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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: Kilmeny on Thursday 12 May 11 17:22 BST (UK)
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I am researching my Pawlby/Palby ancestors of Stoke Damerel, and wonder whether anyone knows where they originated from, prior to ' turning up ' in S. Devon?
The earliest member was a John Pawlby , born around 1795, and who married Elizabeth Lee, 17.2.1814, in Stoke Damerel.
I have no clues at all to link this John to any other group of Pawlby/Paulby/Palby's , so no idea of his birth details.
Can anyone help. please ?
Many thanks, in anticipation..............Kilmeny
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It would appear that John was a clerk in the dockyard before becoming a builder & carpenter according to his children's baptism records.
A 42 year old John PAWLBY was buried at Stoke Damerel 14 May 1834. (Born 1792)
A 79 year old John PAWLBY was buried there 20 Aug 1832. (Born 1753)
A 60 year old Elizabeth PAWLBY was buried there 8 Sept 1819. (Born 1759)
There is a baptism at Stoke Damerel 30 May 1803 to John & ELizabeth for a Sarah PAWLBY, but nothing prior to that date, which seems to confirm that they came from elsewhere around that time. I'm 'assuming' that the older John & Elizabeth were the parents of John 1792.
Pigots Directory 1822-23 for Morice Town shows:
Pawlby, Jno: Joiner, Carpenter & Printer's Joiner 1 Portland Place
There do not appear to be any records around the Plymouth area in any parish other than Stoke Damerel. John may have had a brother Richard, as there is a marriage in 1835 to a Lavinia PRIOR.
It was certainly a very unique name!
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Thank you Dob 7, ........but without wanting to seem ungrateful, I do have exactly same info..( and sorry but I miss-spelt Pawlby in the heading - didn't check before posting ! )
I asked everyone I work with to write down the word Pawlby, as I spoke it , in order to get as many variations of spellings as poss. But , having researched them all I still can't find any other relevant info.
As you say, it is a VERY unusual name ...but maybe someone out there could think up some new alternative spellings ? Now, there's a challenge !
My Gt Gt G'father was Cornelius Pawlby, a senior draughtsman at Devpt. dockyard.
Kilmeny
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My inner sense suggests that the name was/is French or Germanic of origin. I've consulted my Oxford Dictionary of Surnames and the word root seems to agree with this. (From PAUL). However, nothing comfirms this. Plymouth St Andrew baptism indexes show:
22 March 1795 John & Geo. Riglow PAWLYN sons of John & ELiz.
Sorry -- wish I could have been more help!
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No, that's fine ! In some ways just to know that someone else can't come up with the answers either, is reassuring for me. I have been gnawing away at this for nearly 20 years, so to imagine it all to be solved like magic, in a flash, would be foolish.
There will come a breakthrough eventually, as more and more records are made available online, I suppose. In the meantime I'll have to attempt to crack some of the other sticking points in my family !
I will follow up that last bit of info you sent, though, and see what else I can find regarding that name. [ There were Parlby's in that part of Devon, but I haven't found them to be connected so far. They seemed to have been far more aristocratic !]
Thanks for your contributions.
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For Dob 7,
How did you find the Pawlyn Baps., please? I have had a quick hunt, but wonder how you accessed the St Andrew, Plymouth records.
Looking for any other children of this Jn. and Eliz.
Thank you.........Kilmeny
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I run the Devon OPC project - see http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html so consequently I have purchased many registers on microfiche. I have the DFHS transcription on fiche of Plymouth St Andrew baptisms 1754-1798. No other baptisms are shown to John & Elizabeth PAWLYN.
I did check the Devon FHS surname index (which covers marriages in all Devon parishes 1754-1837 amongst other events) and there were no PAWLBY entries prior to those that you know of in Stoke Damerel. There are 3 marriages for PARLBY 1754-1813. I wouldn't totally discount this connection - names evolved due to pronunciation as you know, and this 'group' could have been a black sheep moving away from the main family. Especially considering they were in the Manadon area. I was struck by the fact that John & Elizabeth's children had 3 names given to them - most unusual for the average baptism of the time unless you were of a higher class.
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Hi
Im actually researching about the Paulby/ Pawlby family. Iam descendant of Maria Louisa Paulby, who was married with John Swallow, with daugther Sarah Elizabeth Swallow.
Maria Luoisa Paulby, born in Devonport abt 1822, was, in my opinion, probably sister of Cornelius Lee Paulby. A daughter of John Swanson and Maria Louisa was named John Lee Swallow.
John Paulby 1792-1834 was a merchant, married with Elizabeth Lee, with probable issue:
John Lee Paulby b. 1816
George Augustus Paulby b 1818
Elizabeth Paulby b 1822
Maria Louisa Paulby b 1823
William Henry Paulby b 1827
Cornelius Lee Paulby b 1830
Kate L Paulby b 1830 1831
Emma Julia Paulby b 1832
There is a record of a Cornelius Lee Pawlby married in 1885 at Islington, where Swallow family lived. This Cornelius was probably a son of Cornelius born at 1830.
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Hi
Im actually researching about the Paulby/ Pawlby family. Iam descendant of Maria Louisa Paulby, who was married with John Swallow, with daugther Sarah Elizabeth Swallow.
Maria Luoisa Paulby, born in Devonport abt 1822, was, in my opinion, probably sister of Cornelius Lee Paulby. A daughter of John Swanson and Maria Louisa was named John Lee Swallow.
John Paulby 1792-1834 was a merchant, married with Elizabeth Lee, with probable issue:
John Lee Paulby b. 1816
George Augustus Paulby b 1818
Elizabeth Paulby b 1822
Maria Louisa Paulby b 1823
William Henry Paulby b 1827
Cornelius Lee Paulby b 1830
Kate L Paulby b 1830 1831
Emma Julia Paulby b 1832
There is a record of a Cornelius Lee Pawlby married in 1885 at Islington, where Swallow family lived. This Cornelius was probably a son of Cornelius born at 1830.
A complete genealogical tree at Family search.
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Maria Louisa PAWLBY was the daughter of John & Elizabeth and was baptised at Morice Street Wesleyan, Devonport 5 Aug 1822 (born 10th April 1822). Father described as a carpenter. Cornelius Lee and sister Catherine Lee PAWLBY were both baptised at Stoke Damerel 9th Aug 1829, parents John (a builder) and Elizabeth.
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Maria Louisa PAWLBY was the daughter of John & Elizabeth and was baptised at Morice Street Wesleyan, Devonport 5 Aug 1822 (born 10th April 1822). Father described as a carpenter. Cornelius Lee and sister Catherine Lee PAWLBY were both baptised at Stoke Damerel 9th Aug 1829, parents John (a builder) and Elizabeth.
Thank you! I believe he was a cabinet maker, but there are some references on the net about his profession as mechant:
https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=WfQuAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA414&lpg=PA414&dq=john+pawlby+stoke+damerel&source=bl&ots=GZy2NEeiMt&sig=ACfU3U0ijTC58COaoynAQIaeBHLrhMKGyQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjtluTzvLngAhW5FLkGHc83B40Q6AEwAXoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=john%20pawlby&f=false
https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=XzFKAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA1725&lpg=PA1725&dq=john+pawlby+stoke+damerel&source=bl&ots=XerFA-yT2y&sig=ACfU3U1ae2KuBgIK0dmZTmeB0y1CozmZ6w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjtluTzvLngAhW5FLkGHc83B40Q6AEwCnoECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=john%20pawlby%20stoke%20damerel&f=false
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Another interesting reference about John Paulby, mentioned as Rev. John Paulby in the book The Gardener´s Magazine and Register of Rural and domestic Improvement Vol 18 -Page 547 - 1842 , with a property named Monadon House, in Dovershire.
https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=dB8nAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA547&lpg=PA547&dq=%22john+paulby%22+Monadon+house&source=bl&ots=pb34mNep2-&sig=ACfU3U3Y4VHfCdM31p33b-slQR1H41olBw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiwiODv4bvgAhVcDrkGHXWXCg8Q6AEwAXoECAAQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22john%20paulby%22%20Monadon%20house&f=false
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There is an interesting query about a possible relation between Paulby/Pawlby family of Stoke Damerel and Parlby family of Gravesend that lived at Plymouth at the same period.
Thomas Parlby was the youngest son of a John Parlby born 1727. He was a famous civil engineering contractor. He built the Plymouth dockyard. His sibling were: Mary, married with his partner, James Templer, and two oldest brothers John and William. They were cabinet makers.
Thomas died at 1802.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Parlby
John Pawlby was a builder and merchant of Stoke Damerel (1792-1834), son of another John Pawlby (1753-1832). As I mentioned before, he was a cabinet maker also, but there are some references about him as a builder and merchant. In an article of The Royal Cornwall Gazette of October 26, 1826, he is mentioned of the owner and builder of a "stadium" for a wrestling (Fotheringham´s coal yard) between the counties of Cann and Polkinghorne, with capacity for 10.000 sites. It is mentioned too as owner of a company named Taman Timber Yard .
Some lines seems to be crossing:
1. The Manadon House mentioned before, with owner Rev. John Pawlby, is mentioned in the following link with a Rev. John Parlby:
http://www.parle.co.uk/genealogy/manadon.htm
2. In the Gentleman Magazine of 1792, there is a mention of marriage of John Alexander (Thomas Paulby´s son) with Letitia Hall. But he is named John Alexander Pawlby.
https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=L0Y3AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA1054&dq=%22paulby%22+Plymouth&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwitpIqC1vrgAhXAEbkGHeH4De4Q6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=%22paulby%22%20Plymouth&f=false
3. John Lee, gentleman, father in law of John Pawlby (b.1792) was appointed master measurer of the Majesty´s dock at Plymouth abt. 1800.
3. The wife of John Lee, Jane Shepheard, was probably related with the family of the High society of Plymouth, with a big manufactory abt. 1760, as it mentioned in the following book, about the commerce in old Plymouth (Burnt, 1816) . Her brother probably was a Benajmin Shepheard Junior, gentleman, linen draper and mercer (witness in marriage records).
https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=0SEwAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=william+burt+review+mercantile&source=bl&ots=kQhzx6cL4M&sig=ACfU3U1sjRpM04tA2GGYpLN4E5AKXCheJw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi-1MSBjPvgAhXvEbkGHe_gC3MQ6AEwAXoECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=william%20burt%20review%20mercantile&f=false
I believe that it is possible that John Pawlby Sr was a nephew of Thomas Parlby, and a son of his oldest brother John. Im still looking for new clues.
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In the book "The Language, Literature and Literary characters of Cornwall" 1806 - Part 1, there is a mention of a Mr. Paulby (Thomas), as a builder
The author of these verses of which I have interlined a literal translation is a Mr Tompson a native of Truro and by profession what we call in Cornwall an engineer that is a maker of engines for the use of the mines to which trade he was bred under his father and in his youth much employed by Mr Pendarves I met him at Plymouth Dock in 1789 where he was engaged in superintending the raisers and hewers of stone under Mr Paulby.
https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=SPs4AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA43&lpg=PA43&dq=%22paulby%22+plymouth&source=bl&ots=zqJtFi_2F_&sig=ACfU3U2JZQ2Y7ssOS2AA9hqFD7OeG10Hkg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjBj9OR0fzgAhUiErkGHUIlBr0Q6AEwDHoECAIQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22paulby%22&f=false