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Title: Sarah Place
Post by: banehawi on Monday 25 April 11 15:45 BST (UK)
Im looking for information on Sarah Place, Islandbridge, which was a collection of tenements replaced in the late 1960's with the existing flats.

I have heard they were called Sarah's Cottages at one time, and were used to house soldiers and horses originally.

I can find no reference to the place online in any resource, - they were possibly outside the city limits, - or belonged to another parish with a different name.

What Im interested in is their history, and how and when they became tenements availabel to the general population.


regards


Willie Baneham,

Toronto, Canada
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 25 April 11 16:23 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat but where is Islandbridge?
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: jim1 on Monday 25 April 11 19:13 BST (UK)
The only one I can find is Island bridge (formally Sarah bridge) across the Liffey.Yes it's in Dublin,had British Army houses there apparently.

jimj
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: banehawi on Monday 25 April 11 23:46 BST (UK)
Sorry, - its in Dublin, Ireland.

I did find the same references to Sarah Bridge, and an old photo, - which is of the bridge right beside where these tenements were.

I will be in Dublin for a week beginning of June and will go to the city archives to see what I can dig up. Ive always found it so strange that this place seems to be non existent on the Web, though many people libed there for many years, and the location was eventually condemned by the Dublin Corporation on mid 1960's with a lot of the residents re housed in Arbour Hill, as St Bricins Park.


Thanks all,


regards


Willie
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 25 April 11 23:51 BST (UK)
Thanks for confirming the location- will move this to Dublin board  :)
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Taidquest on Tuesday 26 April 11 04:51 BST (UK)
Hi,Sarah place was listed as being in the new Kilmainham ward on the 1901 and 1911 census.It was in St James parish although that church is  a distance away on  the south side of the River Liffey,both are in the postal district of Dublin 8. Sarah place faced the phoenix park on Conyngham Road/Chapelizod road just before the turning to cross Island bridge(formerly Sarah Bridge).I have heard it said that the original buildings were soldiers houses(not cottages that I know of).I'm not sure at the moment when exactly they were built.There is an archive of old photos online too if I can find the link again.
                                                                                                             Anne
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: myluck! on Tuesday 26 April 11 18:04 BST (UK)
https://stillslibrary.rte.ie/indexplus/result.html

There are several photos here in the RTE library
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: banehawi on Thursday 28 April 11 17:29 BST (UK)
Thank you soooo much for that RTE link, - its terrific, - memory lane for me.

I did see the references in the Census, and actually knew one person listed in the Census at 9 years of age who was an old lady when I was a kid.


Regards


Willie
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: myluck! on Thursday 28 April 11 21:09 BST (UK)
You are very welcome Glad it was of interest
This archive is a forgotten resource I think
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: banehawi on Friday 29 April 11 00:09 BST (UK)
Ive looked closely at the photos, - and Im quite sure my father, myself and my sister are in one, the one with a man and six children. He didnt own all the kids, - I have ordered a print to see it better, - but what a find if it is!


regards


Willie
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Taidquest on Friday 29 April 11 01:03 BST (UK)
I'm delighted that  'Myluck' found the link and that you enjoyed seeing the photos and then to find that photo.Great result for you.It certainly was a  great community in times past, I would also recognise a lot of the surnames listed on both census.I'll bet you remember the expression 'Flag alley' too.
                                                                  Anne
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: whacker on Tuesday 28 June 11 21:15 BST (UK)
Thank you soooo much for that RTE link, - its terrific, - memory lane for me.

I did see the references in the Census, and actually knew one person listed in the Census at 9 years of age who was an old lady when I was a kid.


Regards


Willie
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: joxer1901 on Saturday 22 November 14 00:51 GMT (UK)
Hi Willie,

I have lots of family connections to Sarah Place and Islandbridge since 1875. Would there be any chance that your name might be Bailham and not Baneham. Who is the lady you remember from the census? There is a dearth of photographs on-line for Sarah Place, however I can share what family photos I have if they may be of interest to you.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: hotlips on Sunday 18 January 15 20:54 GMT (UK)
My grandparents John and Catherine Brady were listed as resident in Sarah Place in the 1911 census. My grandfather was ex RIC and I am trying to find the date of either of their deaths in order to locate their graves. I have requested cessation of pension date from Records Office Kew but so far unavailable. Any help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 18 January 15 22:04 GMT (UK)
My grandparents John and Catherine Brady were listed as resident in Sarah Place in the 1911 census. My grandfather was ex RIC and I am trying to find the date of either of their deaths in order to locate their graves. I have requested cessation of pension date from Records Office Kew but so far unavailable. Any help would be appreciated.

Here are John & Catherine in the 1911 census-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/New_Kilmainham/Sarah_Place/58503

Have you searched the online civil registration index for their deaths? (goes up to 1958)
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1408347
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: myluck! on Monday 19 January 15 11:38 GMT (UK)
Hotlips

in your research about your grandparents may I question your details
are you sure they are the couple that lived in Sarah Place in 1911?
There is no reference to the RIC on this record which is often made

if not, are you sure that John BRADY was ex-RIC?

If you are not 100% sure that the Sarah Place couple are correct, have you looked at this family
John, Catherine and BRADY family on 1901 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003691121/) at 1.6 in Upper Dorset Street (Rotunda, Dublin)

Catherine BRADY and four children on 1911 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000092185/) at 5 in Allen Terrace (Arran Quay, Dublin)
The names of the children should correspond to your parent, aunts and uncles if correct.

This John BRADY ex RIC died Nov 29 1906 with a possible burial in Glasnevin
Catherine BRADY nee DEVEREUX died Dec 28 1916 also with a possible burial in Glasnevin

Apologies if a complete red herring
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: hotlips on Monday 19 January 15 22:04 GMT (UK)
Thank you very much Aghadowey and My Luck .
 The Sarah Place search appears to be incorrect but I was always told it was correct and that my uncle Patrick inherited ownership of property there and that it had a nickname  (Bradys Brass Castle).
I am puzzled about this but the Allen Terrace and Upper Dorset Street appear to be correct.
Unfortunately Glasnevin records didn't throw up any information.
Thanks again.
   
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 19 January 15 22:16 GMT (UK)
There might be a Brady connection to Sarah Place but at a different date.

Daughetr Elizabeth Margaret listed in 1901 census- here's a birth 1881 Co. Longford (mother Catherine Devereaux)-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG2Z-7XV
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: myluck! on Monday 19 January 15 22:34 GMT (UK)
don't forget there may be more than one John BRADY in the RIC at about the same time

in case the Allen Tce/Dorset St family prove correct

John BRADY (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYQT-BML) m Catherine DEVEREUX (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYQY-HYM) in 1878 Dublin

As per 1911 census they had 9 children
1 1879 Joseph James (https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A%22joseph%20james%22~%20%2Bsurname%3Abrady~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Alongford~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1879-1879~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Ajohn~%20%2Bfather_surname%3Abrady~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Acatherine~) Longford
2 1881 Elizabeth Margaret (https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A%22elizabeth%20margaret%22~%20%2Bsurname%3Abrady~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Alongford~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1881-1882~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Ajohn~%20%2Bfather_surname%3Abrady~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Acatherine~) Longford
3 1882 John Mathew  (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBW1-JJ3)
4 1884 Jane Catherine  (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBCQ-RWY) Carrick-on-shannon
5 1887 Peter (b. Co. Westmeath according to census but too many entries to match) baptism on rootsireland.ie
6 1888 Patrick (b. Co. Westmeath according to census but too many entries to match) baptism on rootsireland.ie
7 1893 James Henry b. 13.Sep.1893; bap. 20.Sep.1893 (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/bb3d340127342); d. probable death 1898 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTDG-YJC) with probable burial in Glasnevin Cemetery
8 ?
9 ?
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: hotlips on Tuesday 20 January 15 21:13 GMT (UK)
Thanks again Aghadowey and My Luck, your information has been invaluable and has directed me to my grandparents. Now I must carry on to find  their burial place. I figure Glasnevin is the place so I will continue to search their records.
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Willie Baneham on Friday 03 July 15 19:56 BST (UK)
Had forgotten about the site, sorry. The lady I remember was Josie Eiffe (eef sounded like). I dont remember brady, but the name is baneham, and the house number 31. The census shows another family there way before us, and I belive we moved in there around 1950/51. I have confirmed also that the images on RTE are indeed of me and my Dad in his CIE uniform, and my sister.

I also saw in the Pearse Street library a map showing the location as a british army barracks and stables at one time, but nothing at all showing their conversion to tenement dwellings, who owned them, when they were condemned and demolished, etc. Strange. Its great to have the pics though.
I uploaded one image, I am the little kid facing to the right, my little sister behind me, and my dad looking at the camera, about 1954
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: chiddicks on Wednesday 06 July 16 16:23 BST (UK)
what a find this website is my Nan was resident in Sarah Place in 1917
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: campiom on Monday 11 July 16 22:56 BST (UK)
This from the Irish Independent newspaper of the 30th Dec 1916

“Brady-December 28 1916 at 3 Monck Place, Phibsboro: Catherine, relict of the late John Brady (ex R.I.C. Troop): deeply regretted by her sorrowing family. R.I.P. Funeral from Berkeley Street, R. C. Church after 10 o'clock Mass on to-morrow (Sunday). 31st inst., to Glasnevin.”
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Rayners on Sunday 22 January 17 12:49 GMT (UK)
Hi, I have just come across this today by chance,and don't know if it is still current. My uncle,and then my father had the athletes rest pub in Sarah place. I have some great memories of my early childhood there,Mikey& Josie Eife, Joe & Mrs Curran who had the shop,also rolling the barrel of Guinness up the alley in the photo. We moved to Dundrum when Sarah place was knocked down,and I run the Dundrum house. I have a couple of photos of the athletes rest,which I think are from the forties but not sure.
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: chiddicks on Friday 03 February 17 16:12 GMT (UK)
Hi Rayners,

My family the Daniels lived in Sarah Place for a long time don't know if you remember the name or not??


Hi, I have just come across this today by chance,and don't know if it is still current. My uncle,and then my father had the athletes rest pub in Sarah place. I have some great memories of my early childhood there,Mikey& Josie Eife, Joe & Mrs Curran who had the shop,also rolling the barrel of Guinness up the alley in the photo. We moved to Dundrum when Sarah place was knocked down,and I run the Dundrum house. I have a couple of photos of the athletes rest,which I think are from the forties but not sure.
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Jenny Brady on Wednesday 22 February 17 20:09 GMT (UK)
Hot lips John Brady and Catherine Devereux are my family too. Where are you located?
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: fabfamilyTree on Friday 24 November 17 13:16 GMT (UK)
Hi have just found this site, whilst searching for Sarah Place, fantastic to see pictures of how it used to be. I visited there this summer with my aunt, who remembered visiting
It is still called Sarah Place but different buildings
My gran, Christina Catherine Keogh (married name O'Grady)was born on 11 June 1903 at
25 Sarah Place, Island Bridge Dublin she had a few siblings including Mary Anne Keogh (married name O'Grady), her father was Michael, he was an army man, WW1 Her mother was Elizabeth.
I can't find any sign of them or Sarah Place on the 1911 Census
The Lee family also lived there, neighbours..possibly related
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Sinann on Friday 24 November 17 13:34 GMT (UK)
Sarah Place 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/New_Kilmainham/Sarah_Place/

Have you checked births of later siblings to see if the family moved, even for a while.

Oh and Welcome to RootsChat
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: fabfamilyTree on Friday 24 November 17 13:46 GMT (UK)
Thanks, I have searched several times, I'm pretty sure I've found the family living at Ushers Quay in 1901 census, which is before my gran was born. I have her birth certificate and it clearly states her birth and family address as Sarah Place and my aunt remembers visiting family there long after 1911 yet in the 1911 census I cannot find them.  It was great to find images of Sarah Place on the RTE archive site via this site Will be sharing with the family :-)
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Sinann on Friday 24 November 17 13:56 GMT (UK)
People moved around a lot, I see several birth for siblings at 25 Sarah Place but also this one in 1912
Catherine at 3 O'Neills Court
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01474/1600508.pdf
She looks like another sister does she fit with what you know of the family.
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Sinann on Friday 24 November 17 14:04 GMT (UK)
Also is this a sister, given that their mother was a Clarke
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/New_Kilmainham/Sarah_Place/58565/

Mary Anne birth 1899 24 Earl St.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02041/1781919.pdf
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: fabfamilyTree on Friday 24 November 17 14:28 GMT (UK)
oh wow!! The niece will be my aunts mum, Mary Anne! While we were visiting Sarah Place in the summer she told me a story that her mum, Mary Anne had a fall while she was staying there and the cut got gangrene... and when her dad found out he brought her back to live with them..I think the rest of family had moved by then to James St, which is where my mum was born, so I think the grandparents and newly weds possibly lived together. I am trying to piecen all the pictures I have together to make a family history book for Christmas. So am now looking for archive images to set the scene. Very time consuming :-) but very interesting
You are very good at this!!
So just in case..Keogh siblings were   b)1897 Eliza, b)1899 John b)1900-1993 Mary Anne b) 1903- 1974 Christina Catherine
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: fabfamilyTree on Friday 24 November 17 14:47 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much, although I am now confused, because on that certificate it looks like the name of Mary Anne's  mother is called Esther or similar, but the mother of my gran, Christina Catherine is definitely called Elizabeth Keogh (nee Clarke (b 1871)..
Although the DOB for Mary Anne is 1899 and I have it as about 1900 so that fits. I wonder if Mary Anne's mother died and then he married a sister and had my gran.. I guess it's time to look up the Clarke family and see if they had two daughters... or is it possibly just an error ? For now I have to get on with my image search, but thank you so much for the finds you have sent me and for enabling me to access sites I had not found  :-)
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Sinann on Friday 24 November 17 14:58 GMT (UK)
I did notice the difference in the mother's name however John born 1900 Sarah Place also has the mother ad Esther
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01986/1764918.pdf

She may have gone by both.

Elizabeth when she was getting married
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1897/10472/5813602.pdf

Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: myluck! on Friday 24 November 17 15:46 GMT (UK)
just tidying Sinann's work and added a bit more...

Michael KEOGH m Esther CLARKE m. Oct 3 1897 St. James LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1897/10472/5813602.pdf)

on 1901 census LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/New_Kilmainham/Sarah_Place/1269408/) at house 19.3 in Sarah Place (New Kilmainham, Dublin) with children
Jun 04 1900 John LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01986/1764918.pdf)
Mar 23 1899 Mary Anne LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02041/1781919.pdf)

Then they had
Jun 11 1903 Christina Catherine LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01860/1724802.pdf)

Dec 07 1907 Christopher LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01667/1664128b.pdf)
Possible death on Apr 16 1912 aged 5 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1912/05366/4496360.pdf) based on 1911 census find at same street

Michael and Esther/Elizabeth and their family on 1911 census LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Usher_s_Quay/Hanbury_Lane/71909/)
at house 28.2 in Hanbury Lane (Usher's Quay, Dublin)
Mary Anne (110, John (10), Christina (9) and Christopher (4)
The family name is KEOUGH

and possibly then
Dec 22 1912 Catherine Christina LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01474/1600508.pdf)

You refer to a child named Eliza born in 1897 - I haven't located her and also note that the 1911 census refers to the couple having had four children of which all were alive
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: fabfamilyTree on Friday 24 November 17 16:01 GMT (UK)
Goodness! Thank you so much .. I now have the details of their wedding and the name of both of their fathers.. both John
Strange about the mother's name, but it does seem that it is the same person,  I think I have seen Eliza being used for the mother sometimes too.. but  it looks more like Esther.
For now though .. I can't thank you enough
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: fabfamilyTree on Friday 24 November 17 16:05 GMT (UK)
Oh my!!! You guys are very very good! !!!!
I shall follow all the links and add more details to my tree. Feels like I have hit the jackpot...and thanks for the Keough heads up, probably explains my lack of progress. Thank you both very much

Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Sinann on Friday 24 November 17 16:39 GMT (UK)
I wonder has Mary Anne been counted twice in 1911, it can happen, unless she has a cousin of the same name perhaps.
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Sinann on Friday 24 November 17 17:07 GMT (UK)
There is a Rosanna Clarke as witness to the marriage of Michael and Elizabeth, she appears to be Elizabeth's sister,
Marriage 1907 from 25 Sarah Place to Henry Lee
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1907/10090/5670769.pdf

or looking at the census maybe a cousin, all this 25 Sarah Place is confusing, they all seem to live there at some stage.
1901 25 Sarah Place
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/New_Kilmainham/Sarah_Place/1269417/
but at number 19 there is a Rosey Clarke
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/New_Kilmainham/Sarah_Place/1269406/
both father's are John Clarke.
Looking again the 25 Sarah Place John is too young to be Elizabeth's father.
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: dathai on Friday 24 November 17 18:11 GMT (UK)
John Clarke and Catherine Gaffeny 1878
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11102/8063376.pdf

parents appear to be
John Clarke and Eliza Duff
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l32/

Samuel ?Gaffney and Anne McKean
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633565#page/65/mode/1up
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: fabfamilyTree on Friday 24 November 17 18:33 GMT (UK)
Phew ..incredible .. my family tree is growing fast.. a lot to look into.
Thank you for making the Lee connection there, I visited the grave of MAry Anne and her husband in the summer and then i was shown another grave, of Lee family, who my relative knew were in some way related, and on the stone is written In Loving Memory of our mother Rosanna Lee,  "25 Sarah Place, Island Bridge " Died 21st Dec 1965 .... We were not sure what the connection was, but you have just made it :-) Seems like they probably lived there until it was knocked down and rebuilt. It is very near Phoenix park and the river .
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Sinann on Friday 24 November 17 18:53 GMT (UK)
I can see Rosanna baptism, parent's as dathai has posted but this is a complex family so not entirely convinced she is Elizabeth's sister yet, but highly likely.

Rosanna' death cert informant her daughter Julia ?Gregeory?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1965/04238/4086202.pdf
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: dathai on Friday 24 November 17 19:20 GMT (UK)
number 33 Frederick Gregory
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1940/08835/5194623.pdf
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Sinann on Friday 24 November 17 19:27 GMT (UK)
Got her
Esther Clarke 1879
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02920/2069806.pdf

mmmm
need to see the original
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l36/
St.James doesn't go up to 1879
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0496

Edit,
This odd looking baptism is an earlier date than the birth cert. It is very common for baptism to be earlier than birth certs dates as people often fibbed on certs to avoid paying fine for late registration of births. Notice the birth wasn't registered until 13 May.
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: dathai on Friday 24 November 17 19:41 GMT (UK)
Rosanna 1881 ?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l37/
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: fabfamilyTree on Friday 24 November 17 20:00 GMT (UK)
Blimey I have expanded my family tree by many today ..sadly .I cannot, quite make Rosanna Lee nee Clarke fit, she has a brother Patrick , and her father is John but the years don't fit with either of the John Clarkes in my tree (currently) So I don't think she is a sibling of Esther/Elizabeth But she is definitely related somehow!  Seems to be a family thing adopting two names, my mum was both Sadie and Sarah and my sister also answers to two different names!
But for now I must temporarily ignore any further investigations and get back to making my family tree photo book....which for now is far more detailed So please don't think me rude if I don't respond to any more posts for a while. Thanks again everyone
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: dathai on Friday 24 November 17 20:10 GMT (UK)
These dont appear to be related
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/New_Kilmainham/Sarah_Place/1269417/

Peter born 1895 Dunshaughlin father in Dublin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02207/1833487.pdf

parents marriage 1892
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10643/5877761.pdf
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: dathai on Friday 24 November 17 21:12 GMT (UK)
Patrick Clarke and Mary Murphy 1909
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09975/5627026.pdf

daughter Ellen 1910 at Francis St
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01551/1627278.pdf

1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Merchant_s_Quay/Francis_St__/69163/

1901 with sister Rosey
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/New_Kilmainham/Sarah_Place/1269406/

Rosey/Rosanna 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Usher_s_Quay/Watling_St_/62198/
daughter Julia 1913
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01442/1590433.pdf
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Sinann on Friday 24 November 17 21:32 GMT (UK)
You've lost me dathai
I can't see the link between those records


Oh are you saying Patrick is a brother of Elizabeth and Rosanna?

Oh yes there was a Patrick on the Census as well as Rosey.

Sorry, bit slow me.
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Sinann on Friday 24 November 17 22:23 GMT (UK)
Thanks, I have searched several times, I'm pretty sure I've found the family living at Ushers Quay in 1901 census, which is before my gran was born.

I don't see a family that fits in Usher Quay in 1901.
The 1901 myluck found
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/New_Kilmainham/Sarah_Place/1269408/
Michael Keogh is born Louth and is a Green Grocer.
We didn't see Green Grocer or similar on any of the childrens births I think. (need to check that)
The 1911 Michael Keogh is born Dublin
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Usher_s_Quay/Hanbury_Lane/71909/
Needs a bit of checking.
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Sinann on Friday 24 November 17 23:27 GMT (UK)
her father was Michael, he was an army man, WW1 Her mother was Elizabeth.

Do you know if his army service records survives? It could have some useful information.
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: fabfamilyTree on Sunday 26 November 17 17:26 GMT (UK)
14 January 1864
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: fabfamilyTree on Sunday 26 November 17 17:28 GMT (UK)
Looks like he might have joined the Royal Innerskilling? Fuseliers in Dublin on or around 20 Oct 1882 I have a picture of him in uniform will try to attech
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 26 November 17 19:35 GMT (UK)
Are there any more pages, I was hoping there might be some family information, particularly his birthplace.
Also begs the question how do you know it's the correct Michael Keogh.

The photo is interesting, I think you should post it on the Armed Forces and the Photo Restoration boards.
The Armed Forces people would be able to tell quite a bit about the date from the Uniform and possibly the regiment from the cap badge on the younger man's cap, if I've picked up anything over the years here I think these are later WWI uniforms, the older man's uniform is I think a bit strange there is nothing on his cap and his buttons look plain, something not quite right about it to my eye, but I could be talking nonsense.
The photo restoration people would clean it up for you, get rid of all those marks.
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: fabfamilyTree on Sunday 26 November 17 20:03 GMT (UK)
Sadly no more pages, I found that doc on Ancestry, i followed  a hint and was then linked to him by my cousin's partner. I think had also hit a dead end with the Keogh's  The picture is definitely my mums grand dad because in her stuff, with other pix of him. Are there Armed forces pages here?
I am amazed by this site, but also very distracted I am trying to do a photo book for a family surprise, but it keeps expanding..
Found another one of him with medals
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: fabfamilyTree on Sunday 26 November 17 20:06 GMT (UK)
I have his dates as B 1864 D 1934
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 26 November 17 21:12 GMT (UK)
There are probably more pages but you would need a sub to Fold 3 to see them.
Lot of medals in the photo, again Armed Forces people could probably help put name to them although they would likely need a higher resolution scan
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: fabfamilyTree on Monday 27 November 17 15:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Sorry..I'm back ...Have just had a closer look at the links posted earlier by Dathai (Reply no.39 I can't find a way of replying, linked to actual  post ) Followed the links and found 2 similar but different ?marriage certs for a Clarke & Gaffney both 1878 both Sarah Place but different names and as one is in Latin I'm not entirely sure it is a wedding cert..but interested to hear if you think it is the same couple and if so , why the apparent difference in names?
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Sinann on Monday 27 November 17 16:21 GMT (UK)
The white one the Civil cert is the same as the one dathai posted.
The other is a Church record, that's why the first names are in Latin.
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Sinann on Monday 27 November 17 16:29 GMT (UK)
The church record
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633565#page/65/mode/1up
If you scroll across to the right you will see the witness names matching the civil cert but again first names are in Latin, plus the the date of June 2, it also confirms parents names as dathai found.
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: fabfamilyTree on Monday 27 November 17 20:12 GMT (UK)
Aha My Latin is .. minimal So the names are the same Thankyou
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: wavehopper on Sunday 10 December 17 15:58 GMT (UK)
Two posters, Willie Baneham and Rayners, mentioned the names of Mikey and Josie Eiffe. The Eiffes were living in the Park Place terrace at Islandbridge in the mid 1970s.
Would anybody be able to tell me about how old they were in the 70s? Would they have been elderly then?
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: dathai on Sunday 10 December 17 16:13 GMT (UK)
A Michael Christopher Eiffe was born 1902 at 11 Sarah Place to Andrew Eiffe and Rosanne Anderson
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01880/1731653.pdf
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: dathai on Sunday 10 December 17 16:33 GMT (UK)
https://www.myheritage.com/names/michael_eiffe

died 1975
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: wavehopper on Sunday 10 December 17 18:33 GMT (UK)
A Michael Christopher Eiffe was born 1902 at 11 Sarah Place to Andrew Eiffe and Rosanne Anderson
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01880/1731653.pdf

That's them then. I was thinking of trying to find the Eiffes to see if they remember my relative who (according to Thom's Directory) was their neighbour in Islandbridge in the 70s. You've saved me some wasted time, thank you!
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Willie Baneham on Sunday 15 July 18 22:48 BST (UK)
Whats the neighbours name.
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Willie Baneham on Sunday 15 July 18 22:51 BST (UK)
Re Athletes Rest. The Ryans owned it. If the person owning the pub in Dundrum could post some old pics that would be terrific.
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Willie Baneham on Sunday 15 July 18 22:54 BST (UK)
When I was about 7, in 1957, they were quite elderly.
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: wavehopper on Sunday 15 July 18 23:38 BST (UK)
Whats the neighbours name.

Chrissie Gamble was my relative, and she shared a flat with Helen Supple. Both were young women in their twenties in 1972, who worked up the road at St Mary's Hospital. Chrissie unfortunately died in the flat accidentally, of carbon monoxide poisoning.
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: Willie Baneham on Monday 16 July 18 14:42 BST (UK)
Sorry, - cant remember either of those names. There were almost all families living in the older Sarah Place, - which were tenements. Perhaps she was there in the seventies, when the new flats were built?
Title: Re: Sarah Place
Post by: wavehopper on Monday 16 July 18 19:28 BST (UK)
Sorry, - cant remember either of those names. There were almost all families living in the older Sarah Place, - which were tenements. Perhaps she was there in the seventies, when the new flats were built?
Thank you for asking, yes she was there in the seventies, I appreciate your taking the time to consider it.