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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: taonga1 on Saturday 09 April 11 04:56 BST (UK)
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I received a marriage printout this morning (super-speedy DIA!) which confirmed I need to look at a different Wakefield branch of the family.
I'd be interested to hear from anybody with information on any WAKEFIELD or HOSE or BIDLAKE families in Palmerston North, Levin, Foxton, Wanganui or Hawera.
I know the family I want came from Nelson originally and were living in Foxton in the late 1890s:
William and Amelia (nee Schwass) WAKEFIELD
- son George William WAKEFIELD, m. Amelia Annie GREEN in Hawera, 1910
- daughter Clara Mary WAKEFIELD, m. Walter James BIDLAKE in Wanganui, 1909
- daughter Edith/Ida Rebecca WAKEFIELD, m. Frederick William HOSE
Can any Manawatu researchers point me in the direction of helpful local resources? I'm not sure where to start.
Thanks in advance!
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Hi taonga,
Looks like George William d. 1967 age 82, and Amelia Annie (Millie) d. 1971 age 84 are both buried at papakura Cemetery
John B
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Walter James Bidlake d. 1951 age 71 and Clara Bidlake d. 1959 age 72 and both buried Howick Public Cemetery.
John B
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Frederick William Hose d. 1958 age 74, and Edith Rebecca Hose d. 1962 age 74 and both buried at Rotorua
http://cem.rdc.govt.nz/cemeterysearch/default.html
John B
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Thanks John - I knew where George and Millie are - have even stood there :-)
I hadn't found the Bidlakes or the Hoses yet - thanks muchly! There have been two George William Wakefields muddled, who I think are actually cousins. Maybe there are some Bidlake or Hose researchers out there who will know more than our Wakefield researchers have found out so far.
DIA are making a wee fortune out of me.
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Another George William married Elizabeth Jane Black 1915.
He d. 1981 age 88 and she d.1975 age 78 and both at Timaru Salisbury Park according to Burial Locator, but does not appear on Council site at
http://www.timaru.govt.nz/cemeteries.html
added:
apparently salisbury Park is Crematorium only.
John B
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I haven't found any links between that Wakefield family and this one - althought nothing would surprise me!
Do you have any William Wakefields listed in your burial records? At a guess, he would have been born about 1858, and he was still alive in 1898 when Amelia died. She's buried at Foxton, but I have no idea what happened to him after that.
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Only likely one I can see is a William Wakefield, d. 1928 age 76 (i.e. bc 1852) buried Te Kuiti.
You could ask for more details from Council site at
http://www.waitomo.govt.nz/community-services-facilites/public-amenities/cemeteries/
John B
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Thanks so much for your work John - very helpful!
I've been through all the William Wakefields on BDM who have died since 1898, and there are only three that could fit, including the one you've mentioned:
1922/3168 William Wakefield, 70 y (b. 1852)
1928/1325 William Wakefield, 76 y (b. 1852) (the one buried at Te Kuiti)
1929/3541 William Warren Wakefield, 72 y (b. 1857)
I can't link any of these three back to birth records, either under Wakefield, or under Lankow, the suspected mother's maiden name. Any idea where the other two ended up?
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Sorry, the other two do not show on locator.
However, there is a Probate filed at Christchurch for
WAKEFIELD William Warren
Place Christchurch
Occupation Dealer
Court Christchurch
Archives Reference CAHX CH 171 14991
Probate Number 14991
Filed Date 30 May 1929
Not sure if any of these records are available after the 'quake.
John B
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Have you seen this mention of a William Wakefield from Nelson at Feilding - which seems to tie in with some of your other details. ???
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cny/
John B
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Hehehe - I got caught out by that one last week!
It's the downside of researching a name where the surname = a place name, especially in the location where the family lived.
It actually says William (Wakefield, Nelson) - as opposed to William Wakefield.
I'll have to have a closer look at that William Warren. I found an 1879 marriage for him to Mary Jane Atkins - if he were my William, he'd be 21, so he could conceivably have married, then remarried in 1885, but I'm doubting he's the one.
I am seeing a pattern of first-born children being born before the wedding and not registered under either parent's name.
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There are several school inspector records for a 'Frederick Hose' Levin, 1895-1898 Wellington, are these of any help to you? Also a ' Fred Hose' school record 1893, parent James Hose address levin, would you like this full record?
Del
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Hi taonga,
Looks like George William d. 1967 age 82, and Amelia Annie (Millie) d. 1971 age 84 are both buried at papakura Cemetery
Amelia Annie shows on the 1949 Franklin Electoral Roll at Drury as does George William, his occupation labourer.
This ties in nicely with the burials above as Papakura & Drury are esentially side by side.
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Thanks so much for your work John - very helpful!
I've been through all the William Wakefields on BDM who have died since 1898, and there are only three that could fit, including the one you've mentioned:
1922/3168 William Wakefield, 70 y (b. 1852)
1928/1325 William Wakefield, 76 y (b. 1852) (the one buried at Te Kuiti)
1929/3541 William Warren Wakefield, 72 y (b. 1857)
I can't link any of these three back to birth records, either under Wakefield, or under Lankow, the suspected mother's maiden name. Any idea where the other two ended up?
How does the Lankow fit in ?
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Thanks Del - the Frederick Hose information would be very useful.
I've got pretty much all the basic info I need on George and Amelia/Millie. Of course, personal stories and photos would be nice! Other than that, I know all the where, when and who for that family.
It's his parents and grandparents that I'm trying to demystify now. Can't believe I didn't pick up on the lineage problem several years ago.
Just goes to show - don't assume anything, and check, recheck, double-check and get three sources for every fact!
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Try Lankow without the second L - there are likely to be a lot. They were a rather prolific German settler family in Nelson. It would be Christina Lankow, who later married William Wakefield snr.
I'm just guessing that, if William Wakefield jnr is her son, he would have possibly been born before she married and been registered under her maiden name, since I can't see a birth for him under Wakefield. I think they were fairly relaxed about birth registrations anyhow.
I got caught out when researching another of her daughters, and a grandson was born with his mother's maiden name, then changed to his father's surname at some stage.
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Thanks Del - the Frederick Hose information would be very useful.
I've got pretty much all the basic info I need on George and Amelia/Millie. Of course, personal stories and photos would be nice! Other than that, I know all the where, when and who for that family.
It's his parents and grandparents that I'm trying to demystify now. Can't believe I didn't pick up on the lineage problem several years ago.
Just goes to show - don't assume anything, and check, recheck, double-check and get three sources for every fact!
Hi, have p.m the records :)
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Try Lankow without the second L - there are likely to be a lot. They were a rather prolific German settler family in Nelson. It would be Christina Lankow, who later married William Wakefield snr.
I'm just guessing that, if William Wakefield jnr is her son, he would have possibly been born before she married and been registered under her maiden name, since I can't see a birth for him under Wakefield. I think they were fairly relaxed about birth registrations anyhow.
I got caught out when researching another of her daughters, and a grandson was born with his mother's maiden name, then changed to his father's surname at some stage.
Hi,
Yes quite a few 'Lankow' in the South Island.
Christina only shows once which is her marriage to Wakefield. rather intersting is 'George William Christia Lankow' marriage 1891. I only say interesting as it is the same naming pattern as the Wakefield child.
There is a marriage for a Christina Wakefield, 1877 to a Joseph BUSCH, did she remarry after death of Wakefield?
I would need further names to produce anything def' for you.
Del
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I can see how the bdm are making good money from you, there are 2 unnamed males and one female Lankow, born with no parents listed, and the years would fit before the marriage to Wakefield.
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NZ Elec Rolls
Edith & Frederick William Hose
1911- Bay of Plenty, Waimarino
Edith, Ohakune, Married
Frederick, Ohakune, sawmill hand
Frederick William, Raetihi, Mill hand
1914- Manawatu-Wanganui, Taumarunui
Edith, Tangitu, Married
Frederick William, Tangitu, Farmer
1919- Waikato, Waitomo
Edith, Tangitu, Married
Frederick William, Tangitu, farmer
1928- Waikato, Waitomo
Edith, Tangitu, Married
Frederick william, Tangitu, farmer
1935- Bay Of Plenty, Rotorua
Edith, Te Whaiti, Married
Frederick William, Te Whaiti, Mill hand
1938- Bay of PLenty, Rotorua
Edith, Taupo, Married
Frederick William, Taupo, Millhand
1946- Bay of PLenty, Bay of PLenty
Edith, Ngongotaha, Married
Frederick William, Ngongotaha, Millhand
1949- Bay of PLenty, Bay of Plenty
Edith, Ngongotaha, Married
Frederick William, Ngongotaha, Millhand
1954- Bay of PLenty-Rotorua
Edith, 9 Grey Street, Rotorua, Married
Frederick William, 9 Grey Street, Rotorua, Millhand
1957- Rotorua, Bay of PLenty
Edith, 16 Seddon St, Rotorua, Married
Frederick William, 16 Seddon St, Rotorua, Retired
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NZ Elec Rolls
Walter James & Clara Mary Bidlake
1911-1914-1919- Manawatu/Wanganui, Wanganui
Clara, Fitzherbert Ave, Married
Walter James. Fitzherbert Ave, Storeman
1928- Waikato, Waikato
Clara, Waiterimu, Married
Walter James, Waiterimu, farmer
1935 & 1938- Bay of PLenty, Rotorua
Clara, Reporoa, married
walter James, Reporoa, Farmer
1946- Auckland, Otahuhu
walter James, 2nd View Ave Beachlands, no occ
1949- Auckland, Otahuhu
Clara Mary, Beachlands, Married
Walter James 2nd View Ave Beachlands, retired
1954- Manukau, Auckland
Clara Mary, Beachlands, widow
1957- Auckland, Franklin
Clara Mary, 2nd View Ave, Beachlands, widow
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Random William Wakefields that may fit profile
NZ Elec Rolls
5 ENTRIES 1870-1871-
Riverton, Southland also William Wakefield, Aparima, Southland
( Do you want these individual records? I do note a man with the same name listed in southland after the dates ive found below)
1880-1881, Wellington, Wairapapa South
William, Residential, Carterton, Labourer
1890- Manawautu- Wanganui, palmerston
William, Residential, Foxton, Labouer
1896 Manawatu-Wanganui, Manawatu
William, Foxton, Labourer, residential
also
Thomas Henry, Foxton, Contractor, residential
1900- Manawatu-wanganui, Manawatu
William, Foxton, Labourer, residential
also
Thomas Henry, Foxton, Contractor, residential
Just glancing at rolls, Thomas Henry appears to ends up in Auckland, if he is conected i can follow through for you with the rolls.
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You have been busy!
As far as I'm aware, the Southland William Wakefield is a different person.
The 1890, 1896, 1900 ones sound like my man. Interesting - if he does come from the family I think he does, he has a brother I haven't confirmed yet named Thomas Henry.
The 1880-81 Carterton one could well be him. If he was migrating from Nelson to Foxton, he may well have stopped on the way.
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Thanks John - I knew where George and Millie are - have even stood there :-)
I hadn't found the Bidlakes or the Hoses yet - thanks muchly! There have been two George William Wakefields muddled, who I think are actually cousins. Maybe there are some Bidlake or Hose researchers out there who will know more than our Wakefield researchers have found out so far.
DIA are making a wee fortune out of me.
Hi there
HOSE researcher here :)
Edith and Frederick are my great-grandparents.
Re the Wakefields, I was told that we were related to the NZ Company Wakefields but I've not found anything to support that, so far.
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Oh, how wonderful! You must be something like an umpteenth cousin umpteen times removed :-)
The other Wakefield researcher I've worked with is descended from William and Christina's daughter Eliza Amelia who married James Coutts Dallas. She's just sent me some interesting information that you'll find in the thread headed 'Charles LECHNER.'
Every branch of the family I've worked with so far has a family legend that we're connected to Edward Gibbon Wakefield's line. No sign of any proof though.
It's looking more and more likely that we don't have Wakefield blood at all.
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Helloooooo umpteenth cousin!
Yes, that's the legend we grew up with too and I did start digging into that at some point last year with no luck, yet! Having spent some time looking into legends associated with other branches of the family, I've found that sometimes there is a truth in there somewhere. Can only keep digging! A winter project I feel...
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When I got the marriage printout for Amelia's William, he called his step-father 'John Henry Wakefield' rather than William John or John William. Any idea about that?
I wish the authorities of the time had done their job and gotten the death certificate filled in properly!
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Haven't heard that one before. Another twist to the story...
I keep going back to the Edward Gibbon lot as I recall reading somewhere that there was a bit of a scandal involving him and/or his brothers with regards to an elopement when they were still in the UK....
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Some details of the scandal here:
http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/1966/wakefield-edward-gibbon/1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Gibbon_Wakefield
John B
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Yes, I've read a lot about that scandal - it would have been too early to have produced our William Wakefield, and I believe several accounts state that the girl was returned 'unblemished'!
I've explored another possiblity - Felix Wakefield went to Australia with his wife, Marie Felice Baillie (the servant girl who he impregnated, then married and had a bunch of children with). He abandoned her and took almost all the children with him back to England - I think he left her with the youngest.
Nobody knows what happened to her after that, but I've spoken to someone who had older family members descended from children who may have been hers but maybe not his? They were referring to a couple of his other brothers as 'uncles.' There were a couple of names - I must find that correspondence to refresh my memory. Might have been a Richard Wakefield and one other that none of the official sources recognise as Felix and Marie's children.
Or it could just be legend! I've got the Gibbon Wakefield family tree going back for ages, and we're certainly not anything official on there.
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Felix Wakefield arrived in Lyttleton in Nov. 1851 on board "Sir George Pollock", to set up the 'Canterbury Association'.
Another passenger on same voyage was my 7 yr old Gt grandmother with her parents and siblings. ;D
John B
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How funny is that? I spent some time yesterday re-reading up on all that. The possibilities are endless really since the 'boys' seem to have all been quite naughty lol
Felix, Daniel and Arthur were in the Nelson area a bit and William Haywood around Foxton...
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Agreed - there is scope for a link there somewhere. I did find, I think in the Chch library indexes, that there were 'Wakefield' children being brought down from the local Maori pa to be christened. There's also a letter from one Wakefield complaining about a brother drinking too much and frolicking with 'Maori maidens.'
I suspect if there is a link, it would be a generation or so further back. William John/John William/John Henry Wakefield was born approx. 1834. Got to look for those maybe illegitimate links in other countries.
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The older sister Catherine seemed to be the 'surrogate mother' for a few of her nephews and nieces, perhaps an illegit or three could've been included? I also found a site with parts of a diary written by Priscilla Wakefield, who was Edward Gibbon and co's grandmother.
Gotta explore every angle...
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It would be amazing to find those links, but I guess, now that it looks certain that 'our' William Wakefield who married Amelia Schwass was a step-son to Willliam John Wakefield, the Wakefields aren't our genetic line, whichever branch they came from.
Its rather exciting and frustrating at the same time to be starting over with a different family to research. Here's hoping THIS ancestor isn't quite as elusive as the Wakefield one has been!
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What a shame. At least we know...
Fingers crossed, hey? Let me know if and how I can help. Would be even better if I could get my hands on the papers my mother has...
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That's actually not a bad idea - we should probably map out all the living descendents we know of and ask who might have information and/or photos. The answers are very likely sitting in boxes in someone's cupboard someplace!
I can work out who all the living Wakefields are - there aren't many.
You've got the best access to Hose information.
Wonder if we can find anyone on the Bidlake side who is interested?
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Hi there,
I'm a Bidlake lol
grand father - arthur clive
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I'd be keen to find out some more lol
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Hi Sonya :-) I don't have a lot specifically about the Bidlakes, although, of course, if you are descended from the same Bidlake in this tree, then you'll share the Wakefield ancestor too.
I have:
Clara Mary Wakefield, born 1885
married Walter James Bidlake in 1909
Their son Cyril Walter Leonard Bidlake, born 1910
They possibly had other children - I know I have more raw data on them someplace, but this is what's made it to my tree
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I've picked up your line, although I can't see a link yet - it's maybe possible that there's a link further back - I would suspect that your Sidney Herbert and our Walter James are probably brothers. Sidney born approx 1879, Walter b. 1880, and I think they were both in Wanganui.
Sidney Herbert Bidlake (carpenter, Wanganui)
m. Ettie O'Neale in 1911
Children:
- Arthur Clive 1912
- Leslie Herbert 1914
- Hazel Bernice 1915
- Roy Neale 1917
(Possibly others later on)
Also found a piece on Sidney in a 1918 newspaper: https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WC19180206.2.21?query=military%20service%20board
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I cannot see a Sidney Bidlake born in NZ.
However, there are Bidlake arriving on the barque Ironsides in 1879: James, Mary Ann, Leonard and Sydney.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/THA18790819.2.6?query=Bidlake
Then later that year J Bidlake opens a watch and clockmaker business, in Newmarket:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18791202.2.2.7?query=Bidlake
Deaths of James and Leonard:
1883/4832 Bidlake James 34
1884/2153 Bidlake Leonard 6
Death notice for Leonard: https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18840816.2.60?query=Bidlake
1954/34991 Bidlake Ettie 70
1960/38673 Bidlake Sidney Herbert 81
The connection? Marriage notice for Bidlake/ Wakefield: https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19340918.2.2.4?query=Bidlake
Jamjar
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Well done! I was just trawling through immigration records, having not found a birth for Sidney in NZ.
That means Sidney and our Walter James are brothers. Walter was born to James and Mary Ann in Newmarket.
When James died, Mary Ann (nee Griffin, in one source) married William Charles Strong in 1885.
I have a birth for Sydney Herbert Bidlake, 1879, Epsom, Surrey England
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Marriage for the mother: 1885/1052 Mary Ann Bidlake William Charles Strong
Jamjar
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BIDLAKE, LEONARD FRANK mmn GRIFFIN
GRO Reference: 1877 S Quarter in EPSOM Volume 02A Page 20
BIDLAKE, SYDNEY HERBERT mmn GRIFFIN
GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in EPSOM Volume 02A Page 16
Jamjar
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Marriage:
September quarter 1876
BIDLAKE James to GRIFFIN Mary Ann Bromley 2a 576
Jamjar
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Looks to be James on the 1871 census: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRNZ-BCZ
Jamjar
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Thank you :-) Sonya will be impressed when she looks again! Getting all this info and sourcing written up into the tree as fast as I can keep up :-)
I should show you some of my brick walls!
Min :-)
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Possible birth for James:
BIDLAKE, JAMES mmn STACEY
GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in MAIDSTONE Volume 05 Page 323
Jamjar
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Sister:
BIDLAKE, EMILY mmn STACEY
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in MAIDSTONE Volume 05 Page 352
The twin brothers:
BIDLAKE, THOMAS mmn STACEY
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in MAIDSTONE Volume 02A Page 394
BIDLAKE, WILLIAM mmn STACEY
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in MAIDSTONE Volume 02A Page 393
Jamjar
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Marriage:
Mar quarter 1848 Maidstone 5 367
James Thompson BIDLAKE to Mary Ann STACEY
Jamjar
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The 1861 census has mother as Mary Ann, not Margaret:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7CM-H25
The 1851 census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGLG-1JP
Jamjar
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Possible death of Mary Ann Strong:
1931/7059 Strong Mary Ann 79
Walter James and Clara burial:
BIDLAKE, Walter James
Howick Cemetery, Cnr Paparoa Road & Litten Road, Howick
Lot: HOWB3-SEC 3-051
Date Buried: Monday, December 03, 1951
BIDDAKE, Clara Mary (Misspelt surname)
Howick Cemetery, Cnr Paparoa Road & Litten Road, Howick
Lot: HOWB3-SEC 3-051
Date Buried: Friday, June 12, 1959
Sydney and wife burial, Aramoho Cemetery, Wanganui:
BIDLAKE, Sidney Herbert 81
Warrant: 2529
Residence: 357 Victoria Ave
Occupation: Carpenter
Date of Burial: 7-6-1960
Officiating Minister: Rev Keith
Funeral: Co-ordinator Dempsey & Sons
Location: Plot 85 Public Lawn/A/2
BIDLAKE, Ettie 70
Warrant: 1021
Residence: 16 Fitzherbert Ave
Occupation: Widow
Date of Burial: 27-11-1954
Funeral Co-ordinator: Dempsey & Sons
Location: Plot 86 Public Lawn/A/2
Jamjar
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Deaths:
1897/30392 Bidlake Arthur Clive born 21 September 1912
1945/10840 Roy Neil 27
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Welcome to Rootschat, Sonya.
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Another son of Sidney, not previously mentioned.
Engagement: https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19431227.2.57?query=%22bidlake%22
Jamjar
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On Family Search, I've linked up my family tree to some existing bits of the Bidlake tree, and I've begun to add sources/extra information where it's lacking. There were a few full branches already there from other genealogists.
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Burial of Maurice Edward Bidlake, fourth son of Sidney:
Whanganui Cemetery
BIDLAKE, Maurice Edward 80 3-11-2000
Warrant:6297
Date of Birth: 30-6-1920
Residence: 57 Treadwell Street
Occupation: Rtd Builder
Date of Burial: 7-11-2000
Officiating Minister: Gordon Munro
Funeral Co-ordinator: Dempsey & Forrest
Location: Plot 15 Public Lawn Extension/V/H
Jamjar
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Deaths:
1897/30392 Bidlake Arthur Clive born 21 September 1912
1945/10840 Roy Neil 27
Just a wee correction to the above......
Registration Number Family Name Given Name(s) Date of Birth/
1987/30392 Bidlake Arthur Clive 21 September 1912
Minniehaha.
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Thank you for the correction.
At Hamilton Park Cemetery:
Arthur Clive BIDLAKE 74
Death: 6-2-1987
Buried: 10-2-1987
Type: Burial Funeral
Director: Pellows Funeral Services
Location: Hamilton Park Cemetery
MAPLE-22-34
There are two other BIDLAKE at the cemetery:
Anne BIDLAKE 67
Death: 23-9-2013
Born: 1-3-1946
Cremated: 27-9-2013
Type: Cremation
Funeral Director: Broadway Funeral Home
Last Address: 3556 State Highway 29, Matamata
Location: Hamilton Park Cemetery
Robert James BIDLAKE 71
Death: 18/08/2013
Born: Cremated: 21-8-2013
Type: Cremation
Funeral Director: Broadway Funeral Home
Last Address: 3556 State Highway 29 R D 3, Matamata
Location: Hamilton Park Cemetery
Jamjar
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Ettie's - wife of Sidney - large family.
Marriage of parents:
1873/10405 Louisa Francis Anthony Edward O Neale
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP18730408.2.4?query=%20o'neale
Second marraige of father: 1919/2500 Frances Emily Rayner Anthony Edward O'Neale
* An online tree has Louisa's birth as 1853/4224 FRANCIS Louisa parents Frances and John
Births and deaths:
1874/26194 Mary Louisa - possible death 1963/41751 Anderson Mary Louisa 89
1875/8163 Frederick Anthony - death 1953 25896 O'Neale Frederick Anthony 79
Wellington Crematorium
Last name: O'NEALE
First name: FREDERICK ANTHONY
Age: 79 Years
Deceased date: 7-4-1953
Service provided: Cremation
Cremation date: 9-4-1953
Cemetery: Crematorium
Record number: 12313
1876/12777 Mabel - death 1941/24953 O'Neale Mabel 64
Will and Probate: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BC-ZS3C-B?i=511&cc=1865481
Whanganui Cemetery
O'NEALE, Mabel 64
Warrant: 6801
Residence: 52 Kawatiri Av
Occupation: Spinster
Date of Burial: 2-7-1941
Officiating Minister: Rev Venimore
Funeral Co-ordinator: Symes Fleming & Dick
1878/4402 Ernest Edward - death 1959/21499 O'Neale Ernest Edward 80
Will and Probate: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89W3-Y2DR?i=766&cc=1865481
Featherston Cemetery
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Ernest-Edward-ONeale/22968575
1880/1318 Ethel - death 1960/24438 O'Neale Ethel 80
1881/7294 Harold Richard - death 1968 44733 O'Neale Harold Richard 87
1882/15092 Hilda Frances - death 1958/29343 Hodder Hilda Francis 75Y
1884/4745 Ettie - death 1954/34991 Bidlake Ettie 70
1886/15647 Lottie Kathleen - death death 1972/31565 Silverwood Lottie Kathleen 7 November 1886
Wellington crematorium
Last name: SILVERWOOD
First name: LOTTEI (sic) KATHLEEN
Age: 85 Years
Deceased date: 11-3-1972
Service provided: Cremation
Cremation date: 14-3-1972
Cemetery: Crematorium
Record number: 35004
1895/6343 Raymond Carrol - death 1950/27775 death O'Neale Raymond Carrol 55
Greytown Cemetery
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=96738845
Death of Ettie's parents:
1906/6735 O'Neale Louise 53
1919/7843 O'Neale Anthony Edward 74
Will and Probate: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L97S-ZWNP?i=596&cc=1865481
Featherston Cemetery
Photos of headstones: https://billiongraves.com/grave/Louisa-ONeale/22889401
Death of second wife: 1952/21934 O'Neale Frances Emily 78
Marriages:
1895/1872 Mary Louisa O'Neale Charles Anderson
1902/1265 Lilian Rebecca Philps Ernest Edward O'Neale - death 1918/10691 O'Neale Lilian Rebecca 37
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Ernest-Edward-ONeale/22968575
1903/4128 Gertrude Mary Bowring Frederick Anthony O'Neale - death 1957/35186 O'Neale Gertrude May 76
Wellington Crematorium
Last name: O'NEALE
First name: GERTRUDE MARY
Age: 76 Years
Deceased date: 7-10-1957
Service provided: Cremation
Cremation date: 9-10-1957
Cemetery: Crematorium
Record number:16670
1911/8807 Effie O'Neale Sidney Herbert Bidlake
1913/6242 Lottie Kathleen O'Neale Alfred Cyrus Silverwood - death 1958/33301 Silverwood Alfred Cyrus 71Y
Will and Probate: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSQK-2BPS?i=512&cc=1865481
Wellington Crematorium
Last name: SILVERWOOD
First name: ALFRED CYRUS
Age: 71 Years
Deceased date: 24-5-1958
Service provided: Cremation
Cremation date: 26-5-1958
Cemetery: Crematorium
Record number: 17290
1915/1714 Theresa Ann Hodder Harold Richard O'Neale - death 1944/20638 O'Neale Theresa Ann 51
1920/2643 Hilda Frances O'Neale Francis John Hodder - death 1952/21695 Hodder Francis John 71
1921/5967 Dorothy Bona Dyson Raymond Carrol O'Neale - death 1978/42707 O'Neale Dorothy Bona 20 March 1892
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Probated will (1960) of Sidney Herbert Bidlake......
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99Q9-7Z3W?i=146&cc=1865481
There are nine children named.
Minniehaha.
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Some snippets further to reply #61 re the children named in the will.....
1912/8987 Bidlake Arthur Clive Ettie Sidney Herbert
Death:
1987/30392 Bidlake Arthur Clive 21 September 1912
1914/22332 Bidlake Leslie Herbert Ettie Sidney Herbert
Death:
2004/24294 Bidlake Leslie Herbert 23 June 1914
1915/25143 Bidlake Hazel Bernice Ettie Sidney Herbert
Death:
1996/50042 Christensen Hazel Bernice 17 October 1915
Death:
2015/32083 Edwards Crissie Dora 25 December 1918
Death:
2000/23950 Bidlake Maurice Edward 30 June 1920
Death:
1997/40837 Bidlake Henry Malvern 13 February 1922
Death:
2010/15260 Bidlake Gordon Frank 21 October 1923
Death:
2001/7982 Hulena Joyce Louisa 3 May 1926
Death:
2014/4238 Chegwidden Esther Loraine 24 July 1931
Gordon Frank Bidlake [death notice]:
Published in
Hawkes Bay Today
29 Jun 2010
Napier Mail
07 Jul 2010
Esther Louisa Chegwidden [death notice]:
Published in
Taranaki Daily News
15 Feb 2014
Wairarapa Times Age
15 Feb 2014
Wanganui Chronicle
15 Feb 2014
Hawkes Bay Today
15 Feb 2014
Manawatu Standard
15 Feb 2014
Wanganui Chronicle
18 Feb 2014
Minniehaha.
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A few more family details.......
http://www.whanganui.govt.nz/our-services/cemeteries-and-crematorium/Pages/Cemetery-Search.aspx?surname=bidlake&forename=mauriceRecord Detail
Item Value
Record Number: 015316
Surname: BIDLAKE*
First Names: EDNA JOYCE
Age: 86
Date of Death: 16/05/2012
Date of Burial: 21/10/2012
Cemetery: Riverside
Area: Ex Servicemen
Row: CREM
Plot: 94
Record Detail
Item Value
Record Number: 013979
Surname: BIDLAKE
First Names: HENRY MALVERN
Age: 75
Date of Death: 9/06/1997
Date of Burial: 22/08/1997
Cemetery: Riverside
Area: Ex Servicemen
Row: CREM
Plot: 94
*Wife of Henry?
http://www.whanganui.govt.nz/our-services/cemeteries-and-crematorium/Pages/Cemetery-Search.aspx?surname=chegwidden
CHEGWIDDEN, Esther Loraine 82 F 12/02/2014
Date of Birth 24/07/1931 Residence 26 Exeter Crescent Wanganui
Occupation Home Executor Martial Status Married
Date of Medical Certificate 14/02/2014 Officiating Minister Rev J Peill
Funeral Co-ordinator Cleveland's Place of Death Broadview
Minniehaha.
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Aramaho Cemetery
3 Papaiti Road
Aramoho, Whanganui 4584
New Zealand
BIDLAKE, Ettie, bur. 27/11/1954
BIDLAKE, Maurice Edward, b. 30/06/1920, d. 3/11/2000, bur. 7/11/2000
BIDLAKE, Sidney Herbert, bur. 07/06/1960
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Hi there,
I met Esther. She was a lovely lady, strict Christian as I remember but she had a lovely smile and humor lol. I'm slowly making my way through the Bidlakes in Wanganui as I have moved down here
Soni
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:D :D :D
Hi 3foot3, and welcome to RootsChat :) :D
As mentioned by Jamjar above, we avoid identifying living or possibly living persons to protect their personal privacy.
To get around this, we instead use the Personal Message (PM) system to exchange emails and personal information. This is activated once a member makes three posts so feel free to reply twice more to this topic. Just a couple of smiley's will be fine.
Then you can make private contact with other researchers.
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Hi Jamjar lol I'm trying to launch the PM ::)
Hi 3foot3, and welcome to RootsChat :) :D
As mentioned by Jamjar above, we avoid identifying living or possibly living persons to protect their personal privacy.
To get around this, we instead use the Personal Message (PM) system to exchange emails and personal information. This is activated once a member makes three posts so feel free to reply twice more to this topic. Just a couple of smiley's will be fine.
Then you can make private contact with other researchers.
Spades
p.s. If you have any questions at all about how to use RootsChat don't hesitate to ask on this topic. We're all here to help.
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Hi Minniehaha,
I'm trying to launch the PM to use so fingers xed lol
A few more family details.......
http://www.whanganui.govt.nz/our-services/cemeteries-and-crematorium/Pages/Cemetery-Search.aspx?surname=bidlake&forename=mauriceRecord Detail
Item Value
Record Number: 015316
Surname: BIDLAKE*
First Names: EDNA JOYCE
Age: 86
Date of Death: 16/05/2012
Date of Burial: 21/10/2012
Cemetery: Riverside
Area: Ex Servicemen
Row: CREM
Plot: 94
Record Detail
Item Value
Record Number: 013979
Surname: BIDLAKE
First Names: HENRY MALVERN
Age: 75
Date of Death: 9/06/1997
Date of Burial: 22/08/1997
Cemetery: Riverside
Area: Ex Servicemen
Row: CREM
Plot: 94
*Wife of Henry?
http://www.whanganui.govt.nz/our-services/cemeteries-and-crematorium/Pages/Cemetery-Search.aspx?surname=chegwidden
CHEGWIDDEN, Esther Loraine 82 F 12/02/2014
Date of Birth 24/07/1931 Residence 26 Exeter Crescent Wanganui
Occupation Home Executor Martial Status Married
Date of Medical Certificate 14/02/2014 Officiating Minister Rev J Peill
Funeral Co-ordinator Cleveland's Place of Death Broadview
Minniehaha.
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;D Ok so this might work better to get the PM working
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:D Hi Jamjar hopefully this gets the PM to work