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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: AllanWD on Thursday 17 March 11 21:22 GMT (UK)
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In researching my mother's ancestors (surname FULTON) I have traced them back via my grandfather (James Fulton born in Johnstone), my g grandfather (William, also born in Johnstone), my gg grandfather (Joseph, born in Kilbarchan), to my ggg grandfather, (Hugh Fulton born in Ireland around 1790). This work has revealed a number of Fultons moving from Ireland around the same time to Kilbarchan to work in the village as hand loom weavers. I suspect that many of them were related but I have no solid evidence of this yet.
Is there anyone else out there who has an interest in this and would like to offer information and see what I have got with a view to trying to link up some of these Irish Fultons?
Hoping for a contact.
AllanWD
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AllanWD:
I have only one Fulton lead. Mary McKenna married a brother of my great-grandfather, John Cairns, December 22, 1877 in Johnstone, Renfrewshire. Mary's parents were George McKenna and Mary Fulton (McKenna).
John Cairns, along with his mother and siblings, came from the Gilford, County Down area sometime in the early to mid 1870's and lived in the Johnstone/Kilbarchan villiages. John owned a bootmaking shop in Houston Square for many years 19th and early 20th centuries. Like you, I wonder if there were relatives in the area or if it was just employment that drew the family to the area.
You might try Scotland's People for the marriage record of George McKenna and Mary Fulton. The death record for Mary might also give you a clue about her parents and birth place.
Donn Cairns
Colorado Springs, Colorado
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Hi Donn,
Thanks for your interest.
The Mary Fulton that you mentioned as being the mother of Mary McKenna who married John Cairns in 1877 would have to have been born around 1825 - 1835 I reckon. However, I know of a Mary Fulton who was born in Kilbarchan around 1839/40 - just possibly Mary McKenna's mother if they both married quite young. Her parents were James Fulton and Elizabeth Pattison. James was born in Ireland around 1811. This family lived in Ewing St in Kilbarchan at the 1841 census. Also living in Ewing St was my ggg grandfather Hugh Fulton, born in Ireland around 1790, and his wife Mary McNeil and young family. I have often wondered if he and James were related (perhaps uncle and nephew) simply because they lived in the same street, but I have nothing that proves it. If they were related and this Mary Fulton was Mary McKenna's mother, then you and I are related. Too many "ifs" though.
Take care,
Allan
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My wife is the sixth generation down from James Fulton and Elizabeth PAttison. I have his parendts as James Fulton and ? McNeil. All we know about him is he was born in Ireland about 1811. He and Elizabeth were married in Kilbarchan on 28 Sept 1833. He had a daughter Mary born 1939 who married James Tinto in Kilbarchan in 1862. They had 9 children and some have the Fulton/ Pattison names in their names. Mary died in Glasgow in 1909. I have quite a lot about this family.
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Hello Tom,
Thanks for responding.
I have come across the details for James Fulton and Elizabeth Pattison in my searches. I have speculated that this James's father, also James as you indicated, could be the brother of my ggg grandfather Hugh Fulton. (See my reply to Donn Cairns.) The fact that you say his wife's maiden name was McNeil is coincidental since Hugh's wife was Mary McNeil. Perhaps they were sisters. We also have them all living in Ewing St in Kilbarchan at the same time.. If in fact they were brothers then I am related to your wife. However, we don't have any solid proof yet. I have an excel file with all my information on the Fultons from this period down to my mother, who died in 1995. If you would like to see it I could send it to you via a personal message. (I have not done this yet in rootschat but I suppose it must be fairly easy.)
Allan
Killearn, Stirlingshire
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Yes please, wife speaking now. How can I send you my email without publishing it here? If/ when I receive your address I will be in touch.
Maureen.
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Hi all
Allan I have sent you a Private message
This seems to by my husband's branch if the family. Another roots chatter a few years ago was kind enought to find me some information on this branch of the Fultons
Mary
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Joseph Fulton born abt 1806 Ireland
Married
1. Sarah Mooney
2. Maria Williamson
my husband is descend from Joseph and Sarah
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Found my original post on the Fulton family
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,210956.0.html
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Hi there.
I have joined this forum per courtesy of Mary.
I am the 2nd great grandson of Hugh Fulton married to Mary McNeil. Hugh was born in Ireland circa 1791 albeit I have not been able to trace parents or exact place of birth or marriage.
I will digest the various items of information on this thread and hopefully may be able to help others and also myself.
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Hi Big Ian,
Sounds as if you fit into my family tree somewhere. Hugh Fulton (married to Mary McNeil) was my ggg grandfather. I could send you an Excel file containing as much as I know of the details of this family tree. Would you be able to open that ok and let me know exactly where you fit into the tree? Do you want me to do that? I can send it as a personal message.
AllanWD
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Allan
Nice to hear from you - yes I should be able to open an excel file and would welcome same.
Once I master how to use this site I will sned you info as well.
Ian
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Hi Allan,
My first posting...
We may have a connection. My ggg was Hugh Fulton born approx 1828. I found his Scotland to NY bound ship record from 1869. He was listed as a weaver with wife, Jane, children Mary, Hugh and William. The family are in the 1870 NY census. I found a newspaper article in which his sons Hugh(my gg) and Billy visited family in Kilbarchan where they lived as boys. I researched the Scottish census records and found the family on High Barholm St in 1861. The closest fit for the 1841 census was the Hugh Fulton family on Ewing St, up the road from Barholm St. From there I speculated that Hugh married to Mary McNeil was my gggg, the same as you. If all these assumptions pan out, a big if(?), your ggg Joseph and my ggg Hugh were brothers. Would love to review what you have if possible.
Thanks very much for posting your info.
Hen
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Allan,
I received an e-mail stating you sent a PM but per rootschat policy I must post three times to receive such messages. So this message and one more should fix that. ;)
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Allan,
Three! Let's hope I may now retrieve PMs.
Hen
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found another fulton connection - sent link to this forum, hopefully they will pay a visit soon :)
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Hi Allan, I read your post and we are researching the same family. Joseph Fulton(M sarah mooney)was my3xg grandad. I have not got back further than him, and would love any info you have.
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Joe
Joseph Fulton who married sarah fulton are my husband's direct ancestors - he is decended fromm their sone Joseph who married Margaret Forest in Largs
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Hi, Mary, My name is Anne but there were too many users already of that name so Joe seemed quite suitable. Your husband and I are still on the same branch of the family Joseph and Margaret from Largs had a son also Joseph who married Mary Ann Ralston. Their son Robert was my Grandad.Do you know where in Ireland Joseph came from originally. Anne
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Hi Anne
my husband is descended from Margaret Fulton ( Joseph/Margaret daughter) who married Peter McPhail my hubby's gt gt grandparents - I have a photo of Margaret somewhere
I didn't know about Joseph - unable to locate birth cert for Elizabeth or John, who I think were born before Joseph/margaret married. I have Helen/Ellen and Margaret's birth cert and marriage cert for Joseph/margaret
Mary
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Have just downloaded my Joseph's death cert thanks to Anne - Joseph parents were James Fulton and Elizabeth McNeil or MacNeil - so I guess we are all connected in some way
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Does anyone know if James Fulton married to Elizabeth McNeil has been married twice according to 1841 and 1851 census he is married toRoss Fulton - ancestry doesn't have the originals only the transcribed version so unsure if the above name has been transcribed wrong.
ALSO - found this on the IGI would need to see the original as well.
IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
Search Results | Download | Print
JOHN FULTON
Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
15 AUG 1829 Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: HUGH OR JOSEPH FULTON
Family
Mother: MARY MCNIEL
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Mary,
When James Fulton born 1834 registered his father's death, (James Fulton born 1812, Ireland ) in 1877, Glasgow he put his grandmother's name down as unknown McNeil. So I reckon the McNeils married the Fultons and we are related somewhere along the line.
Maureen McAleer.
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Thanks Maureen - it gets confusing at times doesn't it - in my own tree I have a death cert mother is listed as margaret gage and father listed as unknown Curnow - Fact mother is Emma Gage and father is Wm Henry Curnow pearce
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Hi - I am researching Pattisons and have picked up James Fulton and Elizabeth Pattison. I note the queries about James Fulton's origins in Ireland. I have the couple in Ewing Street in the 1841, Steeple Street in 1851 and back to Ewing Street in the 1861. However, they appear again in the 1871 in Ewing Street, where James' birthplace is given as Co Antrim Ireland.
Not sure how much this helps but I thought I would mention it.
Regards
Stuart
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Thank you very much for this information. Is there by any chance an area of Co Antrim that they are from?
Maureen.
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I noted this birthplace from the FindmyPast transcription. You could try the original image at Scotlandspeople, although I would doubt there would be anything else. Consider it a bonus to get more than Ireland as place of birth !
However, on a more general point, then James' parents, James Fulton and Unknown McNeill could very likely be the James and Ross (Rose) Fulton also living in Ewing Street in 1841 and were related to the Hugh Fulton and Mary McNeill, also living in Ewing Street, ie they could be brothers Fulton marrying sisters McNeill, and migrating to Renfrewshire about 1815/1820.
Hugh Fulton and Mary McNeill were both born Ireland, probably about 1790 and 1800 respectively - they had six boys all born in Renfrewshire. Hugh and Mary were both deceased before 1858, and I suspect, before 1851.
However, in the absence of any other information to go on, then a search for this family in Co Antrim could turn something up. I have no experience of searching for Irish records around the early 1800's but I have heard it can be difficult. Good luck.
Regards
Stuart
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All queries cleared up now, thanks
Still only reached the James Fulton - Elizabeth McNeil tier of the tree, as we all seem to have, but here's hoping we may find out more at some point in the future.
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to siouxsue. You are following exactly the same line as me, as Robert Ralston Fulton is my grandad. I think I have the answer to where Joseph (the one who married mary ann) was in the 1881 census. He shows up still in Largs aged 13 living with his grandmother Ellen Forrest 73 and her other grandson called James Murdoch. It looks like the rest of the family went to Greenock but he stayed with his Granny. regards Anne
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Margaret and Joseph where married 1869 or it could 1867 - Joseph is 24 I think - PM your email address and I can send you on a copy.
Margaret is missing from a family census, can't remember which one , it seems she may have been in Jail at the time
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anyone who is conected to me is welcome to PM their email address and I will send you an invite to my ancestry tree.
I wouldn't reley on the census for ages, espically the 1841 census
Margaret and Joseph had 2 kids before they married Elizabeth born 1863 and John B 1865
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to wee mary; I have the copy of margeret & joseph's wedding cert. But I have to ask, how do you know Margaret was in Jail and do you know what for? regards, anne
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I have their wedding cert as well.
I am not sure if Margaret was in Jail - however I was given the following info by a guy who is doing a data base of all Forrests and this is what he found for me
There is a Margaret Fulton aged about 30 in Greenock Prison in the 1871 census. Could be your lass and would explain why we can't find her in 1871 with Joseph and children.
I can't find court case in the NAS records. still to Check local newspaper archives, its where to start though
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Forgot to add Joseph the father was married 3 times. I have the marriage certs for Maria and Elizabeth, not for Sarah and Joseph
1. Sarah Moonie/Mooney
2. Maria Williamson - 1850
3. Elizabeth Robinson 1866
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to siouxsue. You are following exactly the same line as me, as Robert Ralston Fulton is my grandad. I think I have the answer to where Joseph (the one who married mary ann) was in the 1881 census. He shows up still in Largs aged 13 living with his grandmother Ellen Forrest 73 and her other grandson called James Murdoch. It looks like the rest of the family went to Greenock but he stayed with his Granny. regards Anne
Anne,
Thank for your reply, I haven't been on here for a while so have only just seen it recently.
Yes, a short while after my initial post i also found Joseph living with Ellen in Largs, also with the James Murdoch.
I've tied up a few things in relation to the Fulton line but not got beyong James Fulton and Elizabeth McNeil unfortunately.
Thanks again
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Hi Mary,
Thanks for your reply,
I have Joseph and Margarets Marriage cert, yes 1867 in Largs.
At the time i posted i had only been looking into the Fultons for a day or two and new to census lookups therefore the ages and dates etc where a bit confusing, lol
I've since tied up most of the queries i had then and filling out the tree branches and i find bits and pieces.
I've been doing all of my family at the same time so jumping from one line to another, so it's been a while since i looked at the Fulton line.
You mentioned Margaret being missing from a census, is this Margaret Forrest born c. 1842 in Largs and definitely the 1871 census where she would be approx 29 yrs old ?
I'm sure i have them all together in Greenock in 1871 ??
I may be getting confused as i said i havent looked over the Fulton lines for a few weeks but think Margaret and Joseph are together with 4 kids and Margarets sister also living with them at that time.
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I haven't found them on 1871 census yet - will need to look at my notes again
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Hello Allan
My father was John Thomas Stillwell Fulton, son Elizabeth Mitchell Fulton, b 1893 in Paisley. She was the daughter of Peter Fulton and Catherine Ferrier. He was the son of David Fulton married to Ann Balnave. David was the son of Hugh Fulton and Agnes Gibson. Do you think these Fulton's may somehow be related to the Mitchell family? I am puzzled about the name Mitchell in my grandmother's name and there was family/families of Mitchells in Paisley. I don't often come on to RootsChat so maybe you can contact me via e-mail:(*) Kind Regards, Dale
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AllanWD:
I have only one Fulton lead. Mary McKenna married a brother of my great-grandfather, John Cairns, December 22, 1877 in Johnstone, Renfrewshire. Mary's parents were George McKenna and Mary Fulton (McKenna).
John Cairns, along with his mother and siblings, came from the Gilford, County Down area sometime in the early to mid 1870's and lived in the Johnstone/Kilbarchan villiages. John owned a bootmaking shop in Houston Square for many years 19th and early 20th centuries. Like you, I wonder if there were relatives in the area or if it was just employment that drew the family to the area.
You might try Scotland's People for the marriage record of George McKenna and Mary Fulton. The death record for Mary might also give you a clue about her parents and birth place.
Donn Cairns
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Hi Donn!
My father was looking into his family tree and came across your post, it turns out we are related!
My father, grandfather and I are family-tree buffs. So we would LOVE to get in contact with you to find out more. Reply to this topic and we can get in touch!
I hope you get this message!
regards,
Daniel Cairns
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Hello Daniel,
Thanks for your contact. What an exciting way to begin a new day.
I have sent a message to the email address you gave me.
Regards,
Donn Cairns
Colorado Springs, CO
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Hello I am yet another relative. James Fulton married to Elizabeth Pattison was my ggg grandfather. I too have got to his death where father given as James Fulton and mother unknown McNeil. Sioux sue gives a name of Elizabeth and wondered where you found that?
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Possibly of limited help, but there is a Fulton Crescent in Kilbarchan - I lived there as a child.
The records office at Strathclyde Regional council archives (The replacement for Renfrewshire Council should be able to tell you which of the family the street as named after and why.
Perhaps give you a further insight into your history.
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Hello I am yet another relative. James Fulton married to Elizabeth Pattison was my ggg grandfather. I too have got to his death where father given as James Fulton and mother unknown McNeil. Sioux sue gives a name of Elizabeth and wondered where you found that?
I'm sorry, I haven't been on this board for some time and have only just gone over this post for the first time in years today while looking over some of my tree.
I am descendant from Joseph Fulton b. Circa 1806 in Ireland (he is my 4 x G.Grandfather) and on both his marriage and death certificates it states that his father was James Fulton and his mother Elizabeth McNeil (my 5 x G.Grandparents)
I am unaware of any definite siblings to Joseph as yet, although have found various Fultons in Kilbarchan who I have long suspected may be related, do you think then that your James and my Joseph could be brothers ?
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I'm a bit late to the party but I've been hopelessly stuck on my Forrest line for years. My great grandmother was Mabeth Maye Forrest born 1897 in Largs, Ayrshire, Scotland. She emigrated to Canada in (I believe) 1913.
I know she lived with her nan and grandad while in Scotland. Her father was a gamekeeper for Lord Kelvin but I don't know what his name was - I was told by a family member that her father died fairly young.
I was also told she had a sister that emigrated to Canada with her and moved to Napanee, ON, Canada but I also don't know the sister's name.
Any help at all would be much appreciated!