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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: mum mum on Sunday 17 April 11 03:28 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I need some help, Elizabeth married John Chanter in South Australia in 1842, she must have been a widow as her name was BetseyParsons. Her children's birth certificates and death certificate show her as born in Devonshire, she is named as Elizabeth Chanter, late Parsons, nee Moore. No parents names are given.
She possibly married a Parsons in Devon before travelling to Australia, our South Australian records only go back to 1842, so I cannot find a death for him.
Can anyone find a birth at Rose Ash, or a marriage of Elizabeth Moore to Parsons please.
mum mum
Sorry, just modiefied this, had the years wrong.
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A James & Elizabeth MOOR(E) baptised a Mary MOOR at Rose Ash in 1794. 2.2 miles from Rose Ash is the parish of Bishop's Nympton, where a James & ELizabeth/Betty MOOR(E) baptised:
John 6 Mar 1796; James 4 Feb 1798; Elizabeth 3 Feb 1799; Ann 20 Feb 1803 and Thomas 3 Sep 1809. Is ELizabeth 1799 too old for your Betty?
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Hi
I think that is too old to be her,. Her last child was born in 1857, her age was given as 43 in 1860 when she died. I'm guessing she may have put her age down a few years when she remarried but not by that much.
mum mum
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In that case, the easiest :) way to trace her birth is to obtain the Devon FHS baptism index for the surname MO*R* (to allow for spelling variants). It's very cheap and can be done online. This will cover nearly all MOORE baptisms 1813-1839 in Devon. She wasn't baptised at Rose Ash though as far as I can see from the IGI index. Go to http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/indexes.htm for details.
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Hi,
Thanks for the link, I have asked for a quote as you suggested, will wait and see.
mum mum
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Just got the quote, for MO*R* Baptisms, 36 pound, so I might forget that line of enquiry, thanks anyway.
mum mum
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Try asking for a quote for M*RE and M*R - it should be chepaper - I forgot that you would also pick up names like MORELAND, MOREHOUSE etc by asking the other way. Cost should only be about £6.
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Hi,
Thanks, I will ask for another quote, I also got some extra help from some Australian rootschatters and found an arrival in South Australia that I had missed.
Elizabeth could have arrived her in 1840 aboard the 'Java' with husband Richard Parsons and twins, husband and one of the twins died soon after.
So I am now looking for a marriage of Richard Parsons and Elizabeth Moore in Devon.
mum mum
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Were the twins named Henry & James? If so, their birth was registered in Honiton district September qtr 1837 vol 10 page 102.
I've just looked at the Java 1840 passenger list http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1840Java-PassengerLists.htm - this might be relevant:
Embark. No.3546 JOHN CHANTER
Applicant No.5255 19/06/39 Chanter, John
wife & child Chisholm, John;
John CHANTER, wife Ann (died soon after arrival),
son William Dennis
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Hi Deborah,
Here is what we found in Australia. Burials for a father and son - Both named Richard.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,527911.0.html
I thought with the deaths he seemed the likely husband for Elizabeth but I have had no joy from the Devon side. No luck with a marriage, nor can I find Richard with a twin brother to fit. I will have to check the application for free travel when I am next at the library to make sure both boys are aged 2 months and see if there is a residence listed.
I see William Dennis CHANTER was registered in Bideford. The travel applications are following numbers.
Cheers Kris :)
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OK, now we're getting somewhere. A John & Frances CHANTER baptised a William CHANTER 24 Jan 1819 at Bideford, father a labourer. They also baptised John CHANTER at Littleham nr. Bideford 4 Jun 1815.
John CHANTER married Frances ANDREW at Bideford 21 March 1803.
Out of curiosity, why Mum Mum do you think Elizabeth was from Rose Ash?
Also noted - the PARSONS twins were described as 2 months old when they arrived in Feb 1840, so they must have been born during the voyage.
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Hi Deborah,
Afraid not :-[ The age was provided when they applied for free travel, not when they arrived in SA. William Dennis CHANTER appears in the Jun 1/14 1839 Bideford. (He was one month old at time of application) I would expect these boys should have appeared then also. I will check the original in case one was 2 years not 2 months. It didn't actually say twins. That was the word I used. It said boy 2 months, boy 2 months. The original should give us an address from the application.
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi,
Thanks both of you for looking, the reason I have put rose Ash is because someone else has it in their family tree, not a good reason I know. Everything I have on her only mentions 'Devon' I am thinking that perhaps the South Australian marriage certificate has Rose Ash on it. I am quite willing to consider anwhere else in Devon though, I did find a marriage record on Ancestry for a Richard Parsons marriage in Bideford Devon in 1838, I could find no corresponding record for Elizabeth though. annoying because the Moore name is used throughout this woman's family with John Chanter but I can't pin down her parents or place of birth.
As you have seen John Chanter went on to marry again and found something of a dynasty in Victoria and NSW, his second marriage again using the wifes maiden name in the boys names.
mum mum
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G'Day mum mum, Any breakthrough re the heritage of Elizabeth Moore (Parsons/Chanter). I am a descendent of Elizabeth Moore and John Chanter and am curious if there is any records or Elizabeth, Betsey etc birth, parents, marriage in Devon?
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G'Day mum mum, Any breakthrough re the heritage of Elizabeth Moore (Parsons/Chanter). I am a descendent of Elizabeth Moore and John Chanter and am curious if there is any records or Elizabeth, Betsey etc birth, parents, marriage in Devon? Hi John, I have been meaning to contact you. I have wuite a bit of info on your family. If we can arange for you to visit the Granya Pioneer Museum I should be able to help you.
I have tried to contact you on Twitter but got no reply. @mckinj
Mum mum
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Government Records Office
birth
PARSONS, Ephraim mothers maiden name MOORE
1839 Jan Quarter in The Bideford Union Volume 10 / Page 46
PARSONS, Manasseh mothers maiden name MOORE
1839 Jan Quarter in The Bideford Union Volume 10 / Page 46
death
PARSONS, John (age) 86
1839 March Quarter in The Bideford Union Volume 10 / Page 41