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I was given a family photograph of "Robert and Mary, Thomas and Lizzie."
I would like to confirm this is a photo of Robert Doak and Mary Glassie and daughter Elizabeth Doak and husband Thomas Rogers. Other photos may also be from these families.
Robert is the son of William Doak and Jane Hull of Ballynagarrick, Co Down, Ireland. Robert probably had a son Samuel James Hull Doak b. abt 1893 who was in Poverty Bay at one point and who married Ethel Emily Dunlop. Samuel J.H. died in 1924 and is buried in Christchurch.
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Hi
There are some researchers on A$try? they may be able to help
If you haven't a membership, someone can make contact on your behalf
BYe
Althea
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Thanks, but I can't find any mention of that site on Google and I am not a member. Will you describe the site?
I did find a few extra children who died in infancy- Robert Alexander Doak b 1891 and William Glassie Doak b. 1890. Thomas Rogers may be William Thomas Rogers, but I can''t find details on him.
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Will pm you the deails its a pay site, so we don't usually advertise the full name hence the shortened version ;D
sorry for the confusion
Bye
Althea
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Marriage for Robert and Mary
1886/3143 Mary Glassy Robert Doak
Marriage for Elizabeth and Thomas
1921/4776 Elizabeth Doak William Thomas Rogers
Children for Robert and Mary
1887/11347 Doak Elizabeth to Mary and Robert
1889/13802 Doak William Glassie to Mary and Robert
1891/10941 Doak Robert Alexander to Mary and Robert
1893/4181 Doak Samuel James Hull to Maryand Robert
Cheers Janette
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it appears that 2 of the Robert and Mary's sons died in infancy
1890/1453 Doak William Glassie 5M
1892/1285 Doak Robert Alexander 6M
Cheers Janette
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Robert Doak arrived in Canterbury NZ on the 22 Mar 1883 aboard the "Crusader"
age 23 from Down occupation farm labourer
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cfg/
Cheers Janette
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Thanks so much. I think I can get into A$try at the local federal center next week.
I gather William Thomas Rogers's family if there were one offers the best hope for picture ID.
I have lots of other families in NZ mainly in Canterbury area. Do you know of an index to that immigration site? I've not seen that site before and keep going in circles as I am sent here and there by their informational sites.
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I find the Family Search very good for ships lists
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=AUSTRALIA_NEW_ZEALAND
Cheers Janette
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I have sent some messages to the tree holders to come and visit this thread..sadly a couple hadn't logged in recently so may not have current membership.
Anyway if you can get to your library sometime it will be worth looking at their trees
Goodluck
Althea
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The search works well. Thanks for all the help.
I think I know which person you refer to, but the e-mail has changed.
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Hi
I am one of the people who had a message via A$$
My interest is in the Glassey family on whom I have lots of info but you may have lots already or it may be too far out for you need.
The Doak info in this thread is interesting
Jo
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That's wonderful. I have nothing on the Glassy family and would like to hear about them. Admittedly, they are not a major interest of mine, but I like to know about family backgrounds of spouses, where they were from and what they did.
The pictures belonged to my gt grandfather's brother. His wife was Ann Jane Doak, the sister of Robert Doak. Almost no pictures were labeled and the labels usually lacked surnames.
I will send a PM with my address and will send that picture and a few others when I get your address. You may be able to tell if they were taken in NZ as they don't look like they were taken in Ireland. If they are, they would probably be of Cairns, Wilsons, Doaks, or Rogers in the Canterbury/Christchurch area. I'd really like to know if this is Mary Glassy and daughter Elizabeth even if you have to guess from general characteristics.
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Hi
I also received a message via A$$!
I have only recently started researching this thread of my family tree so I don't have much information yet except what I've been able to get from various sites. My gt grandmother was Martha Doak and she married my gt grandfather Thomas McCutcheon in 1900 in Tullylish N Ireland.
I believe we are connectedvia her gt grandfather John Doak who was the brother of Alexander Doak, your William Doak's father.
I would be interested in sharing any info you may have - the family seem to have spread far and wide! My grandfather married in Dublin and my father came to England. We have only just realised we have a N Ireland connection at all!
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This is fascinating. I've been searching for families who knew the Doaks as their church records are said to be too confusing to follow. Is that John Doak who married Nancy Ann McDowell?
Martha was a widow when she married Thomas. Her previous husband was Joseph Doak, son of Joseph, I guessed, but I also have some confusion about Sarah, another possible wife. After the second marriage, several of the children, Samuel Edward, Alexander, and Elizabeth emigrated to Amsterdam, NY. It is not impossible for one photograph taken in NY to be Alexander's family. I will try to find a picture on-line of Alexander and match faces.
I have several John Doaks in my tree including John who married Eleanor Joyce and also James H. (father John)who married Jane Johnston. It is possible one or more may be your John Doak. If you post 2 more times, I can send you my e-mail address by P(ersonal) M(essage)
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Am I off. That Alexander is not involved. His mother is Sarah, so please ignore that. Samuel Edmund and Abraham, who I assumed were stepsons, have ages that look wrong for that. They may just be staying at the home of your folks. A Joseph Doak had just died, and I assumed this was their father.
There is a Samuel Edmund Doak, the son of Samuel and Martha (Maxwell) Doak listed as Edmund in 1901. He emigrates to NY. This Samuel E. lists slightly different birthdates. However, he lists a brother Alexander in NY who is apparently James Alexander Doak. Doaks seem to have all the same names.
Instead of that family, let me look for Abraham who may be the man who married Jennie Balmer and went to Albany, NY. Possibly there are parents named for him in an obituary.
Any names and relationships of relatives you have would be gratefully received.
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This is a long shot, but maybe worth a mention just in case..
I have been trying to trace a granduncle called Thomas Rodgers, born Belfast N Ireland 1898. The last trace of him was in Hay NSW Australia, where he had joined the army and then disappeared. He had been in the British army through WW1, and and also posted in India, according to records.
His father was called William. He was orphaned very young, then straight into the army, so had a tough life. His brother, my grandfather, never did find out what happened to him, although they made whatever enquiries they could at the time. He was in Hay NSW from May to September 1941.
Could this be your Thomas, or William Rogers. I have photos of his brother, my grandfather, and could maybe discern a likeness if any photos exist.
A long shot I know....
Lucy
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I was given a family photograph of "Robert and Mary, Thomas and Lizzie."
I would like to confirm this is a photo of Robert Doak and Mary Glassie and daughter Elizabeth Doak and husband Thomas Rogers. Other photos may also be from these families.
Robert is the son of William Doak and Jane Hull of Ballynagarrick, Co Down, Ireland. Robert probably had a son Samuel James Hull Doak b. abt 1893 who was in Poverty Bay at one point and who married Ethel Emily Dunlop. Samuel J.H. died in 1924 and is buried in Christchurch.
Just spotted this record, do you think this is yours?
School Records
Robt DOAK
Oamaru South School
Reg' 32
Admission dated 16 May 1877
Parent Wm DOAK
Address is ' White Rocks'
DOB 28 May 1868
Last school was Grammer school for 2 years
Last day 28 Mar 1879
Cheers
Del
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And another, I realise these are not pictures, which was your main aim
Lizzie DOAK
Belfast School
Reg 345
Admission 10 Feb 1894
Parent Robert DOAK
Address, Belfast
DOB 01 Oct 1887
I might P.M the others to you if your wanting them?
Del
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Elizabeth Ann DOAK
School Sacred Heart Timaru
Reg 245
Admission 24 Feb 1894
Parent Samuel DOAK
Address Napier St
Birthdate 27 Jul 1888
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I have a booklet on NZ Doaks called "Job Doak of Fernside" which lists early NZ Doaks. It is said about 7 families are involved. This information is from that booklet.
Possibly Samuel is the son of Job Doak and Ellen Joyce of Gilford, Co Down. Samuel married Lucy Toner and Timaru is mentioned. Elizabeth Ann was christened or born Mar 25, 1889. They would be related to Ballynagarrick Doaks.
William Doak was born in Ayr, Scotland, son of Robert and Margaret (Martin) Doak. He was at Oamaru and had a son Robert b. 1868, William b 1869. The were quarriers and only a few grandchildren are listed. It sounds like the first family.
Robert Doak of Belfast NZ married Mary Glassie of Tyrone, Ireland and had Elizabeth said to be born 1887. A sister of Robert (christened Feb 12, 1860) is Elizabeth Doak christened June 7, 1852 who married James McLean of Ballybrittle, Ireland in NZ. They would be Ballynagarrick area Doaks of Alexander Doak's son William. So that Belfast reference is to the lady in the photograph.
The author did not think James Doak b, 1830ish and Margaret b 1823 to John Doak and Mary Donaldson were related to the Ballynagarrick Doaks. Apparently there are questions about that. Christchurch is the area they lived in.
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Thanks for the response!
I've gone back and checked but I can't find any record of a Martha Doak marrying before she married my gt grandfather. The only other Martha Doak listed married a Joseph Rudduck in 1861. My Martha was born in 1866.
I found the record for Martha Maxwell marrying Samuel Doak on 27 Jan 1870 at Newmills Presbyterian Church in Tullylish and have found 2 children - Sarah Jane b 12 Nov 1870 and James Alexander b 26 Oct 1872.
Not sure who Abraham and Samuel are! Abraham was born in Lurgan 1894. Don't think Samuel is Samuel Edmund as Samuel E was born Jan-Mar 1881 which would make him 20 by the time the census was taken on 31st March. There is another Samuel Doak born in the same area between June and Sep of the same yaer. Ive ordered certificates for both - will let you know what I find out :)
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I agree with you with Martha was probably single. However, this is what I have.
Doaks tend to be loose with the dates and actual relationships. In NY is Samuel Edmund born July 13, 1882 who emigrated 1905. He said M. McCutcheon of Ballynagarrick was his mother per Ellis Island. He also says he is a coudin of Mary Fowler which probably makes him related to the Joyce/Doaks. He leaves brothers Joseph and William J. Doak in Ireland and had a sister Elizabeth b abt 1886 who emigrated and Sarah Jane who married a Boyce. Sarah Jane's birth year varies in the Irish census and the Maxwell Sarah Jane seems to have married Samuel Giffen. No parents are listed in the obituary.
Abram or Abraham Doak has about the same birthdate as the one in your house. He had son Stanley and probably Henry. I am not finding much on them.
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I left off brother Alexander.
The obituaries of Alexander and of Elizabeth both say that Joseph and Sarah were parents. Possibly Joseph living with the McCutcheons in 1911 is the father. He says he was born in 1930 and might be the widower in 1901. I don't see any record of a Joseph and Sarah being married. However Joseph, Sr. who died in 1922 had son Joseph m. Sarah. Son was an embroiderer. No other children were mentioned.
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It is too bad the will was not spelled out for Joseph, Sr. Joseph (Sarah), one of the executors and undoubtedly a relative, must mean Joseph is the son of Sarah who had an illegitimate son in 1866. The dates and job matches. So, parents Joseph and Sarah are still missing.
Both (Valentine and Priscilla) and (Joseph and Isabella) named what may be their first children Martha and Joseph, but they were often Episcopalian. Your Martha's first child is named Joseph. Do you know her father's name or any siblings?
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Hi
Martha's parents were:
Joseph Doak b 1829 and Elizabeth Spence b 1828 married 1865
I haven't been able to find any siblings for Martha and I'm guessing that given their ages at the time of marrying it's possible it was a second marriage for at least one of them.
I have siblings for Joseph Doak: Mary b 1823, John b 1825 James b1833 John b 1835 and Rachel b 1845. I also have a possible Job and an Anne Jane.
I'm assuming my grandfather Joseph McCutcheon was named for Martha's father
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I now have a marriage certificate for Martha Doak. It reads:
Martha Doak (spinster) of Full age residing in Ballynagarrick, father Joseph Doak (weaver)
married
Thomas McCutcheon (batchelor) of Full age labourer residing in Ballydougan, father William McCutcheon (blacksmith)
3rd May 1900 Newmills Presbyterian Church
witnessed by Joseph and Minnie Doak.
Not sure if this Joseph is her father or another Joseph (there seem to be loads!) The only marriage I can find for 2 people of thisname is on the 1901 census but there ages would make it more likely to be Martha's brother.
Hope this is useful. Will let you know what else I find!
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That's great. That Joseph and Mary were married at High Street Methodist in Lurgan in 1890. The daughter is adopted. They are listed next to Sarah and Elizabeth in 1901 census.
If Joseph and Sarah are your Martha's parents, then that Joseph is in the right age bracket for a brother. Sarah b. 1850ish and Elizabeth b 1885 in Ballynagarrick would be Martha's mother and sister. Sarah died in 1909 and Elizabeth joined family in Amsterdam, NY at that time. She and brother Alexander both say they have parents Joseph and Sarah. Samuel Edmund Doak does not mention his parents, but says brothers Joseph and William J. are still alive in Ireland in 1942. Sister Sarah Jane d. 1959 was then married to Samuel James Boyce and was in Ballydougan. Her grandson was Edmund McIlwaine. Did Martha died before 1942?
William J. could easily be William John who married Sarah Jane Doak in 1903. Samuel George and William E. are their children. Wm J was in the military and the births don't seem to be in the civil records. Perhaps that is be the case for Joseph and Sarah. However, there is a page at the end of the yearly and quarterly civil records for odd additions which may not have been transcribed on-line. I can check on that.
A friend will later search Newmills records, so I am gathering up Doak information to try to make it less confusing.
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Hi, My great grandfather Samuel Doak came to NZ on the Clipper Ship, Crusader. I have his certificate? From this trip. My grandfather was Sam, sister of Lizzie, and my Father, Samuel Ivon Walter (now deceased) His only living sibling is Eric Roger Doak, a aged 85. I wonder whether the photograph sent from Belfast NZ is of Samuel, Mary and their children , Sam and Lizzie as I have a photograph of that group. I have only just managed to join up to this site- am not very computer literate, so am hoping this gets to the right person- was so excited to see their names here and to know that somewhere someone is collecting this data. My sister has the marriage certificate of Samuel Doak and Mary Glassey. Aunt Lizzie and Will Rogers did not have any children. Hope this is of some help.
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Welcome Suew4
make a couple more replies to this thread, even just say "hello"
because once you have made 3 posts then you can contact people via the private messafe system the little icon is on the left side of a message
great way for passing on emails, private info
I'm sure the poster you want will check back in soon
Bye
althea
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The picture has "Lizzie & Will Rogers Mary & Robert Doak Nov 11, 1936" on the back side. The other picture I recently noticed has nothing on the back side, but the people look similar. I think Will is on the right and Lizzie is towards the left, but 5 additional people, 3 males and 2 females, are in the picture behind older Mary and Robert. It sounds as if Ethel and 3 sons plus either a daughter or a son's wife might be the extra people. If I send the picture, would you be able to recognize people?
Robert was the immigrant, I thought, and he was the son of William Doak and Jane Hull. Wm and Jane were married April 22, 1851 and had twins Elizabeth and William in 1852 who seem to have died. Possibly a William John was born 1853-1854. Alexander was born in 1854 and I have nothing on him. William John born 1857 died young and another child born 1861 was given that name. If he survived, he might have been a teacher. Elizabeth was born 1862, married James McLean probably in NZ in 1886 and had 4 sons and 2 daughters. Anne Jane born 1864 married Boyd McCleary and had 10 children. Dau Margaret's descendent is on Rootschat. Sarah Doak b 1866 and James Alexander Doak b 1868, m. Jane Eliz. Wilson were said to have moved to Dromore. Houston b 1871 became a P.P. engineer, whatever that is and may have run a bicycle shop at one time.
Wm was the son of Alexander Doak and Jane, a weaver. They also had sons Samuel (b. 1834,m. Martha Maxwell), Elizabeth (2nd wife of James Brown), Margaret N. (b 1833, m. James Doak), and James Doak (claims 1822 birth, m. Deborah Heaney in 1853) Possibly there were other children. An Alexander and Jane Doak had children Alexander in 1835, Mary Jane in 1847, and Alice in 1849 baptized at Tullylish COI, however it is not uncommon for several Doak couples to have the same given names.
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Yes, this is the same family. I expect that the 3 boys are the sons of Ethel and Sam - Robert, Eric and Ivon (Samuel) - my late Father. The girl will be my late Aunt Grace who was born a few years before Ethel and Sam married, and not his daughter. Am unsure whether she was legally adopted by Sam or not, but went by the Doak name. Attempts by her children to obtain her birth certificate have been blocked for some reason, quite odd. They were a very close family. Sam, Mary, Aunt Lizzie, Will and my own Father, are all buried at Belfast Cemetery Christchurch Nz.
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If these 2 pictures were mailed to Ann Jane (Doak) McCleary, do you have any of her family preferably with names on the back. Boyd and dau Mary Ann visited Amsterdam, NY, so I can clearly identify them and Ms. Timbers thinks one picture might look like her memory of Margaret, but the rest of the family images are guesses.
Son Wm lived with my gt grandfather's family in NY, but I have only a single picture of him late in life and a newly found passport picture.
Also have a picture of 3 young clean shaven men maybe in their 20's? (1880's?) taken in Banbridge. I think they are Doaks, but one might be my McC gt grandfather before emigration. Also have a very old picture of a widowed lady, probably not a McC, but have no idea whom. Do you have any pictures from Ireland?
Also a mystery is the "tragic death" of a son of Ann Jane. Did you ever hear of that?
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I have another photograph which has been examined over by a friend with wide experiences and a magnifying glass. He says this of a military man in a "lemon squeezer" hat, a sign of a NZer. The man is wearing medical corp insignia. Is this anyone you know?
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Hi, just read that you are researching information about your g- grandmother Martha Mc cutcheon. I find this very interesting as i too am researching into family history. I noticed that my husband,s grandfather John, George Doak a bootmaker lived at ballydugan during the 1901 census and at castle hill st when 1911 census form was taken, i think that the Joseph Doak who stayed with your Mc Cutheons is possibly my husbands g grandfather. I read earlier that Martha was a Doak and that Joseph is her father. I remember my father- in -law say one time something about a Mc Cutcheon family, unfortunately he is no longer living and all his brothers and sisters are passed on too. Do you know any of martha's brothers or sisters if any and who Rebecca Doak was married to, i think she was a widow in 1901 census at thompsons row.My husband and i as well as our children belong to Newmills Pres Church, his brother and his wife and family attend there also. Our surname is now Doak with an e on the end of it. If i can help you in anyway dont be afraid to ask, i have recently jotted down lists of names of Doak births, baptisms and marriages taken from the church register as well as taking down names of Doaks from gravestones in Newmills.
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I have not been able to find Rebecca's marriage at Newmills. Mary Anne is registered as a Banbridge birth Jan-Mar 1892. That should give parents. The civil records list a Rebecca Doak marrying William Donaldson in 1862 at Gilford Presbyterian, but no Rebeccas marrying male Doaks.
If Rebecca is not married then she may be from the line of David Doak and Rebecca b. before 1813. Their dau Rebecca married James Wilson in 1852, so she is not involved. Son Johnston moved to Canada where his dau Rebecca was married, so she is out. Son David was married and in Canada, but disappears from the records. His marriage is at Newmills, but son David was bapt. at Tullylish COI. The COI listing I have stops at 1854, so I'm not sure if there were more kids. I can't trace David and Rebecca's sons Alexander and Isaiah.
1. Joseph Doak b. abt 1829 had a father David. Is that the above David? He married Mary Jane Williamson in 1850. I can't follow them beyond that. Did he have dau Rebecca?
2. Joseph of Joseph Doak and Eliza Spence of Ballydougan may be with the McCutcheons. Nevertheless, there is no record of Eliza Spence having a dau Martha.
3. Joseph, husband of Sarah, has died by 1901 and Samuel Edmund is with the McCutcheons, though Mom is alive. Where was this couple earlier? Who are their children William J. and Joseph still in Ireland per obituaries? Did the McCutcheons take in distantly related Doaks for pay? Abraham married at the Gilford Presby Church in 1919, but who are his parents as he doesn't act like he is related to Joseph and Sarah.
Still working on Doaks, but Tullylish and Gilford churches may hold the clues.
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Hi there,
I was just researching my Mum's cousin who is Eric Roger Doak from Kirwee, Christchurch, New Zealand, who has just died (30.12.2011 aged 89) and found this website and, I am both on the Doak and Dunlop family trees.
I am from Christchurch, NZ and have been going to the Doak family picnics for most of my life and am keen to know more of my family tree.
Jeanette
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Happy New Year! We still have about 3 hours to go.
Reading from the booklet "Job Doak of Fernside" by Helen Halliwell of Christchurch, Robert Doak went to Lyttlelton in 1883. 3 years later he married Mary Glassie at Belfast and died there Mar 13, 1949. He was a soap maker and milkman at different times.
Ann Jane Doak m. Boyd McCleary and received at least 2 pictures from her brother of his family. The originals are held by her grandson in Ireland along with many unidentified pictures. The picture of the medical soldier may be from the grandson's wife's family collection. I'd be glad to send the 2, several of Ann jane Doak, or send all the pictures with as much ID as I can guess at. Perhaps someone there can recognize folks.
John Doak (emig 1863)of Wakanui is also closely related to my family through the Christchurch Wilsons. He was said to be a cousin of Job and had brothers in Amsterdam, NY where my McCLearys went. We also had other Doak marriages. I'm not sure whose reunion you go to. The booklet is very helpful for separating out the Co. Down Doaks from others. There is also a booklet on John.
I'd be glad to help out with the Irish tree, but Doak lines are tough as several families named children the same names. As they didn't keep track of birth years as we do, separating families is very hard. I can send Newmills and Knocknamuckley records that will help you see the original data and you can join in the best guessing.
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Hi Sue
My name is Jeanette Gregan and am a granddaughter of Sir William Dunlop, daughter of Judith Dunlop. I am too very excited to find out all this information, no doubt you will have heard about Eric's death on Friday, he was such a character and will be sadly missed.
Jeanette
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Hi Kat
Any information that you could send would be great, (am not sure how to share personal info so if you could advise that would be great). Also I have just found out that my Pastor's wife is related to a Dorothy Doak nee Ayers who lived in Rangiora (I would assume born in the early 1900's), do you have any information related to her, I could find out her husbands name but as it seems there were several Doak families and it may be no relation.
Thanks very much for your reply I really appreciate it, where abouts do you fit in on the family tree?
Happy New Year! We still have about 3 hours to go.
Reading from the booklet "Job Doak of Fernside" by Helen Halliwell of Christchurch, Robert Doak went to Lyttlelton in 1883. 3 years later he married Mary Glassie at Belfast and died there Mar 13, 1949. He was a soap maker and milkman at different times.
Ann Jane Doak m. Boyd McCleary and received at least 2 pictures from her brother of his family. The originals are held by her grandson in Ireland along with many unidentified pictures. The picture of the medical soldier may be from the grandson's wife's family collection. I'd be glad to send the 2, several of Ann jane Doak, or send all the pictures with as much ID as I can guess at. Perhaps someone there can recognize folks.
John Doak (emig 1863)of Wakanui is also closely related to my family through the Christchurch Wilsons. He was said to be a cousin of Job and had brothers in Amsterdam, NY where my McCLearys went. We also had other Doak marriages. I'm not sure whose reunion you go to. The booklet is very helpful for separating out the Co. Down Doaks from others. There is also a booklet on John.
I'd be glad to help out with the Irish tree, but Doak lines are tough as several families named children the same names. As they didn't keep track of birth years as we do, separating families is very hard. I can send Newmills and Knocknamuckley records that will help you see the original data and you can join in the best guessing.
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Hi,
It would pay to remove you email to avoid spam,it also not RC policy to put your email on the board.
You can use the PM system to swap email addys
http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
Cheers Janette
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Oh right, am new to all this, thanks for that.
Jeanette
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Also I have just found out that my Pastor's wife is related to a Dorothy Doak nee Ayers who lived in Rangiora (I would assume born in the early 1900's), do you have any information related to her, I could find out her husbands name but as it seems there were several Doak families and it may be no relation.
Hello Jeanetteg
Re: Dorothy DOAK (nee AYERS) ... just a few snippets from various indexes. Will leave you to establish if there's a connection to the other DOAKs. ;)
Ida Dorothy AYERS - wife of William Ellesmere DOAK.
[William E. was a farmer at Irwell in 1938 and later years. At time of his death (1983), he was resident at Leeston.]
NZ Birth
1904 - DOAK - William Ellesmere
s/o Mary Elizabeth and William George DOAK
Marriage
Mary Elizabeth QUIGLEY - William George DOAK -- 1892
Deaths
1983 - DOAK - William Ellesmere - d.o.b. 11 May 1904
1994 - DOAK - Ida Dorothy - d.o.b. 22 September 1911
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http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz
"Ellesmere Guardian" - 4 August 1933 - Wedding
.... a Miss D. AYERS is mentioned in the article of the DOAK wedding.
~ Lu
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Your pastor's wife is from the family of James of Leeston, son of John Doak and Mary Donaldson, and Ellen Daly. James m. Ellen Daly and had son William George, father of William Ellesmere. John was a shoemaker and I think Belfast has been mentioned for him, but Job's family thought he was a cousin of some sort of Job. Ellen Daly was from Co. Armagh and went to NZ specifically to marry James, which supports the idea of a connection. Job's parents were John Doak and Nancy McDowell of Ballynagarrick, but the records before that are gone. Possibly John, the elder at Newmills, could have been his father.
Margaret Atkinson was a widowed sister of James and emigrated with him eventually to Christchurch where she married William Cole.
It would be wonderful to tie these families into the Ballynagarrick tree, but I don't think the information is available.
I will send a Pm- personal message with an address.
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Hi Sue
My name is Jeanette Gregan and am a granddaughter of Sir William Dunlop, daughter of Judith Dunlop. I am too very excited to find out all this information, no doubt you will have heard about Eric's death on Friday, he was such a character and will be sadly missed.
Jeanette
hi Jeanette, lovely to meet you again today tho a very sad occasion . We'd meet several times tho only knew your first name really. My original search online was for
- Doak, Dunlop, Rogers, as thought this covered most bases on my Dads side. Would love to keep in touch as am very aware how much your family group were also a big part of Eric and Dads lives. I'd love to join the dots a bit more in the family tree- time is so precious just now,so hanging on to retirement in just a few years to enable me to put more into this!
Am part of a planning group for mums family reunion next year which is exciting and opens up another whole world of relationships!
How on earth did families keep accurate records in the past? Seems almost impossible today, even with all our technology!
Love to your Whanau, I left pretty early today as not too well.
Love Susan
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William John Doak's military papers are on-line. He listed as next of kin as mother Sarah, older brother Joseph and younger brother Samuel. Samuel is Samuel Edmund who died in 1942 in NY. William John served from 1893 to 1914. He enlisted at 18 and was in Transvaal, Sudan, and India. He married Sarah Jane Doak in Gilford area (Newmills, of course) in 1903 and had Charles born jan 31, 1906 in Armagh, William Evelyn born June 6, 1908 in Aldershot, Samuel George born Feb 26, 1911 at Bordon, and Elizabeth Ileen born Sept 2, 1912 or 1914. She was baptized at Newmills, but born in Thorncliffe or Shorncliffe.
The dates vary a bit from the gravestone, but these are the dates reported to the Royal Irish Fuseliers. William John received several medals.
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Thanks for the response!
I've gone back and checked but I can't find any record of a Martha Doak marrying before she married my gt grandfather. The only other Martha Doak listed married a Joseph Rudduck in 1861. My Martha was born in 1866.
I found the record for Martha Maxwell marrying Samuel Doak on 27 Jan 1870 at Newmills Presbyterian Church in Tullylish and have found 2 children - Sarah Jane b 12 Nov 1870 and James Alexander b 26 Oct 1872.
Not sure who Abraham and Samuel are! Abraham was born in Lurgan 1894. Don't think Samuel is Samuel Edmund as Samuel E was born Jan-Mar 1881 which would make him 20 by the time the census was taken on 31st March. There is another Samuel Doak born in the same area between June and Sep of the same yaer. Ive ordered certificates for both - will let you know what I find out :)
Hi, your discussing my grandmothers two brothers. My name is Stanley Doak I'm living in Lisburn Northern Ireland. Martha Doak is my great grandmother. If you would like to discuss further feel free to reply to this post.
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The Doaks are the most confusing line I have ever encountered. We'd all love to hear anything your family remembers that would help us with the Doak line. You will have to be specific when naming Doaks, as they were all named with such similar names.
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Hi, i hope im through to stanley doak, martha doaks g grandson. I am trying to do john george doak family tree. I am married to his grand son. I believe she would of been a brother of his. Would love you to get in touch with me, if possible.Thanks
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Our Martha was born in 1861 to Joseph and Isabella Doak who married in 1846. Martha had 2 sons and 1 daughter, Abraham, Samuel and Sarah-Jane Doak. We think their father was Joseph who passed away early in their life and Martha then met joe mccutcheon (not sure if they married) from our knowledge they had a son called Joe. Abraham went to Albany NY, had 2 sons Stanley (who i was named after) and Henry. Samuel remained here and had we think 2 or 3 girls, Eileen and eddy not sure of third name.
Sarah-Jane Doak was my grandmother and she married William John Doak (both doaks) William John was born 1876 and his mother was Sarah Doak (no name of father on birth certificate)
William John had to our knowledge 3 brothers and 2 sisters. The brothers were called Alex, Samuel Edmund and Joseph. Alex and Samuel Edmund both went to live in Albany NY. We only know one of the sisters names who was Sarah and one of the sisters went to America while the other remained Northern Ireland.
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Great to hear from you again. I followed the family members in NY except for Abraham. I had a feel his son Henry died young as I saw him probably once in the census, I can not give you the family tree yet as I am still without my tree, but "Old Fulton NY Post Cards" site is a major help. Google it and do a search on names and Amsterdam if you want the family descendents there now. Only Alexander mentioned his parents in his obituary and he was vague about his Irish brothers. It is a great help to have you pull all these folks together as one family.
Samuel Edmund July 13, 1882 emig to Amsterdam, NY 1905, married Catherine Fraser White, and had children Edmund R., Samuel Ellwyn, and Kathleen. Samuel was a gardener for my gt gt uncle and went on to own a florist shop.
Samuel E.'s sister Elizabeth emig 1909 to Amsterdam, married John Terry died July 18, 1968 and had children James, Jonathan, Gerald, and Florence who married Seymour Young.
His brother Alexander b May 12, 1879 or in 1873 according to the Finlay tree son of Joseph and Sarah according to the obituary, married Hannah Martha Finlay in 1900 in Ireland and emigrated to Amsterdam 1906. They had several children including Edmund, Alex, and Lawrence.
Samuel's obituary lists a sister Mrs. Samuel James Boyce (Sarah Jane) who lived in Ballydougan, as well as brothers Joseph and William in Ireland, no location given.
Abraham married into the Balmer family and never appeared on the social page as visiting Amsterdam. I think he or Stanley was a pipe or steam fitter or something mechanical like that in Albany.
If Joseph and Isabella Doak are parents involved, Joseph had father Alexander and Isabella had father William, both from Ballynagarrick. They were married at Tullylish COI about the same time that other Doaks with Ballynagarrick father Alexander- Valentine who married Sarah Ann Adamson (as a guess his second wife was Priscilla), William with wife Jane Hull, Margaret Doak who married James Doak. Is there any indication they are relatives?
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As I look farther for Samuel, I find the report listing Tullylish COI marriages seems to contain Newmills marriages. I'm not sure if I can distinguish who married where right now.
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Hi Bee Dee
The only info I have on john George doak was that he married Mary Ferguson on 11th July 1917.
I am going to New Mills Presbyterian in next few weeks to find out more info, will keep you all updated.
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Hi KatC
Henry passed away only about 10 years ago as I was in America and met some relatives of his. Henry had 3 boys and one girl.
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Hi Stanley, thanks for your reply.
Yes john george did marry mary anne ferguson on july 11th 1917 at Tullylish coi. Witnesses were Abraham Doak and Jennie Balmer. When i saw Araham mentioned i was curious what the connection was.
John George and Mary Anne had 2 dau's and 3 sons,Rebecca Jane (Jinnie) b 1918 died aged 30, Thomas George b 1921 now deceased, Mariah b 1923 died aged 6 with scarlett fever, my father in law Joseph (Joe) b 1924 and died 2010, David Douglas b 1927 who is also deceased. Joseph and his 2 sisters are buried at Newmills Pres church.
We still attend the church along with my brother in law, wife and his family.
Not sure what information you have but I looked up marriage certificate for Abraham recently, he married on 10th July 1919 at Gilford Pres, witnesses were Joseph Mc Cutcheon and Lizzie Balmer. Abraham's in laws were Henry and Charlotte and attended Gilford Pres. They emmigrated in 1921 to N.Y along with their son's and dau's.
Gilford records show son Stanley born 23rd dec 1920, bpd 21st jan 1921 and familysearch mentions Henry born N.Y. Newmills pres records record that Abraham was born 2nd June 1894 and Joseph Mc Cutcheon born 12th May 1900. I have births, baptisms and marriages at Newmills of Doak's. Thomas Mc Cutcheon and Martha Doak married there on 3rd May 1900, witnesses were Joseph Doak and Minnie Doak.
William John Doak who married Sarah Jane Doak says he was living in Belfast in marriage record, father's names are not mentioned. witnesses at wedding were Samuel Doak and Ellen Jane Chambers.
I have records of other Doak marriages, births and baptisms and a few deaths which i have taken from Newmills Pres records. I have also information taken from all Doak head stones at Newmills. William John and Sarah Jane Doak are buried there and headstone also mentions a William E Doak and Samuel George Doak.
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Hi there
After 15 years of struggle with an appalling genealogical mess agglomerated by the American branches of the Doak family of Chester and Lancaster Cos, PA, and then Augusta Co, VA, I am now looking to use our Y-DNA to attempt to identify related lines that may NOT have travelled from Ulster to America in about 1720
We use the 37-marker test and have clarified 36 of those back to the immigrant siblings David, John and Samuel (and thus to their father, whatever his name may have been)
Can you perhaps suggest any Doak contacts who may be related to this my family ?
The Marblehead, MA, Doak line is not a likely contender, but that of Robert of Londonderry, NH, is, as also is that of James DOKE of Chester Co, PA
More data available on request
Best wishes
Ralph Doak
[x4gtgdson of 'Immigrant John' Doak, son of ???]
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Hi Stanley
Please check the messages I've posted here in RootsChat - my line of Doaks comes from an emigrant to America circa 1720
We have identified Y-DNA markers which can be used to clarify any relationship with your line of Doaks
Ralph
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Hi all. I am new to this site but My grandmother was a Doak, her father was Robert Doak his father was Joseph Doak husband of Eliza Ann Spence. Joseph along with his wife and sibling moved to Queensland Austrlia leaving behind his daughter whom was married. John Doak and Mary Ann Calvert are my Joseph's parents and they are buried in the Newmills church. I have a tree on ancestry.com with loads of info but I am unsure how to get it across to this site. I have some photos of my great grandfather Robert but non of Joseph and Eliza.
Vanessa morgan
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Hi All...
Just thought I'd add this entry encase anyone is still following this old thread.
I'm descended from John Doak [b. ~ 1835, d. 25th October 1888] and Jane Johnston [b. ~ 1838, d. 2nd March 1888]. They married on the 16th November 1855 in Newmills. Their son Alexander Doak [b. 27th October, m. 21st February 1893, d. 3rd January 1944] is my Gt Grandfather.
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So very good to hear from you. We are highly related though not directly. My mother was a McCleary and my gt grandmother an Adamson. I have been following the NY branch through the newspaper records as my grandfather who lived next to James H. Doak (m. Agnes McCleary ) moved away. There were a ton of Newmills Doaks in NY including Isaac. I would love to know more about the Irish Doaks. I was sent some Newmills (and Knocknamuckley) church transcriptions and have seen the graveyards. However, I once chanced on an Australian tree which has John and Jane's marriage before 1843 with extra kids and know my Doak trees have mistakes. I would love to compare notes. (*)
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Hi KatC,
You should be able to send a PM to those who replied to this topic with the exception of Vanessamorgan. I note that she hasn't been online since 2015 but hopefully she will receive a notification of your most recent posting.
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