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I am looking for the names of Volunteers who were members of "E"Co.2nd Battalion,Dublin Brigade ,my grandfather, Commandant Michael Duffy, along with 3 of his brothers were members.
Any information, such as how old they were , what were their jobs, where they lived, any medals they received and what did they do after the Treaty.
I have posted a list of names compiled by Colonel J.V.JOYCE from his Witness Statement No.1762 who was Chief of Investigation Staff of the Military Bureau on the Michael Collins and the Squad site, page 10, it refers to who were members of the SQUAD, G.H.Q. INTELLIGENCE and the ACTIVE SERVICE UNITS.
If you had a relative on the list who was also a member of "E"CO.2ND BATTALION, please let me know.
CSM
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One of the operations carried out by "E" Co.2nd Battalion
Attack on the LONDON and NORTH WESTERN RAILWAY COMPANY,S HOTEL , NORTH WALL DUBLIN
An attempt was made on Monday morning of the 11th April 1921,to destroy the L.N.W,R.H. at North Wall ,Dublin.
This Hotel was occupied by "Q" Company of the Auxiliary Division, R.I.C. who had taken possession three weeks earlier. Their duty was to watch the arrival and departure of Steamers to prevent the importation of arms and ammunition, and to keep an eye on suspected persons.
Shortly before 8.00. o,clock in the morning when groups of Dockers were going to work, the attackers mingled with them and walked down the Quays. When the attack began, an Auxiliary sentry on duty outside was shot in the leg, but he succeeded in getting in inside and raising the alarm, Many of the Auxiliaries who had been out on duty during the night were in bed when the attack began, without waiting to dress, they seized their weapons and joined in the defense of the Hotel.
The Hotel was attacked from 3 different points, men armed with bombs and revolvers attacked the windows from 2 sides, while others who were stationed on adjacent roofs with rifles, fired at anything they saw moving inside. The men on the road took cover behind barrels that they rolled in front of them as they advanced to the windows hurling their bombs. Major Ryan, the Company Commander was coming down the stairs when a bomb came through the window, knocking off his cap, the bomb however failed to explode. The Auxiliaries, most of whom were partly dressed, came out on the road and relied vigorously to the fire of the assailants, who quickly fled and were pursued in every direction. Some escaped across the canal, others towards the City, and they raised the drawbridges to prevent further pursuit. Parties of 5 and 6 Auxiliaries chased them here and there after escaping assailants, and minor engagements took place at several points. One man who had a bomb in his hand was shot in the head and fell in the road, he died on his way to hospital, two other men suffering from gunshot wounds were taken to hospital. The sentry wounded at the start of the attack was the only Auxiliary casualty, he was Temporary Cadet Gerald L. Brody, formerly he had been a 2nd L/T. in the Royal East Kent Regiment during the late War, his Auxiliary no. was 681
C.C.M.
The above information was taken from The Royal Irish Constabulary forum, ref- The Auxiliary Division R.I.C.
Thanks to Peter McRIC
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The Dublin Brigade - General Information on Battalions
The Dublin Brigade, launched to counter the renewed campaign of terror, drew its strengths from survivors of the 1916 Rising.It was made up in the main of Dublin artisans, according to Oscar Traynor, with a sprinkling of students from the National University and Trinity College representing practically every county and profession. The paper strength was around 3,500, of which 15% could be counted on for action - if they could get off work !
The Brigade consisted of 5 Battalions, 1st, 2ND, 3rd, 4Th and 5Th. The 5Th was an engineering Battalion and contained 4 companies of all kinds of tradesmen corresponding to each of the other 4 Battalions. It was administered by a Brigade staff and was disposed as follows -
1st Battalion - North Liffey and West O,Connell St. area.
2ND Battalion - North Liffey and East O,Connell St. area
3rd Battalion - South Liffey area.
4Th Battalion - South townships, Rathmine's, etc.
5Th Battalion - Engineers only
In April/May 1921 The 6Th and 7th Battalions were added , covering the area of South Co. Dublin and Dun Lothaire . Each Battalion was made up of six or seven companies designated - A, B, C, D, etc.The companies were divided into four sections of about 25 men each, grouped according to locality.
On large scale operations, such as Bloody Sunday, most units were used.
C.S.M.
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Spelling error, should read North, South Liffey
CSM
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Again thanks C.S.M. It does bring it to life when you can read accounts like this.
What I can tell you about my granddad is that he joined the Volunteers at the re-organisation after 1916. His name was Philip Christopher Flynn and he lived at Clarks Cottages, Summer Hill Parade. He was in E Co.II Battalion, later he was attached to Intelligence belonging to that Company. He sates on his pension application that he was involved in all of the important engagements attached to that Company. The only ones he mentions are the attacks on the L&NWR Hotel and the Customs House. He has given no other details of his involvment with anythig else.
My granddad, Phil Flynn may also have called himself by his middle name, Chris Flynn.
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Spelling error, spell check has a mind of its own !
2ND Batt. should read North Liffey and East O,Connell Street
4th Batt should read South townships, Rathmines, etc.
Sorry for any confusion
CSM
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Thanks for that margnip2, it is most helpfull and interesting, do you know where your grandfather was buried ?, a colleague, James Langton is interested in any photos that you or your family might have of the graves of these forgotten heroes, he would like to put them on a site to keep their memory alive.
Also, would you know how old he was and if he was married or single.
I will post more information on the site.
CSM
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One of the operations carried out by "E" Co.2nd Battalion
Attack on the LONDON and NORTH WESTERN RAILWAY COMPANY,S HOTEL , NORTH WALL DUBLIN
An attempt was made on Monday morning of the 11th April 1921,to destroy the L.N.W,R.H. at North Wall ,Dublin.
This Hotel was occupied by "Q" Company of the Auxiliary Division, R.I.C. who had taken possession three weeks earlier. Their duty was to watch the arrival and departure of Steamers to prevent the importation of arms and ammunition, and to keep an eye on suspected persons.
Shortly before 8.00. o,clock in the morning when groups of Dockers were going to work, the attackers mingled with them and walked down the Quays. When the attack began, an Auxiliary sentry on duty outside was shot in the leg, but he succeeded in getting in inside and raising the alarm, Many of the Auxiliaries who had been out on duty during the night were in bed when the attack began, without waiting to dress, they seized their weapons and joined in the defense of the Hotel.
The Hotel was attacked from 3 different points, men armed with bombs and revolvers attacked the windows from 2 sides, while others who were stationed on adjacent roofs with rifles, fired at anything they saw moving inside. The men on the road took cover behind barrels that they rolled in front of them as they advanced to the windows hurling their bombs. Major Ryan, the Company Commander was coming down the stairs when a bomb came through the window, knocking off his cap, the bomb however failed to explode. The Auxiliaries, most of whom were partly dressed, came out on the road and relied vigorously to the fire of the assailants, who quickly fled and were pursued in every direction. Some escaped across the canal, others towards the City, and they raised the drawbridges to prevent further pursuit. Parties of 5 and 6 Auxiliaries chased them here and there after escaping assailants, and minor engagements took place at several points. One man who had a bomb in his hand was shot in the head and fell in the road, he died on his way to hospital, two other men suffering from gunshot wounds were taken to hospital. The sentry wounded at the start of the attack was the only Auxiliary casualty, he was Temporary Cadet Gerald L. Brody, formerly he had been a 2nd L/T. in the Royal East Kent Regiment during the late War, his Auxiliary no. was 681
C.C.M.
The above information was taken from The Royal Irish Constabulary forum, ref- The Auxiliary Division R.I.C.
Thanks to Peter McRIC
Can I just correct that my fathers name was Gerald Alfred Body Cadet number.681 I know that Capel Street man probably knows this now. The family living my older brother and sister knew nothing of his envolvement. I asked friends of mine who ran the rest home he lived in if they knew of this wound. They did and asked what it was and he said a war wound. He survived and went on to be a Royal Flying Corp observer and then finishing a Squadron Leading in the RAF. Thanks to Capel street man and Peter McRIC without them we would have been completely ignorant of his envolvment
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Welcome to the site ivorjbody, delighted to hear from Gerald Body,s son, the credit and thanks should go to Peter Mc RIC and his website, if you haven't already visited the site, there is a very distinguished photograph of your father and a lot more information about the attack.
You are correct in stating that I am now aware of your fathers correct name, I am sure Peter would also be delighted to hear from you, I will post a message on the RIC Forum site to say that you have been in touch.
My regards to you and family
CSM
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Thanks to Capel street man and Peter McRIC without them we would have been completely ignorant of his envolvment
Wonderful :)
Casalguidi :)
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Your simple message says it all casalguidi and thank you for taking the time to post a reply
CSM
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Hello. Contacted my brother a couple of weeks ago to find out where my fathers RIC uniform went as he cleared out the house on my fathers death. Now I do not think we are speaking. He has always been strange, Thought I should not have got involved here. He never forgave me for given a hotel we went to in Clacton a log book of Gerald Alfred Body to their war museum. Probably made a mistake, as I have lost touch with it now and it was an RFC one in India. I do not know what planes they were, except I remember they were Bleriots. He only remembered the cap and badge. I remember the full uniform which was kept in pristine condition. he is right of course as Gerald Alfred Body's dad's England Rugby instruction letter how to get to Glasgow in 1872/3 is in Twickenham Museum and dad's medals are with the British Legion Ipswich.
ivor
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My Grandfather Michael Lawless was in e coy 2nd bat. I have a statement he gave on his service in Easter Week, Ambush Newcomen Bridge and his duties he carried out at 38 Upper Mount Street on Bloody Sunday.
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Hello ronanlawless and welcome to the site
Delighted to hear from you, my relatives were also members in "E" Co.2nd Battalion and were involved in the Upper Mount Street operation, I have a copy of your grandfathers Witness Statement and it makes fascinating reading.
I would be interested in anything you can add or tell me about your grandfather, do you know of any other members of " E " Co.2nd Batt. Dublin Brigade.
CSM
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Hi Capel Street Man, I have been working on something for the last few weeks which you might be able to help me with. I have a list of the prisoners from the Custom House & I am trying to work out each mans unit.So far I have 41 of the men listed. I only have Christopher Flynn listed as E coy.Do you know if any other men from E coy where captured at the Custom House ? any second battalion men at all would be a great help. I have been lucky to get a copy of an ASU service cert. Which lists all the men of the ASU , its more complete then the JV Joyce one.It has helped me pick out a lot of ASU men from the prisoners list. I will try & post it on the old brigade thread as I dont want your thread going off subject.
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Hi Gary
I think your Christopher Flynn is my grandad Philip Flynn. His full name was Philip Christopher and it seems he sometimes went by his second name. Even his father put him on the 1901 census as Christopher adding the Philip in the margin later. If it is him then he would have been living at Clarkes Cottage, Summer Hill Parade.
Margaret.
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Hello Gary, I will look through my research files and see if I can find any names of members of "E" Co, 2nd Battalion that were arrested at the Custom House.
That's an interesting project you are working on and well done on the ASU certificate, I had not come across that before.
CSM
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Hi Margaret, Thats him alright. He is the only member of E coy listed, My Idea behind listing the men is to see if the Dublin Brigade where crippled by the Custom House, so far I dont think it was.The ASU & Squad men where full time members & there the easy ones to pick out. CSM I can`t take any credit for the cert it was posted by David Nagle Paddy Lawson`s Grandson on our Custom House Facebook group, Which is open to anyone who had a relative in the Custom House or is interested.Its a great way of sharing information & pictures. When the list is complete or as near as I can get it I will put it online, maybe a while yet. Going back to the cert, it includes the likes of Johnny Wilson & Billy Corri who where left off the JV Joyce list & where ASU Members. Another thing that David showed me was his Grandfathers statement it mentions an attack at Cross Guns Bridge in March 1921 ? Paddy Lawson mentions a Johnny Williams in his statement taking part ? was this an ASU Operation or 1 st Battalion ? If it was ASU it must be J Wilson as there was no John Williams listed on the ASU cert ? Any ideas about the Cross Guns Bridge ambush ? Gary
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The Dublin Brigade - General Information on Battalions
The Dublin Brigade, launched to counter the renewed campaign of terror, drew its strengths from survivors of the 1916 Rising.It was made up in the main of Dublin artisans, according to Oscar Traynor, with a sprinkling of students from the National University and Trinity College representing practically every county and profession. The paper strength was around 3,500, of which 15% could be counted on for action - if they could get off work !
The Brigade consisted of 5 Battalions, 1st, 2ND, 3rd, 4Th and 5Th. The 5Th was an engineering Battalion and contained 4 companies of all kinds of tradesmen corresponding to each of the other 4 Battalions. It was administered by a Brigade staff and was disposed as follows -
1st Battalion - North Liffey and West O,Connell St. area.
2ND Battalion - North Liffey and East O,Connell St. area
3rd Battalion - South Liffey area.
4Th Battalion - South townships, Rathmine's, etc.
5Th Battalion - Engineers only
In April/May 1921 The 6Th and 7th Battalions were added , covering the area of South Co. Dublin and Dun Lothaire . Each Battalion was made up of six or seven companies designated - A, B, C, D, etc.The companies were divided into four sections of about 25 men each, grouped according to locality.
On large scale operations, such as Bloody Sunday, most units were used.
C.S.M.
Thank you for this clarification capel street man, most helpful for us amateurs. Are there lists of the members of each of the battallions? I'm getting ill trying to find any sight of my grandfather Denis Byrne, who has both 1916 (ICA member) and 1919-21 medals (with Comrac)? many thanks
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Hello tommobecket, you probably know this, in the book - History of the Irish Citizen Army, by R.M.Fox, he mentions a D.Byrne as being in the Stephens Green Garrison.
No, there are no complete lists of members of the Battalions, its a case of trying to piece together all the names that come up on these posts, some of them do give a list of names for a particular Company but I think its an impossible task, but who knows, one day it might happen, a lot of the records didn't survive.
CSM
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Hello Gary, ref - Ambush at Crossguns Bridge W.S. no 667 by Patrick Lawson, member of 1st Battalion, Dublin Brigade 1917,, member of the Squad, 1921
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A short time after my release from Arbour Hill, an ambush was arranged by the company to take place in the vicinity of Crossguns Bridge. Ten men of the company were selected to take part in this operation. un - quote.
Not having much progress with men captured at the Custom House, only name I have come across so far -
Thomas Flood, brother of Frank, participated in Custom House burning, captured and charged with treason, Battalion unknown.
CSM
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Thanks CSM for that,If I come across any men from C coy I will post there names here.
Tom Flood is a hard one to nail down.He was very well liked during the Civil War. My Great Uncle mentions him as a ref on his pension application & John Pinkman paints a great picture of him in his book. Gary
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thanks Capel street man. I have the Sean O'Casey history but not familiar with M.R Fox. Thank you so much.
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Gerald Body's son, Ivor, has asked me to update the forum with the following information:
As a result of the gunshot injuries he received following the attack on the North Wall L&NWR Hotel, T/C Body was awarded £180 compensation on 21 January 1922. See also this link - click (http://irishconstabulary.com/reply/1315/Q-Company#reply-1315)
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Hello PeterMc, thanks for the update, the amount awarded of £180 in 1922 would be the equivalent value today of approx 36 x the amount ,allowing for inflation, this is not an exact figure, just a guide
36 x £180 = £ 6480 approx
Was there a scale of awards depending on the injuries received ?
CSM
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Thanks for that. I have been trying to work it out. It probably went on a horse knowing my dad!!
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Hi, Tom Flood was taken from the Custom House to Dublin Castle. To the Black and Tan rooms at Ships St gate.A number of men were taken there and questioned, While being questioned he was beaten severely. Even though he was badly hurt, He took of his jacket, throwing it on the ground. He stood before his assailants and asked them if they were men, and fight him one to one. There were no takers. On the orders of the intellgence officer present he was sent to Mountjoy that evening. I believe Tom was a member of the 2nd Battalion Dublin Brigade. Hope this is a bit of help to you.
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Hello Private 1st class, you are quite right that Tom Flood participated in the Custom House burning and was captured. He was charged with treason. Acute appendicitis on the eve of his trial caused its postponement. The Truce was declared on the eve of the date selected for his retrial.
One of his brothers, Frank, was captured when attempting to escape from the scene of an ambush. He was court martialled and found guilty of High Treason. He was hanged at Mountjoy, 14th March, 1921.
I understand there were a number of other brothers that were involved as well as Frank and Thomas.
I have been unable to confirm which Battalion they were members of.
CSM
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Have just read the article which you all must have done so? Never heard of it before? It seemed horrendous for everyone concerned including sightseers? http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F10D10FB345B1B7A93C4AB178ED85F458285F9
ivor
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Hi. They were both members of the second battalion. They lived at Summerhill Parade. Frank flood was my mothers weapons instructor. She was a Capt in the Dromcondra Branch of Cumman na mBan. The second battalion had a lot of different types of pistols and revolvers. The women would often carry the weapons to the battle site. and collect them after. They would often get them in a cocked or half cocked position. and with auto's they could be jammed. The women needed to be able to clear the weapon and make it safe. She would hold classes, she would be given a firearm to train with on the night It was Franks job to train her, They lived a few doors from one another and were very good friends.
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Thanks for that Private 1st class, would you know any of the names of the other brothers ?
CSM
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Hi Frank had seven brothers and one sister Sarah. They were John, Valentine, Thomas, Francis, Peter, Edward, Harold, Alfred. They lived at number 30 Summerhill Parade, for a short number of years, My mother lived at number 23 Summerhill Parade, He was her instructor in firearms,
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Thanks again Private 1st class, your mother sounds an interesting character
CSM
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Hi she was , as were the group of them that were in my life at that time, They were aunts to me as I grew up. They were members of the Dromcondra Bch of Cumman na mBan, I received my first pistol lesson from her. Training methods have changed greatly since her time. But a lot of what she said still held in the 1960s. It was to stand to me when I entered competitions in the army at that time.
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The following is a list of members of E.Co. 2nd Battalion, Dublin Brigade who were also members or ex - players of the Saint Laurence O,Toole G.A.A. club, it was compiled by the brothers Johnny and Paddy McDonnell to celebrate the 75th anniversary of the club. With a special thanks to Jimmy Wren.
Michael Brady
Tom Crimmins
Michael Croke
Thomas Ennis
Patrick Duffy
John Fitzharris
Sean Kerr
Thomas Leahy
Thomas J.Roche
Laurence ( Larry ) Mackey
Patrick ( Paddy ) Mitchell
Patrick J.Wheafer
James Barrett
James Cassells
Liam Daly, also Brigade Engineering Officer
Liam Daly, came over from Liverpool
Vincent Byrne
Michael Colgan
Tom Drumm
James Hannon T.C.
Sean O,Rourke
Patrick Rooney
James Shiels
Denis Shelly
Thomas Shelly
Michael ( Tiger ) Smith
Jim Slattery
James Brougham
Robert Humphreys
Tom Kehoe
Michael Lawles
James Lawless
Johnny McDonald, also known as Johnny McDonnell, name was miss - spelt on his birth certificate
Paddy McDonald ( Johns brother )
Tim O,Neil
William O,Brien ( Liam O,Brian
Frank O,Brien
Dan Begley
Denis Begley - un - confirmed
Dave Begley - un - confirmed
Jim Dempsey
Patrick ( Bill ) Birney
If any members or relatives can confirm, correct or add any details, it would be most appreciated
CSM
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My grand uncle was Laurence Mackey. He was known as Lar Mackey. His brother Michael (known as Mickie) was in C company. Michael was my grandfather. The family lived in 23 North William Street. I have tried to correct a lot of publications which put his name down as Leo Mac Kay, and other such distortions. Even after I send his birth, marriage and death certs, they still persist. I even got one publisher stating that they got the names from the National Museum, and they cannot change them. So be it, Lar died in 1958, and is buried in Glasnevin.
If you want more genealogy about him it is on my family web site. From my grandfathers pension record, he states that he was also involved in the attack, on the Hotel.
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Hi Did the Mackey's move house.In North William Street My Great grand mother Frances O'Keeffe lived in 24 North William St. Frances died around 1922. Her daughter moved out some time later. There was a family of Mackey living in number 25 north william St. There was eight of them. Is it the one and the same family.?
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Hello jtknox1 and thank you for the correction on your grand uncle, Laurence, at least they spelt his name right !
Would I be right in thinking then that Laurence was in "C" Co, 2nd Batt. Dublin Brigade , the same as your grandfather, Michael ?
I would be very interested to know more of your grandfathers involvement in the attack on the L.N.W.R. Hotel
My family lived in Commons Street , North William Street, ( that was my great uncle, Patrick Duffy), Tighes Cottages, Guild Street, ( that was my grandfather, Michael Duffy )
CSM
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Hi caplestreetman,
about your list of E co. 2nd batt,who were also members of St laurence O'Tool G.A.A club. You have a Patrick j Wheatley on it, I just wondered if it was possibly Thomas Patrick Wheatley, though my Wheatley was suposed to be D co. 2nd batt, its just that Wheatley is not a common name, having said that I only think he is D co. from a commemorative booklet from 1966 by the pupils of St Josephs school.
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Hello 251 richmond road, you are quite right, I have corrected the name to Patrick J. Weafer, the Thomas Wheatley you refer to was indeed a member of "D" Co. 2nd Batt, there is a nice right up about him in the book, thanks for pointing that out.
CSM
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Hi csm,
Would you know of a list of D co. 2nd batt, I started a post by that name, I wrote down everything I found thus far on Thomas, I fear I waffled on a bit, plus I put 2 pictures on that were unrelated, just to see if I could resize, which probably put people off.
So far I don't think I have come across anyone with family in D co. 2nd batt on other posts. If you have any info I would be grateful.
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Hello 251 richmond street, as far as I am aware, there is no list, it is a case of checking through files, forums and books, have you made any enquiries at the National Archives, Bishop Street Dublin , or Cathal Brugha Barracks.
I found looking through the Witness Statements, a name would crop up who was a member of "E" Co 2nd Batt, and sometimes one of those names had made a W.S. and more names were mentioned and so on.
The W.S. should be on - line in March of this year if you do not live near Dublin, that would be a good option.
Do you know what area " D " Co. covered from what you have already found out about your relative.
Let me know how you progress, if I come across any "D" Co. men, I will pass them on.
CSM
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Hi csm, Im now living in Cavan, I will wait for the statements to come online, I'm afraid I don't know what area D co. covered, I only found out recently that he was with them. I've a lot of reading and research ahead of me.
Thankyou.
251
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Hello 251 richmond road, go to page 1 of this topic for general information on Battalions and the areas they covered, it was usually in or near to where they lived.
There is a list of 2nd Battalion men who were involved in the 1916 Rising but not which Co. they were attached to in Appendix V of Dublin in Rebellion by Joseph E.A. Connell jnr, its an interesting book.
Check out the names on the list to see who made W.S. and then when they go on - line you can cross check to see which Co. they belonged to, its good old fashioned research, I have been at this for about eight years and I am still looking and researching.
Good Luck
CSM
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Hi. This is my first time on this site. I wanted to look for information about my grandfather Phillip Flynn and I came across a lot of your previous posts which seem to agree with what I have been told by my Father. I wonder if you could advise me on the best place to start to discover more about him. I know he died from food poisoning on Christmas day after travelling back from England. Fish and chips in Liverpool St station was apparently the cause,so this may tally with your records. Any pointers would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Hi DF3121 , your in luck you have two relations who have already done a lot of work on Philip Flynn, I dont think I can post there names here but I will send you a private message, I have seen a folder one of the ladies has on your late grand father & it contains all the information you are looking for, IRA membership Civil war etc ! I have an interest in your Granfather as he was arrested at the Custom House, which is an interest of mine !Gary
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df3121 could you contact me a.s.a.p im your cousin aishling
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df3121 could you contact me im your cousin aishling im margarets (madges) daughter on
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im also philip christopher flynn granddaughter between myself and margnip we have done a lot on philip (margnip doing most ) the only thing i dont have is a photo of him in his free state army uniform , but we do have a photo thanks to our friends in kilmainham of him when he was arrested for his part in the burning of the customs house , he was also in e co. 2nd battalion ,
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Looks like a family reunion Aish. Hi df3121 Philip Flynn is also my Grandfather, Aish and I have done as much as we can in our research and would like to help. So a couple more postings from you and we can swap emails and pm each other.
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already done marg iv posted 3 times lol
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The following information is taken from a " Raid & Search Report " made by F Coy. Auxiliary Division, R.I.C., I came across the report at the National Archives in London.
The raid was made at 23.30 hours
22.12.1920
Place searched - 39 City Quay, Dublin
Tenements
Name of person found on premises - Patrick Joseph O,Donovan ( arrested )
Reason for search - to arrest P.Daly
Report - P.Daly had been arrested by the Military over a week ago
P.J.O,Donovan found on premises,
Admitted, after being cautioned, that he belonged to " E " Co. 1st Batt. I.R.A.
His father, who was present, denied all knowledge of his sons movements.
Signed O.C. F. Coy.
Attached to the Report was a typed list of names, who I believe were members of " E " Co, Dublin Brigade but not from the 2nd Battalion.
I hope readers to the post might recognise a relative or name on the list.
22.12.20
INFORMATION EXTRACTED FROM PAPERS TAKEN FROM JOHN DALY, 39, CITY QUAY
NOMINAL ROLL OF SECTION 2, SQUAD 1
1. Christopher Ryan, 15 Wentworth Place
2. P.Daly, 39 City Quay
3. John Farrell, 48 Queens Square
4. James Gilligan, 18 Sandwich Place
5. Christopher Doyle, 6 Sandwich Place
6. Willie Coogan, 2 Eden Gardens
7. Willie Fagan, 5 Windmill Terrace
8. James Fagan, 5 Windmill Terrace
9. Paddy McMahon, 5 Lower Sandwith St.
10. J.Tongue, 33 Sandwith Place ( CSM note - it is spelt like this in the typed letter, perhaps someone could confirm the correct spelling )
11. Christopher Reilley, 18 Sandwith Terrace
SECTION 2 SQUAD 2
1. J.Ryan, 35 Hanover Street
2. Fred Burton, 5 Verschoyle St.
3. Fred Burton Jnr. 5 Verschoyle St.
4. Michael Kelly, 7 Wentworth Place
5. Alfred Power, 20 Holles Street
6. J.Mallon, Georges Quay
7. Hale, 5 Divlin Place
8. Cooney, 58 Brunswick Place
Jer. Thomson, Verschoyle
Pat. Quin, 56 Queens Square
John Hanlon, 18 Queens Square
LIST OF NAMES OF PERSONS IN POSSESSION OF ARMS AND AMMUNITION
1. C.Ryan, M.P. Rifle, 170 r. ( rounds ), 4 revolvers, 9 ?
2. M. Kelly. N.W. Revolver, 60 rounds
3. P. Daly, 45 Revolver
4. J Ryan, Le F. Rifle, 32 Revolver
5. W. Coogan, 38 Revolver
6. W. Fagan, 22 Revolver
7. F. Burton, 38 Revolver, 30 rounds
8. A. Power, 32 Revolver, 16 rounds.
There is then attached another typed letter marked as follows
SECRET - TO O.C. " F " COMPANY, AUXILIARY DIVISION, LR. CASTLE YARD
Please raid the following addresses after curfew this evening, and arrest the individuals in question
Willie Coogan 2 Eden Gardens
Willie Fagan 5 Windmill Terrace
J.Ryan 35 Hanover Street
Fred Burton 35 Verschoyle Place ( CSM note - there is a tick against all four names )
Signed Major. General Staff, Dublin District, Lr. Castle Yard.
An interesting document , I do not know what happened to these men, if they were caught or managed to escape, perhaps some of the readers can shed some light
CSM
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did patrick/michael duffy have a brother called william?
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Hello will1890, the answer to your question is no.
CSM
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Hello readers to this post, I am looking for any information on the following members of " E " Co. 2nd Batt
Thomas Ennis - I am trying to confirm if any of Toms brothers were members, John, Daniel, Patrick, Peter, Michael or James.
Tom Ennis was a friend of my grandfather and his commanding officer, and he mentions him on his pension application.
I know Tom was highly regarded and respected by all sides of the conflict in the War of Independence and Civil War.
James Freyne
Peter Freyne
I know Peter was killed in the attack on the London & North Western Railway Hotel, North Wall, Dublin, 11th April, 1921, he was only 18 years old.
They are both mentioned as living at 24 Charleville Mall, Ballybough and enlisted in 1920 in the book - Mud Island, a History of Ballybough.
CSM
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Hi,
I don't know if this is relevant but a Michael and Christopher Ennis of 49 Bessborough Avenue are listed as Frongoch Camp internees in an appendix to 'FRONGOCH . University of Revolution' by Sean O'Mahony. Listed below them is Thomas Ennis, shown I think living off the NCR.
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Hello JohnMB, I have the same book, I could not find any other reference to see if they were related to Tom Ennis
In the book - Mud Island, a History of Ballybough, there is no mention of Christopher or Michael Ennis, the address of Bessborough Avenue does not appear to come under the area of Ballybough, even though the ordnance survey map shows Bessborough Avenue running off the North Strand Road.
Tom Ennis is mentioned in the book.
Perhaps a member can help to confirm if they were related or not.
CSM
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Hi CSm,
No doubt you seen Michael and Christopher's 1911 census return which shows them living at 49 Bessborough Avenue with their 60 year old mother Bridget, their sister Bridget and their brother, Edward, a Lithographic printer? Shockingly, Bridget Sr said she had 11 children of whom 4 only were alive. That would suggest that Tom Ennis wasn't a brother to Michael, Christopher, Edward or Bridget Ennis.
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I was told an ancestor James (Michael) Masterson of Dublin was an active member of the IRA after serving in the army in WW1. He was said to have laid mines at the Four Courts. His sister Kathleen was also said to have been an IRA member and worked with Countess ? Have you heard of either of them?
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Hello wingood, I have not come across the name of Masterson, but will keep an eye out in my research files.
You will have to contact the Department of Defence, Pension Administration Section, Renmore, Galway to see if either of them made a pension application.
You will have to provide date of birth and the addresses they lived at in the 1920,s 30,s, 40, 50,s.
If they did, they would have had to provide references of what they were involved in and which Battalion they belonged to.
If you do write, please be patient as they are inundated with requests and it takes months for a reply, but it could be worthwhile in your research, please also remember, many people who participated in this period did not apply for a pension because they were proud.
I wish you well in your research and let us know if you have any progress
CSM
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Thank you CSM. I look forward to hearing anything you find. (By coincidence with your name, my ancestors, including Jimmy as a child, lived at 3 Capel Street in the 1800s) When I visited Dublin with my family sometime after the war, l was still very young, I was walking with a young Dublin cousin in the city when we saw “Uncle Jimmy” he was sweeping the street, old fawn raincoat, string tying his trousers round his knees, rope round his waist with his shovel tucked in, we were shocked with embarrassment. Then we saw two tall men coming the other way drop into step and salute Jimmy as they passed. We were stunned, as you see, it is still a vivid memory. Thanks for your pension advice. I cannot imagine either applied. Jimmy was supposed to have turned down a commission in the Free State army. Wingood
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Hello wingood,
Came across the following in Who,s Who In The War of Independence and Civil War 1916 - 1923 by Padraic O,Farrell
Masterson, B ; Pro - treaty. Captain. Garrison Adjutant in Athlone.
Led raid by boat on Quaker Island in Lough Ree and, under fire, landed and captured ten Anti - treaty supporters
Two of the men captured were M.Davis and Thomas Walshe both Anti - treaty leaders in Athlone area.
This action took place in the Civil War 1922 - 1923.
Not sure if this is one of your relations, let me know either way.
CSM
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Hi CSM.
No, “Uncle Jimmy” was the only soldier in our family. Thank you for keeping me in mind. Wingood.
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Hello,
New to this forum but just saw this subject and had to contribute. My Great Grandfather was in this company in 1916. His name was James Humter and lived in 13 Sackville Avenue, Ballybough.
In front of me I have a draft copy of a letter he wrote to the Secretary of the Pensions Committee in the late 30's or early 40's. My father had this copy and gave it to me shortly before he died. The letter is basically an account of his activities during the 1916 Rising. He mentions a Gerry Houlihan who he says stood him down from an attack on the Magazine on the Sunday. I'm assuming this was the Magazine Fort in the Phoenix Park. By coincedence my Father was involved in the attack on the fort in December 1939.
He then mentions that he proceeded with a Tom Ennis to Father Matthew Park and formed up under Captai S Wafer to be sent to different positions. His section under Captain F Henderson took up position in Lambe's Public House, which they held until Tuesday evening. They were then order to the G.P.O. where they were addressed by Padraig Pearse.
He also mentions a Brigadier General Connolly who was shot when they were returning from a sortie in Henry Street. They evacuated the G.P.O. on Friday evening to a new position in Moore Street. He says "Had I succeeded in my endeavour to force an opening in Moore Lane there would not have been any surrender in this quarter".
After the surrender he was sent to England and detained in Knutsford for 6 weeks and moved to Frongoch and was released about July. I was in the National Archives last Friday and found an index of internees from the Rising and found his card, according to which he was released on 27-July-1916. Unfortunately the Archives don't have the file related to the internees.
He then metions other activities after 1916 including attending a meeting at the back of Clonliffe Road to reorganise the forces. He says he was transferred to the Engineering Section. His duties included routine mobilising, drilling and repairs to weapons. This continued until hostilities broke out again, I'm assuming here he is referring to the War of Independence. His home was raided by British Forces, including military and Black and Tans, and he was forced to go on the run.
He then mentions the effect all this activity had on his wife. He says she was thrown out on the streets when he was deported in 1916 and then had to seek refuge later from the continuous raids on the house.
While on the run his duties were mainly confined to patrol works. He says he received from Sean Russel plans and a model of a Bomb Thrower for use on attack on Dublin Castle. He also mentions removing ammunition with W. Vernon, I think, from a house in Spencer Street, Nth Strand, shorlty before a raid by Military Forces.
He relates these stories to show he was involved up to the time of the truce. He says that he los a good promotional and pensionable job with the Port & Docks in 1916.
In closing he says " During the period of 1916 to 1921 I was a unit in the Irish Volunteer Force, as such I claim pension rights duly submissive to your judgement. I don't think I require to be a Michael O'Leary to obtain same. The position of a subordinate to obey orders sums up my person. The individual acts may add lustre but nothing denies the rights of claims of an obedient Volunteer".
He signs the letter, "Yours in obedience, James Hunter".
Amazing to see Michael O'Leary was involved even back then !!!
I'm always fascinated every time I read the letter, sometimes I can see him in some of the situations. It's having history in my hands. My father told me he eventually got his Pension, but he died shortly afterwards in 1947. I keep meaning to write to the relevant authorities to see if I can get a copy of the actual letter he sent and see if there is additional information.
I also have the two medals he received in 1941, in recognition of his contribution to the the Rising and the War of Independence. I'm sure they must have some monetary value but I would never contemplate selling them no matter how bad things get. I llok forward to passing them on to my own son in years to come so his memory can live on. I often wonder if he saw the mess the country is now would he consider the sacrifices he and his comrades made worth it.
Didn't mean to type in so much when I started, apologies.
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Hello SparkyDillon,
Welcome to the forum, the more information that is posted, the better we get to know and understand the people involved, so no apologies required for your post.
Your great grandfather is mentioned by name in the book - Mud Island, A History of Ballybough, a book I highly recommend.
In the book, under Appendix 4, it has a James Hunter listed as being in the G.P.O.
The Connolly you mention, is, I think a Captain Sean Connolly , Commanding Officer in the Irish Citizen Army, killed in action in the City Hall.
I would definitely contact the Pension Department, the details are on an earlier post , keep us all informed how you get on.
Good luck
CSM
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i misread the post ;D
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Hello Bradley,
Do you think your grandfather was a member of "E" Co. ?
CSM
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My Great Grand Uncle, Robert Humphreys was also a member of 2nd Batt E Company, Dublin Brigade. He survived both civil and rising and died in 1942
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Hello Joeythelips, welcome to the forum
I have your Great Grand Uncle, Robert Humphrey`s listed as being imprisoned in Frongoch and living in Seville Place
He would have known the Duffy brothers, I would be interested to know anything else you have found out.
CSM
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Hi Capel Street Man, Yeah thats correct, he was living at 108 at the time, along with his mother mary, while his father, james was away as a ships cook on the Guiness' Ships. During the rising, the house was raided by the tans on several occaisions, everytime they found nothing, even tho there was guns being held lol.
I have a picture of Roberts funeral, which was given to me by my 2nd cousin, whos mother (still living and is 88 this year) was roberts niece. in the picture theres a few of collins men (ed daly etc) i can upload it on here if i i;d be allowed to :).
I can also confirm that robert was sent to frongoch and released near christmas of the same year (i think) then married his wife in the 1920s.
If anyone is interested, theres a book called "university of revolution" which tells of stories/conditions of frongoch. its a must read if ur into ur history
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Hello Joeythelips
Thanks for the reply
( You are not the same Joeythelips that was in the Commitment's film are you ? lol )
I am unsure what the form is to post the photograph, I thought you had to have so many posts, but I may be wrong, the moderator will tell you
I would love to see it
Have you been able to find out if Robert applied for a pension ?
If you want to send me a pm, please do
CSM
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Recently referred to this site by a keen student of Modern Irish History in NYC.
On my last trip to Ireland, I asked a distinguished Dubliner what the National Schools taught the students about Irish History. The answer what the historical timeline stopped about the year 1900. Home Rule was still an issue before Westminster. The War for Independence1916-1921, the Civil War that followed, the National Emergency that followed 1939-1935, and then the more recent Troubles in the 6 counties are either too upsetting or too raw for many of the families involved in the Civil War (Treaty v Anti-Treaty forces) and living with the duplicity of DeValera hovering for decades on the national scene, to reach a level of mutually agreeable conclusions. No consensus. Then leave it all out of Irish History.
A tip of the Hat to you, Capel Street Man, for gathering this information on the E Company, Second Dublin Brigade. Gather everything about the unit, verify as much as possible, in order that a complete history can eventually be written for the People of Ireland. Indeed the people of Ireland need to know and understand this history. It is part of their DNA. The current European Union is not.
What can I contribute? Yes, I can confirm that both Peter Freyne and James Freyne were members of E Company, Second Battalion, Dublin Brigade.
What was the history of the Freyne brothers from that date, April 11, 1921? Peter was KIA at the Holyhead Hotel, North Wall raid that morning. (There were reports about this event and a follow up event on April 12, 1921 published sequentially, but inaccurately, in the New York Times.) Peter rests in Peace in the Old Church graveyard next to the RC Church of the Assumption in Thomastown, Co Kilkenny.
James (Frank ) Freyne survived the Burning of the Custom House; a nerve-wracking six months in Kilmainham Prison; his release on the morning of December 8, 1921 after the signing by Michael Collins , Arthur Griffith and team of the Treaty of London on December 6-7, 1921 (Thank you, Michael Collins); and the tour in the Irish Free State Forces (Pro-Treaty). Let me be brief here and move onwards. In 1929, he emigrated to America, worked his way through the City College of New York evening sessions for 9 long years in order to attain his Bachelor of Business Administration degree. He soon was a Charted Public Accountant of the State of New York; by his reckoning, only the second Ireland born person to become a CPA in New York State. Then a long and distinguished career in one of the “Big Five”accounting firms in the New York City financial district followed. In addition, he taught accounting for over twenty years at Iona College in New Rochelle, NY in the Evening Session. In this way he helped the Irish Christian Brothers (founded by Edmund Ignatius Rice from nearby Callan, Co Kilkenny) get the new college on its feet and established.
Two children came from his marriage to his sweetheart on his first visit home in 1935. Son Frank G is a PhD in Theoretical Physics from University of California, Los Angeles, and he supported the US Air Force for many years on the Advanced Strategic (Ballistic) Missile program. Daughter Maureen was awarded an MA in Mathematics from Fordham University. After a number of years in the corporate world, she is in a second career as a noted landscape artist in Sante Fe, New Mexico.
When his wife passed away, he remarried. His second son Peter David Freyne was named after his Uncle. After graduating from the University of Chicago, Peter, a bit of a free-spirit like his father (in his early years only) wandered to Burlington, Vermont. There he found his trade, an investigative political reporter. For two decades he wrote newspaper columns and appeared on TV political panel shows. More importantly, he was relentless in his questioning and subsequent evaluations, of the elites in Vermont politics and society: US Senator Patrick Leahy (referred to as “St Patrick” in his columns); Senator Bernie Sanders (“Olde Bernardo”), Governor Howard Dean(“ Ho-Hum”) and a host of others, political figures not just in Vermont but on the national USA scene . At the time of his early passing, Peter was recognized as the “Grandfather” of political reporters in the State of Vermont.
Let us return to our starting topic, Capel Street Man.
The Lads of the E Company Second Battalion Dublin Brigade were hard men. The active duty ones were very few in number. Hard deeds needed to be done. But they were solid, ethical and smart men. Let us continue to honor their memory.
Let me note, that as I am writing this, I am listing to Tommy Maken and the Clancey Brothers’ rendition of the song “Royal Canal” on Internet radio. I can just imagine the lads in Kilmainham Prison during the lovely summer of 1921 seeing the seagulls soaring over the prison walls as the flew along the Royal Canal. These Good Lads are all Free now.
This is my reply to entry #54. Thank you, Capel Street Man, for your efforts in organizing this blog.
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Hello Inistiogue Lad
Delighted to hear from you and thank you for your kind and positive comments
I take it you are related to the Freyne family in some way ?
I am currently putting together all the known names of members of "E" Co. 2nd Battalion to include in a book on my family's experiences in the period of Irish history you have mentioned
It has been and still is ongoing research at present, something I have been working on for over ten years !
I have a copy of James Francis Freynes pension file, which you have probably seen
Keep in touch
Good luck
CSM
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Hi there Capel Street Man
My mother's first cousin was Marie Best who was married to Michael Duffy, son of Michael Duffy who was a leader in the e company 2nd battalion Dublin Brigade. I believe that this the same man you are referring to in your post here.
Was your father Michael Duffy and was he married to Marie Best or were they your uncle and aunt. Marie Best's father was Willy Best and he was my Grandmother's brother.
Johanna
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Hello Johanna, delighted to hear from you
Mick Duffy & Marie Duffy ( nee Best ) were my aunt and uncle, may they both R.I.P., two of the nicest people you could ever wish to meet
Michael Duffy, of E Co. 2nd Battalion, Dublin Brigade was indeed my grandfather
Were any of the Best family involved ?
CSM
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Marie Best was my mother's first cousin, her father was Willy Best, who was my Grandmother's Elizabeth (Betty) Best - Geraghty's brother. Willy his brother John and father Patrick Best all served in World War 1. Marie's uncle John Best was killed in Action at age 8 on 15/03/1915 before his brother Willy and father Patrick joined the war. Marie's brother Bob Best is researching this area. I think that Willy would have been involved later as he worked at Boland's Mills. I am trying to research this area further.
I do know that there was a couple of Miss Bests in the Cumman Na Mban including a Miss E Best, who could have been my grandmother or some of her aunts.
My grandmother was born in 1904 when the family were living at 15 Moore Street and in 1911 her cousins were still living there. Other family lived at 13 Denzille Street And Marie's family were living in Coles Lane.
I believe that if female members of the family were in the Cumman Na Mban it is very likely that their brother's and other family members would be involved.
A lot of ex Soldiers also joined. I am not sure what area's Moore Street, Coles Lane and Denzille Street would come under. I know my uncle Tommy Geraghty was very Patriotic and was in the Irish Army for many years.
My grandfather Kelleher from North West Cork was involved in Action in County Cork and his sister was in the Cumman Na Mban in Clondrohid Company.
Johanna
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Hello Johanna,
Thanks for the information, very interesting
Can you confirm the age John Best was killed in action, you have it as 8 ?
When uncle Mick was alive, he told me Marie's family ran a market in Moore Street for a number of years, Mrs Best, ( Marie's mother ) was well known, aunt Marie helped out on the market stall
CSM
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possibly this man aged 18
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/927643/BEST,%20JOHN
1911 ?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_City/Cole_s_Lane/55892/
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Yes that's them my grandmother was living with her aunt Rosanna Maloney as her mother had died a year after she died.
My aunt Maureen Geraghty is still alive she and my mother were 1st cousins to Marie, Bob and Claire Best. She told me all about the family being dealers in Moore Street.
Marie's mother was May Best nee Kelly. They were all very close As my mother's father died at age 38 and they spent a lot of time with their uncle Willy, aunt May and their cousins.
Johanna
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Thanks to both dathai and Johanna for confirmation and information
Johanna did you know Marie & Claire Best both married Duffy brothers ?
Claire married my uncle, Thomas Duffy R.I.P., Claire is still alive as far as I am aware
CSM
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Claire and Bob Best are both still alive. I didn't realise that Claire also married a Duffy as well.
I am in touch with Marie and Michael's daughter Rhonda, she told me that Marie died in January 2015 and a few days later Rhonda's sister also died and your uncle Michael died in 2010. My aunt knew all of them but moved to England many years ago losing touch with the family.
Johanna
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Hi Capel Street Man
I have Been completing further research and found out that Marie Best's grand aunt's family were living in 15 Moore Street at the time of the Easter Uprising. They had a shop called O'Gormans. I found records of an insurance claim made by the family after the uprising, as their shop was looted during the Easter rising and they claimed for loads of Cigarettes and tobacco that was stolen.
Who would have thought that this family would end up being joined by marriage to your family and families from each side of the 1916 conflict.
So as my grandmother and her siblings where born in this same address they must have all been living together when my grandmother was born.
I don't know if this information is useful to you
Johanna
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Hello Johanna,
Great research and information, you just never know what you are going to come across
I would be interested to see the insurance claim if that is possible
CSM
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Gorman 15 Moore St.
http://centenaries.nationalarchives.ie/reels/plic/PLIC_1_233.pdf
http://centenaries.nationalarchives.ie/centenaries/plic/index.jsp
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Many thanks Sinann for the references and links, much appreciated
Some famous brands of cigarettes listed -
Woodbine
Players
Gold Flake
Park Drive
CSM
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Not sure if this is the right place as it's not about e company .
My wife's grandfather Michael o 'reardon left behind 3 medals which I believe are a war of Independence service medal, a 1971 jubilee and a 1959 Fianna jubilee ( no bars ) and the only hint of anything else was a newspaper cutting
On the death of Sean harling on which he had written " brigadier of my battalion " so I know this means 2nd Dublin battalion. There is no pension application or mention of him anywhere that I can find.He would have been quite young as he was born in 1904 in Sackville Ave. My question is if he received the service medal surely it is recorded somewhere , wouldn't he have to apply or have someone vouch for him ?? Any help appreciated.
Robbie
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his name on pension application is spelt slightly different than what you listed
Michael O'Riordan ,Emmett Rd (if right man ?)
http://mspcsearch.militaryarchives.ie/detail.aspx?parentpriref=
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Thanks dathai. I had come across that one but I'm pretty sure it's a different Michael ,my guy was born in Sackville Ave and married in Sackville Ave so I don't think he ventured as far as inchicore. He did change the spelling at some stage , probably more Irish with an io and a fada on the i ,his children are o'Riordan. Robbie
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Wonder if you wrote to address here would they be able to help
http://www.irishmedals.org/black-and-tan-medal.html
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was his wife's name Alice Beyer
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Joseph O'Riordan died accidently from gunshot wound at Wellington Barrack's 26th October 1922
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1922/05064/4388247.pdf
it is very likely that he was meant to be the recipient of those medals
see his parents pension application under the spelling i have given you above
http://mspcsearch.militaryarchives.ie/detail.aspx?parentpriref=
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Wow that's news to me but when I showed the death cert to my wife ( Michael s granddaughter ) she said oh yeah I knew that , her father was named Joseph after his late uncle. I will have to talk to him about it he is 81 now but the memory's still good . As to who the medals belong to you could be right but I will ask . Thanks for the interest.
Robbie.
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brother's Daniel O'Reardan
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5L9-V86
Joseph O'Reardan
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGKP-NZ9
Joseph married Mary Byrne in 1903
page 158 2nd from top of page
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633798#page/165/mode/1up
or Father Patrick O'Reardan a Tailor
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10237/5725492.pdf
Daniel O'Reardan father Patrick a Tailior married Margaret Leahy 1887
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10811/5942913.pdf
1901 note his son Daniel
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/North_City/Lr__Liffey_Street/1333050/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_City/Liffey_St___Lower/39460/
Daniel jnr married Annie Keating in 1924 note her address 71 Heytsbury St
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1924/09165/5314820.pdf
Daniel REARDON school teacher also made a pension application from 13 Anglesea Road
Annie REARDON nee Keating also made a pension application(strangely neither mentions their spouses name in their applications)
Daniels death is not recorded on his file but he died 1940 age 44 at 4 Fortfield Terrace
number 156 here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1940/04726/4263591.pdf
his will also gives same address but also says formerly of 13 Anglesea Road
he is buried Glasnevin
I think he is a cousin to your Michael and Joseph
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Daniel's brother Laurence married Kathleen Kavanagh in 1926
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1926/09130/5302100.pdf
Laurence died 1942
Number 72 here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1942/04685/4249219.pdf
he also made a pension application as Laurence Reardon
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Hi CSM or anyone else
As my geography of Dublin is not very good does anyone know if there is a Dublin map showing what area and streets were covered by the different battalions, Companies and divisions of the old IRA. I have names of my family and their addresses, but have no idea what divisions etc to research. I do believe that some of my family were involved as I believe my grandmother Miss E Best was in the Cumman Na Mban and it seems reasonable that if she was a member, then other members of her family would also be members.
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thanks again daithi Joseph was born 1905 that would mean he was only 17 when he died
( poor kid ). Robbie
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Hi CSM or anyone else
As my geography of Dublin is not very good does anyone know if there is a Dublin map showing what area and streets were covered by the different battalions, Companies and divisions of the old IRA. I have names of my family and their addresses, but have no idea what divisions etc to research. I do believe that some of my family were involved as I believe my grandmother Miss E Best was in the Cumman Na Mban and it seems reasonable that if she was a member, then other members of her family would also be members.
Have a look at the Military Archives site
http://www.militaryarchives.ie/collections/online-collections/military-service-pensions-collection
It's an on going project so still lots of records not online yet but you can try out their names.
I didn't see a map there but you don't need their company etc to search.
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Thanks
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1916
http://www.militaryarchives.ie/fileadmin/user_upload/MSPC/_documents/Veterans_of_Easter_Week_1916_with_recognised_military_service-3_June_16.pdf
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Re: O'RIORDAN . thanks again dathai .that pension stuff makes facinating reading , and I was searching high and low for a mention of Michael and knew nothing about Joseph. He must have lied about his age as he was only 17 in 1922 ,shot accidentally at the telephone exchange in crown alley. It looks like I have found one of those cases of 2brothers on opposite sides of the civil war . Michael was anti in 2nd battalion.. Joseph was national army.
Although both were in na Fianna and I can't find Joseph in army census ,so not finished yet.. Robbie.
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Irish 1922 Army census taken on 12/13th Nov 1922 a few weeks after Joseph's death.
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I have put a couple of photos of my dad on a couple of sites partly as it is the 100th anniversary of the RAF. Also because a lady has been on who's grandfather was in the hotel at Northwall with my dad. I am not sure when these photos were taken assume 1922/3 after he must have been retired from the RIC or whatever happened to them? This is how he must of looked while on sentry duty that day.
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I have put a couple of photos of my dad on a couple of sites partly as it is the 100th anniversary of the RAF. Also because a lady has been on who's grandfather was in the hotel at Northwall with my dad. I am not sure when these photos were taken assume 1922/3 after he must have been retired from the RIC or whatever happened to them? This is how he must of looked while on sentry duty that day.
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Hello ivorjbody,
Many thanks for posting the photos, great social history
CSM
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Thanks to you for all your previous help. ivor
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Hello all,
Looking for the name of a pub that has closed down in Capel Street, Dublin
I last visited the pub approx 8-9 years ago with my father
The pub was at the very top of Capel Street on the left-hand side as you walked up from the Liffey, I am sure it was the last building on the corner
Regards
CSM
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Beerhouse ?
https://www.jar.ie/article/pub-review-the-beerhouse-capel-street-dublin
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o3i/
there is a sign in the widow O'Hara's
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Hello dathai,
Many thanks for your prompt response as always
That is definitely the pub but that was not its name when we visited, I am sure it was called the Four something? but I could be wrong
It was a locals pub when we visited, not many in, but we were made very welcome when I told them my father and his family used to live a few doors down the road, no 56 Capel Street
Much appreciated with the google street map link
CSM
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brother's Daniel O'Reardan
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5L9-V86
Joseph O'Reardan
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGKP-NZ9
Joseph married Mary Byrne in 1903
page 158 2nd from top of page
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633798#page/165/mode/1up
or Father Patrick O'Reardan a Tailor
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10237/5725492.pdf
Daniel O'Reardan father Patrick a Tailior married Margaret Leahy 1887
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10811/5942913.pdf
1901 note his son Daniel
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/North_City/Lr__Liffey_Street/1333050/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_City/Liffey_St___Lower/39460/
Daniel jnr married Annie Keating in 1924 note her address 71 Heytsbury St
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1924/09165/5314820.pdf
Daniel REARDON school teacher also made a pension application from 13 Anglesea Road
Annie REARDON nee Keating also made a pension application(strangely neither mentions their spouses name in their applications)
Daniels death is not recorded on his file but he died 1940 age 44 at 4 Fortfield Terrace
number 156 here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1940/04726/4263591.pdf
his will also gives same address but also says formerly of 13 Anglesea Road
he is buried Glasnevin
I think he is a cousin to your Michael and Joseph
Dan and Laurence were brothers. Someone described Laurence as "a little dark-eyed man" in Jacob's in 1916. Dan died of TB in 4 Fortfield Terrace in Rathmines; I wonder was this a nursing home or sanatarium - present at his death was Agnes Kincaid, and I can't find her anywhere, so wonder if she was a nurse…
You'll find Joseph in the Military Service Pension records here:
http://mspcsearch.militaryarchives.ie/search.aspx?formtype=advanced
(sorry I can't put in a direct link to him, the site doesn't work that way.)
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Thanks again Abhanliath . Leedsfan (formerly Dexter18 )
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If you do find they're cousins, please post the relationship here - first cousins, second cousins, through whom and so on.