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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: garlands on Thursday 17 March 11 14:11 GMT (UK)
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Edward GONINAN married Anne STEPHENS on 18 Nov 1695 in Breage. I assume that Edward was born c1674 but I have been unable to find him. Can anyone help, please?
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Hi Garlands
You have done well to get back that far
you are now in lucky territory, where register quality bcomes very poor and holes in pages etc exist
there is an 1864 boy here:
http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~althea/Breage%20Baptisms%20from%20IGI%201657%20to%201675%20sort%20by%20surname.htm
Otherwise browse mt transcriptions to see name possibilities
http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~althea/index.html
WConnect have a few trees, but I can't seem to access the pages at present to see what other researchers have found
BYe
Althea
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Althea,
Many thanks for the leads. I've picked up many new names and now have to sit down and see how many of them I can add to my tree.
Your transcriptions really are most useful.
Thanks again
George
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Hi George
I've managed to get to Cornwall :)
I think we may share an ancestor somewhere.
In my tree an 'offshoot' from my main maternal ancestry is a lady called LOVEDAY GONINAN bn 1759 to John Goninan and Mary Sobey.
Prospective parents that I can find for John Goninan both originate 20 miles from Falmouth in Breage.
John Goninan son of Edward and Ann (born 1731) or
John son of John and LOVEDY (1736) ~ I am leaning towards this because of naming patterns in families ~ John and Mary name their children John, Loveday and Mary.
claire
Will follow on with a Tippett post.
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Hi
Here is my Tippet/Tippett/Typatt line
5x Gt Gdmother ~ Frances Tippet (bn 1774 Truro) dau. of Alexander Tippett (1740-1815 Truro) son of Richard Tippet (1702-1763 Truro) son of Christopher Tippet (1677 Gorran -1745 Kenwyn) son of Alexander Typatt ( 1650 Kenwyn ) son of Christopher (1626 Perranzabuloe -1678) son of Alexander Tippett ~ birth unknown.
As for my Rowe line , I can't get further than John Rowe born c1753 died 1837 Saltash, Cornwall.
claire
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Claire,
I have both John's in my tree:-
1. John GONINAN bap 08 Jun 1731, parents
Edward GONONAN b 04 Jul 1697, bap 18 Jul 1697, Breage; m 27 Aug 1719 in Helston to
Ann CARTER bap 29 Mar 1692, Germoe
I have their parents and one set of grandparents -would you like to have them?
2. John GONINAN bap 17 Aug 1736, Breage, parents
John GONINAN bap 06 May 1702, Breage, m 30 Nov 1735, Breage to
Lovedy HOSKIN, bur 13 Apr 1781, Breage
John (1702) is the brother of Edward (1697) so, again, I can go a bit further back if you wish.
Edward GONINAN (1697) is my 5x great grandfather.
Let me know how you want to proceed.
Incidentally, I think we should open a new topic for our TIPPET links so that we can tap into other people's interests Shall I start or will you?
Regards
George
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Hi George,
Thank you for the extra info regarding the GONINANS in our tree. I am going to proceed at the moment with John GONINAN and Loveday HOSKINS as prospective parents for 'my' John. I am intrigued at Loveday HOSKINS whose family I am going to look into. I have a couple of Hoskins/Hosking men in my tree elsewhere, it will be interesting to see if they are related to Loveday in some way.
Any info regarding the Goninans would be helpful, thank-you.
I'll let you do the honours starting a new Tippett Topic :)
I'm excited :D
claire
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Claire,
Let me first give you the provenance for the records I sent yesterday:-
John (1731) Breage PR
John (1736) IGI, P015541
Edward (1697) Breage PR; marriage Breage BT
Ann CARTER (1692) IGI, C022202
John (1702) IGI, P015541; marriage IGI, M015541
Lovedy (sic) HOSKIN (1781 burial) Breage PR
Incidentally, what's your relationship to Edward GONINAN (1697)?
Regards
George
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Hi George,
Gosh what a morning I've had. Loveday Hosken does fit into my Hoskin/Hosken line. Her brother Benedictus had a son Benjamin. This Benjamin had a son Benjamin also. He married into the Luce family of Saltash, which is my main ancestral line.
I did say they were an offshoot - but in family terms Edward Goninan 1697 would be the brother of John (1702) who is the 1st Great Grand Uncle of my 1st cousin 6 x removed. Gosh, that's a bit of a mouthful !
I'm off to work now but will be back later. We do share some ancestors, however remote, so I feel I have to share some interesting history that the Luce family have, as they will now be some ancestors of yours however remote.
Best wishes,
Claire
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Claire,
I'm writing this through gritted teeth!!!!
I spent an hour this morning writing a detailed reply to you, and decided to 'preview' it before sending it. I don't know what I did, but the whole lot disappeared into the ether. I've tried all I know to recover it but without success, so I'm going to have another attempt later.
Anyway, it's nice to know that we are somehow related, even if it's impossible to define exactly how!
Incidentally, I live in NW London, so if you're ever in the vicinity of Watford/Euston we might be able to get together.
Regards
George
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Claire,
A quick correction. Earlier I the wrong info on the marriage of Edward GONINAN to Ann CARTER. This should have read 27 Aug 1719 in Breage (Breage PR).
Sorry.
George
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Hi
On a quick break...basic rundown of how our trees merge.
Forgive mistakes I am on my kindle.
My 6x By Grandfather was Thomas Luce
His son William had a daughter Mary Luce.
Mary married James Hosking.
James Hosking was the son of Benjamin Hosking
Who was the son of Benjamin Hosking.
Benjamin Hosking was the son of Benedictus B. Hosken.
Benedictus was the brother of Loveday Hosken who
was the wife of John Goninan who was the brother
of your 5x Gt Grandfather Edward Goninan.
Claire
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Claire,
At the third attempt, I managed to draw out our relationship. I think you have done marvels to get it sorted. Convoluted is an understatement!
By my reckoning, you must be in the same generation as my grandchildren, whose ages range from 15 to 34. Whatever, I'm delighted to have found you.
In the light of the remoteness of your connection to the GONINAN family, I should not be offended if you said that you'd got enough information. On the other hand, you're welcome to everything I have on them, which is quite a lot!
My HOSKIN links are all in the Breage area at present, but in the light of your links, I'll try to look a little deeper.
Regards
George
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Hello George,
I'm flattered you put me in that age group between 15-34 , but if you add them together you're not far off the mark ! (Thats my Grandchildren on the left)
Right, back to the Luce's, your new remote ancestors :) I will try and keep it short, or I could go on forever. But G**gle has plenty of info to offer
My 6x Gt Grandfather Thomas Luce (1747-99) also had a daughter Sarah Luce, who married a man in 1790 called William Traill. Some history in the link
http://genealogy.northern-skies.net/genealogy.php?number=22
His father was a William Traill (occ. Navy), whose brother was Robert.
Robert Traill married an American Mary Whipple. Her brother being Gen. William Whipple who signed the declaration of Independence.
some info here: https://archive.org/stream/newhampshiregenev4tibb#page/4/mode/2up
and here: http://whipple.org/william/index.html
Going back further with William Traill's (husband of Sarah Luce) ancestry is his Gt Grandmother , Barbara Balfour, her ancestry is littered with Sirs and Ladies but is quite complicating. One notable is Gilbert Balfour ~ housekeeper to Mary Queen of Scots~ who by marriage was also his sister in law.
However remote, we do have quite an interesting ancestry
Regards
Claire
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Hi,
How much of Ann Carters ancestry do you have ?
There is a book about Breage here, in it is a story about a Harry Carter, a smuggler.
https://archive.org/stream/storyofancientpa00coulrich#page/128/mode/2up
claire
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Claire,
Certainly, some very interesting connections. Thanks.
Ann CARTER's father was Henry, and he married Susannah ELMES in Gulval on 26 Dec 1687, but that's all I've got.
I've started a new topic on TIPPET, TOCKER and DUNSTONE, so let's see what happens.
George
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Claire,
Sorry, another error. My HOSKIN connections are from Goran, St Ewe and Mylor, not as stated.
George
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There is an entry in the Breage PR:-
7 Dec 1638 Fidelia PENHALE als GONININ dr of Petri & Margarettae
Is Fidelia (or Faith) a PENHALE or a GONININ?
Her parents are Petri (or Peter) GONINAN and Margarettae (or Margaret nee GAWEN)
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Hi George
The other children have been given the surname PENHALE, yet in the Protestation Rolls, Peter is GONINAN. He is also GONINAN in the Church seating plan... what a thing to find !!
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~althea/Church%20Seating%20Plan%201666.htm
Peter and Margaret were buried as GONINAN, whereas a son James was buried as a PENHALE.
This is interesting
http://mpsgg.com/Newsletter/wdim/wdim_article24.html
Wonder if his wife Margaret GAWAN is the one baptized 1598 father JOHN GAWAN ( married Janne ? 28 Oct. 1593). There is a Will for a John GAWAN in 1607, he was an accountant.
claire
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Hi Claire,
Thanks for all that. As you say, most interesting.
Yes, Margaret GAWEN (22 Apr 1598) was indeed the daughter of John GAWEN, but I have no other details of him. Could you point me to his Will, please?
Regards
George
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Hi
I have only seen a couple of references to the Will, one on ~ http://crocat.cornwall.gov.uk/ and the other ~ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~althea/index.html
claire
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Claire,
Thanks.
Your second reference confirmed date and occupation. Unfortunately, your first reference resulted in a 'cannot access' note.
Regards
George
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I am related to this family and what a headache they are giving me with all the different variations of the surname and the alias Penhale too.
I am stuck on a couple of ancestors. I have Joseph Gorninnan born 1744 to James in St Just in Penwith, Cornwall, England, but can't find mother at all.
I also can't find a baptism for father James but believe he is the son of John Goninnan and Thomasin Williams in breage as I have dna matches which all connect from them through to Richard Goninan (Penhalle) and Mary the parents of John.
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I have 76 instances of he GONINAN surname, but I'm afraid not one Joseph.
Only one James, b in Breage 16.10.1641, bur 31.10.1641.
I have John GONINAN m Thomasin WILLYAMS 01.08.1699 in Breage plus 5 children, viz:-
Thomasin, 19 Sep 1700
Richard, 14 Apr 1703
John, 18 Feb 1705/06
Henry, 13 Sep 1711, bur 17 Sep 1711
Henry, 23 Apr 1717
I have marriages for Thomasin, Richard and Henry if you're interested