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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: maggbill on Saturday 02 April 11 09:48 BST (UK)
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My Great Grandfather Hugh McNab was married twice. Just discovered 1st Wife, Ann McNab (Mooney) was buried 18 Feb. 1872, St. Peters Cemetery, Glasgow, lair number 109 / 8 / E... and also 2nd wife Mary McNab (Martin) buried, 19 May 1919 in same grave. On both CPR records their relationship to owner of lair is "wife". So the lair was specifically owned by Hugh.
I am failing to find burial for himself...Hugh McNab - died 3 March 1884, said to be accidental drowning in Greenock Harbour. Have his death entry including the RCE - (Procurator Fiscals report etc). I presumed CPR records would have him buried somewhere, ? Greenock... but no .... Anyone got any ideas? Seems strange for him not to have been buried in the "wives" lair? Could he be buried there, but some records could be missing?
If i can find Hugh's burial it just may give leads to other missing family burials.
Cheers
Maggs
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Hi Maggs,
Where did you find the burial information on his wives? The cemetery records for St Peter's are online on Scotlandspeople, there is also a microfilm of them in the Mitchell library in Glasgow, or the originals are at the Scottish Catholic Archive's in Edinburgh. As you have the date of his death its should be easy enough for them he St Peter records to be checked.
Gerry
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Hi Gerry,
Thanks very much for the response.
I got the information about Hugh McNab's wives burials from SP's Catholic Parish Registers - "Deaths and burials" - presuming the records are complete?????
Hugh McNab was said to have died 3rd March 1884 in Greenock - though the circumstances of his "accidental drowning" were never known - we don't think he would have had any connection with the Greenock area - lived in Parkhead area Glasgow. Have checked the SP CPR records, but not finding him at all - so ?? could there be some St Peters Dalbeth records missing? or is he buried elsewhere? Do the Scottish Catholic ARchive records held in Edinburgh definitely include all St. Peters Cemetery - more complete than SP's CPR records?
Some day I would love to have a Family Tree specific holiday back in SCotland - but it's a fair trek from Australia - don't think my purse strings will ever stretch that far... Is it worth contacting the Edinburgh archives or Mitchell Library via email? Costly?
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Who was the informant on the death record?
What was Hugh's occupation?
Is it possible that it is for a different Hugh McNab?
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Hi Sancti,
The informant was his wife Mary McNab (ms Martin). On death entry he was "Furnaceman - married to Mary Martin". his parents Francis McNab and Mary Mcnab (McCue)... which is all absolutely correct - it is definitely our ggrandfather Hugh - found in the Harbour at Greenock.... My interest is as to where he would have been buried -??
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Maggs,
The burial registers for St Peter's and Dalbeth are complete and online at Scotlandspeople. So if Hugh was buried with his wives then it should be there, However that's not to say that there couldn't be a transcription error. I would send an email to the archivist at The Scottish Catholic Archives and ask them to look at the registers for around the date of death, list the lair number in your email and see if he appears. The email address is -
archivists@scottishcatholicarchives.org.uk
Gerry
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Hi Gerry,
thanks very much for this information and advice - will definitely email the Archivists and see if they can find our Hugh for us. I have tried various spellings for him, but still unsuccessful, so maybe as you say, with the info re wives and lair number they may be able to do something.
Cheers
Maggs
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Again Gerry,
Thanks for your suggestion, I emailed the Catholic Archives, and was astounded to receive a reply back within not even two hours!
They have given me a full list of who is buried in the grave with the two wives, - not my great grandfather Hugh, unfortunately, but we now know of 4 children stillborn or died in infancy, and four "in-laws" buried there! So a very fruitful outcome!
Catholic Archives say they only have records for Dalbeth, and he is definitely not on their records. I understood that the CPR info on SC. People were Scotland wide? So maybe he was buried in a non Catholic cemetery ?? Greenock, where he was drowned?? the search for him continues.
Cheers again!!
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It is strange that he was not buried in the lair as it was not full when he died
Could he be with his parents?
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Hi Maggs
just a possibility if he died in Greenock
have you thought about contacting
Greenock Cemetery burial department
as you know what date he died they should be able to
tell you if he was buried in Greenock and what cemetery he was buried in
not all the CPR for Greenock are on SP
Elaine
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I'm pleased the archives have managed to help you out, but sadly not solve the puzzle. Just re reading the posts I do agree with Santci its strange that he is not in his own lair which appears to be a double lair and wasn't full at the time of his death, especially as his 2nd wife registered the death and is then buried there herself?? Does the lair location read 109 / 8 ES? or east side which would indicate the older part, or is it E section which would indicate St Peter's?
Gerry
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Hi Gerry, Sancti and Elaine
Thanks for all of your replies.
Have pm'd you Gerry - and thanks for that.
Elaine - good idea to email the Greenock Cemetery people, if i can find their info - will google that soon.
And yes, Sancti - it is really strange he wasn't buried in the lair - and "if only" we could find him or his parents.. at least we know how/where he died, whereas his parents Francis and Mary McNab only appear in the 1871 census in Glasgow, - and then the mother Mary is informant of her 35 year old daughter Jane's death in 1872 .... then both parents are never seen again (nor is their grandaughter Mary Kenney).... ?? returned to Ireland is our only thought at the moment.
But who knows, if we find the burial of Hugh - it could just give us some hints to his own parents deaths and burials?
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sorry I cant remember their email address
but you could contact them at this address
Burial Grounds/Registrar Greenock Crematorium 1 South Street Greenock PA16 8UG
I will pm you with the telephone number not sure if its allowed on here
Elaine
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Hi Gerry and Elaine,
It's a lovely sunny morning here in Adelaide - so am sending you both lots of Sunshine!
Yesterday I discovered the online Greenock BMD info on Watt Library Greenock website... but no luck with that. I then emailed the Watt Library and had a result within a couple of hours from Betty, Senior Library Assistant. She had checked with the Greenock Cemetery Records and had not found Hugh McNab, but had however found that "an unidentified man" had been buried at Greenock Cemetery in Common Ground on 5th March... no further amendments to his records. And no other unidentified body pulled out of harbour at thaat time... so it has to be him!!!! It looks like we have found our great grandfather (only took about 125 years!!!) Betty also included two newspaper articles about the drowning, which I had never seen, so she really has been of great help.
Thanks for the phone number Elaine, but it is a bit hard phoning from Australia!
Sad story that Hugh was buried and left in "Common Ground" having a family lair available. His wife had a 27 year old brother who died a couple of weeks later, and children of her own including a toddler who had medical issues and died 2 months later.... All buried in the family lair ! Maybe once they discovered that the unidentified man was in fact her husband, it was in fact too late, he was buried within 2 days of the finding of the body. Maybe one day I will get back to Glasgow to ?find the family lair and visit Greenock too!
Cheers
Maggs
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Maggs it just adds more questions to the whole episode
What was he doing in Greenock?
How could his wife identify the body if he was already buried?
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Maggs
does the article in the paper say that he fell in to the harbour in Greenock
because its possible if he fell into the water in Glasgow
the body could have been washed up in Greenock
the way the currents run in the river clyde a body could turn up
anywhere
Elaine
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Hi Elaine,
The body of Hugh McNab was found floating in the Harbour at Greenock, but no indication of where it originated, and agreed - he could have falled in somewhere in Glasgow and been swept down to Greenock.
We have never found anything at all which could have connected him to Greenock, so it sounds very feasible, - that he fell into the river in Glasgow.
Sancti - If the "Body of a Man" which Greenock Cemetery says was buried on 5th March, is in fact him, it is possible that his wife did in fact never see him - but an article in the local newspaper gave a very good description of his clothing, so maybe she in fact identified the clothing rather than him.
Thanks again everyone ...
Maggs
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Maggs,
That could well be an explanation of how she identified him, it would also explain why there is no Coroners report or RCE to go with his death record.
I went to St Peter's today and located your family lair, sadly there is no headstone but i have sent you some photo's of its location.
Gerry
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To Gerry, Elaine And Sancti,
My sincere thanks to you all for your work and input re my Great Grandfather Hugh McNab.
You have truly made my year - to now know where Hugh was buried, even though he wasn't with his family - and to have such amazing records and photos of where his familys grave is.... I just can't thank you enough!
I truly think that if it wasn't for the generosity of lots and lots of Rootschat people, I would have never found so much amazing family history and background - and in fact - certainly wouldn't have persevered at it this long! And there is always so much more to find out and know about!. (and what on earth would I do without my daily "fix" - perusal of the "goings on" of everyone on RC!)
Happy researching to you all! Best wishes!
Maggs
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I'm researching memorials in Dalbeth cemetery that are inscribed with many names. Our hypothesis is that the memorials were erected by local RC churches on behalf of those too poor for standard burial. On the Bridgeton RC parish memorial, there is Hugh McNab, with the age (35) close to that of the drowned man who is the subject of this thread. The address of the drowned man is London Road, which is in the Bridgeton RC parish. The date of death inscribed on the memorial is 25 October 1883, several months before the recorded death in Greenock. Of course, the poor fellow might well have drowned in the R Clyde, which is close to his home, and taken several months to end up all the way downriver at Greenock. Was 25 October when he went missing? Can anyone give me a lead to a detailed profile of Hugh McNab? Many thanks for any help.
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Does Hugh's death certificate not clarify that?
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No, the death record is not specific about date of death. It records when the drowned body was found.
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Not helpful then.
I have looked for, and failed to find, a newspaper report, either about him going missing or the body being found.
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Thanks for your effort!
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Cladhan could I ask you if the memorials are for the common graves and where abouts in the cemetery they are located as I have various relatives buried in the common grounds at Dalbeth and would be interested to see them if possible thanks. sorry if i have way laid the subject post.
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Hi Cladhan,
This sure is a blast from the past. My original post was in 2011!!! And over this past few years, life has overtaken me, I had got to a stage of thinking that I had "done" my tree - Haven't looked at it much. You have raised some interesting questions, and I am very interested in the memorials... It is a bit late here in South Australia, and the old eyes are closing, so tomorrow will resurrect my info on my ancestor Hugh McNab - and will get back to you... Good to hear from "Rootschatters" again!!
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Garngad, Not a common grave by usual definition, but perhaps directed by a church society - but to do with the poor (which includes underpaid working class and true paupers). To find, the best way is the what3words app, this memorial being at them.labs.ready.
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Magbill, I was hoping you'd engage, having seen prior comments! I look forward to hearing more. Have a good sleep!
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Hi again Cladhan, Oh dear - you have stirred up my obsession... very quick look at my "Hugh mcNab" files. Can you clarify/repeat the exact details of the memorial? ( I have seen your comments about 3wordsapp... confuses me...) Could it possibly be that our Hugh McNab is the one named on the memorial? Date of death in October 1883 - very interesting, how do they get that date? - cos checking deaths for said name between 1882 and 1884 on Scotlandspeople - there are absolutely none for 1883, 3 for 1884, including a 79 year old in Ayr, a 29 year old in Larbert, and ours "Greenock" age 33.. (ages of our family are fairly vague - birth/baptism records in Ireland not found)..... Could it be that he was "missing" for such a long time, - surely not all that time "in the river", found nearly 5 months later with a good description of his clothing( have newspaper report). Raises many questions about our ancestor - thought I had about everything to be found on him!! Am very interested in info about the memorial if you can supply. Will get back to you tomorrow
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Here's a closeup of Hugh's part on the memorial. See also https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/203102127/hugh-mcnab
what3words has divided the planet into small squares and assigned a unique 3-word code to each. One needs the app, where the location on the map is found immediately.
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Fascinating Cladhan havent a clue about what3words apart from the tv ad but will work on your info many thanks.
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Hi Cladhan,
I presume the "Ditto" before the date on the Memorial signifies the actual known date of death? Or could it be a date of "missing"?? And are the names necessarily persons actually buried there? (Have very strong evidence of Hugh's burial at Greenock cemetery). I suppose trying (???!!!) to gain access to any surviving Bridgeton RC records might help. I am definitely one for verification before believing the "possibilities"!! As Hugh is my Great grandfather, I am eager to take the story further. Typical Irish family - 1864 Hugh, his parents and five siblings came over from Co. Tyrone. Within 7 or 8 years, 4 sisters married and died very young (one of them in Karachi with soldier husband - she and 3 month baby died of fever, buried there,) - Hugh himself had first marriage to Anne Mooney who died in childbirth. Second marriage Mary Martin - 6 children of whom 4 died in infancy. Mary lost Hugh, her brother and a toddler all within a couple of months. Cannot find anything significant re the family in 1883/1884 apart from the birth of that toddler in July 1883... Have a couple of newspaper items for Hugh's death or at least for the finding of his body on 3rd March 1884. - One of them says "... Dressed in dark corded shooting coat and vest, dark tweed trousers, blue and white striped shirt, elastic sided boots (iron heels). No property of any kind found in his pockets". I always thought that seemed a fairly decent outfit for a foundry labourer?? Clothes in this condition surely wouldn't signify a great time in the water?? - therefore could he have gone "awol" in October - been elsewhere, got into trouble and had a sad ending in March? I doubt that there would be much in the way of "Missing persons" data for the Glasgow of those days.... To think of various family members who have visited Dalbeth over the years, - we know where Hugh's wife Mary etc are buried, but never for a moment thought that there could be another memorial pertaining to our Hugh. The possibility seems strong - no other Hugh McNab relevant age/October date on Scotlandspeople.... A great mystery to unravel - Sometimes takes years, but so often people on Rootschat have knocked down my brick walls!!! What are you thoughts Cladhan?
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Hi,
Answering point by point:
If you look at the photos in this link, you’ll see that the first ditto refers to ‘DIED’, the second to the year of death of the preceding person, and the third to ‘AGE’.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/203102127/hugh-mcnab
It’s turning out that some of those inscribed probably are buried there (I have to get the RC people to name the lair number), but others not so, instead being associated with religious societies in the RC church.
The Dalbeth burial records are in Scotland’s People and are of good quality. The only Hugh McNab entries returned from searching are of infants. It’s unlikely he was buried in Dalbeth.
Let me describe our research. My gggrandfather was a stonemason, probably from Tyrone, whose name and address are on the base of these memorials. To study his life further, I’ve teamed up with an academic historian and we’re aiming to understand as much as possible the collective lives of those memorialised. We’ll publish our findings in an academic journal.
Those ancestors of mine suffered disease and death at a similar level as did Hugh’s family - what a dreadful time and place.
Would it be possible to have copies of the newspaper reports and the Greenock burial info? They could be valuable resource for our study.
It’s like a detective story trying to deduce poor Hugh’s last movements. I imagine his clothes (his Sunday best? Although the Oct 1883 date was a Thursday) could last in the water. If he was in the water for a long time - which seems likely as he lived in Glasgow - the real cause of death would not be ascertainable. His empty pockets - was he victim of fatally violent robbery and thrown into the river?
I hope we can shed some light on this man’s life.
Thanks
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Hi again Cladhan,
Again a quick post, as I rush out the door to my volunteer job (nothing to do with genealogy)! Have relooked at "Hugh McNab's" story - wrote it in 2011, and realise I have never updated it - Another job to be done with much more info found on other family members over the years. So - hope attachment of it will be accepted here. Check out Page 7 - I have photo of the Dalbeth lair where Hugh McNab's wife and family are buried, - no headstone, - but interestingly right next to it, is a large memorial which looks very like the one you are working on!! Surroundings look different though. I think your research and work sound amazing... very happy to be involved! There is also info re Greenock cemetery and copies of the newspaper items... If it doesn't go through - will get back to you later - maybe email needed. Wooops - thought so, pdf is just over 900 kb... too big... will try to attach greenock stuff separately... Will just attach Greenock cemetery for March 1884 - "Body of a Man".. on 5th March 1884... Oh damn it, now it is not accepting that one either "Over 500 kb"... duhhh... Get back to you later on today - (Aussie time).
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The Greenock Telegraph 3 March 1884
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Glasgow Evening Times
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The Greenock Telegraph 5 March 1884
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Hi Sancti
Thanks for these newspaper clippings... I had already found the first and third of them, but not the second which states that the body was considerably decomposed..... Now that certainly begins to add to the option that in fact the Hugh McNab on the memorial is likely to be my Hugh who was the body in Greenock harbour. Can you tell me what newspaper that second one was from? If in fact my Hugh went "missing" for a considerable time, it certainly adds to the sadness of the story. His wife Mary Martin went through so many losses - I have sent more detailed info to Cladhan.... And Hugh's own family, siblings and parents have sorry tales to tell. It seems that after moving to Glasgow, they went through the issues of "Poor Law Relief", "Fever Hospital", losing their 4 daughters (rangeing from causes as TB - to "Fever" in the far off land of Karachi), after about 8 years the parents appear to move back to Ireland, with a grandaughter (who disappears from records)... and they end up dying in 1885 and 1890 - the father dying in the Poor House. Wow, - the tales of ancestors who endured these incredibly difficult times - deserve to be rememebered... We wouldn't be here today without them!!!
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Oh sorry Sancti
I see it was the Glasgow Evening Times..... Thanks again.
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Did Mary Martin/McNab make a claim for Poor Relief when Hugh went missing?
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Hi there Sancti,
Hadn't thought of doing a Poor Law Relief search - thanks for the reminder. Haven't done one of them for a long time - hope the system is still the same.... The wife Mary McNab (Martin) had an enormously stressful time, so there are strong possibilities of some records - and when finding these sort of records for other family members, have found a wealth of information!! Will chase it up
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I’ve been intrigued enough by the questions over Hugh’s fate to consult the science over body decomposition in freshwater. The outcome is that it’s entirely feasible that he did enter the water in late October 1883 and reach the reported ‘considerably decomposed’ state (Glasgow Evening Times).
An international standard for determining how long a body was in water was established in the following scientific paper, which relied heavily on details of 125 bodies recovered from the River Clyde in Glasgow, with immersion periods of a few minutes (0 days) to 192 days.
Predicting the Postmortem Submersion Interval for Human Remains Recovered from U.K. Waterways. Heaton et al. Journal of Forensic Science (2010) 55: 302-307.
Let me summarise from the study.
Well established pathological states were compared with known times in the water, allowing the scientists ‘to produce a single linear regression model for predicting ADD from observed decomposition’. ADD is the Average Daily temperature for the number of Days in water - time and temperature are the main determinants of decomposition.
What I’ve deduced is that Hugh could have entered the water late in October and stayed submerged until early March - the Clyde was incredibly busy, and a floating body would have been seen very soon. His heavy clothing would have contributed to submersion. Submersion and low temperature are key factors in inhibiting decomposition. His body would have headed downstream slowly, being delayed by twice-daily upstream shifts due to the tidal behaviour of the Clyde.
I’ve applied the time and feasible temperature data of Hugh’s circumstances into the ADD model. There isn’t a database of Scottish river temperatures, but in England, river temperatures Nov-Feb inclusive (when Hugh is hypothesised to have been in the water) are 5 degrees. The number of days was 127. The output from the model is that the body would have had a pathological score of 18-19, on a scale of 1-25. Looking at the reference pathological descriptions (gruesome reading!), it is fair to say they would fit with ‘considerably decomposed’, but being well short of complete decomposition.
Overall, then, it is feasible that poor Hugh entered the water late in October.
We should bear in mind also that the memorial in Dalbeth would have been inscribed in consultation with his family, who surely would have provided the October date.
In conclusion, and bearing in mind that genealogy often evades certainty, my belief is that Hugh on the memorial indeed might well be the unfortunate Hugh whose body was found in Greenock.
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Hiya Cladhan,
You sure have gone to great technical depths in your time analysis - and I am also coming to the belief that we are speaking of the one and same Hugh McNab.
Can you tell me any more about the Memorial itself? when was it built/installed? I don't suppose there are any records left/available of this, whether from a RC church point of view, or from a Cemetery/council view? You have certainly resurrected my passion for the story of my Great grandfather - and I now need to try for "Poor Law Relief" records and obviously I need to update my "Story", which I am wondering if you received from me.
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sorry to bombard you with questions Cladhan.
Could you supply me with "old school" details on the location of this specific memorial? I know you have suggested what3words, but I am a bit of a dinosaur - Don't have an Apple device to download the app. Can you give me an actual old style map or "lair" type details? A sister of mine has just flown from Australia for a quick trip to Scotland, - she won't have time to add to her schedule, but would have been great for her to do a "Dalbeth" trip, as lots of the family have done over the years without knowing fully what family history lies there.... Cheers
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Me again Cladhan!!!
My McNab family Lair where Hugh's mob are buried is Lair 109, Section 8E - Just wondering if the memorial is nearby or not
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what3words is fine if you have a suitable device and there is reception and the battery isn't flat.
On a proper map the reference is NS 6316 6272 but if that too is a mystery to you, see the attached. X marks the spot. Approximately.
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Hi again,
The memorial was erected in the 1870s, but is surrounded by mysteries. That's why we're researching it. Hopefully much more will be revealed, and of course we'll publish it. Hugh is one of 85 people we're researching.
I didn't receive the story you mention. Did you send it to the email address I messaged?
Attached are two pictures homing in on the w3w tag I've placed on the memorial, which is the one nearest bottom of the images.
One of the problems with Dalbeth is the absence of lair mapping. During my recent visit, I encountered a selfless man who contributes grave data to FindAGrave, and even he has been able to retrieve only partial information on lair locations. To my knowledge, the McNab family lair you mention is not near the memorial in question.
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PS The w3w tag is precise to about 3 metres. I tried GPS mapping on site, but the resolution was appalling, so I resorted to w3w. You can see the shadow of the memorial in the w3w image I posted.
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Hi Everyone who has contributed so far to this post,
As mentioned before, I am now eager to know if the family of my ancestory Hugh McNab ever applied for Poor Law Relief (might clarify history, and that of the "memorial") - Have emailed the Glasgow City Archives (Archives@glasgowlife .org) - more than a month ago now, but have not received any indication they have even received my email. Does anyone know if they are still able to do this research for me (am in Australia). Years gone past they have been very helpful - just not sure that they are still offering the service? Anyone know? Might re-send email with a "receipt" requiest. Cheers everyone - Hope all is well with the wild weather happening in Scotland!
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Hi again everyone,
My initial request to Glasgow City Archives seemed to have got lost in the system, but having chased them up, they were again most helpful in researching for Hugh and Mary McNab' poor law relief info. Received it a couple of days ago. And it did confirm that my great grandfather is in fact the "Hugh McNab" named on the Dalbeth cemetery memorial. Just goes to show that family history is never "finished" - even if you work at it for years, with time and input from Rootschatters, there is so often something new to be discovered. Mary applied for Poor Law relief on 2nd November 1883, records state "Paupers husband has for some time been suffering from Brain Disease, but was able to work a little till Wednesday 24th, when he went out along with his wife to purchase some goods and while she was in the shop he moved on and has not been heard of since."... A further application she made many years later in 1915 stated "Her husband was missing for about 6 months. She went to Greenock where she identified his remains. Death entered in the Edinburch Search Book. Body found in the West Harbour 3/3/1884.." A couple of questions there - "Brain Disease" could mean many things - he was only in his late 30's.... also I wondered what the "Edinburgh Search Book" was - this all took place in Glasgow - so why Edinburgh. And of course what on earth happened in the intervening 6 months?? Was it a pure accident? There was nothing of significance in his pockets, which initially could have suggested a robbery/mugging? But on the other hand, if he had "Brain" issues, maybe his wife was in charge of the finances?? (Times not changed??) What a woman Mary McNab (Ms Martin) must have been. All around the time of her husbands disappearance, she had multiple family deaths - her mother, two brothers aged only in their 30's, her last remaining female child aged about 18 months (had already lost one girl and another two male babies)... seems she was the mainstay of the family, and was the "informant" on all deaths. She brought up two remaining sons, but even in her later years, though they did their best to assist her, in 1915 she had to apply for help again. I am still eager to know if the Sacred Heart Church Bridgeton retains any old records - one question on application "If member of Church Mission" - answer "Sacred Heart Chapel". So it will also be interesting to know how the research of the "Sacred Heart Memorial" progresses! I notice Cladhan, that you stated the memorial was erected in the 1870s?? Should that have been the 1890s?
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Great to see the account of Hugh's life corroborated through a range of records, even with a bit of science too!
Dating the Sacred Heart memorial is not easy. Its first inscription is 1874, which was one year after the foundation of that religious parish and within a few years of the city ordering that new burials move away from city centre graveyards. The inscription lettering style is uniform, until the original stonemason retired in 1896, but he could have performed all the inscribing in his own style over the 20+ years from 1874. The dates and names inscribed relate quite well to the corresponding death records, but imperfectly so, leading me to believe that the info was provided to the stonemason by the bereaved (many of whom were illiterate) or sodality around the time of interment, rather than by recourse to records many years later, when at least some of the bereaved also would have passed away. In addition, it seems likely that this important grave would have been marked by a memorial from the beginning, rather than as an afterthought two decades later.
But that's all speculation....
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Hi Cladhan,
Interesting to know that the Sacred Heart Parish was founded in 1874 - which was 10 years after my McNab family arrival from Co. Tyrone. The family like thousands of others, could have been doing with parish support... Most of them ended up in the "Fever hospital" within the first year. Apart from the two brothers Hugh and Patrick, there were 4 sisters, who within 8 years of arrival, were married, gave birth, and died - very young. My own namesake Margaret McNab, like two of her sisters married a soldier (George Bagnell), went with him to Karachi, had a baby, both dying and being buried in such a far off land of 1870! Another sister Jane McNab married a Michael Kenny, had a child Mary - Jane dies, the grandparents Francis and Mary McNab seem to take her, but not being eligible for Poor Law Relief in Glasgow, they returned to Co. Tyrone, presumably with the child, who seems to disappear into the sunset, no further records of her being found - though have found deaths of the grandparents in Omagh. So many stories of the "Irish" - could be good script for tv series...
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Before the SH church wasa created, they were married in the St Mary church just up the road, according to the Poor Laws entry.
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Hi Cladhan,
In Mary McNab's Poor Law relief application in 1915 it talks about her previous application in 1883. One thing which has mystified me is the statement "Death entered in the Edinburgh Search Book". In all my years of Scottish records, I have never heard of "The Edinburgh Search Book". The commennt was written in 1915 - so what does it mean? The whole case/family has no connection to Edinburgh - only Glasgow and Greenock. Is this "book" a national record of some type? Did it relate to what we could call "cold cases" these days - i.e. death notice 6 months after the initial missing person = closure of the case? Does it relate to Police records? Wonder if anyone with Edinburgh research experience would know - would it be worth starting a new post on Edinburgh page?
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would it be worth starting a new post on Edinburgh page?
Possibly better on the Scotland general board - but make sure that you say it is a continuation of this thread so anyone interested can read through what has already been found.
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https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/61289/150th-anniversary-of-sacred-heart-parish-glasgow
A nice mention of the Sacred Heart Church in the link above.
Grammar errors a bit of a surprise given the source ::)
Monica