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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: macwillscohux on Tuesday 19 April 11 10:50 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I'm looking for the death notice of Elizabeth HUXLEY nee Perkins.
She is listed below in my GF's wedding transcript.
From what I have learned she died sometime in the 1930's .
I'm trying to find out any information on my GF's parents as we know nothing of them. We are unsure if they were his birth parents, and am trying to see if he appears on their death transcripts.
There are a couple of names that match on NSW BDM but the years seem wrong.
I was very fond of my GF and any information would be greatly appreciated.
1939
JACK LINDSAY HUXLEY
STATUS -BACHELOR
PLACE OF BIRTH -SYDNEY NSW
OCCUPATION -LABOURER
AGE -27
USUAL RESIDENCE -CAMP STREET FORBES NSW
FATHER -THOMAS HUXLEY (DECEASED)
OCCUPATION -LABOURER
MOTHER -ELIZABETH PERKINS (DECEASED)
Thanks for taking the time to read my post,
Macwillscohux
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It may be worth requesting a lookup for Jack Lindsay HUXLEY birth details c1912. Some chatters have resources for births in NSW to 1918. Just to make sure the parents' names are correct.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Cando,
Thanks for the quick reply. I will do that, not sure if he was born Huxley but worth a try.
Many thanks
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By any chance do you know where she died?
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I don't know for sure, he used to travel back to sydney when he lived at Forbes during the late 20's 30's
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Hi
There are 2 Elizabeth Huxley deaths on NSW BDM online in the 1930s
Do you know her parents' names?
The one at Dubbo seems most likely, given that you say Jack used to travel down from Forbes a lot. to Sydney (Dubbo would be on the way). Though Lithgow is also on the road to Sydney from Forbes or Dubbo (over the Blue Mountains), but Dubbo is closer to Forbes.
14797/1931 HUXLEY ELIZABETH J father WILLIAM P mother JANE LITHGOW
18179/1932 HUXLEY ELIZABETH A father WALTER J mother ELIZABETH A DUBBO
Dawn M
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Sorry, but to get to Sydney from Forbes and vice versa, it would be unlikely to travel via Dubbo, as that would be adding around nearly 200 miles extra to the journey. (Dubbo is north north west of Forbes, Sydney is almost due east of Forbes). Usual route in 1930's by road would be Forbes, Parkes, Orange, Bathurst, Lithgow, Katoomba, Penrith, Sydney. If by train, then insert Blayney as well. If Dubbo to Sydney, then Dubbo, Wellington, Orange, Bathurst, Lithgow or Dubbo, Wellington, Mudgee, Lithgow, etc .... doubtful if anyone would go Dubbo, Parkes, Forbes, Eugowra, Orange, Bathurst, Lithgow ... unless intending to spend up to four more hours on the road. Rail link did not connect Dubbo and Forbes either ...
If a death occurred in Forbes, then it should be registered as at Forbes. Henry Lawson (the poet) well his birth was registered at Forbes way back in 1867 ...
1937 NSW Electoral Roll John Huxley, Club House Hotel Forbes, labourer and back in 1903 the NSW Electoral roll has Frederick George Huxley on the Bogan Road, Forbes as a selector, and a Mary Huxley on the Bogan Road, at her domestic duties.
It is my understanding that it is possible that the returns for BDM from quite a number of central western townships in the pre WWII era may not have been received regularly by the NSW BDM Registrar General and that only limited attempts at reconciling the local registers with the Sydney register has been undertaken, ie... it is possible that the d.c. has been recorded at Forbes, but has not ever been lodged at the Sydney H.O. This also seems to be the case for Wagga, Young, Parkes, Peak Hill ... not all the clerical staff in the rural towns were full time employees devoted solely to recording bdm events, but were part timers attached to the sherrifs office or to the court houses etc.
If you think the death of Eliza/beth Huxley occurred in the Forbes District, have you considered contacting the Forbes Family Hisotry group, the last time I passed that way (on the way to Dubbo taking the long route of course with family touring central west places), the Forbes family history group were quite active with good records and plenty of space in the town library, next door to the court house and opposite a very pleasant park.
My notes show they had a PO box, perhaps it was this one http://home.westserv.net.au/~ffhg/ I notice they are transcribing death notices from their local newspapers, and are back to the 1940's
Cheers JM
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Thanks JM,
I live an hour from Forbes so I know the area well. I gained most of my information from the Forbes newspaper, which indicated he was a paid Rugby League player who travelled by train easch season to live and play in Forbes. There is an entry which says he lived at Stanmore at one point. That is also where I got the indication his mom was living there because he got injured and missed the oppurtunity to visit his mother when chosen in the country representative team that played in sydney.
His family is from Sydney not Forbes Im sure but his wires family are.
Thanks for helping with this one.
Mac
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Sorry JM and Mac
I was just generalising, not realising that Mac is a 'local'.
Would he have gone by train? Bus? Car? There were not as many roads in country NSW in the 1930s as there are today.
Also, think on this: The place where a death is registered is not necessarily where the person lived.
Could it be that on one trip, Elizabeth accompanied him and died on the way?
In which case Lithgow would be more likely.
Might be worth getting a partial transcript at least?
Dawn M
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Thanks Dawn,
I should have said that I was local shouldnt I :).
Train would have been the method and I actually remember the paper saying the Forbes football club paid for his board and train fare up and made mention that he was from Stanmore eg J. Huxley of Stanmore has been offered...to play at Forbes (Forbes Advocate). I may order a transcript to rule her out as that could be the case.
Im pretty certain he was from Sydney originally as he played with the Marickville juniors before making his way up the grades at Newtown. He and another player travelled to Forbes as paid players as, in those days, there was as much money in the bush as the city.
He returned to the city in 1941 to play for Wests.
The story in the paper on his marriage said that he was the son of the late Mr and Mrs T Huxley which indicates they were dead by 1939, but an earlier story (in 1934) "his shoulder injury has robbed him of a trip home to visit mother and partake in the city v country fixture" (Forbes Advocate 1934) as he missed out on a spot in the country team.
I really appreciate evryones help with this. He was a lovely man and I'd like to learn more about him and for my mother and aunty's sake as well.
Mac
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Mac, and all
Would you please check the Forbes Advocate re his marriage .... does it say where Mr & Mrs T Huxley were late of ... or just that they are deceased ...
Anyways, re Jack's parents ... here's my thoughts
Could these be the INDEX registrations for deaths of his parents..... Eliza HUXLEY with parents recorded as John and Ann, registered Marrickville district 1930 ref 18675 and Thomas HUXLEY with father recorded as Frederick William, registered at Redfern 1937 ref 6447 (Thomas was recorded as 77 years, and the death occurred at Little Bay, perhaps at the hospital there)...... From Electoral Rolls 1930 Thomas Huxley 109 Petersham Rd, Marrickville, no occupation 1936 John Lawson Huxley 109 Petersham Rd Marrickville, no occupation
1936 Thomas Huxley 11 Francis St Marrickville, no occupation 1936 Jack Huxley 8 Despointes St Marrickville a Clerk BUT also same address Catherine Imelda Huxley at home duties and theres a NSW BDM marriage indexed with Catherine being nee GRACE. 1937 Thomas Huxley, Cook Road, Marrickville (blank for occupation) ........
Would it be likely that Jack Lindsay Huxley in 1936 had not yet enrolled to vote? My late aunty born Jan 1912 is not found on the 1933 roll, nor the 1936 roll, but is found on 1937 roll. .......
Would it be likely that Thomas Huxley and John Lawson Huxley were related same address but at different years in the 1930's ....? Is there a clue in John Lawson Huxley’s initials (JLH same as Jack’s)
Cheers, JM (still clunky, but can read black keyboard on Kindle reader in daylight and hoping this post has some paragraph indentations etc to help make it readable).
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Also the 1934 article I read your extract, it seems Jack's mother lived in FORBES and thus he could not get back to Forbes to visit her because of his injury. I could be mistooken. Perhaps it was his Grandmother who lived in Forbes, or perhaps his birth mother.... Where was the city v country fixture in 1934 .... somewhere in Sydney so the RL could get a good gate return but where.... probably at Sydney Sports Ground, Moore Park, ........... SO was Jack living in Forbes in 1934 and couldn't get to Sydney OR was he living in Sydney and couldn't get to Forbes. .... I recall noting a John Huxley as a labourer in 1937 at one of the hotels in Forbes.... typical employment for footballers in that era.... cellarman or barman etc .... Clunky JM
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In the Forbes Advocate dated November 1939 it says 'the bridegroom is the only son of the late Mr and Mrs T. Huxley of Newtown'.
When he was injured in 1934 missing a trip 'home' to see mother, she wasnt living in Forbes - he was. The game was in Sydney but unsure of where it was played.
Back then if you played in the country you were eligible for selection for country regardless if you were form the city. Today its known as city v country 'origin' because city invaribly flogged country for many years because of the player pool in the city. An interesting fact is that when he did play against city the country boys won which didnt happen very often.
He could well have been the John Huxley at the Hotel as the club would have paid his board and found him some work. I know that he was a very hard worker even until his death in 1985 (he died selling drinks from a wheelbarrow that he pushed around the oval at Manildra during a semi final- hard work for a 73 year old).
I have ordered a transcript for Elizabeth J Huxley who died at Lithgow in 1931 to see if he is on the record, although the time frame dosent match up.
Thanks for all the help, you are wonderful people!!!
Mac
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Some information and some thoughts/questions
1917 Sands NSW Country Alpha Directory
B LINDSAY, chief draughtsman at the Lands Board, Forbes; Noting that on 1903 Electoral Roll there’s a Benjamin Lindsay at Forbes, occupation Draughtsman, and a Violet May Lindsay of Sheriff St Forbes, at her domestic duties. The Lands Office in Forbes may have been on corner of Sheriff St and Camp Street, facing Camp Street; and : Noting that a Violet M Lindsay’s 1919 death is INDEXED as registered at Newtown, with parents given names noted as Thomas and Elizabeth.
1925 Sands NSW Alpha
(previously noted TR Huxley at Tempe, here’s some more entries that may be of interest)
Huxley Bros, General Store, Manildra; G H Huxley, General Store, Molong; A R Perkins, 21 Woodcourt St,Marrickville; E J Perkins, 118 Petersham Rd, Marrickville; Mrs Eliza Perkins, 14 Fisher St, Petersham; Wm H Perkins, 66 Margaret St, Petersham
Do you know/suspect when / where Thomas Huxley married Elizabeth Perkins?
Was Jack an only child?
Have you contacted the Registrar for Marrickville Juniors RL to see if their records go back to the Depression years and if there’s any clues there.... (And same for the old Newtown RL club)....
When did Jack progress out of the Juniors into COLT competitions.... does that give indication of his then age? Do you know the origin of “Lindsay” as his middle name? .... could it be a clue to a surname from earlier generation/s?
Cheers from Clunky JM who has NOT yet found any evidence that the late Mr and Mrs T Huxley were of Newtown.... sorry ....
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Also, 1920 Sands Directory has a Thomas HUXLEY at Morts Rd, Mortdale ... Would that have been within the Marrickville Juniors RL catchment area ....
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Im currently in contact with people involved at Newtown who may be able to help. I have since learned that he played at Marrickville United age 15 (c 1927)before progressing through the grades at Newtown. Im sure this would mean he lived in the Marrickville area at the time.
Also still waiting on a death transcript of his possible mother.
Sorry for my absence, was quite busy over Easter etc.
Many thanks
Mac
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Fingers crossed the year of birth was 1911 ... cause then you only need wait until 1 Jan 2012 to order the b.c. or a transcript of it.... Do you know the exact date for cut off for 15 and under etc.... under 16's etc eg 1 October each year, or 1 July etc...
Cheers, JM
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Deaths & Burials at Manildra Cemetery:
HUXLEY Jack Lindsay age 73yrs d. 01/09/1985
HUXLEY Mary Euphemia age 81yrs d. 23/10/1994
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Elizabeth HUXLEY that died 1931 at Lithgow is buried alone at Lithgow Cemetery:
HUXTLEY E - 18/07/1931
Lithgow Cemetery
Denomination: Anglican
Section: Anglican 1
Row: 12A
Lot: 28
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Thanks merlin, the E. Huxley in Lithgow seems a bit early with the paper clippings I have.
They are my pop and nan that are buried in Manildra.
My mum and aunty are thinking hard about the little things he told them when he was alive. I think we might be on the verge of discovery. They are trying to remember his stepsisters name, once I know I will post it as it may help narrowing it done.
JM, as far as I know he was 15 yo playing with men. I was hoping it was 1911, fingers are crossed!
Hope easter was good to you all.
Mac
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It may be worth requesting a lookup for Jack Lindsay HUXLEY birth details c1912. Some chatters have resources for births in NSW to 1918. Just to make sure the parents' names are correct.
There is no birth registered for a Jack HUXLEY up until 1918 with the parents names of Thomas & Elizabeth.
Thanks for the quick reply. I will do that, not sure if he was born Huxley but worth a try.
Do you have any other surnames you suspect other than HUXLEY?
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Thanks merlin, the E. Huxley in Lithgow seems a bit early with the paper clippings I have.
The burial of Elizabeth HUXLEY at Lithgow I posted was in regards to your reply in post #12:
"I have ordered a transcript for Elizabeth J Huxley who died at Lithgow in 1931 to see if he is on the record, although the time frame dosent match up".
You can also contact the Lithgow Cemetery & ask for further details they have on her burial.
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Sorry Merlin, I was all messed up there! Although the time frame dosent seem to line up, I have ordered it anyway. Thankyou for looking for me.
The only other surname for Jack Huxley I can think would be Perkins? Perhaps he was born John. I have often wondered about the Lindsay part of his name, perhaps a grandparent last name?
Iam at a loss at the moment and appreciate all the help :)
Many thanks