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Title: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: Yonno on Saturday 09 April 11 07:45 BST (UK)
Hi,  my uncle John Edgar Adams was in the 1st. Corringham, Essex scout a patrol leader. He was killed in 1932 when he was 12 years old.  There was a huge funeral held in Corringham.  MY grandparents had a silver cup engraved in his memory,and presented it to the scouts.  My grandmother did try to find out as to it's whereabouts before she died.

This is a hard one I know, it could even be in someone's shed  or just lost.
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: louisa maud on Sunday 10 April 11 12:24 BST (UK)
Hi Yonno
Me again, I am a local to Corringham, I will see what I can come up with, I have contacts within the scout movement as my grandchildren are scouts

Do you have any paper clippings about it?

LM

PS I have been in touch with the local scout master and hope to get back to you if she can find out something, if not I will contact 1st Corringham Scout group
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: Dean1 on Sunday 10 April 11 13:22 BST (UK)
Hi,

Somewhere in Essex there must be memorabilia to the Gilwell Park World Scout Jamboree held in the 50's.   I wonder if the cup could have ended up there.    Gilwell Park is near Upton in Essex I understand - the other place it may have gone to is his old school.

Sue   
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: Yonno on Sunday 10 April 11 14:19 BST (UK)
Hi, I did contact the Media & Communications Manager at Stanford-le-hope, he sent me some newspaper cuttings, they were hard to read, I don't think they would work on this site. He didn't come up with any news regarding the cup.   Evidently John was on his way to school in Stanford,  my old school actually.
I have a photo of the cup from my grandmother's photo album, I could put it up although one cannot read it as there is some glare from the light.

Yonno

Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: Dean1 on Sunday 10 April 11 14:48 BST (UK)
Hi Yonno,

How about putting the story in a free local Essex paper with your picture of the cup and funeral picture.   Someone must know something.

I don't know the Essex papers but I bet someone on here will.

Sue
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: Yonno on Sunday 10 April 11 15:04 BST (UK)
That sounds a good idea :)  Y
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: louisa maud on Sunday 10 April 11 18:24 BST (UK)
Hi Yonno
I have been in contact with the person concerned who I know is well connected to the local scout groups, she is going to find out for me where this cup has gone, unfortunately for us she is away from Wednesday for a few days so she night not get back to  me before then but she will find out all she can
Gilwell Park has a museum so it might well be there but I am confident she will find out for me

regards

LM
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: louisa maud on Friday 15 April 11 17:47 BST (UK)
Another update
This is being brought up at 1st Corringham meeting next, so hopefully I can find out where the cup went

regards

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: Yonno on Saturday 16 April 11 00:08 BST (UK)
Thank you Louisa.  :)
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: louisa maud on Thursday 28 April 11 15:59 BST (UK)
Still no news , I think perhaps their meetingS only take place occasionally but I will still  wait for their reply, I haven't forgotten you

LM
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: Yonno on Friday 29 April 11 01:06 BST (UK)
Thank You Louisa,  I had a contact from a relation that I never knew existed, he said that Lillian Mabel Adams, was in fact a Catholic Nun Sister Mary of the Blessed Imelda, she died in 1981 I even received Photos of her.  So that is one more mystery solved.  I thank everyone who helped.

Regards,
               Yonno :)
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: louisa maud on Wednesday 04 May 11 20:07 BST (UK)
Hello again Yonno, reply received today, so hopefully I will be receiving a reply soon, watch this space

LM.

"Dear LM
I have at last managed to speak to someone about the Trophy you were asked about relating to John Edgar Adams.
The Scouting person I spoke to was involved in trying to track this down some time ago. He has asked me to forward your details to him so that he can fully explain to you directly.
 
Would you mind confirming that it is OK for me to pass your email address to him, he is bona fide "
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: Yonno on Thursday 05 May 11 00:28 BST (UK)
Hi there,
                  Yes by all means pass the e-mail on, many thanks.

Yvonne :)
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: findem on Friday 06 May 11 00:10 BST (UK)
Hi Yvonne,

Hope you will let us know the outcome, I'm sure quite a few people like myself are intrigued to find out what happened to the cup  ;D

Regards.
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: Yonno on Friday 06 May 11 00:41 BST (UK)
I sure will, many thanks. :)

Yvonne.
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: louisa maud on Friday 06 May 11 06:59 BST (UK)
I have had another reply and hopefully all will be revealed soon

LM
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: Yonno on Saturday 07 May 11 01:23 BST (UK)
Fantastic, thank you Louisa.

Regards,  Yvonne
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: louisa maud on Thursday 12 May 11 15:00 BST (UK)
COPIED IN IT'S ENTIRITY

Hi Louisa Maud
Are you related to this forum thread by any chance?? http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=525684.msg3849810;topicseen
I'm the same person mentioned in the thread as being the media person.
Attached are photo's taken of the Thurrock Gazette dated August 1932 from the Thurrock Museum.  We also found his grave in Corringham Cemetery.  Unfortunately it is unmarked.  Photo also attached from his funeral.

To give you a little history of Scouting in the area, Thurrock, Stanford-le-Hope and Basildon all formed one large South Essex District which would have been how it was around the 1930's.  Then at some point after the second world war, Stanford-le-Hope & District broke away from Thurrock District.  Stanford also included the area that now makes up Basildon.  Then in the 60's ish when Basildon new town was built Basildon split away from Stanford-le-Hope.
 
Despite hunting high and low for the Cup in all three Districts, it has so far not been found and no one seems to know it's where abouts, if indeed it is still in existence.
 
I have also asked at The Scout Association's HQ in London (which also happens to be where I work) and the Archive Department there do not have any information about the Cup of John Adams either.
 
We're still asking around and should there be any news I'll let you know.
 
If you post the items onto the forum thead please add "Images provided by Stanford-le-Hope & District Scouts and the Thurrock Museum."
 
Kind regards
 
Owen

there is also a copy of the newspaper but I don't know how to copy it

LM
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: Yonno on Friday 13 May 11 01:22 BST (UK)
Hi Louisa,
              I thank you and Owen for trying for me, as he said, the cup may not even exist.
I did have copies of the news paper about his death, very hard to read as it is small print, also a bit graphic.

Regards,
 Yonno
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: louisa maud on Friday 13 May 11 06:03 BST (UK)
Hello Yonno
Well Owen has helped us as much as he can which was kind of him, I don't think I can help you further but I was pleased to be of little help I could

Happy Hunting

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: louisa maud on Saturday 13 June 15 22:47 BST (UK)
Yonno
I do realise it is a long time ago that  I made contact with you re the John Adams cup

Is it possible you can contact me as I have some interesting information you might like to hear

regards

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: Yonno on Sunday 14 June 15 00:27 BST (UK)
Hi Louisa,  :)
Thank you for contacting me I am looking forwards to see what information you have.
               C:\Users\Yvonne\genealogy\Genealogy\John Adams-1.jpg

Best regards,

Yvonne
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: louisa maud on Sunday 14 June 15 07:00 BST (UK)
my email address is

OOPS, modified

sorry I will contact by PM to give you this

If you would like to email me I will post your address on to the person concerned

LM
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: Yonno on Wednesday 17 June 15 03:32 BST (UK)
John Adams.
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: louisa maud on Thursday 18 June 15 01:11 BST (UK)
Hi Yonno
I think by now Owen has contacted you, I am more than pleased that this is almost resolved and the cup referred to has been found, it has taken some years to track it down, persistence on Owen's part has paid off

regards

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Tracing- The John Adams Cup
Post by: Yonno on Thursday 18 June 15 01:48 BST (UK)
 :) Yes LM it seems all is good.  Many thanks.
Yonno