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Doing some research on my extended Mervyn family. Don't know much about these guys, possible brothers of my great grand father, William Mervyn, Dublin, Ireland.
Thomas and Joseph Mervyn don't show up in the 1911 Ireland Census so I was wondering if they might have emigrated to Britain or beyond in the early 1900s?
Thomas Mervyn - only information I have is that he married in north Dublin, 1888.
Joseph Mervyn - only information I have is that he married in north Dublin, 1899.
Both born in Dublin circa 1860-1875.
Could be down as Mervin.
Thanks.
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I have reason to believe Thomas was my great grandfather. He had a son called William who later went to Belfast. I am trying my best to track him down and his family tree. I would be grateful if you would be able to help me.
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Presumable there would records of them being married! If I may ask what is your relationship to them. Not everyone may have been in that census in tose days? Martin
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Perhaps if you can tell us the details you have for Thomas and Joseph we might be able to find them somewhere- such as names of their wives, any known children, links to 1901 census. etc.
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From a free search on
www.rootsireland.ie
I can see they have a marriage record for a Thomas Mervyn in 1888 in St Pauls Arran Quay RC parish. I can also see that his father's name is William. You can buy the full transcript for €5.
There is a marriage in 1898, with bride's father's name William, listed on
www.irishgenealogy.ie
of Josephine Mervyn of 4 Summerhill Parade to a Francis Flynn of Richmond Cottages, where they are living for the 1901 census. Also in the 1901 are John and Christopher Mervyn living at 4 Summerhill. This family is originally from Kildare and those 3 children's births and 3 others (Margaret, Bridget and Anne Marie) are listed in rootsireland.ie, with mother's name Bridget Dunne also shown in the Ireland Births & Baptisms collection on www.familysearch.org. But there is no sign of a birth of a Thomas or Joseph, so perhaps this is the family of a different William Mervyn to Thomas's father. Or maybe you recognise some of these names?
Probably useful for you to buy the marriage record from 1888.
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It is a coincidence that my grandfather had 3 daughters called Margaret, Bridget and Anne. I will know more today. Thank you for your help. It all looks promising. My grandfather William was born in Dublin in 1889. Martin M
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Thomas Mervyn had an only son called William (also Thomas' father's name). William moved to Belfast and married Kathleen. He was born in Dublin in 1889. Can anyone help me with tracing the son of Thomas. Martin
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That helps. I can now see Thomas, wife Margaret and 12 year old son William in Belfast in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Falls/Murdocks_Street/951955/
Re-checking the 1888 Dublin marriage on rootsireland.ie bears out that Margaret was the brides first name. You need to buy the record to get her surname.
By 1911, Margaret is a widow:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Falls__Belfast_/Elizabeth_Street/180817/
Here's Thomas' death register index entry
name: Thomas Mervyn
registration district: Belfast
event type: DEATHS
registration quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1902
estimated birth year: 1860
age (at death): 42
volume number: 1
page number: 196
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This is my great grandfather Thomas Mervyn born in 1860. Very pleased to have traced those roots. Thank you for your help. This is very helpful. This is the most further back I have got. However I still need help. I am now trying to find Thomas Mervyn my great grandfather who was born in Dublin in 1860. Research suggests he had a brother called Joseph. This information is unconfirmed. He was a shoemaker. Please would somebody help. Martin
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I do not want to presume anything but it seems very likely this is the same Thomas Mervyn who lived in Murdocks Street in Belfast and had an only son William Joseph. It is the only record I have. There is oddly another family of Mervyns from Slate Street in Belfast. They originate from Dublin. Although teachers at school always ask me if I was related, I never thought I was remotely related. However I may be remotely related somewhere alon the line. Are you able to confirm this is the same Thomas Mervyn. Please! Thank you.
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Hi Martin,
Dave Mervyn is my name - Daisymershum comes from not being able to pronounce my name when I was a toddler! I'm from Dublin.
My great grandfather was William Mervyn, a brother of your Thomas Mervyn. Their father was William Mervyn (born circa 1827, possibly in England).
William Mervyn senior married Bridget Dunne in Dublin and had, by my estimations, 10 or 11 children. I have records for the following children:
William Mervyn (my great grandfather) married Catherine Power, Dublin. 1862-1901
Thomas Mervyn (your great grandfather) (living in Innisfallen Parade, Dublin at time of marriage) married Margaret Broderick (Prussia Street), Dublin. 1860?-1902. I have records for three of the four children they had - Thomas Joseph Mervyn born 1891 (was he born in Dublin? I had a birth/baptism cert for him from Belfast), Mary Brigid Mervyn (1892) and William Joseph Mervyn (?).
William and Thomas' brothers and sisters were: Margaret, Anne Marie or Maria, John, Christopher, Bridget, Ellen, Josephine (there was no Joseph!) Mary and Catherine (Kate). All were born between 1860 and 1876. I actually think Bridget (Dunne) might have died giving birth to Bridget in 1876.
Most of these settled in Dublin in the 1880s/1890s after the family had spent a fair time in Celbridge, Co. Kildare while William snr worked as a lodge keeper. Shoemaking or bootmaking was the family trade.
William snr and his sons were all bootmakers and worked in various premises in Dublin. Mostly Innisfallen Parade, Berkely Road and the north inner city.
Some of the girls were teachers in Celbridge and elsewhere, Ellen and Kate. The Belfast link is interesting because Kate married a Vallely and moved to Belfast and Thomas and Margaret (Broderick) also moved to Belfast.
William snr, your great great grandfather, died in Dublin in 1891, aged 64. He was living at 13 Innisfallen Parade at the time. He is down as a bootmaker and widower. He is buried in an unmarked grave in Glasnevin cemetery, the cause of death was 'debility'.
Unfortunately, with living in tenements and te poor conditions/spread of diseases, some of William and Thomas' sibilings died at a young age. Maria died a few months before William snr in 1891, aged 19. Ellen died in 1894, aged 34. Both are buried with William snr in Glasnevin.
My own great grandfather, William jnr, died of phthisis in 1901 in Dublin, aged 39. He was a bootmaker at the time in Berkely Road. He had three sons, William (stone carver), Patrick (clerk, Captain in Irish Army) and Michael (electrical engineer, Trade Union President and Irish Citizen Army member from 1916 Easter Rising). Michael was father to my own dad, Michael.
Of what I've looked into regarding the Mervyns who moved north, these are my census links:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Falls/Murdocks_Street/951955/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Smithfield/Albert_Street/972482/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Falls__Belfast_/Elizabeth_Street/180817/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Smithfield/Albert_Street/184986/
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Martin,
Are those other Mervyns in Slate Street definitely from Dublin? The census records for 1911 has their birthplaces as Belfast city.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Falls__Belfast_/Slate_Street/181919/
If there were other Mervyns from Dublin in Belfast, that might explain why a couple of the siblings moved there. As you can see, William and Thomas are names that continued through the generations.
Actually, my own grandfather was called Michael Thomas Mervyn and he's down as Thomas in the 1901 census: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Inns_Quay/Berkely_Road/1323892/
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Dave,
I have got your message and very excited about what you have told me.Extremely excited. I am at work now but will be in touch soon. It goes without saying that I would like to meet you! Martin
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James Mervyn, a wood turner in George Street, is down in the 1877 directory for Belfast.
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1877m.htm
Thomas Mervyn, a bootmaker at 4 Murdock Street, is there in the 1901 directory for Belfast.
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1901M.htm
John Vallely, Kate Mervyn's husband, is down as a preparing master at 81 Albert Street in 1907.
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/acomplete1907.htm
Margaret Mervyn, 46 Elizabeth Street.
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ecomplete1907.htm
Margaret Mervyn, 46 Elizabeth Street.
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ecomplete1910.htm
Margaret Mervyn, 46 Elizabeth Street.
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ecomplete1918.htm
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Dave,
I am still at work but I am very grateful for all your help. It would nice to meet you one day. My dad William grandson of Thomas Mervyn died recently and for the first time we are exploring our roots. It is extremely helpful to talk to you. At the funeral we had a long discussion about our roots. There is supposedly a Welsh connection which given the name is logical. We are yet to get that far. No doubt I will be in touch to fill in the cracks. Will speak soon. Martin
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Sorry for your loss Martin.
Sometimes it takes something like a bereavement or a family member moving away to spark interest in family history and roots.
Ideally, I'd like to go back beyond the original William Mervyn and as you said, the name suggests Welsh or English origin.
Did you dad have any photos of his grandfather? That's what we're really lacking for the Dublin Mervyns. Their photos have all been lost or thrown out. I have photos of my grandfather Michael, but nobody earlier than him.
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Dave, My brother has some old photos that may shed some light on Dublin Mervyns. He has a suitcase of old photos that may shed some light on the past. I He is due to sort them out soon. We have become a big clan of Mervyn's in Belfast. I will ask my uncles and aunts and see if they have any old photos. Oddly enough there are several different big clans of Mervyns in Belfast. We are 'not related'. Somewhere along the line we must be related! Mervyn is not a very common name especially when we research how many there were in previous centurys. There is a Mervyn clan in Canada. David I would love to speak to you and meet in Dublin. We are proposing a trip there at some time but firstly we are frantically putting together the family tree when is taking shape and fast! Catch up soon! Martin
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Thomas Mervyn (your great grandfather) (living in Innisfallen Parade, Dublin at time of marriage) married Margaret Broderick (Prussia Street), Dublin. 1860?-1902. I have records for three of the four children they had - Thomas Joseph Mervyn born 1891 (was he born in Dublin? I had a birth/baptism cert for him from Belfast), Mary Brigid Mervyn (1892) and William Joseph Mervyn (?).
David, this is a tall order. If you have family details of my great father and especially his 3 children I would appreciate a scanned copy if you are able to do this or let me know where I can get some of these details. Much appreciatedd your help so far.
Martin M
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Thomas Mervyn (your great grandfather) (living in Innisfallen Parade, Dublin at time of marriage) married Margaret Broderick (Prussia Street), Dublin. 1860?-1902. I have records for three of the four children they had - Thomas Joseph Mervyn born 1891 (was he born in Dublin? I had a birth/baptism cert for him from Belfast), Mary Brigid Mervyn (1892) and William Joseph Mervyn (?).
My grandfather was William Jospeh Mervyn 1889-1979. I have no record of Thomas Joseph Mervyn born 1891, Mary Brid Mervyn 18992 or the other child unless they died young! Would someone help me! Martin
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Thomas Mervyn (your great grandfather) (living in Innisfallen Parade, Dublin at time of marriage) married Margaret Broderick (Prussia Street), Dublin. 1860?-1902. I have records for three of the four children they had - Thomas Joseph Mervyn born 1891 (was he born in Dublin? I had a birth/baptism cert for him from Belfast), Mary Brigid Mervyn (1892) and William Joseph Mervyn (?).
David, this is a tall order. If you have family details of my great father and especially his 3 children I would appreciate a scanned copy if you are able to do this or let me know where I can get some of these details. Much appreciatedd your help so far.
Martin M
Hi Martin,
Thanks for the replies. Yeah, would be great to see you in Dublin. Two grand nephews of Thomas Mervyn are still surviving in Dublin, my own father Michael Mervyn and his brother Patrick Mervyn.
If you register on www.rootsireland.ie - pay site - you can purchase transcriptions of records. It seems like the other three children may have passed away at an early age, but I can't find any death records for them. Just their births.
On the 1911 census, it seems to suggest that Margaret is a widower and has four children, only one of which survived - William.
I have the following...
Date of Marriage: 30-Jul-1888
Parish / District: ST.PAUL'S ARRAN QUAY County: Co. Dublin
Name: Thomas Mervyn Margaret Broderick
Address: 77 Innisfallen Parade 71 Prussia Street
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Husband's Father Wife's Father
Name: William Mervyn Michael Broderick
Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
Name: Bridget Dunne Ellen Murphy
Name: Thomas Joseph Mervin (should be Mervyn) Date of Baptism/Birth: 22-Apr-1891
Address: 92 Albert Street Parish/District: ST. PETER'S, BELFAST CO ANTRIM
County Co. Antrim
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Thomas Mervin Mother: Margaret Brodrick
Sponsor 1 /Informant 1: Catherine T Vallely (Thomas' sister)
Name: William Joseph Mervyn Date of Baptism/Birth: 21-Mar-1891
Address: 52 Albert Street Parish/District: URBAN 4 CIVIL, BELFAST
County Co. Antrim
Denomination: Civil Parish / District
Father: Thomas Mervyn Mother: Maggie Broderick
Occupation: Shoemaker
Sponsor 1 /Informant 1: Mary Keogh
Name: Mary Brigid Mervyn Date of Baptism/Birth: 10-Jul-1892
Address: 52 Albert Street Parish/District: ST. PETER'S, BELFAST CO ANTRIM
County Co. Antrim
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Thomas Mervyn Mother: Margaret Broderick
Sponsor 1 /Informant 1: Mary Sherwood (Thomas' sister)
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David, This is very helpful information. I am very grateful for it. The picture is becoming clearer. I have that longing now to meet the Mervyn's from Dublin. My grandfather William and greatgrandfather seemed to have lost contact with the Dublin Mervyn's.
What you have given me has helped enourmously. Will be in touch soon.
Martin
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David, I spoke to my cousing Mary last night. Her mother Margaret (daughter of William Joseph Mervyn) in Belfast had her 85th birthday last night. She is searching for any photos of the Dublin Mervyn's. I did mention the prospect of a Mervyn clan gathering. A generation of Mervyn's in Belfast are dying off. We realise we have to do something quick! Of course a gathering would need time to organize but got to be done before they all disappear!
I will speaking to my cousin soon to get any information. Oh as I remember Veronica was the child that is not named in Thomas' (my greatfather) family. David you have been extremely helpful in helping me - but I have another request. Do you have a family tree at your end. I have got the family of your decendant William Mervyn (married to Catherine Power) along with brothers and sisters) including brother Thomas but do you have a family tree going downwards from the branch of William and Thomas. Will be in touch soon. Thanks for your help in anticipation.
Martin M
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David,
I am very sorry for the long delay in getting to you. Extensive searches have been done at our end to locate any photo of Thomas Mervyn or any other connection. Unfortunately with all the Mervyn tribe in Belfast no photos exist. We have had several gatherings and nobody seems to have anything beyond my grandfather William. Photographs were not a big thing in those days!
The mystery continues! My great grandfather and great grandmother Thomas and Margaret (Broderick) had set up a shoemaking business in the Lower Falls area of Belfast making shoes for the police. In those days a very profitable business.
Will update you with any leads.
Martin M
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David,
Have not heard from you for a while. Did you ever locate our relaties from the cemetary in Kildare. Did you ever get to the bottom it.
Have you got any more specific details of William Mervyn Snr born 1927 in England in terms of specific birth date or possibly where in England.
Martin
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Hello. I'm Mo Fahey and my great grandmother was Ellen Broderick, sister of the Margaret Broderick who married Thomas Mervyn 1888. My cousins and I are researching the Broderick side of the family but have come to a few dead ends (if you'll pardon the pun). We cannot trace Ellen's birth, nor indeed Margaret's, although we have managed to glean quite a few other details along the way. My Aunt Molly used to mention her great aunt Annie, who lived at (79?) Abyssinia Street, Antrim - Annie was there in 1939 when my uncle Jimmy Fahey enlisted in the RAF from that address (although he actually lived at Rialto, in Dublin, at the time) but I seem to recall Molly saying that the family were burned out during the Troubles. I would love to know more about the Antrim branch of the family. Re photos, I have one of Margaret Broderick's parents, Michael and Ellen, with a young woman who we were told was Ellen. The girl on this photo does not look too much like the one in the photo of Ellen on her wedding day so I wonder if it was in fact Margaret? It would be lovely to hear from you.
Best wishes
Mo
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Hello - my great grandmother was Ellen Broderick and I think she was the sister of the Margaret Broderick who married your Thomas Mervyn. I have a photograph of my great, great grandparents, Michael and Ellen Broderick, with a young boy (Michael junior) and a young woman who is said to have been Ellen junior, ie my great grandma, but I think it is in fact one of her sisters.
The Brodericks lived on Tighe Street, Manor Street and Prussia Street in the 1800s.
Can we exchange information please?
Thanks
Mo Fahey
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Hi there.
I have read with very much interest the information you have shared regarding the Mervyns. My great, grand father was Thomas Mervyn, born in Belfast 1887. His father James Mervyn (1843)was from Dublin. James's father was a Michael Mervyn and he was also a shoe maker (this information is on James's wedding certificate 1865). I can't believe how many similarities there are between the Mervyn's in Dublin and Belfast. A family of Dublin Mervyns moved to Murdock Street and you mention children baptised at St Peter's which is where all the Belfast Mervyns were baptised. James and Rose Ann Mervyn also lived on Albert Street, Belfast where Rose died 1891. All the same names are still running through both families, Michael, William, Thomas, James, Patrick etc. Plus both families are Catholic. It would be lovely to find a connection between the 2 families. Who knows, maybe your great grandfather William and Michael (James's father)were brothers or cousins.
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hmp/
Peter Kelly and Margaret Mervyn marriage 1897
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/e8f2720060597
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.mary%27s-pro-cath_mf_1862-1881_ma_0427
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/ccff206978737
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Ellen Broderick born 20th March 1859 at 2 Old Kilmainham
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/0488cb0332902
right hand page
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633559#page/64/mode/1up
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hms/
Michael 1867
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPC8-NJF
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FY5R-1WP
possible death in 1880
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FT9C-6J3 buried Glasnevin
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Maria I am interested in your lineage. My late husband Gerald’s grandmother was a Mary Jane McKenna who married a Thomas Francis Mervyn after his first wife Mary Connolly passed away in 1922 of the Spanish Flu.