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Title: McDowell/Patterson
Post by: Jamesf on Tuesday 06 April 04 16:08 BST (UK)
I am looking for information on Robert Patterson or his wife Jane McDowall, I don't have much more information other than Jane had a son James born in Newtonards 1847 before she married Robert. James' surname later changed to his stepfather's name of Patterson. James married Harriet Louisa Snowdon born 1858 in Essex.

Can anyone help. Anything would be great.

Cheers

James
Title: Re: Patterson/McDowall Northern Ireland
Post by: leagen on Wednesday 17 November 04 22:59 GMT (UK)
There is a site w/a lot of Patterson info at rootsweb.          I think this is it:  http.freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7ewaughp/mine/p1.htm#;64          I have Patterson's in my family from Canada in mid 1800's but they started out in other places of course.    If that link is wrong try using the small letter  i  instead of the symbol  ;          I can't read my own writting sometimes and it could be either.
Title: Re: Patterson/McDowall Northern Ireland
Post by: leagen on Wednesday 17 November 04 23:06 GMT (UK)
After the .com/ in my last post the next is the percent sign.  It looks like 96 if u look at it quick.  Leagen
Title: McDowell/Patterson
Post by: Jamesf on Sunday 05 June 05 20:05 BST (UK)
I am looking for any information on James McDowell or Patterson who was born 1846 in Newtonards.
His mothers name was Jane McDowall. His mother married Robert Patterson, but I don't know if he was James' father or not.

Can anyone help?

James
Title: Re: James McDowell or Patterson
Post by: Anthony on Tuesday 07 June 05 22:31 BST (UK)
Hi James. Don't know if this is of any help to you.

1852 There is about 5 Patterson's living in Newtownards

1896 Newtownards

Robert Patterson Mason, Mill St



                                                                    Anthony
Title: Re: James McDowell or Patterson
Post by: Jamesf on Wednesday 08 June 05 19:47 BST (UK)
Hi Anthony

Thanks for that, is Mason Robert Patterson's occupation?

James
Title: Re: James McDowell or Patterson
Post by: Anthony on Wednesday 08 June 05 20:22 BST (UK)
Hi James. Yes a Stone mason.


                                                             Anthony
Title: Re: James McDowell or Patterson
Post by: Jamesf on Wednesday 08 June 05 20:44 BST (UK)
Anthony

Do you have any other info on him?

cheers

James
Title: Re: James McDowell or Patterson
Post by: Anthony on Wednesday 08 June 05 20:56 BST (UK)
Hi James. Sorry i don't but will keep looking for you.



                                                                      Anthony
Title: Re: James McDowell or Patterson
Post by: Jamesf on Wednesday 08 June 05 21:02 BST (UK)
Yes please

Thanks

James
Title: Re: James McDowell or Patterson
Post by: stevenson on Wednesday 22 June 05 17:10 BST (UK)
hi James

All I have been able to find is a James Pattison living with a Jane Bell children Jane and Robert Pattison in Dunaghy Antrim .

Any help

Steve
Title: Re: James McDowell or Patterson
Post by: Strathaven on Wednesday 06 July 05 13:56 BST (UK)
This association of McDowell and or Patterson intrigues me. My Irish descendants were from Newtonards in County Down Gt.Gt.Grandfather William Paterson. My Gt.Grandfather Hugh Paterson from Ballyhenry in the parish of Newtownards was born in 1825 and came to Glasgow in the 1840s ( a handloom weaver who set himself up in business with a Beaming Shop in the east-end of the city. As for McDowall. My mother spoke much of an Aggie or Agnes McDowall - believe it or not she gave birth to eleven sets of twins (that must be a record) although not all survived. I once possessed a photograph of she and her husband but sadly missing from my archive now. I expect you know that the town of Paterson, New Jersey was named in honour of a William Paterson who came to the USA as a child with his parents. He was a clever lad who became a lawyer and a senator and had something to do with the framing of the constitution of the USA which is why he was honoured in that way. I have reason to believe that my Gt.Gt. Grandfather is of that bloodline but have never been able to prove. The Mormon Temple Library in Arizona will confirm the details of William Paterson and his claim to fame through his activities in the US government and the naming of the town Paterson in his honour.

Title: Re: James McDowell or Patterson
Post by: Strathaven on Wednesday 06 July 05 14:24 BST (UK)
In case it is of any interest: Alexander Titteringtonborn Kilwarlin 24 April, 1810 married Anne Jane Bell. The said Alexander died 22 May, 1890. There were three children of the union namely William John born 23 March 1839, Jemima 6 April 1842, Edward Knox 27 July, 1844. The said Alexander is interred at Kilwalin Moravian Church Cemetery ocated between Hillsborough and Moira with two of his issue namely William John and Edward Knox. Alexander's wife namely, Anne Jane nee Bell is buried with Jemima in Warriston Cemetery, Edinburgh. The family address at the time of the births mentioned above was Bow Street, Lisburn.
Title: Re: James McDowell or Patterson
Post by: saz1401 on Wednesday 06 July 05 22:33 BST (UK)
These are the Agnes Mcdowell births shown on BIVRI


MCDOWELL, Agnes   Bir   1866   Irel   Down
Fa:   Robert MCDOWELL
Mo:   Jane MCCONKEY

MCDOWELL, Agnes   Bir   1868   Irel   Antr
Fa:   Andrew MCDOWELL
Mo:   Nancy TATE

MCDOWELL, Agnes Mary   Bir   1868   Irel   Down
Fa:   Thomas MCDOWELL
Mo:   Deborah Jane BUSBY

MCDOWELL, Agnes Munn   Bir   1868   Irel   Down
Fa:   George MCDOWELL
Mo:   Ellen MUNN

MCDOWELL, Agnes   Bir   1869   Irel   Antr
Fa:   Henry MCDOWELL
Mo:   Sarah DUNCAN

MCDOWELL, Agnes Jane   Bir   1870   Irel   Antr
Fa:   Hugh MCDOWELL
Mo:   Margaret Ann GAMBLE

MCDOWELL, Agnes   Bir   1872   Irel   Antr
Fa:   Thomas MCDOWELL
Mo:   Agnes MAGINNIS

MCDOWELL, Agnes Ann   Bir   1874   Irel   Down
Fa:   William John MCDOWELL
Mo:   Margaret MAXWELL


and Agnes marriages from BIVRI


MCDOWELL, Agnes   Marr   1848   Irel      
Sp:   Hamilton CHERRY

MCDOWELL, Agnes   Marr   1850   Irel   Antr   Carric
Sp:   John MILBURNE

MCDOWELL, Agnes   Marr   1853   Irel   Down   Bangor
Sp:   Adam BAIRD

MCDOWELL, Agnes   Marr   1856   Irel   Antr   Temple
Sp:   John DONALDSON

Dont know if it is of any use to you ;D

saz
Title: Re: James McDowell or Patterson
Post by: kcloscar on Friday 18 November 05 02:07 GMT (UK)
Ahhhh.....Agnes McDowell married John Milburn, who I am related to.  If there is anyone who has information on this family, please contact me.
thanks so much kc
Title: Re: James McDowell or Patterson
Post by: Strathaven on Sunday 20 November 05 15:48 GMT (UK)
Hi There!

All I know is that the Agnes or Aggie McDowall or M'Dole on my family tree gave birth to eleven sets of twins - not all of which survived. I once possessed a photograph of Aggie and her husband (whose name I do not know) but foolishly destroyed it years ago. I don't quite know where she fits in to my Paterson/McMillan or Mullen Irish connections. My great grandfather was namely, Hugh Paterson of Ballyhenry (Weaver) bor 1825. I wonder if any of this helps you.

Robert Paterson Currie
Title: McDowell/Patterson
Post by: Jamesf on Thursday 10 September 09 20:51 BST (UK)
I am looking for any information on Jane McDowell b1828. She had a son James b1846 who was adopted (I think) by Jane's eventual husband (Robert Patterson) and changed his name to Patterson.
From the LDS website Jane was born in Comber and from Army records James was born in Newtonards

The LDS website state James christened on 5th April 1846 but Army records would make his birth as June 1846

In June 1864 he received a Conditional Discharge from the Royal North Down Rifle Regiment of Militia in order to enlist in the army. In the Militia he was No.2332 Private James Patterson.
He enlisted at Belfast in the 96th Regiment of Foot for a period of ten years in July 1864. Private No787 he was 18 years and 1 month
Title: Re: McDowell/Patterson
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Sunday 13 September 09 20:41 BST (UK)
I think church records should become all important for your search. if i think of something i will come back, in the meantime please look at comberonline.com and consider signing the quest book, Jim
Title: Re: McDowell/Patterson
Post by: Jamesf on Monday 14 September 09 19:42 BST (UK)
Thanks,

I can't find comberonline.com, do you mean comberonline.org?
Title: Re: McDowell/Patterson
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Tuesday 15 September 09 18:51 BST (UK)
sorry yes
Title: Re: McDowell/Patterson
Post by: Jamesf on Friday 05 December 14 08:54 GMT (UK)
Five years later and I'm still no further on with this part of my tree  :'(
Title: Re: McDowell/Patterson
Post by: Del 80 on Friday 05 December 14 17:19 GMT (UK)
James, Searching in Ireland is quite difficult, I have been looking for the death of a chap, who was the husband of Susannah MCDOWELL, for about 5 years now, probably no connection to your McDowell/McDowall.......but you never know........Del.      P.S....Have you tried the Ros Davies website ?                 
Title: Re: McDowell/Patterson
Post by: Jamesf on Friday 15 January 16 09:07 GMT (UK)
9 years after first post and other than James' baptism, I'm no further forward with this side of the family  :'(

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Title: Re: McDowell/Patterson
Post by: gaffy on Friday 15 January 16 09:46 GMT (UK)
What were his father's details in the record of marriage to Harriet Louisa Snowdon?
Title: Re: McDowell/Patterson
Post by: Jamesf on Friday 15 January 16 10:00 GMT (UK)
Robert Patterson, butcher deceased
Title: Re: McDowell/Patterson
Post by: Jamesf on Friday 08 June 18 12:27 BST (UK)
Now 14 years after first post and still no further on with this part of my family  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: McDowell/Patterson
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 08 June 18 12:50 BST (UK)
What are you expecting to find? Have you looked for other church records besides the baptism of James in 1846? What details are on the marriage of Jane McDowell to Robert Patterson?
Title: Re: McDowell/Patterson
Post by: Jamesf on Friday 08 June 18 13:36 BST (UK)
I would love to find more about James' parents but I can find no record of a marriage between Jane McDowall and Robert Patterson.
Title: Re: McDowell/Patterson
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 04 July 18 11:04 BST (UK)
If James was born around 1846 it's likely that his parents were married before 1845 which is the start for civil registration of non-Catholic marriages. There may or may not be a church record of the marriage (remember that not all church records are online) but if there is the details will probably be date and names of bride and groom.
Title: Re: McDowell/Patterson
Post by: Jamesf on Wednesday 04 July 18 12:07 BST (UK)
This is an update to what I know now.

My great grandfather was baptised JAMES McDOWELL on the 5th April 1846 in St Mary's Comber.
His mother was JANE McDOWELL, she was single when he was born.
When he joined the army in 1864 he gave his name as JAMES PATTERSON with his next of kin given as mother JANE (No surname) and his place of birth as Newtownards.
He was married in Colchester in 1876 and gave his father as ROBERT PATTERSON (deceased butcher).
He died in Glasgow in 1915 and the death certificate gives his father as ROBERT PATTERSON (deceased butcher) and his mother as JANE PATTERSON (deceased) maiden name McDOWELL.
I assume that Jane and Robert married after James’ birth but I can find no record of it, nor can I find any record of their deaths, I don’t even know if Robert is James’ natural father, so any help would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: McDowell/Patterson
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 04 July 18 16:03 BST (UK)
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He was married in Colchester in 1876 and gave his father as ROBERT PATTERSON (deceased butcher).
He died in Glasgow in 1915 and the death certificate gives his father as ROBERT PATTERSON (deceased butcher) and his mother as JANE PATTERSON (deceased) maiden name McDOWELL.

It could be that the parents never married but have you searched for a marriage in Scotland or elsewhere in U.K.?

What about the death of Robert Patterson- it should list his marital status. A Will or probate record might give more details. Also mother's death should list marital status.
Any known siblings?

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From the LDS website Jane was born in Comber and from Army records James was born in Newtonards
Exactly what record shows she was born in Comber?
Title: Re: McDowell/Patterson
Post by: Jamesf on Wednesday 04 July 18 16:16 BST (UK)
I have tried all of the UK for wedding of Jane and Robert and all the UK for their deaths without any luck. I think you may be correct and they never married.

I think my orginal post with "From the LDS website Jane was born in Comber and from Army records James was born in Newtonards" should be "From the LDS website James was born in Comber and from Army records James was born in Newtonards".