RootsChat.Com
Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: Llassen on Thursday 17 March 11 04:07 GMT (UK)
-
Hello,
I'm looking for information on Richard Mate's parents and siblings.
Richard Mates was born around 1861 in Co. Wicklow and I know that he had a brother named William Mates.
They were Church of Ireland.
Richard Mates married Elizabeth Tuke in Rathdrum in1885. They had 12 children before leaving Ireland for the states in 1911.
Richard Mates was a gardener and worked at Powerscourt gardens in the 1890s.
His brother William Mates left for the States earlier, around 1890.
I hope to learn more about Richard Mate's siblings and parents, so if anyone has suggestions or information I'd be very grateful!
I have all the names of Richard and Elizabeth's children, if this is of interest to anyone.
Thanks!
Laurie
-
Hi Laurie,
Was William Mates older or younger? Also, what were the names of Richard's children from eldest down?
cheers
Lisa :-)
-
....
I'm looking for information on Richard Mate's parents and siblings.
Richard Mates was born around 1861 in Co. Wicklow and I know that he had a brother named William Mates.
They were Church of Ireland.
Richard Mates married Elizabeth Tuke in Rathdrum in1885. They had 12 children before leaving Ireland for the states in 1911.
....
The place to start is with a marriage cert for Richard and Elizabeth as this will show their residences at the time of marriage and also their father's names and occupations. Based on the details you have there's a good possible match on the BMD Index :
name: Richard Mates
registration district: Rathdrum
event type: Marriage
Quarter and year: Jan-Mar 1885
Volume : 2 / Page : 843
Note - In this index reference Rathdrum refers to the registration district which covers a large part of Co. Wicklow. There's a cross-matching reference for Elizabeth Tuke.
Richards birth is just before the start of full civil registration so you would need to check for church records for a baptism for him and any siblings born before 1864. Do you have any clues as to which parish Richard was born in ?
see :
Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
Shane
-
there's another thread in the section for Co. Wicklow on a Tuke family that could possibly be connected - see : Tuke Family (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,225717.0.html)
Shane
-
Hi Shane, thank you very much for the links, I'll go searching there. Much appreciated!
Hi Lisa, William (Big Bill) was younger, but the family here wonders if they were actually close in age because they worked in the Kilmacoo mine around the same time. Richard Mates escaped the Kilmacoo mine explosion because he decided to have his lunch outdoors that day. A narrow escape for us all ;)
Elizabeth Mates, born 1866, died in Seattle, WA, USA in 1922
We think Richard Mates was born around 1861 and he died in Seattle in 1943
William Mates is listed on the US 1910 Census as having been born in 1873, but the family is questioning that because of the story I mentioned above.
Richard and Elizabeth's children are as follows:
John Mates Born 1886 Rathdrum
Richard Mates Born 1887 -
Benjamin Thomas Mates Born 1889 Rathdown
Dora Mates Born 1890 Rathdown
Ellen Mates Born 1892 Rathdown
Evaleen Elizabeth Mates Born 1894 Balrothery
William Edward Mates Born 1897 Balrothery
Sophie Margaret Mates Born 1900 Balrothery
Susan (Sissie) Mary Mates Born 1902 Balrothery
George Francis Mates Born 1904 Balrothery
Jemima (Babe) Mates Born 1905 Balrothery (my grandmother)
Albert Victor Mates Born 1910 Dublin North Died 1911 Balrothery
Thank you very much!
Laurie
-
just a quick note about the births you mentioned above - the places mentioned are all registration districts rather than actual addresses. Birth certs would give you proper places of birth, and allow you to confirm parents names etc
Registration District of Rathdown covers parts of south east county Dublin and a section of north Co. Wicklow. Dublin North covers Dublin North City. Balrothery covers parts of north Co. Dublin and Rathdrum covers parts of south Co. Wicklow. See the map here : Registration Districts (http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/RegistrarDistrictsMap.jpg)
Have you found any of the family on the 1901 and/or 1911 census ?
Shane
-
Hi Shane,
Thank you so much for the further information. You can probably gather that I'm quite new to this!
I have the information on the marriage and each birth from familysearch.org with what looks like the location of the certificate in the digital records. So from another post you referenced, it looks like my next step is to contact the GRO for copies of birth certificates and Richard and Elizabeth's marriage certificate.
Yes, the family is on the 1901 census, except for the ones that hadn't been born yet, of course. They left Ireland in March of 1911, so that's likely why I can't find them in the 1911 census.
Thanks again,
Laurie
-
hello
I am looking for any information on Mates / Vicars Family. John Mates Ballyrogan Redcross married my great aunt Anne Vicars Crone Redcross co wicklow in 1886. Johns Dad is listed as William Mates and Annes dad is Patrick vicars . I think they may have been born around 1860s approx . . as my great grandmother essie vicars ( annes sister ) was born 1865 . she married Thomas Toole ( my great grandfather ) Kilpatrick Redcross 1884. Any information would be gratefully appreciated
Jean maria
-
This may be no help but in 1920's my mother lived at 12 George's Ave, Blackrock Co Dublin and the family downstairs were Dickie Mates and children one of these Rosie Mates went to the U.K and corresponded with my mother till the 80's . I think they were Presbyterian.
-
posted the last message off the top of my head. Just checked the Irish census for 1901 and 1911 the Mates were at Brusna cottages Blackrock they must have moved around the corner to Georges Ave in the 20's. They are Church of Ireland on census.It was Daisy not Rosie who went to U.K!!- my good memory has slipped.
-
mates family still live in redcross they are farmers
i also know the vickers still reside close to redcross
prehaps this may be of some asistance to you
x redcrosser
-
Hi there Llassen,
On ifhf in 1860 there was a Richard Mates baptised in Castlemacadam COI Church in County Wicklow. His parents were John and Dora. As this was the names that your Richard gave to his first son and first daughter it looks like a fairly good match.
In 1858 there was also a William Mates baptised in Castlemacadam COI Church in County Wicklow to John & Dora Mates.
There is also a John Mates on the Griffiths Valuation in Kilmacoo, Castlemacadam, Wicklow.
This is a possibility for Richard's mother Dorah Mates - I note that her son Edward worked in the mines which you mentioned !
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Cronebane/Kilmacoo_Upper/1815186/
There is also this baptism for Edward:
Name: Edward Mates
DOB: 18 Jul 1870
Place: Wicklow, Ireland
Father's Name: John Mates
Mother's name: Dolly Tracey (Dolly is another version of Dora)
I hope these MAY add up to what records you have !
Tara
-
Hi Jean Marie
On ifhf there is a John Mates baptised in 1853 in Castlemacadam COI Church, Wicklow - parents William and Elizabeth Mates.
I can't guarantee whether this is the same family you are looking for or not but may be of some help !
Tara
-
The following Mates are from Redcross, Wicklow. There is not an obvious connection to the Mates already listed, but they are another piece of the puzzle:
William Mates (1815-1891) died in Redcross, buried Redcross Cem
married
Susan or Susanna Loftus (1822-1886) died in Redcross, buried Redcross Cem
William and Susan had the following children, all (I believe) born in Redcross:
Elizabeth A. Mates (1852-1923) emigrated to Baltimore, Maryland USA abt 1870, married George H. Koontz, one child, died in Baltimore, buried at Baltimore Cemetery.
William Loftus Mates (abt 1853-1939) lived and farmed at Redcross, married Rosa Marie ??, childless, died at Redcross, buried at Redcross Cemetery.
Margaret Mates (abt 1856-1922) lived at Redcross, never married, died at Redcross, buried at Redcross Cemetery.
Sarah Jane Mates (1856-1922) emigrated to Baltimore, Maryland USA in 1871, married James Kane, five children, died in Baltimore, buried at Baltimore Cemetery. [my great grandmother]
Susan Mates (abt 1868-1939) lived at Redcross, never married, died at Redcross, buried at Redcross Cemetery.
Lucy Loftus Mates (abt 1865-1944) lived variously at Redcross, Baltimore and ??, never married, died at Redcross, buried at Redcross Cemetery.
I am a beginner at this. I found a Leonard Mates, a Sarah Mates, and two William Mates in Redcross in the Griffiths Valuation, but I am unsure what to do with that information. I found those siblings above that still lived in Redcross on both the 1901 and 1910 census. What information I have has been without the help of birth certificates or other records. Any suggestions?
Don
-
Hi there: Well thank you all for all the wonderful information. Im a granddaughter of Richard Mates "born 1887-". I was told his father, Richard, was able to bring his family to the States because a brother had "made a lot of money gold mining? in Alaska and helped him pay to bring them over" so there must have been a brother still alive then. I knew my great grandfather was a gardener who worked at Powerscourt. My grandfather died when my father was around 9 years old but I (and my older brother) have several of his personal items from Ireland because my father passed away 3 years ago. The family ended up in Seattle and then my grandfather moved to Portland, Oregon. I also remember my dad saying that the only Mates of his branch left in Ireland was his father's brother, who died in infancy and was buried there. For some reason my father believed that the Mates' were descended from folks who came over with William of Orange when he explained that although, strongly Nationalist?, his family was Protestant-perhaps Im showing my ignorance here. thank you again. You have motivated me to sort thru all the boxes of family correspondence/memorabilia to enlighten myself
-
I am the granddaughter of Susan (Sissie) Mary Bates born 1902. I was told that she died shortly after childbirth. My father's name was Bruce Jeffrey Robeson. he was approximately 2 years old when his mother passed. I believe she delivered a daughter with spina bifida who did not live much longer after she was born. My grandfather's name was Ralph Robeson and he subsequently remarried after the passing of Susan and moved down to Long Beach California. My father never had the opportunity to connect with his mother's side of the family, which I know he was sad about. I appreciate all of the research you have done in regards to this side of my family.
Susan Mates was a nurse at Providence Medical Center in Everett WA. I have her nursing picture.
-
No. 51
Erected | by | W. L. MATES | Oakwood | in memory of his beloved friend |
EDWARD BURY | who died 3rd June 1913 | “Blessed are the pure in heart |
for they shall see God”.
No. 37
Erected by RICHARD MATES in memory of | his beloved mother MARY MATES
departed | this life May 14 1821 aged 66 years | Also his father RICHARD
MATES departed | this life December 30th 1838 aged 77 years
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/wicklow/photos/tombstones/1headstones/castlemacadam-old.txt
-
http://search.freefind.com/find.html?si=13812782&pid=r&n=0&_charset_=UTF-8&bcd=%C3%B7&query=mates&s=wicklowstones
-
Hi
I'm also reserching the mates family in redcross Co Wicklow as my partner is a mates. His father says the mates in Wicklow are all descended from one family but im finding it hard to make connections with other trees.
George mates 1929-1999
Father: Thomas edward mates 1882-1954
Mother: Teresa Elizabeth Tackaberry
George came from a prodistant family but change religion to marry his wife.
-
Welcome to RootsChat, Jessicak92 :)
Father: Thomas edward mates 1882-1954
Mother: Teresa Elizabeth Tackaberry
Marriage in 1913. Witnesses were William Mates and Mary Mates.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1914/09839/5573029.pdf
-
Thomas Mates in 1911 census.
Residents of a house 5 in Redcross Town (part of) (Ballyarthur, Wicklow)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Ballyarthur/Redcross_Town__part_of_/896116/
Redcross townland.
https://www.townlands.ie/wicklow/arklow/redcross/ballyarthur/redcross/
Mother: Teresa Elizabeth Tackaberry
Teresa Elizabeth Thackaberry in 1911 census.
Residents of a house 6 in Oghill, Lower (Ennereilly, Wicklow).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Ennereilly/Oghill__Lower/896010/
Oghill Lower townland.
https://www.townlands.ie/wicklow/arklow/redcross/ennereilly/oghill-lower/
KG
-
William George Mates,Redcross son of William married Sarah Wheatley dtr Thomas Wheatley,Aughill 1882
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1882/10957/8005533.pdf
Thomas Wheately died 1878 son Thomas informant of Aughill
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1878/020495/7192284.pdf
Thomas JNR married Anne Brownrigg Sherwood 1887 witness his sister Sarah Mates
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10803/5940037.pdf
1901 mother still alive
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Ballyarthur/Redcross_Town/1815117/
-
William Loftus Mates (abt 1853-1939) lived and farmed at Redcross, married Rosa Marie ??, childless, died at Redcross, buried at Redcross Cemetery.
Marriage 1896….William Loftus Mates to Rosa Marie Tandevin.
One of the witnesses was Helen G Tandevin.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10491/5820810.pdf
1901 census
Residents of a house 1 in Ballinabarny South (Cronebane, Wicklow).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Cronebane/Ballinabarny_South/1815124/
Rosa Marie born in Guernsey.
1911 census
Residents of a house 2 in Ballykeane (Stringer) (Dunganstown, Wicklow).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Dunganstown/Ballykeane__Stringer_/895932/
https://www.townlands.ie/wicklow/arklow/redcross/dunganstown-west/ballykean-stringer/
KG
Edited to add:
Death William Loftus Mates in 1939.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1939/04741/4269270.pdf
-
Death of Rosa Marie Mates in 1937 at Oakwood.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1937/04785/4285044.pdf
Oakwood
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qjj/
-
Margaret Mates (abt 1856-1922) lived at Redcross, never married, died at Redcross, buried at Redcross Cemetery.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1923/05060/4386694.pdf
Susan Mates (abt 1868-1939) lived at Redcross, never married, died at Redcross, buried at Redcross Cemetery.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1939/04752/4272987.pdf
Lucy Loftus Mates (abt 1865-1944) lived variously at Redcross, Baltimore and ??, never married, died at Redcross, buried at Redcross Cemetery.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1944/04645/4235002.pdf
Her probate attached - CIGO Guide to Irish Calendars of Wills and Administrations.
KG
-
William Mates son of William Mates,Redcross married in Strabane Mary Bernie from Lifford,Donegal dtr of John Bernie/Birnie prison official Lifford Gaol in 1853
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1853/09459/5427509.pdf
a son Charles 1867
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03466/2273090.pdf
Dec 16th 1843 Londonderry Sentinel on 4th Dec 1843 death of Jane Bernie age 15 in Lifford Gaol eldest daughter of John Bernie
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/burial/clonleighdeath.html
edited to add further down the page
Sept 13th 1870 Jane age 72 widow late John Bernie,Lifford.
Mary Mates nee Bernie
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Ballyarthur/Redcross_Town/1815092/
-
John Mates worked in the Botanic Gardens from 1907 to 1909 gave his date of birth as 28 Feb 1886
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qjo/
same date as his Naturilisation in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-95XZ-9ST5?i=270&cc=1932554&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A8SSK-272M
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Malahide/Malahide/1266269/