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Title: William Mason Mallinson - Looking for 1st marriage
Post by: Firehorse on Saturday 05 March 11 06:00 GMT (UK)
Hello,  I need to fill in some gaps about another one of my ancestors (previously I'd written about his cousin Marmaduke Bevans who also emigrated to Canada). 

William Mason Mallinson b.  4 May 1886 Camberwell, London, England  is a bit of a mystery. 

He emigrated to Canada in 1894 according to the 1916 Canada (Medicine Hat) Census.  He worked for the Canadian Pacific Railway as a Brakeman. 

Interestingly, I found a 1940 Border Crossing doc.  (mis-transcribed on the website as William 'Beson' Mallinson) from residence Lethbridge, Alberta into Sweetgrass, Montana, which indicates he landed on the continent at Portland, Maine on the SS Dominion 1898 (which differs from the census emigration date of 1894).  I checked the passenger lists for this ship in 1898, but could find no one that fits. 

The trouble is, he would have been only about 8 when he emigrated in 1894, yet his parents William Mason Mallinson (Sr.) and Alice Louisa Vickery) remained in England.  (His parents evidently split up).

On 21 October 1914, WMM Jr. married May Johnson in Fernie, British Columbia and their marriage doc. indicates that he was a widower.  However, I am unable to determine who his first marriage was to.  I did find a 1913 border crossing into Buffalo, U.S. for a William Mallinson whose age matches, and occupation a brakeman for the railroad whose wife is noted as being a Jean Mallinson and their residence was Toronto.  I'd found a death for a Jean Mallinson, but this York, Ontario death is in 1929, but her husband is noted as being a William Mallinson.  However, WMM Jr. had married May Johnson by 1914, so the info clashes. 

In 1920, WMM Jr.'s mother, Alice Louisa (nee Vickery) Mallinson emigrated to Canada to join WMM Jr. in Medicine Hat and she intended to be with her son there.  (I haven't been able to find her death.)

WMM Jr. died in Kelowna 26 December 1970, yet I can't find his second wife May's death. 

I'd love to be able to fill in the details of his earlier life in Canada.  I'm not sure if he was a 'home child', though his family in England weren't exactly pennyless, but without a passenger list,  I can't determine if he came to Canada solo or with some organization. 

If anyone can help fill in any of these gaps with fresh eyes :o, it would be really helpful!

Thanks!

Jilly

Title: Re: William Mason Mallinson - Looking for 1st marriage
Post by: susano on Saturday 05 March 11 07:30 GMT (UK)
Hi Jilly,

On the 1906 Canada Census, there is a William Mallinson, age 23, born in England, working as a hired man in Marquette, Manitoba.  The immigration year is transcribed as 1905.  The head of the household is George McIntosh.

On the Atlantic Ports Passenger Lists, there is a William Mallinson, age 14, born in London, England, aboard the Vancouver, sailing from Liverpool arriving Portland, Maine, on March 4, 1901.  He was destined to Toronto, Ontario.

The border crossings may be for 2 different William Mallinsons.  The physical description is slightly different from the Sweet Grass one (5' 11", medium complexion, grey hair, brown eyes) and the Buffalo one (5' 9-1/2", fair complexion, brown hair, blue eyes).  The place of birth is different also.

Susan
Title: Re: William Mason Mallinson - Looking for 1st marriage
Post by: susano on Saturday 05 March 11 08:13 GMT (UK)
On the 1911 Canada Census for Marquette, Manitoba, there is a Wm. (surname transcribed as Moulens).  The original image is difficult to read but could be Moulson (which sounds similar to Mallinson).  The birth month and year are May 1885.  He's a farmer, born England and the immigration year is 1902.  Possibly the same person I found in Marquette on the 1906 Census.

Susan
Title: Re: William Mason Mallinson - Looking for 1st marriage
Post by: valeriec on Saturday 05 March 11 15:23 GMT (UK)
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/index-e.html

You can check the Soldiers of the First World War at this site. There are 18 Mallinsons listed that served with the CEF in WW1. If you think this is your William, you can order his complete military file from this site.
William Mallinson
Reg. # 500335
b. Westmorland, england, Nov 5th, 1883
occupation: telephone expert
Next of Kin: wife, Agatha May Mallinson
served previously in Cumberland and Westmorland Imp. Yeomanry, 3 yrs?
enlisted August 27, 1915 Olds, alberta
height 5' 7", dark complexion, gray eyes, dark hair, religion - Church of England

You may be looking at more than one William Mallinson. the best advice that I can give is too get as much information as possible and then get the BMD's documents, military files, passenger lists and then try to determine what information matches up to determine if you are dealing with more than one person. Something to keep in mind is that age really meant nothing so they changed the year of birth quite readily but usually used the same day and month. If you are only using transcribed records try to get the originals as they ususally have more information.
Title: Re: William Mason Mallinson - Looking for 1st marriage
Post by: valeriec on Saturday 05 March 11 15:25 GMT (UK)
At the site listed above you can also check

Home children (1869-1930)
there are 4 Mallinson's listed but not a William

Western Land Grants (1870-1930)
has one for a William Mallinson
Title: Re: William Mason Mallinson - Looking for 1st marriage
Post by: valeriec on Saturday 05 March 11 15:28 GMT (UK)
You can check for passenger lists at
http://www.ancestorsonboard.com

http://www.ellisisland.org/

I sometimes have better luck using only the surname
Title: Re: William Mason Mallinson - Looking for 1st marriage
Post by: valeriec on Saturday 05 March 11 15:35 GMT (UK)
http://automatedgenealogy.com

You can check the 1901 and 1911 census at this site. Using the spit screen, you can view the original documents. This site will also give you alternative spellings that you can merge to help in your search.

1911 Census/Medicine Hat, Alberta
has
Arthur Mallinson, b. Oct. 1877, age 34, England, Anglican, S. foreman ?, CPR Shops, no immigration date given
Mable T., b. April 1880, age 31, USA, imm 1907
Dorothy, b. Feb 1908, age 3, Alberta
Robert, b. May 1911, Alberta

Is it possible that this is a relative of William and that William may have gone to his brother in Medicine Hat. I can't find William on the 1911 census but it is possible that he was missed.
Title: Re: William Mason Mallinson - Looking for 1st marriage
Post by: valeriec on Saturday 05 March 11 15:40 GMT (UK)
If you go to the Ancestors On Board site above
Wm. Mallinson, b. 1887, 1901 Liverpool to USA, Portland

this is a pay site but it may be worthwhile to buy the credits and see what information is given. He would have been 14 so perhaps was traveling with another person.
Title: Re: William Mason Mallinson - Looking for 1st marriage
Post by: valeriec on Saturday 05 March 11 15:52 GMT (UK)
If William Mason Mallinson died in Kelowna in 1970 I would contact the Okanagan Public Library and see if they could look for an obituary for him.
Okanagan Public Library
http://www.orl.bc.ca/

This is where you would find information on his burial if he was buried in Kelowna
Memorial Park Cemetery Office
1991 Bernard Avenue
Kelowna, BC
V1Y 9V7

or e-mail
cityparks@kelowna.ca
Title: Re: William Mason Mallinson - Looking for 1st marriage
Post by: Firehorse on Saturday 05 March 11 16:47 GMT (UK)
I've just woke up  this morning to find all your message, Susano and Valeriec.  Thanks again for all your help.  I've got my work cut out for me and will take a look at everything you have provided here.  It does look like from the descriptions of the two Mallinson border crossings that they are different individuals, and both working for the railroad to make matters worse! 

The Medicine Hat Mallinson who married May Johnson is definitely the correct one because of the 'Mason' middle name.  (Transcribed as 'Beson' in the border crossing). 

I checked some of the Home children databases, yet couldn't find the correct William Mallinson either. 

I'd found that Arthur Mallinson b. 1877 England living in Medicine Hat too and had wondered if he was a relative of William's, and tried to go back to see if there was a link.  I couldn't find one at the time, but will try again.  It seems a bit coincidental that they both lived in Medicine Hat and later British Columbia (where Arthur died) and worked for the CPR too. 

I'm going to sit down and go through what you have advised and try to sort them out. 

Thanks to your both again for your advice.  It's good to have other opinions and advice when you hit a brickwall. 

Best wishes,

Jilly
Title: Re: William Mason Mallinson - Looking for 1st marriage
Post by: cosmac on Saturday 05 March 11 17:04 GMT (UK)
The Lethbridge Herald has an archived newspaper site (unfortunately it is not a free site now).  If you search for William Mason Mallinson and start narrowing down the years there seems to be one reference to him in 1940. 

Debbie
Title: Re: William Mason Mallinson - Looking for 1st marriage
Post by: susano on Saturday 05 March 11 17:23 GMT (UK)
The William Mallinson referred to in reply 3 died in BC also as did his wife, Agatha May (nee Currie) so I think this is a different family.

There are quite a few William (Wm) Mallisons on passenger lists.  With reference to the wife Jean that you found, there is a passenger list entry of her return to Canada in 1923 from a visit to the UK.  She is destined to her husband in Toronto.  Her documents say she immigrated in 1911.  I found a William (occupation Railway Porter) with wife transcribed as Fergie and 2 sons on a passenger list in 1911.  This same family (I believe) minus one child appears on another list in 1914.

I agree with Valeriec's suggestion that you need to gather the information and then sort it out.  I do believe there's more than one William Mallinson family.

Susan
Title: Re: William Mason Mallinson - Looking for 1st marriage
Post by: Firehorse on Saturday 05 March 11 17:45 GMT (UK)
Hello again,  Thanks for your new messages. 

Cosmac,  I just checked The Lethbridge Herald which is on my Ancestry subscription and though I'd tried it before using the full name without results, I tried just William Mallinson this time and some info has just come up.  Firstly I've found a marriage for a Dorothy May Mallinson in 1941 to a Mr. and Mrs. W M Mallinson of Lethbridge.  May was WMM's wife's first name so there must be a link.  Also the 1940 border crossing of WMM which mentions wife May coincides with them living in Lethbridge at the time as described in the newspaper article.  This must be them.  It comes complete with a photo of the newlyweds too! 

Susan, from what I found it seems that this Jean Mallinson was from Scotland and I'd seen the reference to a Fergie too.  The Railroad occupations seem to vary from Brakeman to Railway Porter and to Train conductor (Train conductor occupation referred in the 1940 Lethbridge to Montana border crossing which is for certain WMM). 

As you say, I'll have to take a sit down and sort through the William Mallinson 'look-a-likes' and sort which one could be ours so that I can trace back to WMM's early years in Canada. 

The William Mallinson b. 1887 heading over from Liverpool to Portland USA 1901 seems to tally with the Lethbridge 1940 border crossing doc. though the year of emigration for that shows as 1898 on the SS Dominion. 

I'm going to take a look at the Lethbridge Herald again and see what else there is for him. 

Thanks for your help again, all the info, I'm sure, will build a bigger picture to find out more on him.

Jilly
Title: Re: William Mason Mallinson - Looking for 1st marriage
Post by: susano on Monday 07 March 11 07:47 GMT (UK)
You can search Medicine Hat city directories at this site:
http://peel.library.ualberta.ca/bibliography/3895.html

I did a search of the surname Mallinson in the Newspaper section of the above website and found a listing in the Wetaskiwin Times for the death of a Clara Mallinson in 1911...husband was W.M. Mallinson.  I wonder if she was the first wife?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c5s/

Susan
Title: Re: William Mason Mallinson - Looking for 1st marriage
Post by: Firehorse on Monday 07 March 11 15:10 GMT (UK)
Hi Susan,  I think you have found her - the first wife -  It must be her with the mention of W M Mallinson and it seems that WMM had links to B.C. during his life. 

Thank you so much for finding this.  It was driving me batty not being able to find anything on this marriage, or even where it took place. 

I'll also have a look at the Med. Hat directories you provided the link for. 

Thanks very much!! ;D ;D ;D

Jilly
Title: Re: William Mason Mallinson - Looking for 1st marriage
Post by: charliecat on Thursday 01 September 11 21:23 BST (UK)
Hello there, just signed up and saw your post. I'm a decendant of Alice Vickery who married Wm Mason Mallinson (1859 - 1928). I have a copy of his death cert (which was reported by his sister) but could find nothing further on Alice after her emmigration to British Columbia. I just wondered if you ever managed to find out any further informaiton on her?
Kind regards
Amanda Osborne (nee Vickery)
Title: Re: William Mason Mallinson - Looking for 1st marriage
Post by: Firehorse on Friday 02 September 11 21:43 BST (UK)
Hello Amanda,  Welcome to Rootschat and thanks for your message.  I have been doing some research on this family with a fellow researcher.  Unfortunately, we haven't been able to find out anything further on what happened to Alice.  I have a record of her arriving in Canada April 1920, aged 60, to see her son and she referenced her husband William Mallinson as her nearest relative in England, though it appears that her husband and her were seperated as he was living with Mary Jane Trowbridge in 1911 in Maida Vale, Paddington and his and Mary's son Kenneth Alec Mallinson. 

I haven't been able to trace Alice's footsteps in Canada at all and so it has remained a mystery whether she stayed in Canada, or perhaps went back to England.  There doesn't seem to be any evidence of her being buried in Lethbridge, Medicine Hat, Alberta or British Columbia from the cemetery records we have looked at, though her son lived in these areas. 

I have more information in my tree and if I can help further, I'd be happy to do so, please message or PM me. 

Best wishes,

Jilly
Title: Re: William Mason Mallinson - Looking for 1st marriage
Post by: charliecat on Sunday 04 September 11 22:02 BST (UK)
Hi Jilly, Thanks for coming back so quickly. Unfortuntely I can't PM you until I've done 3 postings :-(

Alice & her husband William seem to be a bit elusive. I have nothing to suggest she came back to England. In fact it's almost as if her family lose contact with her after her marriage. 

Did you manage to find a cemetey ref for William in Chichester? Maybe I could go & have a look. It's strange that his death in Chichester was reported by his sister who lives in London. I wonder where Mary was?

I'd also love to know if Cecil Willliam Mallinson (born 1885) and his family also emmigrated to British Columbia, I can only trace them in the UK to the 1911 Census.

Thanks for your help
Best wishes
Amanda
Title: William Mason Mallinson
Post by: Firehorse on Sunday 04 September 11 22:50 BST (UK)
Hi Amanda,  I haven't been able to find a cemetery listing for William Mason Mallinson in Chichester unfortunately, so nothing totally solid there.  You mentioned you have his death certificate.  Whereabouts exactly did he die in Chichester?  It seems far from where he was living in Paddington, London in 1911 with Mary. 

Have you been able to track down a marriage for him to Mary at all.  It seemed that he never really divorced Alice and they just became estranged.  It just comes to an abrupt dead-end when she goes to Canada.  I'd really love to know if she stayed (though as mentioned before, there are no burials found yet for her despite our efforts to find them and Alberta, Canada's privacy laws are very restrictive when trying to get records for BMD's.)  I'm not sure either if she came back to England, given the brutal winters we have here in Alberta!!   

As for Cecil William Mallinson, there is a reference for what could very possibly be him in 1926 living at 5 St. Leonard's Road, Ealing, Middlesex (looking at 1926 Kelly's Directory).  In 1916, he was with the Bedfordshire Regiment according to the London Gazette.  He married Evelyn Lucy Crawley December 21, 1907 in Ealing and they had two children:  Bernard Cecil Mallinson b.1909 and Cedric Howard Mallinson b. 1912 (who emigrated to NZ and later lived in Aus.)  I don't have a death for Cecil, nor his wife Evelyn, yet, so I don't know what happened to them post-1926. 

Kind regards,

Jilly



Title: Re: William Mason Mallinson - Looking for 1st marriage
Post by: charliecat on Monday 05 September 11 22:22 BST (UK)
Hi Jilly,

Should be able to PM after this post.  :)

The death certificate for WMM  Snr states the following:
Died: 19/8/1928, 15 South Bank U.D. Age:69.  Retired Stationer. Informer: C Rogers, sister, Lyndhurst Square, Camberwell, London

I've looked up the address & it is in Chichester. I don't know if he had a sister with C as an initial for her first name.

I haven't been able to find any marriage details for him & Mary, I will have another look. I may need to get a copy of Kenneth's birth certificate if I can't find anything else although it seems Alice still considered WMM to be her husband after Kenneth's birth. All very confusing. I've checked the online UK divorce records but drew a blank.

I will keep digging around this side of the pond to see if I can come up with anything else on Alice.

Thank you for the information on Cecil & his children. If I find out any more I'll let you know.

Best wishes
Amanda
Title: Re: William Mason Mallinson - Looking for 1st marriage
Post by: valeriec on Monday 05 September 11 23:20 BST (UK)
Has anyone tried to find descendants in British Columbia or Alberta. There is an on-line telephone directory that you can use to send off some inquiries by mail. Someone living in those two provinces may have some info to share.
www.canada411.ca

Also, local libraries tend to have information that is not available on the internet and most also have a section called Ask a Librarien. They will have access to local newspapers, books, etc.

Also, free bmd has a birth registration
1st Quarter, March 1900
Mallinson, Kenneth alec, Reading
Vol 2c page 372

Is it possible that there was an ongoing affair between William and Mary while he stayed married to Alice. At some point he did live with Mary but probably never divorced and remarried. It is also probable that William and Mary split before his death. Divorce was extremely uncommon and hard to obtain in the early 1900's no matter what country you lived in. Free BMD doesn't show a marriage between them or a death for a Mary Mallinson or Trowbridge.

The 1921 census of Canada will be available after 2013 for transcription so you may find some information after the census is made available.
Title: Re: William Mason Mallinson - Looking for 1st marriage
Post by: Firehorse on Monday 05 September 11 23:41 BST (UK)
Hi Amanda,  Yes, WMM had a sister called Constance Mary Emma Mallinson, who married Arthur Clement Rogers.  So it must be Constance Rogers on the death cert.  Lyndhurst Square in Camberwell London seems very familiar too, so will have to check  .....Just checked, that's the address where Alice Vickery said her husband WMM lived on the form when she went over to Canada in 1920.  I actually have a picture of what it looks like in present day which I can send to you. 

It is all a bit confusing about the son Kenneth and Alice's estrangement from her hubby, WMM, so it would be good to get some more details.

Will look forward to hearing further from you, Amanda.  I've made contact with Marion and have opened up my tree for her to see.  Talk again soon.

Thanks, Valeriec, for you help with this.  I have been looking, with another researcher into the B.C. and Alberta end of the descendants. 

I'll look forward to the 1921 Canada census to be released.  I didn't realize it would be so early.  That certainly will answer some questions. 

Kind regards,

Jilly

Title: Re: William Mason Mallinson - Looking for 1st marriage
Post by: Linda80 on Friday 25 August 17 01:52 BST (UK)
You have questions about my grandparents. I can likely answer them all. William's first wife was Olive. She is buried in the Catholic cemetery in Millet, Alberta.