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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: BUZZ on Sunday 27 March 11 16:14 BST (UK)
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I'm trying to find the Parents of Emily Shephard.
The facts that I know about her are that she married Alfred Burrows on the 11/2/1906 in St.Pancras they were both living at 19 Barclay Street, St.Pancras, London,on the Marriage certificate her Fathers name is Charles his occupation is Costermonger her age is 21 the witnesses are a sister and friend of Alfred.
On the 1911 census they are living at 17 Barclay Street Emily's age is 25 her place of birth is Islington.
When she dies in 1971 her date of birth is recorded as 19/12/1884.
I have been unable to find a an exact birth certificate for her, or to find her on the 1891 or 1901 census with her parents.
I would be grateful for any suggestions.
Buzz
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On the assumption the family was in St Pancras (or nearby) when she was born, have you considered this Emily Shepherd on the freebmd?
With a birth date of 19th December the registration would most likely have been entered in the first quarter of 1885.
There were two Emily's in this quarter and if you click on the registration district for this Emily it shows Hampstead took over part of Camden/St Pancras.
(1st quarter) Mar 1885
Shepherd Emily Hampstead vol/page 1a/728
<<before 1965 see St. Pancras (London) / part of Camden was in Hampstead distr>>
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Thank you Rena for your reply.
When the Family Records were at Myddelton Street I asked for this birth plus another one of a Emily Catherine Shepherd registered in Islington at the same time but with the checking points of 19/12/1884 was the date of birth and the Fathers name was Charles the sheet was returned with crosses through both checking points.
Buzz
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Hi, Have you seen the following in 1901 census?
Stoke Newington RG13 piece 208 folio 107 pg41
Chs Shephard 48 Farrier Islington
Emily " 41 wife Holloway
Louisa " 23 dau Islington
Jessie " 21 dau "
Emily " 19 dau "
Annie " 16 dau Stoke Newington
Ethel " 4 dau "
The age is out, but might not be accurate.
The other point to consider is that she is illegitimate and has made up a father for the marriage cert. I had an ancestor who did this. She used her step father's first name and added it to her maiden name to create 'dad'! :)
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Dates at death are notoriously unreliable - if either 1901 census just given or her age in 1911 are correct you need to be looking for a bit wider range for a birth.
Andrea
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Thank you both for your reply's.
I had seen the family living in Stoke Newington before but was not sure as I had not heard of any of the other names listed.
Perhaps the illegitimacy aspect is something to consider and see if I can find Emily just with her mother in the 1891 and 1901 census.
Buzz
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Hi
You didn't give the sister's name! Could you trace the parents through her birth certificate?
On the other hand, if you assume that the father's name on the m.c. is correct 1881 CR has a Charles H. Shephard born St Pancras (50) Cab Driver - wife Mary A (47) born Islington
two daughters - Rose E (2) & Mary A M (5 m) both born Islington.
FreeBMD shows Charles Henry Shephard married June 1/4 1877 St Pancras and on same page a Mary A James.
The girls were registered Islington Rose Emily Sep. 1/4 1878 & Mary A M Dec.1/4 1880.
Going on from that - June 1/4 1882 Emily Mason Shephard!
Age on death isn't reliable, depends on who is registering the event. In my family a son got his mother's year of birth wrong because he hadn't allowed for the fact that she died before her birthday. So he was 1 year out AND he put it on her memorial!
Hope this works out for you.
Regards
Lee
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If these are the ones you are looking for
Charles Henry Shephard June 1/4 1850 Pancras
Mary A James Dec.1/4 1853 Islington.
Lee
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Thank you Lee for your reply.
Not sure what you mean by sister? If you mean the section where I was talking about ordering birth certificates this, I assume, was 2 different families, one registering their child in Hampstead and the other in Islington.
Your information does give me more food for thought though.
Buzz
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Hi Buzz
I was thinking of the witness at the wedding! :) But on reading again perhaps you meant Alfred's sister? :-\
Changing the order of names can be very confusing but do you think the Lewisham marriage is correct? What do you have that is confirmed? What variations of Shephard have you tried on the CRs?
Any information to save covering the same ground. ;)
Regards
Lee
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The sister that was a witness at the wedding at St.Pancras was Alfred's.
Not sure where Lewisham comes into it.
I have tried all different ways to spell Shephard.
What has stumped me is that I have been unable to find Emily on the 1891 and 1901 census, this has been made more difficult by not finding her Birth on Free BMD.
Buzz
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This post came up when I was searching for members of my family who married in St. Luke's Church in 1866. This groom was also living at 19, Barclay Street at the time of the marriage. Like you, this search has caused me lots of problems. The groom's father is incorrectly named. The groom was baptised twice and had his middle name changed. The bride, who was illegitimate, made up the name and profession of her father, and took 2 years off her age. I can't find either of them in the 1861 census.
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Thank you Lincat for your reply,
About a year ago, I found on Family Search a distant relative had Emily Shephard, down as Emily Catherine Shepherd, born 1885, so i purchased the Birth certificate for Emily Catherine Shepherd, she was born on the 24/2/1885 at 11 Outram street Islington, her father's name was John her mothers name was Catherine formely Stevens.
I followed this on and found that Emily Catherine Shepherd (father's name John) married Charles Frederick Stroud at St Lukes Deptford on the 1/2/1908.
So this was not the Emily Shephard I was looking for.
Buzz