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My 3x great grandfather was the Rev John Cockin who was minister at the Lane Independent Chapel at Holmfirth for 43 years from 1806-1849. Although he died in Halifax, he asked to be buried at Holmfirth and the newspaper report of his funeral confirms that he was.
I've discovered that the church is no longer used, but does anyone know if the graveyard is still there? I can't find much about the church - any info about it would be most welcome as I'd love to go and try to find his grave.
I'm hoping that his wife (Abigail Maria nee Kirby)is also buried with him - the only mention I can find of historical documents from the chapel refers to baptisms (Huddersfield District Family Society) so I don't know where to go next.
Any help gratefully received!
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Correction - I'm getting my Cockins mixed up! John's wife was Mary nee Bovingdon (his son Joseph was married to Abigail Maria).
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Hi
I have only seen baptisms for the Holmfirth Lane chapel but a lot of the nonconformist registers are missing so they could have had burials. They did burials at the Holmfirth Wesleyan and they started in 1849 or a lot of chapel goers were buried in the main church.
You could try the Huddersfield Libraries Local History department, more records are being made available all the time and they might be able to help
regrads
John
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Am I correct in thinking the chapel was actually in Upperthong?
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Yes
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You may have already seen this, but The Rev Cockin is mentioned a couple of times in the Annals of the Church and Parish of Almondbury, available to read online.
http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/charles-augustus-hulbert/annals-of-the-church-and-parish-of-almondbury-yorkshire-blu/page-34-annals-of-the-church-and-parish-of-almondbury-yorkshire-blu.shtml
Sandra
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Thanks very much, all of you - I'm glad to know I wasn't just being feeble not finding the burial records! I'll get in touch with the library and see if they know anything.
The church seems to have been in Upperthong Lane - do you know if the graveyard is still there? If so, is it possible to visit and search?
Thanks also for the link Sandra - yes, I had seen it. He is mentioned in several ecclesiastical papers, one I discovered last week which said his wife was of Huguenot descent, a fact I didn't know. It also said his son Joseph was "a great reformer of land laws" and a soldier at Woolwich, which again is the first mention I've come across - obviously lots more research to do!
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The Chapel is indeed in Upperthong Lane. Some parts of the graveyard remain but are fenced off. I seem to recall that access is possible, but can't remember the details.
Ask perhaps at the Tourist Info. Office in Holmfirth.
Also, St John's Church is further up road with big graveyard.
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Thank you - very helpful info.
I've contacted both the Holmfirth Tourist Office and Huddersfield Family History Society to see if anyone can help. If I can find out where the grave is likely to be, we can come over one weekend and have a search around - hoping access is allowed!
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I just have the recollection that chapel has been converted into a private house and that the graveyard is in front of it but closed off- still can't recall what the access arrangements are.
Will try to nip over to have a look tomorrow to refresh my memory and then report back.
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Thank you so much - as a newcomer to Rootschat, the help and info I've received has been brilliant.
I wonder who now owns the land of the graveyard? Also, do you have any idea who will have the burial records for the church? I'd like to find out more about his wife Mary as all I know is her name, their marriage date plus the supposition that she must have died quite young as John Cockin is on his own in every later census.
Looking forward to hearing from you, and thanks once again.
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Hi
I managed to get to the Huddersfield library and had a look at there catalogue and there is some king of grave register for Lane chapel but some kind person seems to have but them in the wrong place or spirited them away.
I will try again the next time I'm in the library
John
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Thank you so much - so near and yet so far!
I've had responses from both Huddersfield FHS and the library, and have discovered that the chapel is now converted into flats, with the graveyard forming part of the outdoor space for them. My contact wasn't sure about access but is very kindly going to make enquiries for me.
I also know that John's wife Mary died along with 4 of their daughters in an epidemic, presumably before 1841 as he is on his own in the census. He was buried along with them at Holmfirth. So far I've only found 2 of his daughters so I hope either grave records or possibly a trip to try and find the grave will give me details of the missing children.
Thaks again for your help,
Angela
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Hi
Managed to find the fiches in the Huddersfield Library. (someone had put them in with the Hosreforth records)
The interment book is very hard to read but I did find the Rev. John Cockin's entry; interment 1861 Rev John Cockin 43 years minister of Lane Chapel Holmfirth who died on Thursday the 17 Oct and was buried there on the 23 Oct 1861.
There seems to be a couple of earlier entries but they are just about unreadable. I think they say Mrs Cockin and Cockin child and there isn't any dates.
I also looked in the Sextons book but I didn't see anything, parts of them are unreadable too so no luck.
I looks in the Huddersfield Weekly Examiner and in the 26 October 1861 there is a fair size obit but no mention of his wife.
After spending all the time looking for the fiches I only had time to look through a couple of baptisms and I found this one
Joseph Cockin of John & Mary Cockin of Lane Uppertong born 18 March 1817 baptised 3 July 1817.
I noticed that a Leonard Cockin had some children baptised at the chapel around the same period and his wife is down as a Mary so there could be two Mary Cockin's in the same area so you will have to be careful.
John
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Visited Holmfirth today- always pleased to go back to my birthplace.
There are 2 graveyards for Lane Chapel:
1 immediately in front of the former chapel building in Upperthong Lane, but it is now a private garden, screened by a bamboo palissade, through which it looks as if the memorial stones have been preserved- not sure how you would negotiate access.
2nd, bigger main graveyard is slightly above the chapel and lies between Upp. Lane and the main road, Parkhead Road. It is well-kept but locked with notices on each gate saying that the key can be obtained fron Holmfirth Tourist office or other enquiries to Trust +properties Sec.,United reformed Church, Somerset House, St. Paul's Street, Morley. LS27 9EP.
At the risk of appearing a bit cavalier, I would suggest that it should be quite easy to hop over the relatively low wall at the bottom of the Graveyard in Parkhead Rd. and thereby gain access - though the gates are locked, no other measures have been taken to keep people out.
Good Luck!
By the way, your Reverend would no doubt have baptised some of my own forebears.
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Wow. Thank you so much John and bykerlads - above and beyond!!
I only posted my tentative query 4 days ago, and I already have loads of information I didn't know, including interment date and the position of the graveyard.
John - thank you very much for all the microfiche reading. How frustrating it must be to find things, then to find them virtually unreadable. I have found the baptisms for some of his children at familysearch.org but no mention of the others. I too noticed Leonard & Mary Cockin - yet more difficulties in identifying the right one!
bykerlads - really specific info on the graveyard - thank you so much for your efforts and I think a trip to Holmfirth is definitely on the cards now. I looked at the street view on Google maps and I quite agree about the wall - but I'm not posting whether I will be climbing it.... Watch this space.
It would be handy to know which graveyard he's interred in, and I will contact the URC church but I don't imagine I'll find out. Fingers crossed.
Thanks once again, and if you ever need anything in the Fylde area of Lancs, just ask.
Angela
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Thaks to all the help I've received on this forum, I've made lost of progress in my hunt for John Cockin's grave.
I've had several communications from a very helpful lady at Huddersfield Library Local Studies who has searched burial and interment records for me. She can find no record of him in the larger graveyard, which we've interpreted as meaning he is probably buried in the smaller one - now the garden of private residences. The sexton's book of burials here is illegible, sadly, so we can't actually confirm it.
I've also heard from the URC church who oversees things, and learned that the small graveyard has some stones and is also a memorial garden with plaques. It should be possible to access with permission from the house opposite, allowed for "all authorised persons", ie. me!
Hopefully we will eventually get over to Holmfirth and have a look for ourselves - meanwhile, my sincere thanks to everyone here who offered suggestions and went and looked for me.
Angela
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In my earlier message I gave you the entry from the Interment book.
This came from the fiches in the local history department of the Huddersfield library so the staff should have been able to find it.
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John,
Sorry, my comment was misleading - what I meant was that we knew he was buried there (thanks to your research) but the staff could find no mention of a burial plot number or anything to say he was definitely in the larger graveyard. The larger one seems quite well documented but not the smaller one, hence the supposition that he is buried there. That is also borne out by the fact that it was the original graveyard and John is buried with Mary, who died many years before him.
I must remember to proof-read before posting.
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I thought the two books you are talking about were the sextons books for the new graveyard. Each book had slightly different entry's for the burial plots, it looked like one looked after one part of the graveyard while the other looked after another part. I might have been reading them wrong.
Never thought before but there could have been a plaque to the Reverend and his wife inside the chapel so you could ask the residents if they know anything. I usually send a nice letter with a stamp addressed envelop.
John
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Hi
Managed to spend a bit more time looking into the chapel records.
From your earlier message you are descended from Joseph Cockin who was born 18 March 1818, baptised at the chapel on the 3 July 1818, another two bothers and two sisters baptised at the chapel.
Also John Kirby Cockin son of Joseph & Abigail Maria Cockin of Bradford was born on the 21 October 1847 and baptised 7 February 1848.
I think one of his brothers also had a child baptised at the chapel he was John Garforth Cockin. (A John Garford Cockin was part of a team that first concured mount Shkhora, Georgia, Russia.)
I cannot find the Rev John Cockin's marriage or any baptism records for him and some of my findings seem to differ from some of the other research.
Regards
John
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The hunt continues for the grave of John Cockin and his family - we finally made it over to Holmfirth at the weekend!
We found what was the old chapel on Upperthong Lane is now a private house and not flats as we thought. Having knocked on the door and found the owner at home, he kindly agreed to let us look in his garden, which is indeed the former graveyard, with many stones still there, forming the steps, paths and bbq area! All the remains were re-interred many years ago, just leaving the stones. It is a beautiful garden, with the stones (some still standing) amongst rhododenrons, mature trees and modern garden equipment, but sadly our search revealed no clear grave for John Cockin.
There is one possibility - an upright stone forming part of a retaining wall, but only the top part is visible, with the words "In sacred memory" and Joh"showing. This COULD be his, but as he was put in the same grave as his wife Mary (who died many years before him) I suspect that the gravestone will have her name at the top. The owner was extremely helpful and has kept my details so he can let me know if he does find anything - but I don't think we'll ever know if this grave is the correct one, as the rest of that stone is buried under the patio!
Thanks again to everyone who researched and helped me track the spot down.
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Glad you had a good trip to Holmfirth and that you found residents helpful. good luck with your research- I'll keep a look out for anything that might be of use to you.
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Hello
Regarding Chapels converted into dwellings, or other premises, with a Cemetery or Graveyard, or burial sites with no building.
I am fairly certain that under past PPG (Planning Policy Guidance), relating to History and Heritage and the current NPPF (National Planning Policy Framework), see also Historic England (formerly English Heritage) advice online, that as part of the Planning permission, all the memorials ought to be recorded in writing and ALSO photographed and ALSO referenced to a Plan, before work starts and it should be on the Planning file, many Councils have these files, or Plans going back over 100 years.
They are also required to keep Planning Files, so don't be fobbed off.
Any Memorial disturbed, covered etc., should have a permanent record made, this applies to floors, walls, graveyards and even where the building is not Listed, or there is no building anymore. Planning should have this info.
Email the Council Planning Dept currently responsible for Planning Applications where the Chapel stands, also email the Council's Planning Conservationist and also email the County Planning Archaeologist and HER (Historic Environment Record) you should find their contact emails online.
Mark
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I am told, by Law that on/with Property Deeds, a record of everyone buried there MUST be recorded, so if the planning authority have granted permission (after the change in this Law) for the Chapel to become a dwelling and no Burial Register/s covering the whole burial period, is/are known. The Planning Dept., MUST have commissioned an authorised Survey of all the headstones, BEFORE any work commenced.
Also, council's have planning responsibilities to record Memorials at and around the property, when a planning application comes before them, whether the building is Listed or not and also make any planning conditions about what can/cannot be done in the future as well, with the memorials.
You should also find in the chapel conversion planning application, a 'change of use' from Cemetery to garden, where the pre application Survey might be, if not with the main planning application.
If the council try to argue, there is no change of use application to garden, then the Memorials in the garden, ought to be exactly as they were - pre planning application.
I would be most surprised and shocked indeed, if some are now under a patio and nobody has an authorised record of the memorials. You could say a 'grave failing', if you pardon the pun.
Regards Mark
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LANE- was/is an area of Holmfirth (Not as name of a road or lane as a road on its own)
See map Upperthong lane (The area name LANE on map is just above the LANE chapel on the 1850's map in link)
http://maps.nls.uk/view/100949153
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.5693102,-1.7894811,18.1z
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"The History and Topography of the Parish of Kirkburton and of the Graveship of Holme including Holmfirth", by H J Morehouse (1861
Holmfirth Lane Independent Chapel
Burials pre 1850
Not available. Some were recorded by HJ Morehouse
information about the area and its people in the mid 19th century, including some unique lists of monumental inscriptions including those at the original burial ground for Lane
http://www.familiesrevealed.com/page11.htm
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http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/WEST-RIDING/1999-06/0929958992
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It would eventually be interesting to know if the local council/planning dept can produce the relevant records - they are currently not known for their competence or speedy actions!
PS (not relevant to Lane Chapel which is/was indeed on the road up from Holmfirth to Upperthong, but there is also a hamlet not far away also called Lane: it is just beyond Holme village on the road to Holme Moss)
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between Upp. Lane and the main road, Parkhead Road.
Not nitpicking but isn't the main road Greenfield Road?
with many stones still there, forming the steps, paths and bbq area!
Personally I feel this is an awful thing to do, much time & money was spent, often by people who could ill afford it, on memorial stones. Even if the descendants no longer visit, I feel it is disrespectful to wear away the 'evidence'. Why not stand them all upright around the edge? The same has happened in the small garden by the river in Holmfirth; many stones which have been legible for centuries - even in Yorkshire weather :o - will be worn away in a few decades by heavy pedestrian traffic.
I live extremely near to Lane Chapel cemetery & would be willing to photograph stones, with landowner's permission of course, for anyone. Perhaps in the summer I may ask their permission to photograph all the stones & make a file of MIs, although it would be very useful to know if the procedures detailed by Mark & dobfarm were actually carried out.
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From Street view Google map -zoom in through thr gate of the Lane Chapel graveyard
Note;- The hoes pipe and flowers around, also the old flat stone memorial inscription on a flat stone gravestone in the path. Thus if any older than 1850's gravestone existed there, one would think they would still be there.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.5690738,-1.7923256,3a,53.9y,184.04h,61.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sStWkNOUi-8pfuDdUlOGcrQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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There are chickens in there sometimes as well. I pass it almost every day.
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Reminder -Burial record John Cockin died October 1861 and should be in the records
Holmfirth, Lane C WYK1080 burials 1858-1984 held at Kirklees WYAS or on film in the Huddersfield library
Noting he was a long serving minister one would think a memorial would be in the chapel
http://www.archives.wyjs.org.uk/documents/archives/Collections%20Guide%202.pdf
Scroll down the link to numbers 377 & 378
http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/charles-augustus-hulbert/annals-of-the-church-and-parish-of-almondbury-yorkshire-blu/page-34-annals-of-the-church-and-parish-of-almondbury-yorkshire-blu.shtml
John Cockin, 1806, his labours continued longer than any of his pre-
decessors ; he resigned in 1849. During his ministry the Chapel
was twice enlarged, the Chapel House enlarged, two Schoolrooms
built, and additional Burial Ground bought
That addition burial ground maybe the one further up Upperthong lane on the left opposite the Anglican churchyard
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http://catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/advanced.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog
2nd post 1857 burial ground - exact location where - ? (reminder John Cockin died 1861)
I am told, by Law that on/with Property Deeds, a record of everyone buried there MUST be recorded, so if the planning authority have granted permission (after the change in this Law) for the Chapel to become a dwelling and no Burial Register/s covering the whole burial period, is/are known. The Planning Dept., MUST have commissioned an authorised Survey of all the headstones, BEFORE any work commenced.
Also, council's have planning responsibilities to record Memorials at and around the property, when a planning application comes before them, whether the building is Listed or not and also make any planning conditions about what can/cannot be done in the future as well, with the memorials.
You should also find in the chapel conversion planning application, a 'change of use' from Cemetery to garden, where the pre application Survey might be, if not with the main planning application.
If the council try to argue, there is no change of use application to garden, then the Memorials in the garden, ought to be exactly as they were - pre planning application.
I would be most surprised and shocked indeed, if some are now under a patio and nobody has an authorised record of the memorials. You could say a 'grave failing', if you pardon the pun.
Regards Mark
http://catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=WYAS4197%2f2%2f1%2f21&pos=6
Read bottom paragraph in link below
http://catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=WYAS252&pos=4
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Hello BlackpoolBelle, dobfarm and All
I am most interested in your Rev. John Cockin being an Independent, because a "Jane Cockin" (according to another FindMyPast scan) appears as a Witness to my 4 times Gt. Grandfather George Hood's marriage at Selby Yorkshire 18 July 1815 (George born Yorks per 1841 Census) and we can find no Parish of Selby September 1845 burial record (including Society of Friends, Quakers), or no Selby Parish baptism either, suggesting George might be a dissenter.
It's a long shot, but if checking, if you come across George Hood who died 18 September 1845 or other Hood burials up to November 1879 (Sarah Hood), please let me know?
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Regarding Grave Memorials, they are considered important ...
Memorandum by English Heritage (CEM 80)
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200001/cmselect/cmenvtra/91/91m85.htm
It is interesting the importance that the Secretary of State's advisor English Heritage (now Historic England) was placing on graveyard memorials, see preamble (quoted below) on the above Parliament UK link. Also see part 2 (on link).
1. PREAMBLE
1.1 English Heritage welcomes the opportunity to submit a memorandum to the Environment Sub-committee expressing our views on cemeteries. Our comments are restricted to England although many of the general observations we make apply more widely. The heritage value of cemeteries is enormous. The issues they raise are wide-ranging and complex and involve ethical and religious considerations, respect for our ancestors, archaeological, architectural, historic and wildlife importance, open space, tourism and amenity value. Most of these issues and the management decisions that result from them are best dealt with at local level. It is in local cemeteries in the main that local people's loved ones, relations and ancestors lie and where they too will lie in time (as inhumations or cremations). It is also local communities that benefit most directly from the amenity value that cemeteries provide. But the future of cemeteries is not solely a local issue. Genealogists and descendants of buried people have an interest, even though they may now live far away from the cemetery in which their families lie. And national bodies have a responsibility to identify the most significant cemeteries when judged against national scales of importance, and participate in discussions about their future.
1.2 English Heritage's concerns and responsibilities, as the lead body within the historic environment sector, revolve primarily around the following: the evaluation of the historical and landscape significance of cemeteries and the individual components within them (such as cemetery chapels or memorials); the archaeological importance of the human remains they contain; the provision of guidance on evaluating historical and archaeological significance; providing advice on repair, maintenance and management; and the disbursement of grants for repair within available resources and our statutory remit. English Heritage also has a well-respected education service which, among other activities, actively encourages teachers and tutors to make effective curriculum use of the historic environment.
2. THE CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OF CEMETERIES
You will find more advice, by typing in the words ... historic England advice "Grave memorials" in your search bar.
If the council Planners, council's Conservationist, or Council's HER did not give the subject, the importance it deserved when considering the application, ask them why not and quote the bits which support your letter and that their actions may have thwarted your research to see whether there was a memorial or not and what information the Memorial contained.
Check the Legal requirement (the BBC News claimed there was one) about those being buried should be recorded on property Deeds and if so, you might suggest that there ought to be a record of the 'Grave Memorials' before work commenced, because Grave Memorials often contain more information, than the Burial Register (some of which are not available) and therefore Memorial information surveys are of immense importance.
Did you also note, in one of the West Yorkshire Archives links (by dobfarm), the link refers to grave registers ...
Includes baptisms 1949-1999, grave registers 1858-1984, minutes 1933-1999, church accounts 1974-1989, portraits and photographs of ministers 1806-1994
Laying Memorials as paving should be banned, due to foot erosion, extra weathering, being dug up and further damaged, disposed of by Utility companies.
Regards Mark (retired council officer)
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Sorry, just noticed the 'grave registers' listed are not early enough >:( , Kind regards Mark
EDIT: Sorry about my comment immediately above, according to West Yorks online catalogue, grave registers start 1858.
Kind regards, Mark
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Sorry, just noticed the 'grave registers' listed are not early enough >:( , Kind regards Mark
Burial ground opened 25 Sept 1857 Rev John Cockin died 1861 4 years later
http://catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=WYAS4197%2f2%2f1%2f21&pos=6
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Sorry, just noticed the 'grave registers' listed are not early enough >:( , Kind regards Mark
Burial ground opened 25 Sept 1857 Rev John Cockin died 1861 4 years later
Oops!
Thanks for correcting me dobfarm.
In one of the West Yorkshire Archives links by dobfarm in reply #31, the link refers to grave registers from 1858 ...
Includes baptisms 1949-1999, grave registers 1858-1984, minutes 1933-1999, church accounts 1974-1989, portraits and photographs of ministers 1806-1994
Kind regards, Mark
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Hello BlackpoolBelle, dobfarm and All
I am looking for information about a Jane Cockin who was a witness on an 1815 George Hood, Selby Marriage Register entry and just found this during my searches ...
Is this OCR scan text of a book description, any help in your general family history research, found in a list of old book titles online?
LVIII. REV. J. COCKIN, and his Son. In 1829, Joseph Cockin's Memoirs, a large volume of viii. and 248 pages, was printed by John Vint, Idle, for the author the Rev. John Cockin. An engraved portrait of the Rev. Joseph Cookin, drawn by Woodman, 1828, serves as a frontispiece, but a much more characteristic one, drawn by T. Blood, is given in the second edition (1841) of the Memoirs of the REV. JOSEPH COCKIN, Late Minister of the Gospel at Halifax, in-cluding accounts of some of his friends; written partly by himself and continued by his son, John Cockin.
At Selby, Yorkshire, it would appear Independent and Congregational / Congregationalist were the same?
A search for 'Cockin' gives many results ...
https://archive.org/stream/halifaxbooksauth00turnuoft
Be handy to find the actual Memoirs online?
Regards Mark
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Hello BlackpoolBelle
Further to the book reference, is this any use? ...
Leeds Intelligencer - 31st January 1803
"A few days ago died, aged 76, Mrs Hepworth, mother of Mr Cockin, dissenting minister, in Halifax."
Kind regards, Mark
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In case you are planning a visit, the Tourist Information Centre in Holmfirth has moved into the Library building.
If you are planning to visit the Library in Huddersfield, you need the Local STUDIES Library on the first floor.
Tra La La
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Hello BlackpoolBelle, dobfarm and All
I am looking for information about a Jane Cockin who was a witness on an 1815 George Hood, Selby Marriage Register entry
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At Selby, Yorkshire, it would appear Independent and Congregational / Congregationalist were the same.
A search for 'Cockin' gives many results ...
https://archive.org/stream/halifaxbooksauth00turnuoft
Be handy to find the actual Memoirs online?
Regards Mark
How are you getting on, with your grave search?
Another burial ground is mentioned in Holmfirth, the Lydgate Unitarian Chapel, New Mill, Holmfirth. The Unitarians there, have an old Burial Ground there and say this (below), so I have made enquiries about my George Hood, who died 18 September 1845:-
"We have a grave plan and some marriage, naming and burial records. Please consult our Secretary for details."
Kind regards, Mark
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Hello BlackpoolBelle, dobfarm and All
I am looking for information about a Jane Cockin who was a witness on an 1815 George Hood, Selby Marriage Register entry and just found this during my searches ...
Is this OCR scan text of a book description, any help in your general family history research, found in a list of old book titles online?
LVIII. REV. J. COCKIN, and his Son. In 1829, Joseph Cockin's Memoirs, a large volume of viii. and 248 pages, was printed by John Vint, Idle, for the author the Rev. John Cockin. An engraved portrait of the Rev. Joseph Cookin, drawn by Woodman, 1828, serves as a frontispiece, but a much more characteristic one, drawn by T. Blood, is given in the second edition (1841) of the Memoirs of the REV. JOSEPH COCKIN, Late Minister of the Gospel at Halifax, in-cluding accounts of some of his friends; written partly by himself and continued by his son, John Cockin.
At Selby, Yorkshire, it would appear Independent and Congregational / Congregationalist were the same?
A search for 'Cockin' gives many results ...
https://archive.org/stream/halifaxbooksauth00turnuoft
Be handy to find the actual Memoirs online?
Regards Mark
Hi Mark, & sorry for the very late reply - I had no idea anyone had posted on this thread until just now.
Thanks for the link, but I actually now have a copy of Joseph Cockin's memoirs. I went to Halifax Library to see it & then discovered that my aunt had a copy on her bookshelf! Sadly it doesn't say much more than I'd already found - he refers to his wife as "Mrs Cockin" each time & says very little about his personal life, but is mostly about his sermons.
Yes, Independent & Congregational are the same.
I'm slightly confused about the Mrs Hepworth reference, as no-one of that name has come up in all the records. Also, wouldn't Rev Cockin's mother be called Mrs Cockin? Any explanations would be most welcome.
I will certainly keep an eye out for any mention of Jane Cockin & let you know - but as I've discovered, Cockin was a very common name in the area so it might be hard to identify which Jane is actually your Jane.
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Reminder -Burial record John Cockin died October 1861 and should be in the records
Holmfirth, Lane C WYK1080 burials 1858-1984 held at Kirklees WYAS or on film in the Huddersfield library
Noting he was a long serving minister one would think a memorial would be in the chapel
http://www.archives.wyjs.org.uk/documents/archives/Collections%20Guide%202.pdf
Thank you for this, but sadly the chapel is no longer a chapel - it was sold in 2001 and is now a private house, presumably without the pictures. The owner kindly let us explore his garden when we were searching for the grave, but as per previous posts, some of the gravestones are semi-underground.
It will be worth contacting the historical records office though, as they may have the pictures.
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Hello BlackpoolBelle
Further to the book reference, is this any use? ...
Leeds Intelligencer - 31st January 1803
"A few days ago died, aged 76, Mrs Hepworth, mother of Mr Cockin, dissenting minister, in Halifax."
Kind regards, Mark
Hello BlackpoolBelle
I presume Mr Cockin's mother probably got remarried?
There was a John Cockin and a Joseph Cockin (both Ministers) for Holmfirth and Halifax, Yorkshire. Seems they travelled to other meetings in Yorkshire.
Interested in all information, about any Jane Cockin, of 1815.
Regards Mark
I presume you saw the link, once you see the book, it gives a number of "Cockin" results re Holmfirth and elsewhere, when searched electronically.
https://archive.org/stream/halifaxbooksauth00turnuoft
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Hello BlackpoolBelle
Further to the book reference, is this any use? ...
Leeds Intelligencer - 31st January 1803
"A few days ago died, aged 76, Mrs Hepworth, mother of Mr Cockin, dissenting minister, in Halifax."
Kind regards, Mark
Hi BlackpoolBelle
I've got problems too with my George Hood at Selby, Yorkshire, one of the 1815 Marriage Witnesses signed James Cookin, alias James Cockin we believe and kind Rootschatters have discovered an 1830 William Cockin, Marriage, signed we believe by John Hepworth.
In view of the newspaper obit (quoted) and the marriage find I've posted this reply and link.
See (Reply 93) ... "George Hood 1815 Selby Marriage - James Cookin / James Cook in W" thread.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6158639#msg6158639
Regards Mark
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Hello All
BlackpoolBelle, just found this in the Leeds Intelligencer and wondered if it might be of any use to you, a James Cockin at Manchester, younger Son of the Rev. John Cockin ...
Leeds Intelligencer, 22nd February 1845
James Cockin & Martha Moulding
Monday last, at the Baptist Chapel, Bingley, Mr. Jas. Cockin, carpet merchant, Manchester, younger son of the Rev. John Cockin, of Holmfirth, to Martha, elder daughter of the late Mr Samuel Moulding, worsted spinner and manufacturer, Bingley.
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Anyone seen these signatures, please?
Some searching has already been done in online images, but if either below are seen in an Archive document (especially George Hood's), I'd certainly be interested in the date and Archive document reference?
a) James Cockin. I am still looking to confirm the ownership of this signature (attached July 1815 Selby Marriage).
b) George Hood. Also if anyone comes across a match for the George Hood signature top left of this post or signature on the marriage entry, please take a note of date and document reference and let me know?
Thank you, Mark