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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Inverness => Topic started by: djocam on Monday 04 April 11 23:39 BST (UK)
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If anyone is able to help with this one that would be awesome.
According to an inscription here in New Zealand - Archibald McDonell died on October 8th 1848 at Fort Augustus and was interred at Glengarry.
Can someone please point me in the right direction for a cemetery in Glengarry that I might be able to find him?
We have such little info on him and no info on his linage, but he was about 56 when he died leaving his wife Annie (McRae) and 13 children who emigrated to Australia & NZ afterwards.
He apparently was born at Achluachrach (sp).
Cheers ;D
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There's an interesting entry in the Scottish Gazetteer. Apparently Glen Garry has an historic association with the McDonnells (more details http://www.scotclans.com/scottish_clans/clans/macdonnell_of_glengarry/history.html). The entry says that Glen Garry was part of Kilmonivaig parish. I suppose it's possible he might be buried in the churchyard there (although I checked on deceasedonline and doesn't seem to be any information there). Sorry I can't help more. Have you got his marriage certificate with details of parents names etc?
Lucia
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Thanks so much for your help, what you say is very interesting. No I don't have their marriage certificate, they got married on the 12 March 1816 at Glenshiel, Ross and Cromarty, I have only just found this though via Scotlands People, would the certificate have the parents on it do you know?
Cheers
Jo
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Thanks so much for your help, what you say is very interesting. No I don't have their marriage certificate, they got married on the 12 March 1816 at Glenshiel, Ross and Cromarty, I have only just found this though via Scotlands People, would the certificate have the parents on it do you know?
Cheers
Jo
Dear Jo,
Sorry I think I misread your message. I don't think you'd be able to find out much information from the marriage entry. I'll see what I can find out. I have the same problem trying to find ancestors pre-registration.
Lucia
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There are two possible burial grounds in Glengarry where he may have been buried. One at the head of Loch Lochy (Kilfinnan) which is the burial ground of THE MacDonells of Glengarry. The other is at Munerigie just beyond Invergarry on the road to Skye - this is very close to Achluachrach.
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My family is buried at Munerigie as are many Catholic McDonell relatives. Unfortunately the stones which share their grounds with sheep are not in good condition
My relatives were Ewen McIsaac McDonald [a merchant and cattleman in Fort Augustus] and AnnMcDonnell who died in 1858 , aged 67 . I have a list taken in 1949 when only 8 stones were legible The surnames are Cameron, Gilles, Mc Donnell/ MacDonnell and Kennedy
On another list I saw that Archibald who was a tacksman was said to have the same parents as my Ewen, Alexander McIssac McDonald or McDonell and Mary McMillan. Is that right? My Ann' parents were Alexander McDonell and Catherine McDonald . Ewen was born in Glengarry and Ann in Boleskine.
After Ewen's death in the early 1860's my immediate relatives left for Australia
Julia
New Zealand
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I was in Munerigie a few years ago but there didn't appear to be any of my MacDonells or Kennedys there. My lot are in Kilfinnan burial ground at the Invergarry end of Loch Lochy - very few old headstones. I have two lots of MacDonells - one lot from Glenmoriston who came to Greenfield - married into Kennedys and more MacDonells (Father Roderick Andrew's lot) and my second lot who were at Mandally and Balmaglaster but they couldn't make up their minds if they were from Boleskine or Glenelg!!!! One of my Kennedy lot went to Stratherrick and married into more MacDonells. All terribly confusing, but sorry, don't know anything about your ones.
Abrach1
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Thanks for all your replies, I have now found where was buried (Kilfinnan).
abrach1 - From letters the family have here in NZ from Father Roderick Andrew McDonell ,it would seem there is a family connection. He states in a letter in 1899 that his grandmother and Archie's wife (Annie McRae) were 1st cousins. Do you know the name of his Grandmother? I know his grandfather was Ronald MacDonell.
JuliaP - We think that Archibald McDonell's parents were Alisdair (or Alexander or Angus) McDonell and Christy McDonell. Archibald was the tacksman of 2 farms - Auchlaucrach (sp) and Kinlochunagan, around Fort Augustus.
I would be interested to learn what list you are refering to?
Cheers
Jo
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Sorry I've only recently started using this site again
The list I was referring to is one made by an Englishman of the gravestones that were still legible at Munerigie just before the hydro scheme flooded part of the area. Yes there are McDonell/McDonnell nameslisted
Sara Macdonnell married to Donald Gilles died 14 Jan 1916 aged 95 and her son Alsdair died Jan 18 1919 aged 55
Christine McDonnell died at Leek Sept 1902 , her sister Helen , her nephew Donal Gamekeeper , Aberchalder died 1908 ged 62
Ewan Mc Donald [ my relative] merchant of fort Augustus and his wife Ann McDonnell died 1858 aged 67
Donald McDonell 1822
John McDonnell son of Donal Bhan McDonnell, Old Ground Invergarry died 13 February 1880 and Jane Kennedy his wife
I have a lot of details on these people as I thought there must be some links with my own family
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Howdy djocam, you mentioned Kinlochuanagan, thats where my lot came from, they left in 1838 for Australia,
I believe the Robertson's owned the inn at the head of loch uanagan and as my John MacDonell married Ann MacDonald, a grand daughter of the Robertsons, i believe he got an overseer job at the inn.
My Macs are buried at Auchterawe RC. Our Ann was church of Scotland.
I am sure we are all attached somewere along that large family tree, what you reckon Julia
macca
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Howdy djocam, you mentioned Kinlochuanagan, thats where my lot came from, they left in 1838 for Australia,
I believe the Robertson's owned the inn at the head of loch uanagan and as my John MacDonell married Ann MacDonald, a grand daughter of the Robertsons, i believe he got an overseer job at the inn.
My Macs are buried at Auchterawe RC. Our Ann was church of Scotland.
I am sure we are all attached somewere along that large family tree, what you reckon Julia
macca
Hi Julia,
Sorry I have only just read your post, there may well be a connection, Archibalds and Annie's oldest child James McDonell also immigrated in 1838, onboard the "Asia". Also onboard were his Uncle Donald McRae and his family. And further investigating has found family connections with several other of the McDonell's onboard.
We do know that Archibald had at least one brother, Alaistair (Alexander), who we think may have died in about 1846, but some of his children went to Australia.
Jo
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hi there djocam, am also in New Zealand and related to the Macdonell's and Macdonald's through my grandparents. Your query regarding the maiden name of Ronald Macdonell's wife Margaret, if its our line, her maiden name was Macrae. Their children were Alasdair, Catherine, Ian, and Duncan. Ian was my great granfather. If it is the line and you have more information on my relatives, I would like to hear from you. cheers.
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Hi Gazza,
I may have contacted you in the past about the McDonell's but I just noticed your post about the Robertsons at Kinlochuanagan. I've just returned from Scotland and chanced on a headstone in Kilchuimen Cemetery in Fort Augustus. It says
Erected to the memory of Alexander Robinson, Innkeeper Kenlochuanagan, who departed this life 30 March 1828, aged ?? years (could be 36, 56 (most likely) or 86, very worn). Maybe this is a help.
AMH
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Hi Gazza,
I may have contacted you in the past about the McDonell's but I just noticed your post about the Robertsons at Kinlochuanagan. I've just returned from Scotland and chanced on a headstone in Kilchuimen Cemetery in Fort Augustus. It says
Erected to the memory of Alexander Robinson, Innkeeper Kenlochuanagan, who departed this life 30 March 1828, aged ?? years (could be 36, 56 (most likely) or 86, very worn). Maybe this is a help.
AMH
Hello AMH
Sorry for not getting back here for so long a time.
My wife and I were in Scotland in June and spent some time at FortAugustus and Lochuanagan.
Took a photo of Alexander's headstone as well.
Had a long chat with George Findlayson and his mum, lovely people, wonderfull place.
We could sell up and move to Fort Augustus we loved it so much.
It seems we are all related in a round about way some time back in the 1700s.
The global family is getting larger and closer all the time.
macca
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Hi,
Sorry I've taken so long but I've been visiting Europe ,though more Belgium , to commemorate our grandfather's death 100 years ago in WW1 in Ypres.
Just to say my eldest son and I visited and stayed overnight just under 3 years ago at Kinlochuanagan, a great B and B.
Ours are buried at Munerigie but I'm sure we are all related
Julia
New Zealand
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The previous messages are an absolute bonus. I too am I descendant of Archibald McDonnell, my GtGt grandmother was Margaret McDonnell a daughter who later married James Campbell in New Zealand.
Anne
Tasman, NZ
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Just a bit about a burial at Munerigie.
I downloaded a certificate from Scotland's People of a Janet McDonald (not the Janet I was looking for, but thought the information may help someone)
Janet McDonald, widow of a crofter (she married a McDonell)
died 2 November 1859 at 10am age 92 at Letterfearn, Glengarry from natural decay
Parents: Allan McDonald & Ann nee McDonald
Informant: John Scott, son-in-law, present
Buried: Munerigie.
I have a few details about the family.
John Scott was married to Isabella McDonell 24 May 1823. He was the son of James Scott & Janet Wilson and he died 13 July 1866 age 80 at Letterfearn. Isabella died 18 March 1873 age 80 at Letterfearn. Both are buried in Kilfinnan Burial Ground.
AMH
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Jo I keep looking at your list of names and I'm really conscious that Alisdair is another name for Alexander and Christy for Catherine, the names of my Annie or Ann McDonell born in Boleskine circa 1795 near Fort Augustus .She died in 1855. Her surviving brother Alexander , a butcher died a little later. The dates and the places match up and the fact that migration was to Australia.
Julia
New Zealand
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Jo I keep looking at your list of names and I'm really conscious that Alisdair is another name for Alexander and Christy for Catherine, the names of my Annie or Ann McDonell born in Boleskine circa 1795 near Fort Augustus .She died in 1855. Her surviving brother Alexander , a butcher died a little later. The dates and the places match up and the fact that migration was to Australia.
Julia
New Zealand
Hi Julia
Our Macdonell family is the same as Gail Cawkwell's, she is a 4th cousin to my husband Dean. Did she get around to asking if you want to take an atDNA (autosomal) test?
It might help as we have at least 11 descendants of Archie and Annie tested now so if you are related should show to one of them.
Cheers
Jo
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How do I go about getting the test done? I thought it was better for the male lime. My mother was the McDonell / MacDonald
Kind regards
Julia
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How do I go about getting the test done? I thought it was better for the male lime. My mother was the McDonell / MacDonald
Kind regards
Julia
The male test is of the Y chromosome which of course only men have, which is passed down from father to son etc. so gives a wonderful unbroken(unless there was an NPE or adoption) DNA line.
However the atDNA (autosomal) test is for both men and women. It will give you your cousins from both your mother and father's families (it won't tell you which). atDNA is harder to interpret as it goes something like this: you get roughly 50% atDNA from your father and 50% from your mother, and you get a recombination of both sides. So kind of like putting it into a blender and you get what you get, for example one sibling might get more of one side than the other.
It will show very well up to say 3rd cousins, and after that it can be a bit of a lottery. I can go into more in depth detail but best to email you that. If you want, personal message me through rootschat or email Gail to pass on my email. The company we all have used is Family Tree DNA (ftDNA). I can probably tell you more in an email...Jo
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Hi there,
I just found this post. Archibald and Annie (nee McCrae) McDonnell are my great great grandparents. Their daughter Johanna (emigrated to Australia) is my great grandmother. I can't answer your question unfortunately but just thought it would be nice to reach out.
Regards
Gabrielle
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Hi there,
I just found this post. Archibald and Annie (nee McCrae) McDonnell are my great great grandparents. Their daughter Johanna (emigrated to Australia) is my great grandmother. I can't answer your question unfortunately but just thought it would be nice to reach out.
Regards
Gabrielle
Hello Gabrielle,
Just wondering if you have or know if someone tested one of the direct paternal descendants of Archibald McDonnell?
Interested to hear either way.
Peter MacDonald (Canada)
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Hi there,
I just found this post. Archibald and Annie (nee McCrae) McDonnell are my great great grandparents. Their daughter Johanna (emigrated to Australia) is my great grandmother. I can't answer your question unfortunately but just thought it would be nice to reach out.
Regards
Gabrielle
Hello Gabrielle,
Just wondering if you have or know if someone tested one of the direct paternal descendants of Archibald McDonnell?
Interested to hear either way.
Peter MacDonald (Canada)
Peter MacDonald the answer to that question is yes, we have had a direct male descendant of Archie tested (Big Y-500). Clan Donald Code &XEHTY, in the group of descendants of Donald MacDonald, 2nd of Glengarry.
Jo
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Howdy djocam, you mentioned Kinlochuanagan, thats where my lot came from, they left in 1838 for Australia,
I believe the Robertson's owned the inn at the head of loch uanagan and as my John MacDonell married Ann MacDonald, a grand daughter of the Robertsons, i believe he got an overseer job at the inn.
My Macs are buried at Auchterawe RC. Our Ann was church of Scotland.
I am sure we are all attached somewere along that large family tree, what you reckon Julia
macca
Hi there,
I just discovered this post and I was wondering if you possibly had a date of birth for your John MacDonell as it is possible he might be connected to my great, great, great, great grandfather Duncan MacDonell. Duncan's father was John MacDonell and we think his mother was Anne MacDonald.
cheers!
Fox
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Hi there,
I just found this post. Archibald and Annie (nee McCrae) McDonnell are my great great grandparents. Their daughter Johanna (emigrated to Australia) is my great grandmother. I can't answer your question unfortunately but just thought it would be nice to reach out.
Regards
Gabrielle
Hello Gabrielle,
Just wondering if you have or know if someone tested one of the direct paternal descendants of Archibald McDonnell?
Interested to hear either way.
Peter MacDonald (Canada)
Peter MacDonald the answer to that question is yes, we have had a direct male descendant of Archie tested (Big Y-500). Clan Donald Code &XEHTY, in the group of descendants of Donald MacDonald, 2nd of Glengarry.
Jo
Jo,
Thank you for your reply and answer. Always on the look out for possible matches.
All the best.
Peter