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Title: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: taonga1 on Saturday 09 April 11 04:56 BST (UK)
I received a marriage printout this morning (super-speedy DIA!) which confirmed I need to look at a different Wakefield branch of the family.

I'd be interested to hear from anybody with information on any WAKEFIELD or HOSE or BIDLAKE families in Palmerston North, Levin, Foxton, Wanganui or Hawera.

I know the family I want came from Nelson originally and were living in Foxton in the late 1890s:

William and Amelia (nee Schwass) WAKEFIELD
- son George William WAKEFIELD, m. Amelia Annie GREEN in Hawera, 1910
- daughter Clara Mary WAKEFIELD, m. Walter James BIDLAKE in Wanganui, 1909
- daughter Edith/Ida Rebecca WAKEFIELD, m. Frederick William HOSE

Can any Manawatu researchers point me in the direction of helpful local resources?  I'm not sure where to start.

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: johnbarr on Saturday 09 April 11 05:30 BST (UK)
Hi taonga,
Looks like George William d. 1967 age 82,  and Amelia Annie (Millie) d. 1971 age 84 are both buried at papakura Cemetery

John B
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: johnbarr on Saturday 09 April 11 05:34 BST (UK)
Walter James Bidlake d. 1951 age 71 and Clara Bidlake d. 1959 age 72 and both buried Howick Public Cemetery.

John B
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: johnbarr on Saturday 09 April 11 05:38 BST (UK)
Frederick William Hose d. 1958 age 74, and Edith Rebecca Hose d. 1962 age 74 and both buried at Rotorua
http://cem.rdc.govt.nz/cemeterysearch/default.html

John B
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: taonga1 on Saturday 09 April 11 05:41 BST (UK)
Thanks John - I knew where George and Millie are - have even stood there  :-)

I hadn't found the Bidlakes or the Hoses yet - thanks muchly!     There have been two George William Wakefields muddled, who I think are actually cousins.  Maybe there are some Bidlake or Hose researchers out there who will know more than our Wakefield researchers have found out so far.

DIA are making a wee fortune out of me.

Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: johnbarr on Saturday 09 April 11 05:54 BST (UK)
Another George William married Elizabeth Jane Black 1915.
He d. 1981 age 88 and she d.1975 age 78 and both at Timaru Salisbury Park according to Burial Locator, but does not appear on Council site at
http://www.timaru.govt.nz/cemeteries.html

added:
apparently salisbury Park is Crematorium only.

John B
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: taonga1 on Saturday 09 April 11 06:29 BST (UK)
I haven't found any links between that Wakefield family and this one - althought nothing would surprise me!

Do you have any William Wakefields listed in your burial records?  At a guess, he would have been born about 1858, and he was still alive in 1898 when Amelia died.  She's buried at Foxton, but I have no idea what happened to him after that. 
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: johnbarr on Saturday 09 April 11 06:58 BST (UK)
Only likely one I can see is a William Wakefield, d. 1928 age 76 (i.e. bc 1852) buried Te Kuiti.
You could ask for more details from Council site at
http://www.waitomo.govt.nz/community-services-facilites/public-amenities/cemeteries/

John B
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: taonga1 on Saturday 09 April 11 09:45 BST (UK)
Thanks so much for your work John - very helpful!

I've been through all the William Wakefields on BDM who have died since 1898, and there are only three that could fit, including the one you've mentioned:

1922/3168 William Wakefield, 70 y (b. 1852)
1928/1325 William Wakefield, 76 y (b. 1852) (the one buried at Te Kuiti)
1929/3541 William Warren Wakefield, 72 y (b. 1857)

I can't link any of these three back to birth records, either under Wakefield, or under Lankow, the suspected mother's maiden name.  Any idea where the other two ended up?
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: johnbarr on Sunday 10 April 11 01:58 BST (UK)
Sorry, the other two do not show on locator.
However, there is a Probate filed at Christchurch for
WAKEFIELD William Warren
Place Christchurch
Occupation Dealer
Court Christchurch
Archives Reference CAHX CH 171 14991
Probate Number 14991
Filed Date 30 May 1929

Not sure if any of these records are available after the 'quake.
John B
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: johnbarr on Sunday 10 April 11 02:19 BST (UK)
Have you seen this mention of a William Wakefield from Nelson at Feilding - which seems to tie in with some of your other details.  ???
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cny/

John B
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: taonga1 on Sunday 10 April 11 09:48 BST (UK)
Hehehe - I got caught out by that one last week!

It's the downside of researching a name where the surname = a place name, especially in the location where the family lived.

It actually says William (Wakefield, Nelson)  - as opposed to William Wakefield. 

I'll have to have a closer look at that William Warren.  I found an 1879 marriage for him to Mary Jane Atkins - if he were my William, he'd be 21, so he could conceivably have married, then remarried in 1885, but I'm doubting he's the one. 

I am seeing a pattern of first-born children being born before the wedding and not registered under either parent's name. 
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: DelBoy on Sunday 10 April 11 12:18 BST (UK)
There are several school inspector records for  a 'Frederick Hose' Levin, 1895-1898 Wellington, are these of any help to you? Also a ' Fred Hose' school record 1893, parent James Hose  address levin, would you like this full record?

Del
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: DelBoy on Sunday 10 April 11 12:25 BST (UK)
Hi taonga,
Looks like George William d. 1967 age 82,  and Amelia Annie (Millie) d. 1971 age 84 are both buried at papakura Cemetery


Amelia Annie shows on the 1949 Franklin Electoral Roll at Drury  as does George William, his occupation labourer.

This ties in nicely with the burials above as Papakura & Drury  are esentially side by side.
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: DelBoy on Sunday 10 April 11 13:00 BST (UK)
Thanks so much for your work John - very helpful!

I've been through all the William Wakefields on BDM who have died since 1898, and there are only three that could fit, including the one you've mentioned:

1922/3168 William Wakefield, 70 y (b. 1852)
1928/1325 William Wakefield, 76 y (b. 1852) (the one buried at Te Kuiti)
1929/3541 William Warren Wakefield, 72 y (b. 1857)

I can't link any of these three back to birth records, either under Wakefield, or under Lankow, the suspected mother's maiden name.  Any idea where the other two ended up?

How does the Lankow fit in ?
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: taonga1 on Sunday 10 April 11 13:03 BST (UK)
Thanks Del - the Frederick Hose information would be very useful.

I've got pretty much all the basic info I need on George and Amelia/Millie.  Of course, personal stories and photos would be nice!  Other than that, I know all the where, when and who for that family.

It's his parents and grandparents that I'm trying to demystify now.  Can't believe I didn't pick up on the lineage problem several years ago.

Just goes to show - don't assume anything, and check, recheck, double-check and get three sources for every fact!
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: taonga1 on Sunday 10 April 11 13:08 BST (UK)
Try Lankow without the second L - there are likely to be a lot.  They were a rather prolific German settler family in Nelson.   It would be Christina Lankow, who later married William Wakefield snr. 

I'm just guessing that, if William Wakefield jnr is her son, he would have possibly been born before she married and been registered under her maiden name, since I can't see a birth for him under Wakefield.  I think they were fairly relaxed about birth registrations anyhow.

I got caught out when researching another of her daughters, and a grandson was born with his mother's maiden name, then changed to his father's surname at some stage. 
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: DelBoy on Monday 11 April 11 00:32 BST (UK)
Thanks Del - the Frederick Hose information would be very useful.

I've got pretty much all the basic info I need on George and Amelia/Millie.  Of course, personal stories and photos would be nice!  Other than that, I know all the where, when and who for that family.

It's his parents and grandparents that I'm trying to demystify now.  Can't believe I didn't pick up on the lineage problem several years ago.

Just goes to show - don't assume anything, and check, recheck, double-check and get three sources for every fact!

Hi, have p.m the records :)
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: DelBoy on Monday 11 April 11 00:53 BST (UK)
Try Lankow without the second L - there are likely to be a lot.  They were a rather prolific German settler family in Nelson.   It would be Christina Lankow, who later married William Wakefield snr. 

I'm just guessing that, if William Wakefield jnr is her son, he would have possibly been born before she married and been registered under her maiden name, since I can't see a birth for him under Wakefield.  I think they were fairly relaxed about birth registrations anyhow.

I got caught out when researching another of her daughters, and a grandson was born with his mother's maiden name, then changed to his father's surname at some stage. 

Hi,

Yes quite a few 'Lankow' in the South Island.

Christina only shows once which is her marriage to Wakefield. rather intersting is 'George William Christia Lankow' marriage 1891. I only say interesting as it is the same naming pattern as the Wakefield child.

There is a marriage for a Christina Wakefield, 1877 to a Joseph BUSCH, did she remarry after death of Wakefield?

I would need further names to produce anything def' for you.

Del
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: DelBoy on Monday 11 April 11 01:05 BST (UK)
I can see how the bdm are making good money from you, there are 2 unnamed males and one female Lankow, born with no parents listed, and the years would fit before the marriage to Wakefield.
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: DelBoy on Monday 11 April 11 02:11 BST (UK)
NZ Elec Rolls

Edith & Frederick William Hose


1911- Bay of Plenty, Waimarino
Edith, Ohakune, Married
Frederick, Ohakune, sawmill hand
Frederick William, Raetihi, Mill hand

1914- Manawatu-Wanganui, Taumarunui
Edith, Tangitu, Married
Frederick William, Tangitu, Farmer

1919- Waikato, Waitomo
Edith, Tangitu, Married
Frederick William, Tangitu, farmer

1928- Waikato, Waitomo
Edith, Tangitu, Married
Frederick william, Tangitu, farmer

1935- Bay Of Plenty, Rotorua
Edith, Te Whaiti, Married
Frederick William, Te Whaiti, Mill hand

1938- Bay of PLenty, Rotorua
Edith, Taupo, Married
Frederick William, Taupo, Millhand

1946- Bay of PLenty, Bay of PLenty
Edith, Ngongotaha, Married
Frederick William, Ngongotaha, Millhand

1949- Bay of PLenty, Bay of Plenty
Edith, Ngongotaha, Married
Frederick William, Ngongotaha, Millhand

1954- Bay of PLenty-Rotorua
Edith, 9 Grey Street, Rotorua, Married
Frederick William, 9 Grey Street, Rotorua, Millhand

1957- Rotorua, Bay of PLenty
Edith, 16 Seddon St, Rotorua, Married
Frederick William, 16 Seddon St, Rotorua, Retired

Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: DelBoy on Monday 11 April 11 02:37 BST (UK)
NZ Elec Rolls

Walter James & Clara Mary Bidlake


1911-1914-1919- Manawatu/Wanganui, Wanganui
Clara, Fitzherbert Ave, Married
Walter James. Fitzherbert Ave, Storeman

1928- Waikato, Waikato
Clara, Waiterimu, Married
Walter James, Waiterimu, farmer

1935 & 1938- Bay of PLenty, Rotorua
Clara, Reporoa, married
walter James, Reporoa, Farmer

1946- Auckland, Otahuhu
walter James, 2nd View Ave Beachlands, no occ

1949- Auckland, Otahuhu
Clara Mary, Beachlands, Married
Walter James 2nd View Ave Beachlands, retired

1954- Manukau, Auckland
Clara Mary, Beachlands, widow

1957- Auckland, Franklin
Clara Mary, 2nd View Ave, Beachlands, widow
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: DelBoy on Monday 11 April 11 03:13 BST (UK)
Random William Wakefields that may fit profile

NZ Elec Rolls

5 ENTRIES 1870-1871-
Riverton, Southland also William Wakefield, Aparima, Southland

( Do you want these individual records? I do note a man with the same name listed in southland after the dates ive found below)


1880-1881, Wellington, Wairapapa South
William, Residential, Carterton, Labourer


1890- Manawautu- Wanganui, palmerston
William, Residential, Foxton, Labouer


1896 Manawatu-Wanganui, Manawatu

William, Foxton, Labourer, residential
also
Thomas Henry, Foxton, Contractor, residential


1900- Manawatu-wanganui, Manawatu

William, Foxton, Labourer, residential
also
Thomas Henry, Foxton, Contractor, residential


Just glancing at rolls, Thomas Henry appears to ends up in Auckland, if he is conected i can follow through for you with the rolls.
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: taonga1 on Monday 11 April 11 05:50 BST (UK)
You have been busy! 

As far as I'm aware, the Southland William Wakefield is a different person.

The 1890, 1896, 1900 ones sound like my man.  Interesting - if he does come from the family I think he does, he has a brother I haven't confirmed yet named Thomas Henry. 

The 1880-81 Carterton one could well be him.  If he was migrating from Nelson to Foxton, he may well have stopped on the way. 
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: kiwilisa on Sunday 17 April 11 01:17 BST (UK)
Thanks John - I knew where George and Millie are - have even stood there  :-)

I hadn't found the Bidlakes or the Hoses yet - thanks muchly!     There have been two George William Wakefields muddled, who I think are actually cousins.  Maybe there are some Bidlake or Hose researchers out there who will know more than our Wakefield researchers have found out so far.

DIA are making a wee fortune out of me.


Hi there

HOSE researcher here :)

Edith and Frederick are my great-grandparents. 

Re the Wakefields, I was told that we were related to the NZ Company Wakefields but I've not found anything to support that, so far. 

Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: taonga1 on Sunday 17 April 11 02:28 BST (UK)
Oh, how wonderful!  You must be something like an umpteenth cousin umpteen times removed  :-)

The other Wakefield researcher I've worked with is descended from William and Christina's daughter Eliza Amelia who married James Coutts Dallas.  She's just sent me some interesting information that you'll find in the thread headed 'Charles LECHNER.' 

Every branch of the family I've worked with so far has a family legend that we're connected to Edward Gibbon Wakefield's line.  No sign of any proof though. 

It's looking more and more likely that we don't have Wakefield blood at all.

Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: kiwilisa on Monday 18 April 11 08:25 BST (UK)
Helloooooo umpteenth cousin!

Yes, that's the legend we grew up with too and I did start digging into that at some point last year with no luck, yet!  Having spent some time looking into legends associated with other branches of the family, I've found that sometimes there is a truth in there somewhere.  Can only keep digging!  A winter project I feel...



Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: taonga1 on Monday 18 April 11 20:57 BST (UK)
When I got the marriage printout for Amelia's William, he called his step-father 'John Henry Wakefield' rather than William John or John William.  Any idea about that? 

I wish the authorities of the time had done their job and gotten the death certificate filled in properly!
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: kiwilisa on Monday 18 April 11 22:22 BST (UK)
Haven't heard that one before.  Another twist to the story...

I keep going back to the Edward Gibbon lot as I recall reading somewhere that there was a bit of a scandal involving him and/or his brothers with regards to an elopement when they were still in the UK....
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: johnbarr on Tuesday 19 April 11 06:41 BST (UK)
Some details of the scandal here:
http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/1966/wakefield-edward-gibbon/1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Gibbon_Wakefield

John B
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: taonga1 on Tuesday 19 April 11 14:11 BST (UK)
Yes, I've read a lot about that scandal - it would have been too early to have produced our William Wakefield, and I believe several accounts state that the girl was returned 'unblemished'!

I've explored another possiblity - Felix Wakefield went to Australia with his wife, Marie Felice Baillie (the servant girl who he impregnated, then married and had a bunch of children with).  He abandoned her and took almost all the children with him back to England - I think he left her with the youngest. 

Nobody knows what happened to her after that, but I've spoken to someone who had older family members descended from children who may have been hers but maybe not his?  They were referring to a couple of his other brothers as 'uncles.'  There were a couple of names - I must find that correspondence to refresh my memory.  Might have been a Richard Wakefield and one other that none of the official sources recognise as Felix and Marie's children. 


Or it could just be legend!  I've got the Gibbon Wakefield family tree going back for ages, and we're certainly not anything official on there.

Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: johnbarr on Tuesday 19 April 11 21:44 BST (UK)
Felix Wakefield arrived in Lyttleton in Nov. 1851 on board "Sir George Pollock", to set up the 'Canterbury Association'.
 
Another passenger on same voyage was my 7 yr old Gt grandmother with her parents and siblings. ;D

John B
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: kiwilisa on Wednesday 20 April 11 00:22 BST (UK)
How funny is that?  I spent some time yesterday re-reading up on all that.  The possibilities are endless really since the 'boys' seem to have all been quite naughty lol 

Felix, Daniel and Arthur were in the Nelson area a bit and William Haywood around Foxton...
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: taonga1 on Wednesday 20 April 11 08:37 BST (UK)
Agreed - there is scope for a link there somewhere.  I did find, I think in the Chch library indexes, that there were 'Wakefield' children being brought down from the local Maori pa to be christened.  There's also a letter from one Wakefield complaining about a brother drinking too much and frolicking with 'Maori maidens.'

I suspect if there is a link, it would be a generation or so further back.  William John/John William/John Henry Wakefield was born approx. 1834.  Got to look for those maybe illegitimate links in other countries.
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: kiwilisa on Thursday 21 April 11 22:27 BST (UK)
The older sister Catherine seemed to be the 'surrogate mother' for a few of her nephews and nieces, perhaps an illegit or three could've been included?  I also found a site with parts of a diary written by Priscilla Wakefield, who was Edward Gibbon and co's grandmother.

Gotta explore every angle...
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: taonga1 on Sunday 24 April 11 02:04 BST (UK)
It would be amazing to find those links, but I guess, now that it looks certain that 'our' William Wakefield who married Amelia Schwass was a step-son to Willliam John Wakefield, the Wakefields aren't our genetic line, whichever branch they came from.

Its rather exciting and frustrating at the same time to be starting over with a different family to research.  Here's hoping THIS ancestor isn't quite as elusive as the Wakefield one has been!
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: kiwilisa on Sunday 01 May 11 20:52 BST (UK)
What a shame.  At least we know...

Fingers crossed, hey?  Let me know if and how I can help.  Would be even better if I could get my hands on the papers my mother has...
Title: Re: BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: taonga1 on Sunday 01 May 11 21:44 BST (UK)
That's actually not a bad idea - we should probably map out all the living descendents we know of and ask who might have information and/or photos.  The answers are very likely sitting in boxes in someone's cupboard someplace!

I can work out who all the living Wakefields are - there aren't many.
You've got the best access to Hose information.
Wonder if we can find anyone on the Bidlake side who is interested?
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: 3foot3 on Saturday 12 August 17 01:57 BST (UK)
Hi there,

I'm a Bidlake lol
grand father - arthur clive
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I'd be keen to find out some more lol



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Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: taonga1 on Saturday 12 August 17 07:24 BST (UK)
Hi Sonya  :-)   I don't have a lot specifically about the Bidlakes, although, of course, if you are descended from the same Bidlake in this tree, then you'll share the Wakefield ancestor too. 

I have:

Clara Mary Wakefield, born 1885
married Walter James Bidlake in 1909

Their son Cyril Walter Leonard Bidlake, born 1910

They possibly had other children - I know I have more raw data on them someplace, but this is what's made it to my tree
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: taonga1 on Saturday 12 August 17 07:59 BST (UK)
I've picked up your line, although I can't see a link yet - it's maybe possible that there's a link further back - I would suspect that your Sidney Herbert and our Walter James are probably brothers.  Sidney born approx 1879, Walter b. 1880, and I think they were both in Wanganui.

Sidney Herbert Bidlake (carpenter, Wanganui)
m. Ettie O'Neale in 1911

Children:
- Arthur Clive 1912
- Leslie Herbert 1914
- Hazel Bernice 1915
- Roy Neale 1917
(Possibly others later on)

Also found a piece on Sidney in a 1918 newspaper:  https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WC19180206.2.21?query=military%20service%20board
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 12 August 17 09:06 BST (UK)
I cannot see a Sidney Bidlake born in NZ.

However, there are Bidlake arriving on the barque Ironsides in 1879: James, Mary Ann, Leonard and Sydney.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/THA18790819.2.6?query=Bidlake

Then later that year J Bidlake opens a watch and clockmaker business, in Newmarket:

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18791202.2.2.7?query=Bidlake

Deaths of James and Leonard:

1883/4832 Bidlake James 34
1884/2153 Bidlake Leonard 6
Death notice for Leonard: https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18840816.2.60?query=Bidlake

1954/34991 Bidlake Ettie 70
1960/38673 Bidlake Sidney Herbert 81

The connection? Marriage notice for Bidlake/ Wakefield: https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19340918.2.2.4?query=Bidlake

Jamjar
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: taonga1 on Saturday 12 August 17 09:19 BST (UK)
Well done!  I was just trawling through immigration records, having not found a birth for Sidney in NZ.

That means Sidney and our Walter James are brothers.  Walter was born to James and Mary Ann in Newmarket. 

When James died, Mary Ann (nee Griffin, in one source) married William Charles Strong in 1885. 

I have a birth for Sydney Herbert Bidlake, 1879, Epsom, Surrey England
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 12 August 17 09:25 BST (UK)
Marriage for the mother: 1885/1052 Mary Ann Bidlake   William Charles Strong

Jamjar
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 12 August 17 09:29 BST (UK)
BIDLAKE, LEONARD  FRANK  mmn GRIFFIN
GRO Reference: 1877  S Quarter in EPSOM  Volume 02A  Page 20

BIDLAKE, SYDNEY  HERBERT mmn GRIFFIN
GRO Reference: 1879  M Quarter in EPSOM  Volume 02A  Page 16

Jamjar
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 12 August 17 09:33 BST (UK)
Marriage:

September quarter 1876

BIDLAKE James to GRIFFIN Mary Ann Bromley 2a 576

Jamjar

Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 12 August 17 09:39 BST (UK)
Looks to be James on the 1871 census: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRNZ-BCZ

Jamjar
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: taonga1 on Saturday 12 August 17 09:43 BST (UK)
Thank you  :-)   Sonya will be impressed when she looks again!  Getting all this info and sourcing written up into the tree as fast as I can keep up  :-)

I should show you some of my brick walls!

Min  :-)
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 12 August 17 09:47 BST (UK)
Possible birth for James:

BIDLAKE, JAMES mmn STACEY 
GRO Reference: 1849  S Quarter in MAIDSTONE  Volume 05  Page 323

Jamjar
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 12 August 17 09:50 BST (UK)
Sister:

BIDLAKE, EMILY mmn STACEY
GRO Reference: 1850  D Quarter in MAIDSTONE  Volume 05  Page 352

The twin brothers:

BIDLAKE, THOMAS mmn STACEY
GRO Reference: 1855  S Quarter in MAIDSTONE  Volume 02A  Page 394

BIDLAKE, WILLIAM mmn STACEY
GRO Reference: 1855  S Quarter in MAIDSTONE  Volume 02A  Page 393

Jamjar
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 12 August 17 09:56 BST (UK)
Marriage:

Mar quarter 1848 Maidstone 5 367   

James Thompson BIDLAKE  to Mary Ann STACEY

Jamjar


Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 12 August 17 09:59 BST (UK)
The 1861 census has mother as Mary Ann, not Margaret:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7CM-H25

The 1851 census:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGLG-1JP

Jamjar
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 12 August 17 10:33 BST (UK)
Possible death of Mary Ann Strong:

1931/7059 Strong Mary Ann 79

Walter James and Clara burial:

BIDLAKE, Walter James
Howick Cemetery, Cnr Paparoa Road & Litten Road, Howick
Lot: HOWB3-SEC 3-051
Date Buried: Monday, December 03, 1951

BIDDAKE, Clara Mary (Misspelt surname)
Howick Cemetery, Cnr Paparoa Road & Litten Road, Howick
Lot: HOWB3-SEC 3-051
Date Buried: Friday, June 12, 1959


Sydney and wife burial, Aramoho Cemetery, Wanganui:

BIDLAKE, Sidney Herbert 81      
Warrant: 2529   
Residence: 357 Victoria Ave
Occupation: Carpenter   
Date of Burial: 7-6-1960
Officiating Minister: Rev Keith
Funeral: Co-ordinator   Dempsey & Sons
Location: Plot 85 Public Lawn/A/2

BIDLAKE, Ettie 70      
Warrant: 1021   
Residence: 16 Fitzherbert Ave
Occupation: Widow   
Date of Burial: 27-11-1954
Funeral Co-ordinator: Dempsey & Sons   
Location: Plot 86 Public Lawn/A/2

Jamjar
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 12 August 17 11:37 BST (UK)
Deaths:

1897/30392 Bidlake Arthur Clive born 21 September 1912

1945/10840 Roy Neil 27
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 12 August 17 11:46 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat, Sonya.

Please note that we are not allowed to refer to anyone, by name, who may still be living, on this site.

Another son of Sidney, not previously mentioned.

Engagement: https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19431227.2.57?query=%22bidlake%22

Jamjar
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: taonga1 on Sunday 13 August 17 00:36 BST (UK)
On Family Search, I've linked up my family tree to some existing bits of the Bidlake tree, and I've begun to add sources/extra information where it's lacking.  There were a few full branches already there from other genealogists. 
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: spades on Sunday 13 August 17 01:29 BST (UK)
Hi 3foot3, and welcome to RootsChat :)  :D

As mentioned by Jamjar above, we avoid identifying living or possibly living persons to protect their personal privacy.

To get around this, we instead use the Personal Message (PM) system to exchange emails and personal information. This is activated once a member makes three posts so feel free to reply twice more to this topic. Just a couple of smiley's will be fine.

Then you can make private contact with other researchers.

Spades

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Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 13 August 17 03:25 BST (UK)
Burial of Maurice Edward Bidlake, fourth son of Sidney:

Whanganui Cemetery

BIDLAKE, Maurice Edward 80 3-11-2000
Warrant:6297   
Date of Birth: 30-6-1920
Residence: 57 Treadwell Street   
Occupation: Rtd Builder
Date of Burial: 7-11-2000   
Officiating Minister: Gordon Munro
Funeral Co-ordinator: Dempsey & Forrest   
Location: Plot 15 Public Lawn Extension/V/H

Jamjar
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: minniehaha on Sunday 13 August 17 05:05 BST (UK)
Deaths:

1897/30392 Bidlake Arthur Clive born 21 September 1912

1945/10840 Roy Neil 27

Just a wee correction to the above......


Registration Number   Family Name   Given Name(s)   Date of Birth/
   
1987/30392   Bidlake   Arthur Clive   21 September 1912


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 13 August 17 07:51 BST (UK)
Thank you for the correction.

At Hamilton Park Cemetery:

Arthur Clive BIDLAKE   74   
Death: 6-2-1987
Buried: 10-2-1987
Type: Burial Funeral
Director: Pellows Funeral Services
Location: Hamilton Park Cemetery
MAPLE-22-34

There are two other BIDLAKE at the cemetery:

Anne BIDLAKE 67
Death: 23-9-2013
Born: 1-3-1946   
Cremated:   27-9-2013
Type: Cremation   
Funeral Director: Broadway Funeral Home
Last Address: 3556 State Highway 29, Matamata   
Location: Hamilton Park Cemetery

Robert James BIDLAKE 71
Death: 18/08/2013
Born: Cremated: 21-8-2013
Type: Cremation   
Funeral Director: Broadway Funeral Home
Last Address: 3556 State Highway 29 R D 3, Matamata   
Location: Hamilton Park Cemetery

Jamjar




Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 13 August 17 11:23 BST (UK)
Ettie's - wife of Sidney - large family.

Marriage of parents:

1873/10405 Louisa Francis  Anthony Edward O Neale

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP18730408.2.4?query=%20o'neale

Second marraige of father: 1919/2500 Frances Emily Rayner Anthony Edward O'Neale

* An online tree has Louisa's birth as 1853/4224 FRANCIS Louisa parents Frances and John


Births and deaths:

1874/26194 Mary Louisa - possible death 1963/41751 Anderson Mary Louisa 89

1875/8163 Frederick Anthony - death 1953 25896 O'Neale Frederick Anthony 79
Wellington Crematorium
Last name: O'NEALE
First name: FREDERICK ANTHONY
Age: 79 Years
Deceased date: 7-4-1953
Service provided: Cremation
Cremation date: 9-4-1953
Cemetery: Crematorium
Record number: 12313

1876/12777 Mabel - death 1941/24953 O'Neale Mabel 64
Will and Probate: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BC-ZS3C-B?i=511&cc=1865481
Whanganui Cemetery
O'NEALE, Mabel   64      
Warrant: 6801
Residence: 52 Kawatiri Av
Occupation: Spinster   
Date of Burial: 2-7-1941
Officiating Minister: Rev Venimore   
Funeral Co-ordinator: Symes Fleming & Dick

1878/4402 Ernest Edward - death 1959/21499 O'Neale Ernest Edward 80
Will and Probate: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89W3-Y2DR?i=766&cc=1865481
Featherston Cemetery
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Ernest-Edward-ONeale/22968575

1880/1318 Ethel - death 1960/24438 O'Neale Ethel 80

1881/7294 Harold Richard - death 1968 44733 O'Neale Harold Richard 87

1882/15092 Hilda Frances - death 1958/29343 Hodder Hilda Francis 75Y

1884/4745 Ettie - death 1954/34991 Bidlake Ettie 70

1886/15647 Lottie Kathleen - death death 1972/31565 Silverwood Lottie Kathleen 7 November 1886
Wellington crematorium
Last name: SILVERWOOD
First name: LOTTEI (sic) KATHLEEN
Age: 85 Years
Deceased date: 11-3-1972
Service provided: Cremation
Cremation date: 14-3-1972
Cemetery: Crematorium
Record number: 35004

1895/6343 Raymond Carrol - death 1950/27775 death O'Neale Raymond Carrol 55
Greytown Cemetery
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=96738845


Death of Ettie's parents:

1906/6735 O'Neale Louise 53

1919/7843 O'Neale Anthony Edward 74
Will and Probate: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L97S-ZWNP?i=596&cc=1865481
Featherston Cemetery
Photos of headstones: https://billiongraves.com/grave/Louisa-ONeale/22889401

Death of second wife: 1952/21934 O'Neale Frances Emily 78

Marriages:

1895/1872 Mary Louisa O'Neale  Charles Anderson

1902/1265 Lilian Rebecca Philps  Ernest Edward O'Neale - death 1918/10691   O'Neale Lilian Rebecca 37
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Ernest-Edward-ONeale/22968575

1903/4128 Gertrude Mary Bowring  Frederick Anthony O'Neale - death 1957/35186 O'Neale Gertrude May 76
Wellington Crematorium
Last name: O'NEALE
First name: GERTRUDE MARY
Age: 76 Years
Deceased date: 7-10-1957
Service provided: Cremation
Cremation date: 9-10-1957
Cemetery: Crematorium
Record number:16670

1911/8807 Effie O'Neale  Sidney Herbert Bidlake

1913/6242 Lottie Kathleen O'Neale  Alfred Cyrus Silverwood - death 1958/33301 Silverwood Alfred Cyrus 71Y
Will and Probate: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSQK-2BPS?i=512&cc=1865481
Wellington Crematorium
Last name: SILVERWOOD
First name: ALFRED CYRUS
Age: 71 Years
Deceased date: 24-5-1958
Service provided: Cremation
Cremation date: 26-5-1958
Cemetery: Crematorium
Record number: 17290

1915/1714 Theresa Ann Hodder Harold Richard O'Neale - death 1944/20638 O'Neale Theresa Ann 51

1920/2643 Hilda Frances O'Neale Francis John Hodder - death 1952/21695 Hodder Francis John 71

1921/5967 Dorothy Bona Dyson  Raymond Carrol   O'Neale - death 1978/42707 O'Neale Dorothy Bona 20 March 1892


Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 14 August 17 08:33 BST (UK)
Probated will (1960) of Sidney Herbert Bidlake......

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99Q9-7Z3W?i=146&cc=1865481


There are nine children named.


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: minniehaha on Wednesday 16 August 17 08:09 BST (UK)
Some snippets further to reply #61 re the children named in the will.....

1912/8987   Bidlake   Arthur Clive   Ettie   Sidney Herbert
Death:
1987/30392   Bidlake   Arthur Clive   21 September 1912

1914/22332   Bidlake   Leslie Herbert   Ettie   Sidney Herbert
Death:
2004/24294   Bidlake   Leslie Herbert   23 June 1914

1915/25143   Bidlake   Hazel Bernice   Ettie   Sidney Herbert
Death:
1996/50042   Christensen   Hazel Bernice   17 October 1915

Death:
2015/32083   Edwards   Crissie Dora   25 December 1918

Death:
2000/23950   Bidlake   Maurice Edward   30 June 1920
Death:
1997/40837   Bidlake   Henry Malvern   13 February 1922
Death:
2010/15260   Bidlake   Gordon Frank   21 October 1923
Death:
2001/7982   Hulena   Joyce Louisa   3 May 1926
Death:
2014/4238   Chegwidden   Esther Loraine   24 July 1931

Gordon Frank Bidlake [death notice]:
Published in
Hawkes Bay Today
29 Jun 2010
   
Napier Mail
07 Jul 2010
   

Esther Louisa Chegwidden [death notice]:
Published in
Taranaki Daily News
15 Feb 2014
   
Wairarapa Times Age
15 Feb 2014
   
Wanganui Chronicle
15 Feb 2014
   
Hawkes Bay Today
15 Feb 2014
   
Manawatu Standard
15 Feb 2014
   
Wanganui Chronicle
18 Feb 2014
   
Minniehaha.
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: minniehaha on Wednesday 16 August 17 08:51 BST (UK)
A few more family details.......

http://www.whanganui.govt.nz/our-services/cemeteries-and-crematorium/Pages/Cemetery-Search.aspx?surname=bidlake&forename=mauriceRecord Detail
Item   Value
Record Number:   015316
Surname:   BIDLAKE*
First Names:   EDNA JOYCE
Age:   86
Date of Death:   16/05/2012
Date of Burial:   21/10/2012
Cemetery:   Riverside
Area:   Ex Servicemen
Row:   CREM
Plot:   94

Record Detail
Item   Value
Record Number:   013979
Surname:   BIDLAKE
First Names:   HENRY MALVERN
Age:   75
Date of Death:   9/06/1997
Date of Burial:   22/08/1997
Cemetery:   Riverside
Area:   Ex Servicemen
Row:   CREM
Plot:   94

*Wife of Henry?

http://www.whanganui.govt.nz/our-services/cemeteries-and-crematorium/Pages/Cemetery-Search.aspx?surname=chegwidden

CHEGWIDDEN, Esther Loraine   82   F   12/02/2014
Date of Birth   24/07/1931   Residence   26 Exeter Crescent Wanganui
Occupation   Home Executor   Martial Status   Married
Date of Medical Certificate   14/02/2014   Officiating Minister   Rev J Peill
Funeral Co-ordinator   Cleveland's   Place of Death   Broadview

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: 3foot3 on Sunday 14 November 21 06:55 GMT (UK)
Aramaho Cemetery

3 Papaiti Road
Aramoho, Whanganui 4584
New Zealand

BIDLAKE, Ettie, bur. 27/11/1954
BIDLAKE, Maurice Edward, b. 30/06/1920, d. 3/11/2000, bur. 7/11/2000
BIDLAKE, Sidney Herbert, bur. 07/06/1960
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: 3foot3 on Sunday 14 November 21 06:59 GMT (UK)
Hi there,

I met Esther. She was a lovely lady, strict Christian as I remember but she had a lovely smile and humor lol. I'm slowly making my way through the Bidlakes in Wanganui as I have moved down here

Soni
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: 3foot3 on Sunday 14 November 21 07:06 GMT (UK)
 :D :D :D
Hi 3foot3, and welcome to RootsChat :)  :D

As mentioned by Jamjar above, we avoid identifying living or possibly living persons to protect their personal privacy.

To get around this, we instead use the Personal Message (PM) system to exchange emails and personal information. This is activated once a member makes three posts so feel free to reply twice more to this topic. Just a couple of smiley's will be fine.

Then you can make private contact with other researchers.

Spades

p.s. If you have any questions at all about how to use RootsChat don't hesitate to ask on this topic. We're all here to help.
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: 3foot3 on Sunday 14 November 21 07:16 GMT (UK)
Hi Jamjar lol I'm trying to launch the PM  ::)


Hi 3foot3, and welcome to RootsChat :)  :D

As mentioned by Jamjar above, we avoid identifying living or possibly living persons to protect their personal privacy.

To get around this, we instead use the Personal Message (PM) system to exchange emails and personal information. This is activated once a member makes three posts so feel free to reply twice more to this topic. Just a couple of smiley's will be fine.

Then you can make private contact with other researchers.

Spades

p.s. If you have any questions at all about how to use RootsChat don't hesitate to ask on this topic. We're all here to help.
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: 3foot3 on Sunday 14 November 21 07:17 GMT (UK)
Hi Minniehaha,
I'm trying to launch the PM to use so fingers xed lol

A few more family details.......

http://www.whanganui.govt.nz/our-services/cemeteries-and-crematorium/Pages/Cemetery-Search.aspx?surname=bidlake&forename=mauriceRecord Detail
Item   Value
Record Number:   015316
Surname:   BIDLAKE*
First Names:   EDNA JOYCE
Age:   86
Date of Death:   16/05/2012
Date of Burial:   21/10/2012
Cemetery:   Riverside
Area:   Ex Servicemen
Row:   CREM
Plot:   94

Record Detail
Item   Value
Record Number:   013979
Surname:   BIDLAKE
First Names:   HENRY MALVERN
Age:   75
Date of Death:   9/06/1997
Date of Burial:   22/08/1997
Cemetery:   Riverside
Area:   Ex Servicemen
Row:   CREM
Plot:   94

*Wife of Henry?

http://www.whanganui.govt.nz/our-services/cemeteries-and-crematorium/Pages/Cemetery-Search.aspx?surname=chegwidden

CHEGWIDDEN, Esther Loraine   82   F   12/02/2014
Date of Birth   24/07/1931   Residence   26 Exeter Crescent Wanganui
Occupation   Home Executor   Martial Status   Married
Date of Medical Certificate   14/02/2014   Officiating Minister   Rev J Peill
Funeral Co-ordinator   Cleveland's   Place of Death   Broadview

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: 3foot3 on Sunday 14 November 21 07:17 GMT (UK)
 ;D Ok so this might work better to get the PM working
Title: Re: COMPLETED - BIDLAKE, HOSE and WAKEFIELD Manawatu/Wanganui families
Post by: 3foot3 on Sunday 14 November 21 07:18 GMT (UK)
 :D Hi Jamjar hopefully this gets the PM to work