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Title: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: Moscatella on Tuesday 26 April 11 10:06 BST (UK)
Hi, Does anyone know of any on-line resources for researching BMDs  for Scottish families living in St Vincent in 19C?   Familysearch does not seem to cover this particular region and googling has not come up with anything.
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: Velveteen on Thursday 05 May 11 05:56 BST (UK)
what families are you researching? A lot of my research is based on Saint Vincent, and I'm sort of doing a project on the inter-relations of the colonial families of St Vincent, so I might have something in my own records.

Resources I've found to help have been British Census' IF they went back and forth a lot -mine did.

Another is http://svgancestry.com/ which has a small amount of BMD's and other information, including some photographs of memorials in St George's Anglian Church in Kingstown. Another off-beat one I've found to be helpful is documents online.
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: Moscatella on Thursday 05 May 11 08:21 BST (UK)
The two surnames are McKinzie or McKenzie and Sprott or Sproat who originated in Wigtownshire.

Mary McKinzie was born St Vincent 1834/5, parents James McKinzie & Mary McCrea.

I have several Sprotts in my tree and some names come up in the Censuses as being born in St Vincent who could be related to mine but I have been unable to make the connection. 

Thanks for the other suggestions, I will check them out.
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: lullaby on Thursday 05 May 11 17:59 BST (UK)
Please forgive me for butting in here but I don't think I have posted enough queries yet to permit a personal message.   This query is for Velveteen re St Vincent.

I have a longstanding problem backtracking from my ggg grandfather who - according to the census returns - was born in Tortola, BVI about 1800.   His name was Mark John Dyer.   According to the LDS records, a Mark Dyer was baptised on St Vincent in 1804.   The father is recorded as Samuel Dyer and the mother as Celia Albert.   Family legend has it that my Mark Dyer was of mixed blood so it is possible that he was born on one island and baptised elsewhere.   I have traced this couple to Chateaubellair (through the slaves registers on Ancestry).   Have you come across them in your research, Velveteen?

Thanks
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: hoolianama0508 on Wednesday 18 May 11 01:17 BST (UK)
 According to the LDS records, a Mark Dyer was baptised on St Vincent in 1804. 

I saw that there was another Dyer family in Trinidad and Tobago. Perhaps Mark Dyer found opportunity on another close proximity island.  Just a guess.
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: Velveteen on Friday 03 June 11 03:51 BST (UK)
Please forgive me for butting in here but I don't think I have posted enough queries yet to permit a personal message.   This query is for Velveteen re St Vincent.

I have a longstanding problem backtracking from my ggg grandfather who - according to the census returns - was born in Tortola, BVI about 1800.   His name was Mark John Dyer.   According to the LDS records, a Mark Dyer was baptised on St Vincent in 1804.   The father is recorded as Samuel Dyer and the mother as Celia Albert.   Family legend has it that my Mark Dyer was of mixed blood so it is possible that he was born on one island and baptised elsewhere.   I have traced this couple to Chateaubellair (through the slaves registers on Ancestry).   Have you come across them in your research, Velveteen?

Thanks

I know I've seen Dyer mentioned in my searches, but not connected to my family, so I haven't taken that much notice, sorry.

Linda V -Sprott doesn't ring any bells at all, sorry.
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: Moscatella on Friday 03 June 11 09:45 BST (UK)
Ok thanks anyway 8)
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: shaz78 on Monday 06 June 11 14:01 BST (UK)
Hi there my name is sharon and i am looking for my family name sprott too i have got as far as my gg grandfather my mum and i would like to do a family tree but we have a problem that alot of family members have passed and we cant get any information so we are trying any sites that might be able to help. i seen u was looking for the name sprott maybe we can help each other.  thanx shaz
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: Moscatella on Monday 06 June 11 14:18 BST (UK)
How nice to see your post - didn`t think there were going to be any more for this surname!   Can you give me names and dates please? The Sprotts in my tree were born Wigtownshire, West Lothian, Glasgow & Cheshire.
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: shaz78 on Monday 06 June 11 15:33 BST (UK)
i think my g grandfather had scotish ancestory, his name was james elliot sprott born in st vincent west indies around the 1860's died early 1900's married to mabel felicia davies, he was a journilist for a local paper in early 1900.  i hope this helps if u would like anymore info plz let me know thanx
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: Moscatella on Monday 06 June 11 16:00 BST (UK)
I do not have any James Sprotts at all. Did he die in UK?  Do you know his parents or anything that would help trace his ancestry back? I know it's a common enough Scots name but worth delving on the off chance we have a common link.  I also have the surname McKinzie/McKenzie connected to both St Vincent and the Sprotts.
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: shaz78 on Monday 06 June 11 16:23 BST (UK)
we are not sure on the mckenzie's but sprotts of st vincent yes, do u kknow much about st vincent and the sprotts.
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: Skoosh on Monday 06 June 11 22:17 BST (UK)
Linda, is this the Sprott's who owned Garnkirk estate, Glasgow? one Mark Sprott springs to mind.  They moved away to the Peebles area, Garnkirk House policies are now Crow Wood golf course. They were connected to the Whitelaw's of Gartshore, Twechar.  Maggie Thatcher's "every body needs a Willie!" was one.
 Whether the Sprott's were part of the Glasgow Sugarocracy, I couldn't say, but the former owners of Garnkirk, the Dunlop's had interests in the West Indies and the owners of the adjoining estate,  The Miller's of Frankfield, were merchants in Frankfield, Jamaica.     Skoosh.
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: Moscatella on Monday 06 June 11 22:58 BST (UK)
As to my knowledge of St Vincent, shaz78, the answer is, sadly, zilch (I`ve tried unsuccessfully to find any BMD records for that period) and very limited on the Sprotts as a whole. Many in the families I am researching died young and of the few that survived seem to disappear.

I think they were more trade, Skoosh, than sugar plantation owners.  John Sprott 1827-1899 was a coachman/stables manager and his daughter Grace McKinzie Sprott married a NZ-born greengroce. By 1858 they were all living in Neston, Cheshire.
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: Velveteen on Tuesday 07 June 11 00:11 BST (UK)
I ran Sprott and Place: St Vincent through the LDS family search site and this is what came up(hope it works): https://www.familysearch.org/search/records#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3ASprott~%20%2Bany_place%3A%22St%20Vincent%22~
Only a few results but you might find something relevant. Sprott is an unusual name, so odds are that these people would be connected to your Sprotts in some way.
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: Moscatella on Tuesday 07 June 11 09:17 BST (UK)
Thanks Velveteen, much appreciated. I did come across those Sprotts in the Census which added to the intrigue. If only I could find their births/baptisms and discover who their parents were or at least the father's name. What`s so tantalizing is that they could well be related to mine but I don`t know where to find relevant records.
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: Skoosh on Thursday 09 June 11 17:00 BST (UK)
These Sprotts of Garnkirk have a big table stone in Bedlay Cemetery, I believe it was very popular with courting couples in the old days.(before Morris Minor's) This being a mining district, and the Sprotts being pit owners, was maybe poetic justice. I believe Mark? Sprott, known to his chums as "Sprotty", was CO of the Scots Greys!      Skoosh.
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: whiteheather on Friday 22 July 11 19:57 BST (UK)
I am looking for john Spence family from st. vincents, 1860 about, he was a merchant on the island his wife was ann louisa brown, they had a son benjamin born 1860 we think on the island, benjamin then came to paisley in scotland but i dont know what happened to his parents. I have been looking for 2 years now, hope somebody can help me, does anyone know of birth, marriage or death index on the island about 1840-1900
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: whiteheather on Friday 05 August 11 18:19 BST (UK)
As I am new to this, I dont'd know if I am doing this right, although I am looking for spence of St. Vincents, in the 1800's I am wondering if it should be the name John Spencer who married ann Louisa Brown
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: hoolianama0508 on Friday 05 August 11 21:27 BST (UK)
I am wondering if it should be the name John Spencer who married ann Louisa Brown

I think that is a sound idea.  My family is Gascoine, however the popular spelling is Gascoigne with the extra G. 
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: Moscatella on Tuesday 16 August 11 14:08 BST (UK)
Hi whiteheather,

I started this thread as I was hoping someone would know where we might find BMDs for St Vincent.  Some of my Scots relatives were resident/born there around the 1830s. No luck so far though - and you`ve been looking for much longer than me.   ???

Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: whiteheather on Tuesday 16 August 11 18:13 BST (UK)
Hi Linda v, good to know somebody else if looking for the same thing, I am a member of every site there is connected to St. Vincents, and nobody has come up yet with anything, where in scotland are your people from? mine are from Paisley, just wondering if there is a connection as my family must have gone out there about the same time
heather
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: Moscatella on Tuesday 16 August 11 18:29 BST (UK)
Hi Heather,

Mostly they are from Wigtownshire but Mary McKinzie c1834 St Vincent had a brother John b1836 Greenock, Renfrew.  Same county at least as yours.  Parents were James McKinzie 1811-1840 & Mary McCrea (there are spelling variations for both surnames in the various records but I go by Scotland`s People whenever possible).

Linda
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: berylm on Friday 22 August 14 12:32 BST (UK)
Hi All
I haven't been on Rootschat in ages!
I also have a gt grandfather who came from St Vincent,
John Robert Jordan, b.  abt 1853 in  St. Vincent, West Indies
He was in Dunedin, NZ in 1878, where he married Catherine Young, who had come from Scotland.
He died in  04 Sept 1921 in Dunedin, New Zealand. His occupation is listed as: Baker or groom.
I'd appreciate  help with this.
Thanks so much
BerylM
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: Norbert Glasgow on Saturday 08 April 17 17:34 BST (UK)
Living in the UK there aren't many people that have the Glasgow surname, so I got the impression that the only Glasgow around was from my immediate family from St. Vincent & the Grenadines.
People in the UK keeps saying; "That's an unusual surname!" Where did it originate, and how is it spelt? And when speaking on the phone, some would get confused and think, or ask; are you from Glasgow in Scotland?

I was surprised when I decided to do my family tree, then did a Facebook and Google search only to find there are lots of (black) Glasgow family in other islands of the Caribbean and especially the US. Apart from my immediate family, I've found a couple of (black) Glasgow family too, in the UK.  The name is also connected to the Ivory Coast.

As I understood the theory; black people with the Glasgow name originated from slavery, where the white slavers gave their (mixed race) offspring the names of town and cities where they were from, instead of giving them their own surnames. But if the theory or whatever...is true, then how is it that there are white people I've seen on facebook that have the Glasgow surname too? And, read what I found in my search...by clicking on this link http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Glasgow#ixzz4ZhzFI3ux 
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: Lee Ross on Friday 19 October 18 10:35 BST (UK)
what families are you researching? A lot of my research is based on Saint Vincent, and I'm sort of doing a project on the inter-relations of the colonial families of St Vincent, so I might have something in my own records.

Hello,

I just saw your post about researching families in St. Vincent and was wondering if you've come across a Thomas Abbott Parker who was born 1806 in Bristol to John Parker (c.1774-?), a cabinet maker, and Sophia Gordon (c.1776-1839). He had the following children: Sophia (c.1837), Amelia (c.1839), George (c.1843) and Eliza Jane (c.1847) with Mary Lucretia McBarnett.

I have had no luck finding information about this family in St. Vincent but any help would be much appreciated!

Cheers
Lee
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: Norbert Glasgow on Sunday 21 October 18 00:39 BST (UK)
Hi Lee,

I'm only researching my own family.  I found the information about my family on Google search and Facebook.  Maybe you want to try there, too.

Cheers,
Norbert
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: emccsp on Sunday 10 May 20 23:37 BST (UK)
As I am new to this, I don't know if I am doing this right, although I am looking for Spence of St. Vincents, in the 1800's I am wondering if it should be the name John Spencer who married ann, Louisa Brown

I am a Spence my father was born in SVG. I have been looking for more Spence's, hope to hear from you. excited
Title: Re: St Vincent, West Indies
Post by: Faithen on Sunday 21 June 20 19:42 BST (UK)
Hello
I am researching my Husbands Family From St Vincent and Trinidad ( so Far) family names of interest
Solomon, Warren, Gordon and Lewis, seeking information on Margaret Lewis abt 1865 St Vincent.

Thank you for reading