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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: Franlynch on Thursday 14 April 11 13:51 BST (UK)
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Hi, I am trying to track down some of my grandfathers family who went from Roscommon to US.
The parents names were Thomas Creighton (1847) who married Mary McGarry (1848).
The children that I am trying to trace are: -
Patrick born 19th November 1873
Edward born 25th July 1880
Thomas born 1882
Francis born 1887
Peter born 1891
I know that Thomas did go to the US, possibly Chicago but I am not sure about the others.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Fran
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Hello Fran,
On the family search birth entry for Pat Creaton - 19 November 1873 it gives the birth place as French Park. Roscommon. Ireland.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cqq/
A family tree entry for a Thomas Creighton born 1886 French Park. Roscommon shows he arrived in 1905/06 according to the Census data and married a Julia Shanahan 15 November 1918 in Chicago Cook. Illinois. The birth date is a few years off the 1882 you give but could he be a possibility. ??? Thomas Creighton died in February 1964. Julia in Dec 1968. Daughter Geraldine 1918 - 2003 (married to a William Clair 1917-1995) The son Thomas born 1926 in Chicago, Cook Co., Illinois Died April 1973 in Chicago, Cook Co.,
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cqr/
In 1910 Thomas was in the household of another Thomas Creighton aged 50 years and born 1860 Ireland and is described as a cousin. Would that fit with your Thomas ?
1920 shows this Thomas with wife Julia and a child.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cqs/
and 1930 shows him with a wife and 2 children
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cqt/
The WW1 Draft for this Thomas gives a birth date of 4 th November 1885. Thomas has the occupation of Policemen.
The WW2 Draft also gives a birth date of 4 November 1885 Roscommon. Ireland. The person that will always know him is his son of the same name.
Regards
Sandra
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Sandra
I can double check my own birth year of 1882. I feel that the cousin part would match though.
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Hello Fran,
That would be a good start then. Can see a passenger list for a Thomas Creighton aged 22 years and born 1883, single. Travelling Queenstown. Ireland to New York on the Campania April 1 st 1905. He was going to cousin Edward Connor at 243 Cortland Street. Chicago. Also travelling were Ellen Creighton aged 19 years and single. Edward Connor 22 years. Kate Ford aged 19 years and single. Might those names mean anything to you ???
Regards
Sandra
ADDED:- The last residence of all the travellers was Castlerea - so maybe this Thomas is not yours ???
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This is the 1910 Family Thomas was with in Chicago Ward 34, Cook, Illinois
Thomas Creighton 50 Marriage 1 for 21 years. Immigrated 1891. NA. Proprietor. Saloon.
Mary Creighton 42 Immigrated 1885
Andrew Creighton 20 Born Illinois. Clerk. Wholesale House.
Mary Creighton 18 Born Illinois. telephone Opeator. Telephone Company.
Thomas Creighton 14 Born Illinois
Michael Creighton 6 Born Illinois
Thomas Creighton 24 Immigrated 1906. PA
Joseph Donohue 24 Boarder
Michael Gara 23 Born Ireland. Cousin. Immigrated 1906. PA
Regards
Sandra
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Looking at Thomas Creighton 1895 - son of Thomas and Mary turns up this death record for him (14 July 1942) which gives the maiden name of his Mother as Mary Tarpey . Might that help you verify the relationship of your Thomas to that Creighton family. ???
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cqu/
Regards
Sandra
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Hello Fran,
It looks as if the marriage of Thomas Creighton to Marie Tarpey took place in Illinois 28 th April 1889
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cqv/
Regards
Sandra
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Hello Fran,
Don't seem to be finding anything positive yet on Patrick, Edward, Francis or Peter I'm afraid. Have you a last sighting of these siblings in Ireland ?
Regards
Sandra
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Sandra,
The TARPEY connection is from another branch of the family that I have been unable to connect into mine. Being a relation of them would help me. Am I understanding that my thomas is a cousin to thomas creighton and mary creighton (nee tarpey).
I got my DOB for thomas from national archives ireland census 1901 - although i have now noticed that his name was spelt Creaton on that :( The name changed as they travelled.
Fran
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Hello Fran,
Yes, Thomas was described as a cousin on the 1910 Census with Thomas and Mary. Unfortunately the marriage entry for the 1886 Thomas to Julia does'nt give us the parents name. ???
The 1920 and 1930 census for Thomas and Julia don't help either because Thomas is 34 years old in 1920 and only 40 years in 1930 (making that a birth year of 1890) Although those WW Drafts have him as 4 th November 1885. We all know to take Census information with a pinch of salt sometimes but we don't want to put a square peg in a round hole. ??? Sorry its not absolutely positive results on this yet.
Regards
Sandra
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You are great to look though - wouldn't it help if there weren't so many with the same name
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Hello Fran,
Have'nt given up yet - will try a few spelling variations to see if anything else pops up. If there are any of the documents we have looked at and you would like for reference purposes, then I would be happy to send them for you if you wish - just need a pm with your personal e-mail address.
Regards
Sandra
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Hello Fran,
All documents sent. Just incase you prove the connection to Thomas Creighton. This is very sad because it does look as if Thomas Creighton born 1860 was murdered in 1916. The death certificate is online on the link below. Occupation was bartender. Died due to a bullet wound through the heart. Burial at Mt Olivet Cemetery.
Surely somewhere there will be newspaper reports of this incident. ???
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cr3/
Regards
Sandra
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Only managed to find pay per view so far - so only snippets but there appears to be articles in the Chicago Tribune Feb 14, 1916 - Fred Leland alias - Fred Forsberg a paroled convict has been identified as the man who killed Thomas Creighton in his brother s saloon at N505f South State street on ......
Also Chicago Tribune Feb 6, 1916 - Robbers with revolvers put in a fairly busy day.
Two of whom answered the general description or the robber who shot and killed Thomas Creighton a bartender in a saloon at 5DC9 South State street on ... ..
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The informant on the death certificate of Thomas Creighton was Michael Creighton. The first article above mentions a brother having a saloon where Thomas was killed. This looks like brither Michael in 1910 -
Chicago Ward 7, Cook, Illinois.
Michael Creighton 47 Immigrated 1883, NA. Marriage 1 for 3 years. Proprietor. Liquor Business.
Margarite M Creighton 32 Born illinois. Had 1 child but 0 survive.
Cornelius Gorman 62 Boarder.
Edward A Gorman 30 Boarder.
Margarite J Cussen 20 Servant.
Michael married Margaret M Gorman 22 August 1906 Chicago. Illinois. (St Anne's Church. Chicago) Unfortunately no parents names to help.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cr4/
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Oh dear - sorry looks as if I am repeating what you already have - just found another thread else where
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cr5/
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On the thread I found above was the Obituary for Edward J Creighton
1916-07-30 Chicago Tribune(Illinois) Edward J. Creighton, dearly beloved son of Mary [nee McGarry], and the late Thomas; fond brother of Patrick, Mary, John, Michael, Francis, Peter and Thomas Creighton, at his residence, 5339 W. Adamsst. Funeral notice later.
Looking at the death record the date ties in with Edward J Creighton who died in Hammond. Indiana.
Edward J. Creighton Date: 29 Jul 1916 Hammond
Possibly (although the birth date is out again) then Edward Cecighton (thats the way it was spelt) aged 24 years, could be a boarder in Chicago Ward 34, Cook, Illinois in the household of the Lavery family. Immigrated 1899. Occupation:- Mason. Sewers.
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Sandra, from iPhone so I'll be brief - Internet still down, Thomas did have a brother Michael but he was my grandad and stayed in Ireland so it's nit him, that's sad though - winder if he's related
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Yes he must be. If Thomas 1886 was a cousin to Thomas 1860 (the one that was murdered) Then Michael was also a cousin because he was a brother of Thomad 1860. ;)
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Sorry sandra, that thread was fir Thomas who married Mary Tarpey - I have been trying to tie that family into my Thomas who's parents were Thomas and Mary McGarry - am I right in assuming then that Thomas who married Tarpey was a cousin to Thomas son of Thomas and McGarry - way too many thomases :(
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Only IF the son of Thomas Creighton and Mary McGary was born on 4 th November 1885 and not 1882 which you originally gave.
Regards
Sandra
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Oooohhhhh, I'm going to make a phone call tomorrow to a priest in Roscommon who may be able to confirm the birth date for me, I'm only wasting your time otherwise, so sorry, you did find Edward though - right?
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Hi Fran,
Just one more peculiar thing. Looking at reply 1 - quoted a family tree with a death date of February 1964. Looking at the death record for Thomas Creighton in February 1964 - the birth date shown is 8 November 1882 ???
Thomas Creighton. Born 8 November 1882 abd Died february 1964
Last Residence: Illinois
SSN issued: Illinois (Before 1951)
Regards
Sandra
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That's got to be him so, that family tree have not checked their birth date, does that happen, you're a diamond
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Not sure if this route would help you - it was a suggestion made on another thread when someone was having difficulty finding the parents.
If you have trouble obtaining the birth certificate, then an alternative way of finding out the parents' names would be to order the SS-5 (application for an SSN).
http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/
- if you can find it here, click the little icon that looks like an envelope and it will create a letter you can send off.
I don't think we are allowed to put Social Security Numbers on here so I will send by pm - just incase it is an option and you wish to take that route.
Regards
Sandra
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That's got to be him so, that family tree have not checked their birth date, does that happen, you're a diamond
The number of family tree entries that have no sources or wrong information is quite incredible sometimes.
Would be lovely to think this is your Thomas and I hope the Priest in Roscommon will be able to help you with the birth date.
Wishing you the very best of luck and if you can spare a minute, would love to know the outcome.
Thank You
Sandra
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Will do
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This is the 1910 Family Thomas was with in Chicago Ward 34, Cook, Illinois
Thomas Creighton 50 Marriage 1 for 21 years. Immigrated 1891. NA. Proprietor. Saloon.
Mary Creighton 42 Immigrated 1885
Andrew Creighton 20 Born Illinois. Clerk. Wholesale House.
Mary Creighton 18 Born Illinois. telephone Opeator. Telephone Company.
Thomas Creighton 14 Born Illinois
Michael Creighton 6 Born Illinois
Thomas Creighton 24 Immigrated 1906. PA
Joseph Donohue 24 Boarder
Michael Gara 23 Born Ireland. Cousin. Immigrated 1906. PA
Regards
Sandra
Hello Fran,
Taking a look at Michael Gara who was also described as a cousin on that 1910 Census - maybe he might lead you somewhere ??? (you never know !!) According to his WW1 Draft - the name is Michael Joseph Gara. Born 4 th August 1887 Roscommon. Ireland. Single. Alien. Residing 2113 Sheffield Avenue. Chicago. Illinois. Occupation:- Motorman for Chicago Surface. He is tall. stout with blue/grey eyes and dark brown hair. No distinguishoing marks. Dated 5 th June 1917
On the WW2 Draft - Michael Joseph Gara born Roscommon 5 th August 1887 (one day different) and residing 7457 Rockwell Street. Chicago. Has a wife Catherine Gara. Self employed tavern owner at 1951 Milwaukee Avenue. Chicago. Cook. Illinois.
On the Naturalization Card he is Michael Joseph Gara (O'Gara) living at 1234 Eddy Street. He arrived in the US on the 9th November 1907. Naturalized 3 Dec 1920. The names and addresses of witnesses don't give any clues - the names were:- Thomas J Ahern and Patrick Cassidy.
No clues yet !!!
Regards
Sandra
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The 1907 passenger list is under Michael Gare. Born about 1886 Drozheda and aged 21 years.
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and arrived in New York on 9 Nov 1907 on the Lusitania.
Last residence Ashton-In-Makerfield. England. Brother Thomas Gare. Ashton-In-Makerfield. Going to brother Dominick Gare. Larkhall. Arkansas.
Was really hoping to identify his parents but no such luck - only 2 brothers !!
Regards
Sandra
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i just sent a reply and it didn't seem to come through. 1 have 3 creighton trees that i am trying to tie in together, 1 of them being mine. on one of the other trees i do have a Michael Creighton (1823 - 1915) married to Anne Gara (1832 - ?) who had a son Thomas born 1852.
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Sandra, from iPhone so I'll be brief - Internet still down, Thomas did have a brother Michael but he was my grandad and stayed in Ireland so it's nit him, that's sad though - winder if he's related
I was wrong Sandra - I thought we were talking about Thomas 1882 being murdered but it was Thomas 1860 - he did have brother Michael - as death cert testifies. I found the death cert, Thomas Creighton, Ireland, signed by Michael Creighton, brother, Name of father is Thomas.
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Michael Creighton and Anna O'Gara are familiar because I looked at a death record yesterday for another son Andrew Joseph Creighton born 10th March 1860 Langhalyam. Ireland and who died in Cook. Illinois 2 November 1932. So that is interesting.
All you can do is document as much evidence as you can for the Creighton family and that might mean going back one further generation to see where the links may be coming from - there seem to be so many of them in Illinois - all seeming to use similar names which makes life difficult. So could Michael Creighton 1823 be a brother of Andrew Creighton in your line ?
Think I saw the birth record for your Thomas Creighton as 1852 to Andrew Creighton and Marie Mannion.
Regards
Sandra
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Thomas 1852 to Andrew and mannion isn't mine, he's the one who married Tarpey - I have a feeling that records have been transcribed or deciphered incorrectly because he's shown in 1910 census as being born in 1860. I am going to document all my dates and known facts over weekend. I have no choice :(:(:(
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Are beta and pilot search both the same - if not which is more accurate
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Should be the same really, allowing for human error !! Yes, Sorry I was on the phone and multi-tasking - yours was Thomas and Mary McGarry. Going through the names in my head that I was looking through yesterday. ;)
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I think they are phasing out the Beta/Pilot family searches in favor of this one - https://www.familysearch.org/ I liked the search options on the Pilot one better than the new format, but sometimes I've gotten results that say the actual images are no longer available on the Pilot site.
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I tend to agree with that Shelly - especially when the beta site says "the following results don't strongly match what you searched for, but may be of interest" and bingo its exactly what you asked for !!
The marriage record that I have seen for Thomas Creighton to Mary Tarpey did'nt mention parents - have you come across one that does ? Ages can be out on Census but according to the 1900 Census Thomas (Age 39 years) was born October 1860 and it was consistant that in 1910 he was 50 years old. The death entry showed him as aged 44 years which would have made his birth date 1872 ???
So 2 Thomas Creighton born 1852 - 1 to Andrew Creighton and Maria Mannion and 1 to Michael Creighton and Anna Gara both in Roscommon.
Regards
Sandra
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re: tarpey marriage, i have one somewhere but i will have to check my files, not sure if hard copy or on pc at work.
i thought of something else, i need to check 1911 census for creighton mcgarry to see how many children they had and how many still living.. never thought that thomas 1882 may have been still born and they named a following child thomas.
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1911 irish census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Roscommon/Faireymount/Leitrim/764658/
looks like 8 born 8 still living.
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Tarpey marriage - no parents on cert - written notes from relation that parents were Andrew who married Maria mannion, Thomas who married Tarpey had brother Michael who married ann gill. Tarpey marriage on 15th April 1889 he aged 30
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Michael Creighton (Proprietor of Liquor Business and brother of Thomas who was murdered) was married to Margaret Gorman in 1910. The Census states he had been marriage 1 for 3 years - see reply 14. ??? 22 nd June 1906 Chicago. Cook. Illinois.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0crt/
Regards
Sandra
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On the 1910 Census Michael's immigration date was 1883. Have found an entry on www.castlegarden.org for a Michael Creighton aged 19 years - labourer - travelling on the Wisconsin - Country of Birth :- England ??? but it unfortunately does'nt give any further details. :(
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0crv/
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I have marriage cert in front of me now for Thomas Creighton, aged 30, married Mary (Maria) Tarpey, her age looks like 20, on 15th april 1889, makes him thomas creighton 1860 and the one that thomas 1886 is with along with cousin gara in 1910.
if i understand correctly, that this thomas, husband of tarpey is the one that was murdered then his dates don't match. murdered on april 1916 aged 44 gives birth year of 1872!! am i missing something or just totally confusing you :(, sorry
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Hello Fran,
Have taken 2 asprins and had a lie down in a dark room ;) (Only joking)
The marriage date for Thomas and Mary Tarpey is 28th April 1889. Thomas was 30 years old and Maria 24 years according to this entry
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0crw/
The death entry may be an error, after all, the other details of him being a bartender and shot in his brothers saloon, newspaper reports etc all fit with the 1910 Census details of addresses etc.,
Could have made himself a little younger to impress the younger wife. Really the birth date should be 1852 if he is the son of Andrew and Maria. Not uncommon for men to reduce there age !!
Regards
Sandra
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i found on family search the following: -
thomam creighton
male
baptism / christening - 28 Oct 1852
father's name Andreae Creighton
Mother's name - Mariae Manion
seems to be transcribed in Latin.
but - and i am sorry to do this - Thomas death cert says that his father's name was Thomas Creighton, mother's maiden name unknown (wouldn't take too much notice of that though). how much do you hate me now :(
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Hello Fran,
Yes, thats why I have been trying to look at all the other Creightons because nothing is tying in so far - there was a Thomas Creighton married to a Catherine Ford but I could'nt find a birth for a Thomas to tie him to them - only a Michael T born 1862, Some of the Thomas Creighton and Catherine Ford children were in Illinois ???
Regards
Sandra
ADDED:- Unfortunately I have now found a Thomas born to that couple in Mayo but 1868 - under Creaton !!
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I knew I could redeem myself :) from IFHF Webiste, someone got this for me and i found it among my souveniers lol
Thomas Cretan married Mary McGarry in Frenchpark, co. roscommon in 1873. This is the father of thomas 1882 (as we will call him). Thomas who married mcgarry, his father was Edward. doesn't help in our thomas 1882 or thomas 1860 mystery but just wanted to let you know I am trying lol
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Ok. So is it worth investigating Edward Creighton/Creaton who married Marie Moffatt/Moffitt - a number of baptisms - RC Loughglynn. Roscommon. Ireland. ???
Regards
Sandra
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I think perhaps we should and give poor Thomas 1852 and Thomas 1882 a rest until our heads are clear I may be able to tie in Edward if I had more info, you're very kind to do this
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Hello Fran
Sorry to say but think the US angle is drawing a blank now - might be worth exploring earlier generations of Creighton family to make the links - you can always come back to this thread when you have further information.
Maidir le
n-éirí leat
Sandra ;)
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Sandra
Would you recommend a new post on IRISH board then for Edward? Thank you so much for your help, it has been insightful and i have tied down a good bit of info. You really don't know how much i appreciate it.
Fran
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New post on Roscommon board-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,526969.msg3817208.html
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Hi Fran,
I am interested in a connection you mentioned:
Michael Creighton (1823 - 1915) married to Anne Gara (1832 - ?) who had a son Thomas born 1852.
I trying to link my family tree to one of three Creighton's from the same area in Roscommon.
The above Michael Creighton - has been suggested to me by others as being the father and mother of my great grandmother Winifred Creighton who was married to Thomas Grogan.
As well as they having a son Thmas born 1852, they also had Jacob 1853, Roger 1857, Mary 1861, and Winifred 1862 (possibly my great-grandmother).
I had been leaning towards an Andrew Creighton who was married to Maria Mannion and among their children was another Winifred born 1861.
The third was Jacob Creighton who was married to Maria Sweeney and again there was a child born to them called Winifre in 1857.
So easy to get swayed from one to the other.
All three were in the Loughglynn area and were Roman Catholic entries.
There was also an Edward Creighton who married Mary Moffit and a Thomas Creighton who was married to a Catherine Ford, although neither were listed with a Winifred thank goodness or it would be even harder.
Obviously a very common name in the mid 19th centure in the area of Loghglynn and surrounding townlands and perhaps all cousins.
Going back one generation further you would possibly encounter a similar trend as the father's of these Creighton's quite possibly cousins also. Where does it end?
However, having said all of that, I would be very interested in any info you have on the above mentioned Michael Creighton and Anna Gara.
I found an Anna O'Gara born 20/3/1824 with a father Edmond O'Gara and mother Margaret McGlyn.
Also an entry for Griffith's Valuations for a Michael Creighton in the towland of Aghadrestan, civil parish of Tibohine, barony of Frenchpark, and poor law union of Castlerea.