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Looking for any information on my recently discovered Phelans, they lived in Boley near Shanahoe Laois
Parents
Michael Phelan
Catherine Gaffney
Phelan Children
William born 1868
Michael born 1870
Catherine born 1872 married John Nolan moved to Dublin
Margaret Born 1875 married Patrick Butler moved to Dublin
Bridget born 1881 twins
Nannie born 1881 twins
There may be further children I am still researching the family, there also seems to be a link to a family called Kinnerney.
Regards
Peter
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hi,,have you found any of these people in the irish 1901/1911 census? ;)
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I searched the Irish 1901 and the 1911 census but I think they are gone from Boley by that time
There is one Phelan family in the 1901 census that nearly matches my Phelans
The fathers name is correct
The mother is correct
The oldest son is correct
the father, who is 93 in 1901 census, has 22 and 26 year old daughters, both of the who's christian names I don't recognise, I just may not have found these girls in the records yet.
There were quite a few Phelan's in Boley in earlier times according the Griffiths Valuation.
I read the other day that there were only around 100 christian names used in Ireland, when you combine that in a place like Laois where every other person is a Phelan or a Delaney etc finding the right person is difficult :(
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William Phelan-b.1868 is in the Irish Civil Register, with parents, Michael & Catherine Gafney,
Perhaps some others are there also, if born after 1864.
http://www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records
Jack
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Jack
I've been through Family search, see the first post, and already have the birth certs for William and Margaret I suspect that there maybe other children, or perhaps the Twins born in 1881 put a stop to all that :)
Michael Phelan
Catherine Gaffney
Phelan Children
William born 1868
Michael born 1870
Catherine born 1872 married John Nolan moved to Dublin
Margaret Born 1875 married Patrick Butler moved to Dublin
Bridget born 1881 twins
Nannie born 1881 twins
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The below Phelan headstones are in Shanakill cemetery Lower Boley Abbeyleix, and may not be your line, but.....
Honor Phelan; March 1747 (69)
William Phelan; 30/5/1973 (Boley)
Phelan family & Breen babies (Shanahoe)
William Phelan; 3/11/1912
Margaret (w); 5/5/1944
James Phelan; 13/2/1893 (70) Clontyglass
Catherine; 5/5/1911 (82)
Fitzpatrick Catherine; 26/11/1888 (24) sis-in-law
Kilbride Catherine; 4/4/1908 (45) sis-in-law
James Phelan; 10/10/1914 (57)
Michael Phelan; 30/7/1948 Kileaney
Patrick/Bridget; parents
Bridget; sis-in-law
Cullen Larry; bro-in-law
Denis Phelan; 2/1/1970 (86) Stradbally, late Glenbower Mountrath
Slyvester Phelan; 15/1/1913 (76) Crannah
Julia (w); 29/9/1935 (92) (nee Campion)
Slyvester (son); 14/3/1947 (68)
Mary (w); 25/4/1951 (74) (nee Maher)
Roger Phelan; 1743.
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Jack
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Jack
Thanks for the information this is the second time you've hepled me out you gave me some Delaney info in the Y-IRL forum
Cheers Peter
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Looking for any information on a Catherine Gaffney probably born around 1848 she married a Michael Phelan and lived in Boley, Laois they had
Moderator note : Merged with existing topic
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another possible child for Michael & Catherine located using the free index with a parent match on RootsIreland pay-website - an Eliza or Elizabeth baptised in 1865 in Abbeyleix RC parish. There also appears to be civil birth transcript for her. The date means that her parents could possibly have married before the start of civil registration of RC marriages.
The extracted civil records on FamilySearch are not complete so gaps are to be expected, and they only cover up to 1880 or 1881, so there could also be children after the twins.
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There is one Phelan family in the 1901 census that nearly matches my Phelans
The fathers name is correct
The mother is correct
The oldest son is correct
the father, who is 93 in 1901 census...
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think that age should be 73 - looks the same as the 7 in the nephew David's age.
see : Phelan / Grant household (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Abbeyleix/Boley/1640564/)
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Thanks for your post
I have Eliza in my notes and have even left a place for her in my genealogy software if Eliza is the daughter of Michael and Catherine then that would push Michael and Catherine’s marriage back in time.
Without any firm dates I usually assume, married at 20 years old and a child within the first 2 years of marriage applying this to Catherine that would put Catherine’s birth to 1843 and a marriage to Michael around 1863. As you rightly point out there could be children before Eliza and after the twins, I have search through the 1901 census for the twins (Search Criteria, Christian name, born Laois, aged 21, and female) but without any luck, I suspect they must have left Ireland.
I have not reviewed this part of my tree for some time often a review turns up other avenues for research
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There is one Phelan family in the 1901 census that nearly matches my Phelans
The fathers name is correct
The mother is correct
The oldest son is correct
the father, who is 93 in 1901 census...
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think that age should be 73 - looks the same as the 7 in the nephew David's age.
see : Phelan / Grant household (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Abbeyleix/Boley/1640564/)
I need to relook at this record, in my notes I tried to find a birth for Sarah and Ann so that I could link them to Michael and Catherine the result of my search is not recorded, a good case for a review.
I am also going to look for an 18 year old David Grant in the 18911 census, you never know
The 93 does look more like a 73 now you point it out, I wonder if this is the line that adds to my longevity gene, my Aunt was 100 last March( and still going) and my grandfather and great grandfather were in their 90’s when they died.
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David's back home at Tonduff in 1911 - see : link (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Queen_s_Co_/Abbeyleix/Tonduff/781428/)
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David's back home at Tonduff in 1911 - see : link (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Queen_s_Co_/Abbeyleix/Tonduff/781428/)
So Mary Grant will be the sister of Catherine or Michael
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best matches for Elizabeth and Sarah's births on the BMD Index are these two :
Name : Elizabeth Phelan
Event Type : Birth
Year : 1865
Registration District : Abbeyleix
Volume : 8 / Page : 464
Name : Sarah Phelan
Event Type : Birth
Year : 1873
Registration District : Abbeyleix
Volume : 8 / Page : 421
also a good possible match for Michael's death..based on district and corrected age on the 1901 return...
Name : Michael Phelan
Event Type : Death
Quarter and Year : Oct-Dec 1907
Registration District : Abbeyleix
Age : 79 (est. year of birth 1828)
Volume : 3 / Page : 205
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So Mary Grant will be the sister of Catherine or Michael
not 100% certain, but think husbands name may have been Peter. A Peter Grant age 62 died in the vicinity around the right time.. but haven't found a possible marriage match for him in the district..
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Could you give your opinion on the birth place of Catherine Phelan nee Gaffney in the Cencus it looks to me like Brennan, and theres a Brennan near Carlow which is not too far away
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best matches for Elizabeth and Sarah's births on the BMD Index are these two :
Name : Elizabeth Phelan
Event Type : Birth
Year : 1865
Registration District : Abbeyleix
Volume : 8 / Page : 464
Name : Sarah Phelan
Event Type : Birth
Year : 1873
Registration District : Abbeyleix
Volume : 8 / Page : 421
also a good possible match for Michael's death..based on district and corrected age on the 1901 return...
Name : Michael Phelan
Event Type : Death
Quarter and Year : Oct-Dec 1907
Registration District : Abbeyleix
Age : 79 (est. year of birth 1828)
Volume : 3 / Page : 205
I am going to write off for the birth certificate for Sarah that should settle the issue
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found another possible match for the Grant family - a Richard Grant and Mary Phelan appear with the same references for a marriage listing in Abbeyleix district in 1892. Bang on the 'years married' listed by Mary on the 1911 return - that plus youngest sons name I think would make this more likely father for David than the Peter I found...
There are several Richard Grant deaths around the right time - including one in Abbeyleix district in spring 1910
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Could you give your opinion on the birth place of Catherine Phelan nee Gaffney in the Cencus it looks to me like Brennan, and theres a Brennan near Carlow which is not too far away
the enumerator has a 'Queen's County' to all the places of birth.
He has strange 'B's, and I dont see an 'r' in there... looks like B.nn.n to me - so I'd say add two vowels
Based on the fact that Michael has recorded townland names for the others (Boley, Tonduff...), I'd expect the same for Catherine
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The enumerator has it as Kennen 'Queen's County' I will look at this later, thanks for your help its good to have another opinion ;D
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Ordered Sarah's birth certificate if her parents are Michael and Catherine Phelan (formaly Gaffney) then we have proof of the continuity of the line
Name : Sarah Phelan
Event Type : Birth
Year : 1873
Registration District : Abbeyleix
Volume : 8 / Page : 421
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The enumerator has it as Kennen 'Queen's County' I will look at this later, thanks for your help its good to have another opinion ;D
it's been transcribed as Kennen during the digitization... I suppose it could be a K, problem is there's no town or townland that I can see with that name either
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I have found David Grant father he is Richard Grant and in 1901 he is the Blacksmith in Tonduff
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Now confirmed thank you to shanew147 for his assistance :)
MICHAEL PHELAN was born in 1828 in Boley Laois. He married CATHERINE GAFFNEY. She was born in 1851 in "??nan.
Michael Phelan and Catherine Gaffney had the following children:
ELIZABETH PHELAN was born in 1865 in Boley Ireland.
WILLIAM PHELAN was born on 02 Apr 1868 in Abbeyliex.
MICHAEL PHELAN was born on 08 Nov 1870 in Abbeyliex.
CATHERINE PHELAN was born on 28 Oct 1872 in Boley Ireland. She married John Nolan, son of Martin Nolan on 27 Jun 1899 in Chapel of Abbeyliex. He was born in 1867 in Queens Co.
MARGARET PHELAN was born on 05 Apr 1875 in Boley Ireland
BRIDGET PHELAN was born on 01 Feb 1881 in Boley Ireland. Twin
NANNIE PHELAN was born on 01 Feb 1881 in Boley Ireland. Twin
SARAH PHELAN was born in 1877 in Boley Laois.
ANNE PHELAN was born in 1881 in Boley Laois. May have married James KINNERNEY of Durrow
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My Grandmother was Annie kennerney one of the twins. She was married to my Grandfather James kennerney who came from Castlewood Durrow. There were two more sisters. One was Sarah Watson who lived in Abbeyleix. The other was Mrs Grant also lived in Abbeyleix as did her identical twin Brighi
(Mrs Rowe). There were 7 Sisters. I think the twins were brought up until they were 7 in Grennan Attanagh. I have so enjoyed your research and making the connection to Grennan. My grandmother was in regular contact with Grennan. Bill Mooney and Martin were her cousins so there Mother was Granny's Aunt. i am now piecing it all together
Kindest regards
Ann Bonnie O'Keeffe (Kenna)
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Ann
Wow, this is a surprise I have information on the Kennerney and the Phelans, the Kennerneys are a nightmare to research as the spelling of their surname changes so many times. I have sent you a Personal message with my email address in it drop me an email and we can exchange information.
Our Grandmothers were sisters, mine being Margaret Phelan born 1875 that would make us second cousins :)
If you look back in this thread I was looking for the birth place for Catherine Gaffney, our Great Grandmother, could this place be Grennan rather than Brennan?
Regards
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The names on a headstone in Durrow cemetery;
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erected by Sarah Whelan-Kyle, in memory of her
father-Daniel Whelan
1/9/1979 (79)
mother-Anne;
12/11/1886 (81)
her sisters- Mary Wall
14/4/1906 (72)
Elizabeth Kinnerney
8/3/1909 (75)
and a sister who died young.
above-Sarah
6/10/1912 (75)
her brother-James Whelan
17/1/1911 (68)
his wife-Mary;
16/12/1944 (84)
John Phelan-Dunmore
10/4/1975 (82)
wife-Anne
Sept 1983 (93)
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Jack
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Headstone's in Abbeyleix cemetery;
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Richard Grant; 5/10/1965 (58)
wife-Mary; 3/6/1987 (80)
son-Dick; 9/7/2000 (70)
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Michael Grant; Ballinakill road; (blacksmith)
6/7/1969 (74)
wife-Ellen;
5/3/1996 (93)
infant daughter-Catherine
26/7/1940
his bro-Thomas; (labourer-single)
14/8/1964 (63)
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Lucy Grant; Doorey Ballyroan
15/9/1971 (61)
her father-Patrick Carter;
3/6/1951 (73)
also his father-John.
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Jack
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Cheers Jack hopefully some more pieces of the puzzle :)
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James Kinnerney was my grandfather's uncle...or my second great uncle.
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I know that, we talked about Ballybough Rd :)
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Hi Peter,
Ha ha, I remember now. I've discovered a lot since we were last in contact.
Lots of interesting facts and a few skeletons. :o
Dave
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Dave
Don't forget to share you have my email :)