return : St. George household, Kilrush, Co. Kilkenny (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kilkenny/Clomantagh/Kilrush/1455830/)
Shane
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There's some brief notes listed for the area and the St. George family in Samuel Lewis topographical directory of 1837. The details appear under the civil parish of Clomanto/Clonmantagh.
See this link (http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/C/Clomanto-Cranagh-Kilkenny.php)
Shane
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There was quite an aristocratic family living in Ireland but with other houses in England as well ,named st George. I did a little research into them because I was interested in one, a young man killed in Belgium in October 1914 .
If you type in --Howard Avenel Bligh St George,--I forget if he was in The Houshold Cavalry or The Life guards ---you should find him.( What a glorious name).
His maternal grandfather was a wealthy American.His father was a land agent in Ireland.
There is a memorial stained glass window to him in Zillebeke Church, he is buried in the churchyard.
He was an old Etonian and in his early twenties. It may be he is not of the family you are researching but if he is the info on the site will be very useful.
You could look way back in RootsChat--- and find the thread somewhere late 2008.
Best of luck. I have a photo of him if he is your family.
Viktoria.
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Viktoria:
Yes, Howard Avenel was in fact a member of my ( rather distant ) mob. He was a Lieut. in the Life Guards and the son of Howard Bligh - 1857 and Florence Evelyn ( Baker ). He had brothers, George Baker Bligh - 1892, and Frederick Ferris Bligh - 1908.
And you are quite correct that there were a number of branches of the St.George family in Ireland. They originated, so it's said, in the Limoges, France area and crossed with, or not too long after, William The Conquer, ending up with an estatre, Hatley St.George in Cambridgeshire. 600 years later they had those estates in Ireland. There is much, much more to the St.George family history in England, Ireland and Canada ( and a little bit in the US ) but no time or space to put it here.
I certainly would like a copy of the photo you mentioned. Photos are very important to me in my research. I'm new to this site so I don't know how that's done, and I think they removed my email address from my original posting. Perhaps you know how to get the photo to me. I hope so.
Thanks very much for responding.
Mike St.George
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I have sent you a personal message Mike, with some details. I must add that I was greatly helped by other RootsChatters when I was trying to find out more about H.A.B.St.George. Cheeerio for now. Viktoria.
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I know someone who is related and researching them and has a lot of their data right up to the present time.... I've sent the link to this thread!
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I'm a newboy so I don't know what you mean when you say "you've sent the link to this thread ".
There was nothing on your posing that I could see. Was that an error or am I supposed to do something to get to the link ?
Thanks,
Mike St.George
Second part of Reply #7 of today 17:32
I haven't a clue. Who's talking to whom in these postings? What am I supposed to be doing to " gain the link to this thread " and what 's on that link ?
Mike St.George
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I believe that Dave (aka Hallmark) has emailed a link to this thread to the person he mentioned. Hopefully they will be interested and reply here.
Shane
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Yes, that's correct Shane.
My main interest of research is in Co. Monaghan, and came across where Arthur St. George M.A. was installed Rector of Tydavnet on 13th Sept 1706, when I looked him up it gave the family connections/pedigree across families in Derry/Dublin/Monaghan/Kilkenny/Fermanagh.
I sent these to someone who is researching them but don't have them saved on my PC.
It's the www.rootschat address (link) above I sent to them.
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hallmark, back in September 2008 a lot of info was posted after I had asked about this family which was very helpful to me in my search for Howard Avenel Bligh St George.
It was on the Ireland site and was under the heading "St George family in Ireland"
I think Mike stg will find it very interesting.
I need to get a photo to Mike but am not conversant how to do it and would probably muck it up if I did so I am waiting for help from my family. Hopefully not too long to wait.
I have not yet traced a slim book about H.A.B.St.G which was on sale in the WW1 museum Ypres. I am still kicking myself for not buying it when I saw it. Out of print now. Viktoria.
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http://www.landedestates.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/family-list.jsp?letter=S has some St George data.
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Michael St George
b. 1819 Kilkenny
d. 30/3/1904 Marion, Olmsted Co Minnesola
Spouse; Julia Kelly
b. 1820 Kilkenny
Married; 1844 New York
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Jack
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My Name is Patrick St George and I live in a small town in NSW in Australia called Narrandera.
My St George ancestor was named John St George and he came from Kilkenny to Australia with his wife, Ann Watts, on a ship called the "Runnymead" in 1842. He would have been about 23 at the time. He died in Sydney in 1864. So far I haven't been able to trace him back further than this. Perhaps there is someone out there who can help?
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Hi
I live up the road from Kilrush, which is where the St. George family live. Their ancestor was a soldier in General Abel Warren's troup who came to Kilkenny fighting in Cromwell's army. Many soldiers in Cromwell's army received land in Ireland in lieu of payment for fighting in the New Model army. The family have lived there since the middle of the 17th century - it was a way to keep order in Ireland after Cromwell conquered the island and to pay off the soldiers.
The house can be rented through the Hidden Houses association - this is a link to it.... http://www.ihh.ie/houses/34/Kilrush-House/index.cfm.
You can see the house and there are some interesting photos of it here.... http://www.ihh.ie/houses/34/Kilrush-House/index.cfm
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Hi my name is Anne Marie Hiskey nee St George and I come from Doolin Co Clare Ireland. My father Gerard St George is from Ballyvaughan Co Clare. Our ancestors came from Galway and in Kilcolgan there is a manor which belonged to Charles St George. The manor is Tyrone House. I have been told that Charles housed the Black and Tans here during the troubles and it was burnt by the local IRA.
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I replied to this in 2011 (No. 13 on page 2). Not much seems to have happened since then. I joined a St George family group on FT DNA and am currently waiting for the results of Y DNA testing. The other members of the group originate from France via Canada whereas My roots are in Kilkenny in Ireland. If there is another St George from Kilkenny or anywhere else in Ireland for that matter, who is researching their roots then it would be really good if one of the St George males was also to have a Y DNA test done to look for possible connections. If you are interested then go to FT DNA and look for St George and go from there. Patrick St George.
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Links to grave inscriptions at St Lachtains church, Freshford
http://historicgraves.com/st-lachtain-s/kk-stlt-0035/grave
http://historicgraves.com/graveyard/st-lachtain-s/kk-stlt
See page 10 - grave numbers - 226, 227, 228, 242, 243, 246
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/index.jsp
Just put in St George in "name of deceased" space and click search, numerous St Georges :)
http://www.from-ireland.net/official-authorities-1834-kilkenny/
See under "Deputy Lieutenants", also "Magistrates"
http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=record&county=KK®no=12401305
Link for Kilrush House
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_St_George_Mansergh-St_George
http://www.amazon.com/St-George-Freshford-Gentry-Aristocracy-Kilkenny-ebook/dp/B004K6MDGO
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Plenty on them, all one has to do is search!
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http://homepage.eircom.net/~lawekk/HSESK.HTM
See Kilrush on this link to see references to St Georges back to mid 1700s
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1797 marriage in Dublin
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/28aa550552327
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/f44f9a0246907
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There is a chapter (Pages 202 - 215) about St George family of Freshford and Woodsgift in the book
"The Landed Gentry and Aristocracy of Kilkenny" by Art Kavanagh Vol 1 2004
Published by Irish Family Names, 11 emerald cottages, Grand Canal St, Dublin 4
Also at Market Sq, Bunclody, Co. Wexford.
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Thanks for the info. I have got an E copy of the book concerning the St George family in Freshford. There seems to be bits of it missing though and it doesn't give me the information I need to determine where my GGGrandfather, John St George born about 1820 in Kilkenny, fits in.
Pat St George
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Hi,
I am looking for any information on Sarah Quirke from Darby's Hill, Woodsgift. She married a William Oliver St. George, son of of Sir Richard Bligh St. George, of Woodsgift House.
Info on William Oliver:
William Oliver St. George was born on 19 March 1813.1 He was the son of Sir Richard Bligh St. George, 2nd Bt. and Harriet Kelly.2
He married SarahQuirk, daughter of Michael Quirk, on 23 November 1846.1 He died on 1 November 1884 at age 71.
Children of William Oliver St. George and Sarah Quirk
1. Richard Oliver St. George2 b. 15 Aug 1847, d. 12 Apr 1870
2. William Henry St. George2 b. 16 Feb 1849, d. 5 Feb 1875
3. Fanny Victoria St. George2 b. 7 Jun 1852, d. 30 May 1926
4. George Edward St. George+2 b. 22 Nov 1854, d. 29 Jul 1902
5. Robert St. George+2 b. 22 Aug 1856, d. 7 Dec 1939
6. Margaret St. George2 b. 30 Mar 1859, d. Aug 1882
7. Theophilus John St. George2 b. 7 Jul 1861, d. 9 Jul 1877
8. James Howard St. George+2 b. 17 Jun 1864, d. 30 Jan 1939
9. Hercules Frank St. George+2 b. 4 Nov 1867, d. 2 Jun 1938
10. John Arthur St. George+2 b. 4 Nov 1867, d. 21 Jun 1912
11. Marian Theodosia St. George2 b. 31 May 1871, d. 8 Dec 1876
I think that Sarah was sister to my Great Great Grandmother Anne Quirk. She was also from Darby's Hill and her father as far as I know was Michael Quirk of Darby's Hill. She was born around 1826. Darby's Hill is a very small townland across the road from the entrance gates to Woodsgift House. This house is where Anne Quirk resided until her death with her son Michael who was my great grandfather. He worked for the local landlord Michael Denn Keating as agent of Woodsgift House in late 19th century. He obtained some of the land of Woodsgift Estate and Balief Castle in the early 20th century and farmed with his sons until his death. His son Patrick farmed the land and reared his family until his death in 1984.
I am trying to trace the Quirk family and where they came from. Michael was baptised a Catholic but as far as I know Anne and Sarah were of Prodestant descent and all the Clomantagh Church records were burned in the fire in the turn of the last century so I have no way of obtaining her birth cert to confirm who her parents were.
Michael Quirk is down in Griffiths Valuation as owning a few acres and house in Darby's Hill in the 1850s. I am curious to know if the Denn Keating family or the St. George family give them this land as I really don't think they lived in Darby's Hill before the 1800s. My inkling is they were friends of either family or worked for them and they moved to Woodsgift in the 1800s from somewhere else. The Denn Keating family came from TenneyPark House in Kilkenny and Major Denn Keating was Micahel Denn Keatings father and in 1820s or 1830s he is noted on the tithe books as leasing a house and few acres off St. George in Darbys Hill, Woodsgift.
If you have any information on Sarah Quirk, maybe a photo or a birth cert, I would be grateful. She is the only link to Anne Quirks past that I could find and I am really intrigued to discover Anne Quirks heritage. Prehaps Anne worked in Woodsgift House or maybe Sarah's husband William Oliver was generous and gave Sarah's father some land and a house for him to reside in with his other daughter Anne.
I could be completely on the wrong track here, but my instinct tells me that I am moving in the right direction. I hope I am not putting you to any trouble.
Kind Regards and Best Wishes,
Mary Doyle Burke
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Welcome to Rootschat but registration of births in Ireland didn't start until 1864.
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Pedigree of the family of St. George.
Format: BOOK
Language: English
Published / Created: [S.l. : s.n., 19--?]
Subjects:
Saint George family
Notes: Physical description: 8 p. : coat of arms, geneal. table ; 22 x 28cm.
Call Number IR 9292 f 32
you could email jharte2 at nli.ie (no spaces!) and ask him the cost, quite reasonable I believe.
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I have just seen your post from 3 years ago. I don't have any direct connection to the St George family, but one of them married someone on my tree. However I do have Manx connections, and I thought you might like to know that Quirk(e) is a Manx name (fairly common I think), so your person may have come from there originally. Manx info is in UK censuses, but there is also a good Manx site, which I think is called i museum or something similar. There is a Manx family history facebook site: "Isle of Man Family History Society". It's link is https://www.facebook.com/groups/466196900237509/
I may be completely wrong, because I don't know if Quirk is also an Irish name, but I hope some of this is useful....if you ever see it!
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You may be interested to know that a Mary St. George (c.1730-1795), daughter of Lieut. Gen. Richard St. George (1670-1755), married Capt. James Mansergh of Macroney, near Kilworth, Co. Cork, in 1749. She inherited Headford Castle in Co. Galway, where she established the Headford Lace industry. You can find more about that branch of the family on the Headford Lace Project website:
http://headfordlaceproject.ie/history/
During the mid-1770s, Mary was living in Macroney and rented out Headford Castle. She died near Chester in England in 1795.