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Hi
I am new to this I am looking for information regarding my great grandparents
on my fathers side.
Rudolph LAMBERT and his wife Sylvia (nee POTTER)
My grandfather Jean Eric LAMBERT he passed away 1972 was one of his many children
I also know of some of his sisters Josie, Marie, Olga most came to Australia after the second world war. I know he had brothers Roy, Ronnie??, Leslie??
My grandmother Vera Sigrid LAMBERT (nee Roos Van Raadshoven) 1910 - 2009 did not like to talk about history much from before WW11 as she never really recovered from being a POW.
I know my grandfather was married twice and had two children to his first wife but I do not know her name? I know he had a son Eric, and a daughter who passed away as a child.
Also one of Granddads brothers was married to his first wife's sister so unfortunately that caused some family problems.
My grandmother said she met Grandad at a tennis club in Singapore.
I would love to know more like when did Rudolph and Sylvia pass away and where all the great aunties and uncles went?
Any information would be appreciated?
Thank you
Terri
:)
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Hi
Do you know when and where Rudolph was born
Incoming passenger lists have an entry as follows
Rudolph Lambert 41 Insurance agent
Felicitas 41
Reginald 17
Dolcia 15
Embarked Singapore and arrived Southampton England 24.11.1945. Address travelling to was 11 Belgrave Avenue Congleton Cheshire
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Hi
Wow that was quick!! ;D
I am sorry no, I don't know where he was born or much about him at all but there is a photo taken in 1923 of Sylvia (known as Goldie) and it is their 25th wedding anniversary.
So maybe this Rudolph is one of his sons and his family??
Thank you so much for your quick response.
Regards
Terry :)
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Sounds as though he was born in the 1870's if he married in 1898 but it's knowing where he was born that matters
The English 1881 census has this entry for Eastbourne Sussex
Justin A Lambert 48 Professor of modern languages b Neuchatel Switzerland
Catharine A 45 b Wurtemberg, Germany
Auguste 15 Blackheath, Kent
Rudolf 13 Eastbourne, Sussex
Clara 9 b Sussex
Isabelle 8 ditto
Amelie 6 ditto
Harry Jackson 27 visitor b Staincross, Durham
Auguste Knoble 66 servant b Wurtemberg, Germany
Olga Brendel 17 servant b Saxony, Germany
RG11 Piece 1038 Folio 134 Page 6
In the 1871 census he is Rudolf T and there is another son called Emile aged 9 b London
EDIT
Freebmd has him as James Rudolph P Lambert b 1868 Eastbourne
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Still with parents in 1891 but the following website has an entry for him leaving in 1892 for Philadelphia
http://www.ancestorsonboard.com/HomePageController.action
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Thanks Carol,
Grandmum once mentioned about James Matthias Lambert Carriage works being Granddads family business in Singapore.
And I found a little bit in the singapore papers about a Rudolph Lambert who passed away 1932 but it states he was originally from Germany?? So I am not sure.
I do know that he married Sylvia Eugenie Potter from Ireland thats a definite but I don't know where.
Maybe in Philadlephia!!
thank you
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Findagrave has photos of the Singapore grave of Jean Rudolph Lambert born in Berlin in 1836, died 1884. His father perhaps?
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=60600918
Per the Straits Times;
"On Wednesday last we recorded the death of an old resident, Mr. Jean Rudolph Lambert, a native of Germany, who has been connected with Singapore for upwards of twenty five years. When Mr. Lambert first came to the place, be got employment as an overseer under the Municipal Commissioners. But about the year 1860, he established himself as a carriage builder in Coleman Street close to what is now the Adelphi Hotel, and later on he opened, in partnership with his brother Edward, that large establishment m Orchard Koad, which he occupied until his death. In this workshop, carriages, equal, if not superior, to any made in the East have been constructed, and Singapore is indebted to the Lambert Brothers — both of whom have now passed away — for great improvements in carriage building, both in construction and in the excellence of material. Mr. Lambert leaves a considerable fortune to his children, and will be long remembered as a fine example of a steady, industrious, and successful colonist, and a genial and public spirited citizen."
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:m5estJ7FTecJ:newspapers.nl.sg/Digitised/Article/stweekly18841008.2.9.aspx+%22rudolph+lambert%22+Singapore+Germany&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk
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Hi Shaun,
Thank you for this.
This Rudolph is obviously related but it can't be my great grandfather because my grandfather Jean Eric Rudolph Lambert was only born in 1900 perhaps it is my great great grandfather.
I know they were a wealthy family but we have a group shot taken in 1923 on Rudolph and Sylvias (nee Potter) 25th wedding anniversary 1923. So that rules them out.
Thanks again. The photos are great I am sure they have to be relatives not unless there are two lines of Lamberts who use the names Jean. Eric & Rudolph. who lived in Singapore at that time.
It would be good to find out Rudolph Seniors wifes's name.
I really don't know how to track this down is there BDM sites in Singapore or Dutch East Indies mostly Batavia Java, that you know of
Cheers
Terri :D
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http://www.tfoenander.com/singaporejurors1.htm
In this 1904 list of Singapore jurors we have:
Rudolph Lambert, broker; Flint Street.
William Lambert, manager, Carriage Works; 190, Orchard Road
The Straits Times of 21 April 1930 announces the death of Athea, widow of Jean Rudolph lambert aged 89.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cnb/
and on the same page there is an acknowledgement from Mr W Lambert and Miss L Lambert thanking those who attended their mother's funeral.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cnc/
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Death in Java of Rudolph Edward Matthew Lambert, late of Singapore.December 3 1932 aged 62 so born 1870.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cnd/
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1878: Edward Lambert of Singapore marries Othilie Schauer of Stettin, Germany
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cne/
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Hi Shaun,
Fantastic, I am so excited to finally find out some history any mention of Sylvia Rudolphs wife her full name is Syvia Eugenie Lambert (nee Potter) I don't know if she passed away before the fall of Singapore or if she got out before being interned.
If she got out I wonder where she went? There was a record of Rudolph travelling to Philadelphia in 1891
I hope you haven't this message twice as I typed it out before and I thought it was gone but couldn't see it posted.
Thanks again
;D :D :) Terry
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Found this on an Ancestry message board :
"My GG Grandmother was Mary Anne Walsh b.C1837 Tipperary, (township not known)d.10 Mar 1915 Carlton Melb.Vic, one of the sisters to your Catherine. Mary Anne m.13 Apr,1857 Melb.Aust.to Patrick William Potter b.C 1838 Athlone St.Mary's Westmeath, Ireland. They had 10 children. One of who is my GGrandmother Syliva Eugenie"Goldie"Potter m.3rd Mar.1897 in Singapore to Rudolph Edward Matthew Lambert.
I would appreciate the full names, births,marriages & deaths of Catherine & Alfred's Children and date the family moved to NZ.
Dates of When & Where was Alfred White born and died."
http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.walsh/1297.1.1/mb.ashx
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Sylvia Eugenie Potter is in Victoria BDMs - born circa 1874-5
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cnq/
REM Lambert appointed Resident Manager for China Mutual Life Insurance Company in East Java - 27 April 1921.
E Lambert is Resident Secretary.
So Rudolph must have moved to East Java around that time.
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Hi Shaun,
Thank you. Yes that would be right, my Dad was born in Batavia Java.
Wherever you are looking could you look for my Granddad his name was Eric Jean Rudolph Lambert born in 1900 I am interested in his marriages.
One to ?? which produced two children a son Eric and a daughter who passed away after he was married to my Grandmum Vera Sigrid who then had two sons.
I think Grandad Lambert was the eldest of the children.
Also Sylvia I don't know what happened to her, do you think she died before Rudolph otherwise you would think they would mention her in the death notice??
Thanks alot for your help
Terri
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Hello TERIPAT, I have been researching our Lambert family tree for many years and the Lamberts did not come from England but originally from Germany, found out many interesting things. Roy and Faye opened the first Lamberts Driving school in Singapore. Look forward to hearing from you. Your Mum should know who I am, as we all were in Singapore together as children. :)
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Hi Teripat, I was born in Singapore and my grandparents were Rudolph and Faye who owned the Lamberts Driving School, which is still there in name only. My father's name was Reg (dec) and his sister Dulcie, is still living. We are all connected. Vicki and I have been researching the tree for quite awhile. We know alot of the Lamberts are living in Qld and some in Melb.
I even have a beautiful photo of Rudolph and Sylvia that was taken at their Silver Wedding Anniversary, March 1921 with all their children around them one with my grandfather Rudolph "Roy", and one was Eric Jean Rudolph (1st married to Jenette "Netty"Johanna Maria VAN DEN ENGH b. 1906 Holland, Marriage June 1925, Died 1932 Jakarta. They had 2 children Eric Rudolph Martinus and Sylvia (dec) When "Netty" he remarried to Vera (when Vera married him she always called in Jean as she did not like the name Eric.
Rudolph b.10 Feb 1873 Singapore, d.5 December, Malanir Hospital,Surabaya, Java Indonesia or Typhoid fever. Married March 1897 Singapore to Sylvia Eugine Potter b.5 Nov 1874 Melbourne, d.26th May,1927 Surabaya, Indonesia.
If you look in Google under the Straits Times and insert the word Lambert, just look down as there are quite a few. Its a good start especially if you type in the Christian name.
What is the name of your Dad? It's not Tony is it, as he knows I have been doing the tree for a long time. I also remember Aunty Vera. He can give you my phone number as we are regularly in touch. Infact, I am sure you and I have been in touch by e-mail in the past. Otherwise you can contact me on my private e-mail if you have it.
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Hello,
I am new to this website but came across this thread when I was searching online for information. My grandfather was William Lambert from Singapore who we know was born in Berlin. We knew he was involved in the Lambert bros coach builders and that he had a brother called Edward who also came to Singapore. We are not sure of the names of the parents of William and Edward Lambert, but are wondering if Rudolph could be one of them. From what we have read from the posts on this forum, we feel that they must be definitely connected as the businesses they were involved in were the same. We know that William also had a brother called Rudolph but he died in 1935 - perhaps the Rudolph that you are referring to had a son?we know that William Lambert died in 1949 in Singapore. We also know that his first wife Ruth Eileen was from Corke in southern Ireland - she died in 1935. Can anyone confirm the connection?
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Hi, Singapore 49- I think we are connected-Jean Rudolph Lambert b.12 Feb 1836 Berlin died Singapore 30 Sept 1884 Foundered (Have picture of headstone- Singapore)the coach building business 1862/or 1865 married Athia Tiga Oesman had 6 children, of whom all were born in Singapore.:
Jeanne Caroline "Lina" Christine, Jean Ernest William "Willy" b. 30 Dec 1868 Singapore d.14 Nov 1949 Singapore(Manager of the Coach Works), Rudolph Edward Matthew Lambert,b.1873 Singapore (coachbuilder) d. 5 Dec 1932 Surabaya. Fritz Frederick, Herman "Tom" and Emelia.
"Willy" Lambert married a Ruth Eileen Comerford/Rutherford? b. 1871 place unknown.(you have now confirmed Corke, Ireland) died 30 May 1935, Singapore. Not sure of date of their marriage date and correct maiden name of Ruth. Known to have had two children- Agnes and Clara? I would appreciate if this is correct and any more information on the family.
I am the the gr. grandaughter of Rudolph Edward Matthew Lambert.
My grandfather, Rudolph "Roy"Lawrence Lambert son of Rudolph Edward Matthew owned the Lamberts driving School in Singapore . I too was born in Singapore now living in Australia.
I am also trying to find more connections as Jean Rudolph's siblings were all born in Berlin.
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Hi baa. Very pleased to get your message which confirms some of what we know but also gives information that we have been searching for. We replied to you on your e mail address about a week ago but have had no reply. Perhaps the message didn't reach you. Will post more info here if you need us to. Regards Singapore 49
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Hi all
I am also a member of this large family, and doing some research of my own.
So Sylvia "Goldie" Eugenie (Potter) LAMBERT and Rudolf Edward Matthew LAMBERT (REML) had numerous children (12?) and one of the eldest was my grandmother Doris Eugenie (Lambert) BARKER (b.1899 d.1994). Doris and HR Barker had 7 children and my mother Marie Therese was the eldest (b.1919 Surabaya d. 2015). I am her youngest (of 8).
So my grandmother Doris, Jean Eric Rudolf LAMBERT (JERL), Roy, Les and others were siblings.
I was wondering if you had any information about Eugene LAMBERT, brother of REML.
He apparently brought Singer sewing machines to Asia.
He lived in Singapore too at the same time that REML was an insurance broker, and when Jean William Ernest LAMBERT was running the carriage company that their father Jean Rudolph LAMBERT (JRS) started.
Also, do you have anything linking the photographer Gustav Rishard LAMBERT to JRS?
Finally, do you have any photos or more information about Athea Tiga Oesman, who is the reason for me getting into this project in the first place. For me she is the most interesting element in all this.
Many thanks
Paul
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17 June 2015:
Dear Terri
We need to talk because I have quite a bit of information for you about our family, and some questions for you too!
Drop me a line please at
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My mother Molly (Barker) Sweeney visited Java in 1939 as a 19 year old with her mother Doris Eugenie (Lambert) Barker in order to see all the cousins in the Dutch East Indies. She has some fabulous photos. One photo she describes as showing "Uncle Bert [Modoo], Aunty Olga [(Lambert) Modoo], AND Aunty Vera and (child) David".
I am sure the "Vera" is you grand-mother Vera Sigrid (Roo van Raadshoven) Lambert.
I wonder if you father is David. If not maybe David is aunty Olga's son. I remember Aunty olga when i was a kid in Melbourne.
This is all really amazing. i'm loving it!
Hope to be in touch soon.
Cheers
Paul
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Hi folks,
I'm new to this web site.
My mother was Maria Johanna Modoo. Born 11 March, 1934 Purwokerto, Java. Died 22 October, 2015, Dimbula FNQ, Australia.
She was one of the younger daughters of Lambertus Martinus Lucus Modoo (Born 29-10-1894 Holland. Died 4-7-1968, Melbourne, Australia) and Olga Patricia Mascot (nee Lambert) Modoo.
"Musha" as she was affectionately known as by her grandchildren was born in Singapore: 10 December, 1896. She died on Feburary 6th, 1982 in Melbourne, Australia. Her and Opa were married in Surabaya, Indonesia, on 14 February 1920.
After the war, the family briefly went to London ,England as their eldest son Lambertus (Bert) Modoo married Joan Walton. That was how my Mum (Maria, affectionately known as Marika) met my Dad Henry Edward Sinclair. They emigrated to New Zealand. The Modoo clan to Melbourn,e Australia. I have traced the Modoo line back to 1731 in Holland. I haven't woked out how Musha (Olga Mascot Lambert) fits into this tree. But a previous commentor talks about visiting Aunty Olga in Melbourne.
Cheers,
Penny
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Hello Penny,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
The Terri and the other members will be sent a notification of your new reply.
Regards
Sarah :)
Edit I am very sorry but the reply has bounced back to us, it looks like Terri may have changed email address but sadly I was unable to find a new one for her. :'( Last logged in New Years eve 2014
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Hi Penny Sinclair
I have inserted some comments into yours, and added my own, as follows:
I'm new to this web site.
My mother was Maria Johanna Modoo. Born 11 March, 1934 Purwokerto, Java. Died 22 October, 2015, Dimbula FNQ, Australia.
PS: Dimbulah, Queensland.
She was one of the younger daughters of Lambertus Martinus Lucus Modoo (Born 29-10-1894 Holland. Died 4-7-1968, Melbourne, Australia) and Olga Patricia Mascot (nee Lambert) Modoo.
PS: They married on 14 Feb 1920 at The Church of the Birth of Our Lady, Surabaya, East Java.
Lambertus Martinus Lucas – b. Haarlem, Netherland – as per Church Register Book Surabaya BMV - 1919 - No. 6224.
Olga Patricia Mascoth
"Musha" as she was affectionately known as by her grandchildren was born in Singapore: 10 December, 1896. She died on Feburary 6th, 1982 in Melbourne, Australia. Her and Opa were married in Surabaya, Indonesia, on 14 February 1920.
After the war, the family briefly went to London ,England as their eldest son Lambertus (Bert) Modoo married Joan Walton. That was how my Mum (Maria, affectionately known as Marika) met my Dad Henry Edward Sinclair.
PS: Was his nickname “Larrie”?
They emigrated to New Zealand. The Modoo clan to Melbourn,e Australia. I have traced the Modoo line back to 1731 in Holland. I haven't woked out how Musha (Olga Mascot Lambert) fits into this tree. But a previous commentor talks about visiting Aunty Olga in Melbourne.
PS: I knew Aunty Olga when I was a child. Olga was my grandaunt (or more commonly termed great aunt) – the eldest sister of my grandmother, Doris Eugenie (Lambert) Barker. [Doris' eldest child was my mother Marie Therese (Barker) Sweeney.] Their parents were:
Rudolph Edward Matthew Lambert (b. Singapore on 10 Feb 1873 – d. 3 Dec 1932 in Malang, but buried Surabaya on 4 Dec 1932) and
Sylvia Eugenie “Goldie” (Potter) Lambert (b. Melbourne, Victoria, Australia on 5 Nov 1874 – d. Surabaya, East Java on 26 May 1927. Goldie was of Irish heritage.
Both are buried in Kembang Kuning cemetery (general section – i.e. pre-War).
The parents of Rudolph Edward Matthew Lambert were:
Jean Rudolph Lambert
(b. Berlin on 12 Feb 1836 – d. Singapore on 30 Sep 1884. He was baptised on 6 Mar 1836 in the French Church of Friedrichstadt" (French: Temple de la Friedrichstadt, German: Französische Friedrichstadtkirche) located in Berlin on the Gendarmenmarkt. The Lambert family were originally French Huguenots and their ancestors fled France for Germany in the early 1700s, about 4 generations before the birth of Jean Rudolph Lambert.
Upon his death, the Straits Times Weekly Issue (2 October 1884, p. 1) commented:
"Singapore is indebted to the Lambert brothers ... for great improvements in carriage building, both in construction and in the excellence of material", and that Lambert "will be long remembered as a fine example of a steady, industrious, and successful colonist, and a genial and public spirited citizen".
And
Athia Tiga (Oesman) Lambert (b. circa 1841 – d. 18 Apr 1930 “at her residence, 8 Orchard Road, Singapore”.
The Straits Times, 21 April 1930, Page 4 notices record as follows:
"DEATH LAMBERT- At her residence. 8, Orchard Road, Singapore, on Good Friday, April 18, 1930, Athea, widow of the late Mr. Jean Rudolph Lambert, of Singapore, aged 89. Deeply regretted".
Athia Tiga Oesman is the main objective of my research. I assume she was Malay but I cannot prove it. I would love to have any further information about her.
Many thanks
Paul Sweeney
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Hi all
Are you still reviewing this thread / conversation?
Penny do you have any feedback on what I last sent you?
Also does anyone have any information about finding out the nationality & ethnicity of Athia Tiga (c.1841 - 18 Apr 1930 Singalore), who married Jean Rudolph Lambert in Singapore c.1863?
Thanks
Paul
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Hi Paul, I haven't been on this website for quite a long time...years in fact. So my apologies for the late reply.
In answer to your questions:
Yes Dad's nickname was "Larry" and is recorded on his headstone as Henry Edward (Larry) Sinclair.
I can't tell you if Athia Tiga Oesman was Malay but what I can tell you is this: I had my DNA test done a couple of years ago and through Mum's side of the family (Modoo/Lambert) it came up with 4% Asian. This broken down became 2% Philippines, 1% Southeast Asia-Vietnam & 1% Southeast Asia-Dai (Tai). I'm assuming this is through Musha's (Olga's) side of the family and not Opa's (Lambertus Modoo) as he was Dutch and came from Haarlem..
Cheers, Penny
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Hi Penny
Thanks for the reply. Great to hear from you. Yes, some of my siblings and I did the DNA test and got roughly the same percentage of Asian ethnicity. It indeed comes from your Musha’s (Olga’s) paternal grandmother, namely Athia Tiga (possibly Oesman). Remember, Olga’s younger sister - Doris Eugenie (Lambert) Barker is my grandmother (through my mother Marie Thérèse (Barker) Sweeney.
My result for that part of the ethnicity was:
Chinese & Vietnamese 4.2%
(But also Mesoamerican & Andean 1.2%).
One of my siblings had:
Central Asian 2.9%
Chinese & Vietnamese 2.0%
Another sibling had:
Filipino, Indonesian & Malay 3.2%
Central Asian 2.9%
South Asian 1.0%.
All the above were with MyHeritage.
What company did you use?
(I will try Ancestry as well).
Do you have a family tree on MyHeritage?
Kind regards
Paul