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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Meath => Topic started by: Gibby1968 on Wednesday 13 April 11 14:25 BST (UK)
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I really want to trace my Irish ancestry but due to the lack of records I'm finding it really hard.
It took me four years to find out about my 2x great grandfather Michael Callaghan's birthplace and now I find I am stuck with his parents and siblings.
I have his parents names and birth/christening dates as well as the birth/christening dates of some of Michael's siblings but I can't get any further back or confirm the information already collected.
Could someone please give me any tips so I can hopefully see how far back this line goes?
Thanks.
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Have a look at Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html) and My Ancestor came from Ireland - where do I start? (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498742.0.html).
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Thanks :)
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According to the website http://www.rootsireland.ie/ Michael was born/christened on 19 October 1870 at St Mary's, Navan, Meath, Ireland.
No birth certificate was found for Michael so I'm wondering if his birth was before registration began.
He was the son of Thomas and Ellen Callaghan (formerly Melia) who were born in Navan c1848 and c1850 respectively.
Michael's siblings are;
Margaret (9 March 1874)
Christina (2 March 1876). No christening or birth can be found for this child so I'm wondering if Christina and Josephine are one and the same.
Josephine (2 March 1876).
Thomas (1877). No birth certificate found for this child.
Ellen (30 August 1879). All born in Meath.
He married Julia Gerrard on 16 January 1898 at the Catholic Chapel of Navan, Navan, Meath, Ireland. Michael died on 8 July 1952 at Mill Hill Top, Wilsden, Bradford, West Yorkshire.
Michael, his wife Julia and eldest son John Thomas appear on the 1901 Irish census. John Thomas (my great grandfather) was born on 11 November 1898 at Mill Hill Top, Wilsden, Bradford, West Yorkshire, England. I have his birth certificate.
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I have done a little more research on the family and I have found out that Thomas Callaghan, my 3x great grandfather died in 1909 making his birth year c1840 but because registration in Ireland began later than it did in England and Wales I am unable to get a birth certificate to find out who his parents were.
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https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0955 Navan
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I've already looked there many times and not been able to find anything.
Thanks anyway.
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According to the website http://www.rootsireland.ie/ Michael was born/christened on 19 October 1870 at St Mary's, Navan, Meath, Ireland......nothing there for October!
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Please read what I said earlier.
I am looking for Thomas' parents not Michael's!
I already know all about Michael.
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I did!
According to the website http://www.rootsireland.ie/ Michael was born/christened on 19 October 1870 at St Mary's, Navan, Meath, Ireland...... where did they get that??
I checked tere to see if any towbland was mentioned!!
My apologies for looking for clues!
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Hallmark
Just for information, Michael’s baptism is here - number 309
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635257#page/24/mode/1up
Heywood
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Hallmark,
This may be the marriage for Thomas and Ellen- in Oristown 25th July 1867 but there are no other clues.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635215#page/55/mode/1up
Heywood
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I have done a little more research on the family and I have found out that Thomas Callaghan, my 3x great grandfather died in 1909 making his birth year c1840 but because registration in Ireland began later than it did in England and Wales I am unable to get a birth certificate to find out who his parents were.
Ages can vary so it is difficult to get an approximate birth year
Are these your family?
Death 69 yrs - birth about 1840
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05445/4523566.pdf
1901 53 yrs birth about 1848
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Meath/Navan_Urban/Academy_Street/1617516/
Ellen
1901 52 yrs abt 1849
1911 69 yrs abt 1842
Death 1924 - 74 yrs abt 1850. (Would be 17 on marriage :-\)
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Snap - I just found that marriage too.
On rootsireland.ie there are no Ellen Melia baptisms in Meath 1835 - 1855 but 1 in Dublin 1843, 2 in Kildare 1835 & 1841, 1 in Galway 1852 [a bit late] & 1 in Wicklow 1835. 10 baptisms for a Thomas Calaghan in Meath 1843 - 1853 same period but none in Navan!!
Here's the Griffiths for Navan
https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/meath/navan.htm
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According to the website http://www.rootsireland.ie/ Michael was born/christened on 19 October 1870 at St Mary's, Navan, Meath, Ireland.
No birth certificate was found for Michael so I'm wondering if his birth was before registration began.
He was the son of Thomas and Ellen Callaghan (formerly Melia) who were born in Navan c1848 and c1850 respectively.
Michael's siblings are;
Margaret (9 March 1874)
Christina (2 March 1876). No christening or birth can be found for this child so I'm wondering if Christina and Josephine are one and the same.
Josephine (2 March 1876).
Thomas (1877). No birth certificate found for this child.
Ellen (30 August 1879). All born in Meath
Are there any clues with regard to the Baptism sponsors or birth informants?
For example, the informant for Ellen’s birth is Kate Callaghan occupier.
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Why are you all giving me information that I haven't asked for and have anyway?? ???
I am only interested in finding out the parents of Thomas Callaghan who was born c1840 in Meath, Ireland. Registration there began much later than in England and Wales so I cannot obtain a birth certificate.
I have looked for Thomas' baptism but have not been able to find it.
I AM ONLY INTERESTED IN THOMAS AS I HAVE THE INFO ON MICHAEL AND HIS SIBLINGS.
Thanks.
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I was giving Hallmark the birth and the marriage, rather than you, because more experienced researchers may know where to look.
We are trying to help you. Sometimes it is wise to look at the broader picture rather than a narrow one.
As I stated earlier, Kate Callaghan was the informant for the birth of Ellen.
She may be a sister or mother to Thomas.
Other relatives may be Godparents or informants to other children or witnesses.
We are aware of your search but mistakenly thought you might appreciate a different perspective on searching for clues to find Thomas.
Regards
Heywood
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Reply 70 on previous thread re: rudeness would seem to apply here as well ::)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=806016.63
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Dear Gibby,
Please try to remember that RootsChatters don't actually know what it is that you know about Thomas :-\ Nor do they necessarily know what you consider to be all the information that there is to be had about Michael, since you have not shared it or its sources. Granted, it is often very hard to know how much - or how little - detail to give in a request, just in case you overwhelm people.
Sometimes there is a duplication of information offered - is that necessarily a bad thing? How does anyone know what is hidden away in your research notes? Occasionally it reminds us of snippets of information that perhaps are deserving of a second look. I know that is the case in my own research.
I encourage everyone to give you the benefit of the doubt about your use of capital letters. Perhaps you did not realise that this is considered to be shouting at people. I really hope that is not what you intended. ;)
Best of luck in your research. :)
Nell
Global Moderator
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Please close this thread down, thanks.
I will continue my research elsewhere.
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May be of interest
http://www.navanhistory.ie/index.php?page=butterstream
http://www.navanhistory.ie/index.php?page=academy-street
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Thanks for that.
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I have bookmarked the links, thanks.
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Hallmark,
This may be the marriage for Thomas and Ellen- in Oristown 25th July 1867 but there are no other clues.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635215#page/55/mode/1up
Heywood
I have had this information for some time that I found on an Irish website. I have not been able to find a marriage certificate to go with the information.