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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Montgomeryshire => Topic started by: Pejic on Wednesday 11 May 11 20:36 BST (UK)
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Edward Davies married Hanna(h) Pugh, with parental consent in Kerry on 14th May 1817. I would be interested to know until what age parental consent was needed at that time. They had twins (Edward and Jane) christened 18th January 1818 at Kerry.
Any information about these people's parents would be appreciated.
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parental consent was needed under the age of 21. Do you have a copy of the parish entry for this marriage? I can see only a submitted claim for it on the IGI. It isn't in the index from the Montgomeryshire Family history society.
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Thanks (again) osprey. I only have my original hand written note from 1983:
Kerry PR7 marriages
14-5-1817 Edward Davies, bachelor of this parish, with parents consent, Married Hanna Pugh spinster of this parish. Signed by Edward Davies, Hannah Pugh.
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it must have not been transcribed.
Do you have the couple in the census? I can see an Edward & Hannah couple in 1841 in Kerry, but they're 48 & 49 so shouldn't have needed consent.
IGI has an extracted baptism in batch C049491 for Kerry for Hanna bp 24/3/1793 daughter of Joseph Pugh & Ann
also Edward bp 1/9/1793 son of Edward Davies & Jane
Edward bp 9/3/1794 son of Richard Davies & Jane
Edward bp 20/1/1793 son of Thomas Davies & Elizabeth
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Thanks again osprey, is there any chance it is the 1851 census you are referring to (the ages seem a bit "precise" for 1841), but would 14 and 15 been TOO young even with parent's consent in 1817?
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some enumerators didn't follow the instructions, some toook them further. There would appear to be triplets in the family of my gggrandfather in Chepstow thanks to the enumerator rounding down where he didn't nned to.
1841 Lower Cwmbyrthlan (?), Caeliber isaf & uchaf, Kerry HO107/1439/24 folio 4 pg 4
Edward Davies 47 ag lab
Hannah 48
William 8
susan 5
all born in county
1851 Bird House, (next to Cwmberllan) Caeliber Issa, Kerry HO107/2497 folio 30 pg 11
Edward Davies head mar 57 ag lab b. Kerry
Hannah wife 58 b. Kerry
bother, we missed the walk, but at least the map is handy!
http://www.walkingclub.org.uk/hill/caeliber-isaf.shtml
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Thanks for the map as well. Unfortunately the 3 generation family you seem to have found don't tie up at all with my dates.
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oh phooey! :P
What dates do you have & I'll see what I can find.
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Thanks osprey, I really appreciate all the effort you have put into helping me with my various queries.
Apart from my original post, the only other information is that the twin Edward Davies (my gt-gt-grandfather) (signed) married Katherine Owen (mark) (born 1820, Trefeglwys) at Bethany Baptist church, Cardiff 20-11-1847. Katherine was a widow (called Griffiths) at the marriage, they were both of full age, the witnesses were Richard Turner (signed) and Ann Williams (mark).
Although my notes do not make it clear, I think I remember (from 1883, when I currently have trouble remembering what I did yesterday!) that both parties at the 14th May 1817 were "with parental consent". Given that their twins were baptised in January 1818, it is perhaps an explanation of why the consent was frothcoming.
The only tentative parents I have ever found (and that influenced by the girl twin's name) for Edward Davies who married Hannah Pugh are Edward Davies and Jane Jones who married 26-9-1775 at Kerry, though they would have been married over 20 years before Edward was born.
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any history of Baptists in the family or did they marry in a Baptist church just to confuse? Given that I can see a baptism for son for son Edward in Llandough 2/4/1865 IGI extracted batch C056781, doesn't look like they were Baptists. My ggrandparents married in a Baptist church for no obvious reason.
So the baptism in Kerry in 1818 looks to be a strong possibility. What details for the father of Edward are given on the 1847 cert?
There aren't that many Edward Davieses in Kerry in 1841. Think I ought to give you this one because of his occupation
Hot House, Cefy y Berthllan, Cloddie HO107/1439/17 folio 8 pg 13
Edward Davies 40 gardener
Elizabeth 35
Sarah 9
all born in county
can't see this couple as yet in 1851 for places of birth.
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Nothing known of any baptists (or any strong religious sentiments in this branch) - maybe it was the widow Griffiths.
The Edward you found in Llandough is my great grandmother's youngest brother (and the second attempt at an Edward - the eldest son died).
Father on marriage cert is Edward Davies labourer
My memory reference to 1883 should of course have been 1983!
I was told that my Edward calling himself a gardener on the 1881 census was more to do with his employer's delusions of grandeur (he was one of the legions of ag.labs before that.
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he's enumerated as gardener in 1871 as well.
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Progress at last.
Hanna Pugh was baptised 24-3-1793 at St Michael and All Angels, Kerry, daughter of Joseph Pugh and Ann Pugh! (from what I can see half the population of Montgomeryshire were called Pugh - an ancient Hugh must have been very fertile!)
Joseph and Ann were married 8-5-1787 at St Michael and All Angels, Kerry and had Sarah 1788, Elizabeth 1791, Hanna 1793 and Susanna 1795.
The best prospect (of about 500 suspects) for Joseph is born in Welshpool (about 12 miles away), so this line goes on ice for another 6 years I suppose.
I am assuming now that the 1841 and 1851 Census entries osprey posted are 'my' Edward and Hannah and I have them on 1861 as well, I am assuming Edward lied about his age so his wife wouldn't be recorded as so much older than him.
Not sure whether to treat the 1841 Richard and Susan as children or grandchildren for now.