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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Bedfordshire => Topic started by: Jill123 on Friday 13 May 11 14:57 BST (UK)
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Hello Linmey, I happened to notice you were researching a Woodham family from Bedfordshire. My immediate ancestors were the Woodham family from Barton le Clay, Beds. William Woodham 1811-1849, a butcher, married Susan Smyth from Streatley. She died giving birth to William Woodham b 1838 Barton, a miller. He married Eliza Bonnet from Royston, and had William Woodham b 1863 Royston and d 1923 Shoreditch, London - he was my gt grandfather.
I am not sure about the pre-1811 Woodham family, but there was the father of William b 1811 who was also a William Woodham b abt 1781. It is possible he came from either Gamlingay, Cambs or Scotland. There is a David Woodham also who I think was William b abt 1781's son also.
Hope this might be of some use to you and perhaps you might be able to give me more info on my Woodhams. Fingers crossed!
Best wishes,
Jill
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Hi Jill,
The Woodham`s I have located in my tree so far are from Melchbourne, Sharnbrook Pertenhall, Swineshead and Kimbolton, so a different area of Beds from your Woodhams it would seem, but you never know, we might have a match somewhere.
Best wishes,
Linda.
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Hi Linda,
Thanks for replying. Shame! - still I'll keep an eye out for your Woodhams.
If anyone out there has any info about the Barton, or Streatley, Beds., Woodhams please let me know.
Jill
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Hello Jill, Like Linda my Woodhams are from the North Beds area (in fact they are the same family group)..... however I've been looking into your Barton family.........
.... firstly there's a William Woodham, widower, butcher who married Elizabeth Smyth on 6th Apr 1841 at St Anne's Westminster, Middlesex. His father was William woodham farmer & her father was Thomas Smyth, farmer. It seems this Elizabeth is Sarah Smyth's sister, & William & Elizabeth produced son Thomas Smyth Woodham b 1844 Barton.
.... On 1851 census farming in Streatley is William Woodham, born 1786 Gamlingay & wife Sarah born March, Cambs along with grandson George b 1837 Barton... who turns out to be son of George Woodham & Louisa Allen who married 25 Mar 1836. On 1851 these couple are in Streatley with other children, Sarah, Gabriel, Ann & Elizabeth. George is born 1813 at Gt Gransden, Hunts.
GamIingay is just down the road from Gt Gransden...perhaps that's where William came from.
Regards John
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Hello John,
Many thanks for your reply. I know about the butcher William Woodham b 1811 who married the two Smyth sisters (Susan Smyth is my 3rd great grandma) - I have all this documented - but I can't find a definite link between the farmer William Woodham b 1786 Gamlingay and my William Woodham b 1811 in Barton.
If only I could find some firm 'evidence' that the 1786 William really was the father of 1811 William. I have the Parish Register for Barton but the 1811 William's baptism isn't in there, nor in the Streatley Parish Register, both of which I've bought. And 'mother' Sarah's marriage to'father' William b Gamlingay isn't in either of the two Registers either.
Have you any ideas where else I can look to find a connection? Do you know if the Gamlingay Parish records are online anywhere please? I've been up against this brick wall for over four years now and it's driving me round the bend!
Many thanks again.
Best wishes,
Jill
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Baptisms & Marriages at Gamlingay have been extracted to the IGI
Also the Cambs FHS have some online databases
http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html
They have a 1798 census of Gamlingay index that includes a Woodham, however you'll have to get the microfiche to see the details.
I've had a look but there isn't a William Woodham born c 1786
But ... he could from this scenario.....
John Woodham & Rebeckah had son William Woodham baptised 17 May 1756
He may be the William Woodham who married Mary Mead on 9 Sept 1776
There's an online tree that suggests they are parents of Samuel Woodham 1788, but I've not seen a baptism. They also could have had son William ? who knows.
Samuel Woodham married Susannah Careless on 30 Apr 1812
Female children of Samuel & Susannah are baptised at Gamlingay baptist church.
On 1851 census living in Biggleswade is Susannah b 1791 Gamlingay is widow, living with married daughter Mary Cocking b 1819
On Find my Past there are 2 wills in Cambridgeshire, of William Woodham 1785 & of John Woodham 1772 - might be worth the 5 credits (each) to see if they name children
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The link below is for the will of a William WOODHAM, butcher of Barton, dated/proved 9 February 1853 and held at The National Archives. I'm not sure whether this is the elder William or the one born in 1811 especially as there appears to be another will for a William WOODHAM, butcher of Barton, dated/proved in 1850 and held at Bedfordshire and Luton Archives and Record Service.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=47325&queryType=1&resultcount=4
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Many thanks for your help, John P and Orpheus, I'll check up on all of your suggestions. One last thing, do you think these Woodhams could have been 'dissenters' ie Baptists or some such, and that's why they wouldn't be in parish records which were the records of the 'established' church? If so, do you happen to know if there are there any records of BDM s in the Baptist churches?
Once again, thanks to you both for your help.
Regards,
Jill
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One last thing, do you think these Woodhams could have been 'dissenters' ie Baptists or some such, and that's why they wouldn't be in parish records which were the records of the 'established' church?
Yes, I think it is highly likely they were Baptists. One reason I have for thinking this is that I found the following births on FamilySearch:
26 Feb 1809 Gabriel WOODHAM, son of William WOODHAM
26 Feb 1809 William WOODHAM, son of William WOODHAM
Both were recorded at Old Meeting House Baptist and Independent, St Neots, Huntingdon. It looks like they were twins and, because of this, they may not have survived to adulthood. The reason they caught my eye is the use of the name Gabriel which was also used by George WOODHAM the son of the William born circa 1786.
Incidentally, although the William born circa 1786 is listed as being born in Scotland in the 1841 census this is incorrect. I believe that the tick placed in the column indicating that an individual was born in Scotland, Ireland or Foreign Parts was just a mark made by the enumerator when he was checking those not born in the county. If an individual was born in Scotland it was usual to put an 'S' in this column. Likewise if an individual was born in Ireland there would be an 'I' in the column and an 'F' for those born in Foreign Parts.
With regard to records kept by Baptist churches the short answer is that these varied. Most Baptists only baptised adults and records of these are most likely to be found in the Church Minute Books. Some churches, such as that mentioned above, kept records of births, and some kept records of deaths and burials too. However, prior to 1837 all nonconformists other than Quakers and Jews had to marry in the Church of England so there should be a marriage for William and Sarah WOODHAM somewhere.
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.... also baptisms Samuel & Susannah's daughters Susanna 1813, Mary 1815, Ann 1817 & Sarah 1819 are recorded at Gamlingay baptist church & in Dr Williams library. I don't know why their male children are not recorded.
Samuel Woodham was born c 1788. I have found a Thomas Woodham born c 1790 Gamlingay, widower on 1851 & 1861 census. On 1841 he is in Abbotsley Hunts with children Rhoda 1821 & Charles 1826. Where are thir baptisms ? Charles (now married to Jane) & Rhoda (now Mrs John smith) are together in Abbotsley in 1851.
Could be/Looks like Samuel & Thomas & your William 1786 are siblings.
As to marriage of William Woodham born Gamlingay Cambs to Sarah born March Cambs; perhaps it'd be worthwhile to post a look up on the Cambs board.
regards John
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Orpheus and John P - you wonderful people, you! Thanks for all this added help - you're a mine of information! All these leads should kep me busy researching for quite a while. I feel that brickwall I was stuck at for 4 yrs slowly starting to crack!
Many, many thanks.
Best wishes,
Jill
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The link below will give you the will of Gabriel HUTCHINSON, gentleman of March, Cambridgeshire, dated 1814. According to a database found on the Cambridgeshire Family History Society website Gabriel mentions his daughter Sarah WOODHAM in this will.
FamilySearch also has the baptism of Sarah, dau of Gabriel and Ann HUTCHINSON, at March, Cambridgeshire, on 28 Mar 1788 but this is an LDS member submission so should be treated with caution.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=236383&queryType=1&resultcount=6
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Don't suppose it's the marriage on the IGI at Graveley Cambs on 3rd Jan 1806 of Sarah Hutchinson to William WOODHOUSE - I haven't yet checked to rule these out .
... FreeReg have the marriage in name of Woodhouse: so can 2 transcribers get it wrong ?. It says this William was from St Neots & marriage was by licence.
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Well, the timescale fits - and as William was from St Neots that would fit with the births of Gabriel and William registered at the Baptist and Independent Church at St Neots.
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Don't suppose it's the marriage on the IGI at Graveley Cambs on 3rd Jan 1806 of Sarah Hutchinson to William WOODHOUSE
... FreeReg have the marriage in name of Woodhouse: so can 2 transcribers get it wrong ?. It says this William was from St Neots & marriage was by licence.
Graveley transcript by Cambs FHS says WOODHAM:
3 Jan 1806 William WOODHAM of St Neots & Sarah HUTCHINSON otp. Witnesses Stockley Hutchinson & William Isaac Copland. By licence.
Marriages in Hunts per Hunts Marriage Index
1808 Thomas WOODHAM and Sarah COOK at St Neots
1814 Thomas WOODHAM of Abbotsley and Sarah BANKS at Hail Weston
St Neots baptisms transcript
29 Apr 1808 Ann Cook WOODHAM dau of Thomas WOODHAM & Sarah COOK "B" (? Bastard?)
31 Oct 1810 Mary WOODHAM dau of Thomas & Sarah, breeches maker. Born 3 July 1810
These are the only WOODHAM baptisms in the established church in St Neots
Abbotsley transcript
Baptisms all on 7 Jan 1828: William, Rhoda and Charles WOODHAM, children of Thomas and Sarah, yeoman
I've not been following this thread so I'll leave it to John to see if any of the above is relevant
David
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Many thanks, David. I'll check all this out and cross-ref it.
Regards,
Jill
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Thanks David - I was waiting for some input from you once we reached Cambridgeshire....
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Marriages in Hunts per Hunts Marriage Index
1808 Thomas WOODHAM and Sarah COOK at St Neots
1814 Thomas WOODHAM of Abbotsley and Sarah BANKS at Hail Weston
On 1851 census Sarah Woodham b 1787 St Neots widow is living with ummarried sister Mary Cook b 1780 St Neots. A Sarah Woodhams is buried St Neots on 27/4/1859 aged 72 - so this is her, so she's NOT the wife of Thomas Woodham, widower I found on 1851/1861 census born 1790 Gamlingay. Her Thomas is buried St Neots on 22 June 1846 aged 66.
Perhaps Thomas Woodham b 1790 Gamlingay's wife was the Sarah Woodham buried Abbotsley on 28 Oct 1830 aged 34 (= born 1796). Is she the Sarah Banks baptised Hail Weston on 1 May 1796 daughter of Charles & Susannah Banks. This Thomas is buried Abbotsley on 15 aug 1871 aged 88.
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Now the Thomas Woodham who married Sarah Cook, of St Neots (who by now I've established is nothing to do with the Abbotsley/Gamlingay Woodhams) on 1841 census is living in High Street St Neots, he's aged 60, not born in Hunts & is a Tailor & she's 50. Living next door to them is her 'bastard' daughter Ann Cook Woodham age 30 who is now married to John Wagstaff (married at Potton on 17 Dec 1827) with children John & Thomas. Living next door to them is Sarah Reynolds aged 80 plus Martha Wagstaff age 12.
This is when I expect Linda to wake up... as her family links Woodham with Wagstaff & Reynolds.
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.... Ann Cook Woodham age 30 who is now married to John Wagstaff (married at Potton on 17 Dec 1827)
Hunts Marriage Index shows this marriage as being in 1825 at St Neots - Ann Cook Woodham and John Wagstaff of St Neots.
As the IGI entry is a member submission, and you know my view of those, I tend to believe Hunts Marriage Index!
David
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Perhaps Thomas Woodham b 1790 Gamlingay's wife was the Sarah Woodham buried Abbotsley on 28 Oct 1830 aged 34 (= born 1796). Is she the Sarah Banks baptised Hail Weston on 1 May 1796 daughter of Charles & Susannah Banks. This Thomas is buried Abbotsley on 15 aug 1871 aged 88.
National Probate Calendar has an entry for Thomas Woodham, late of Gamlingay, gentleman who died 10 Aug 1871, proved by Samuel Woodham of Gamlingay, farmer and Charles Woodham of Abbotsley, farmer
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Perhaps Thomas Woodham b 1790 Gamlingay's wife was the Sarah Woodham buried Abbotsley on 28 Oct 1830 aged 34 (= born 1796). Is she the Sarah Banks baptised Hail Weston on 1 May 1796 daughter of Charles & Susannah Banks. This Thomas is buried Abbotsley on 15 aug 1871 aged 88.
I agree
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.... Ann Cook Woodham age 30 who is now married to John Wagstaff (married at Potton on 17 Dec 1827)
Hunts Marriage Index shows this marriage as being in 1825 at St Neots - Ann Cook Woodham and John Wagstaff of St Neots.
As the IGI entry is a member submission, and you know my view of those, I tend to believe Hunts Marriage Index!
David
yes ... I was just about to say that... but you got there first, but it does look like he was from Potton...
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National Probate Calendar has an entry for John Wagstaff, late of St Neots; Turner who died 7th Oct 1867 proved by Ann Cook Wagstaff of St Neots, widow & relict & sole executrix - he didn't leave more than £20
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I am completely confused now! I started out by asking about a William Woodham, perhaps of Gamlingay, and now have loads of info about a Thomas Woodham of St Neots!! No fears though - I am sure that when I go through all your postings again very slowly, with a fine toothcomb, whilst making copious notes and drawings.......it will all make sense and become crystal clear!!
You folks continue to amaze me with your knowledge and enthusiasm. Thanks again.
Jill
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When one is stuck, one needs to think laterally, looking at possible siblings. For Jill, some of the detail dug up may not be relevant, but for Linda it might be. And among the chaff may be the grain of wheat for which Jill has been searching for four years!
I don't think Thomas of St Neots is Jill's (but he might be Linda's), but Thomas of Abbotsley might well be connected to Jill's William.
David
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26 Feb 1809 Gabriel WOODHAM, son of William WOODHAM
26 Feb 1809 William WOODHAM, son of William WOODHAM
Both were recorded at Old Meeting House Baptist and Independent, St Neots, Huntingdon.
Sorry for the confusion Jill; seems we've gone off on tangents looking at potential Woodham family links in that area. However I suspect that your William Woodham, butcher of Barton, may well be the one found by Orpheus (as above) son of William baptised 1809.
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Just to add to the general confusion:
In 1851 William Woodham 12 b Barton was at school in Wheathamstead, where the head of household was William Trustrum 30 b Royston, a school master and his wife was Eliza 36 b Gamlingay.
I don't like coincidences!
FreeBMD has a marriage in Caxton registration district in the March quarter 1844 where William Trustrum and Eliza Savill were two of the parties on the page. But significantly the other two parties on the page were Caroline Savill and William Woodham.
The baptism index on http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html shows that Eliza (bap 1812) and Caroline Savill (bap 1821) were probably sisters, daughters of Joseph and Mary Savill who baptised 12 children in Gamlingay between 1801 and 1836, which seems too long. The last five of these show their abode as Luton and I think these were two couples as they appear in Luton in 1841 aged 38 and 36.
But who was William Woodham who married in Caxton registration district in 1844? In 1861 he and Caroline both aged 39 b Gamlingay were living in Doncaster. Was he another son of Samuel and Susannah the baptists in Gamlingay?
Whoever he was he seems to provide a link via the Savill sisters between the Gamlingay and Barton Woodham families
David
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But who was William Woodham who married in Caxton ....... Was he another son of Samuel and Susannah the baptists in Gamlingay?
I reckon so .... On 1841 census in Gamlingay, is Susannah Woodham 1791 with Mary 1816, Sarah 1821, William 1822, Elizabeth 1826, Nodes 1829, Samuel 1831. There's a Carless family tree on Anc* with more info.... but I think is wrong - its got Samuel/Susannah's daughter as Rhoda Savill Woodham & marrying Thomas Topham !
John
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& more info to the melting pot ...
Caxton RD marriage index Mar 1845 has a triple wedding (well they are all on the same page)
I reckon they are all children of Samuel & Susannah Woodham....
Samuel Cockings to Sarah Woodham
John Smith to Rhoda Woodham
James Topham to Elizabeth Woodham
Note 1 John & Rhoda Smith had son Robert 1850 Abbotsley, who on 1861 census is grandson to Thomas Woodham b 1790 Gamlingay. I have him as Samuel's father
Note 2 Susannah 1791 widow is in Biggleswade with daughter Mary 1819 , now Mrs Francis Cocking.
Note 3 1851 census has James Topham & Elizabeth along with servant Samuel Woodham b 1831
Note 4 1851 in Biggleswade is Samuel Cocking & Sarah along with brother Nodes Woodham b 1829
I'm now begining to see the Woodhams from the family trees
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Ah-ha! David, you have thrown something up that I know about. The young William Woodham who was a boarder at school in Wheatamstead, was MY William, the son of William Woodham b1811 Barton. I think he might have had a sister called Eliza b abt 1815 in Gamlingay.
Could Mrs Eliza Trustram have been married to a Mr Saville beforehand, and that she was the original Eliza Woodham b 1816 Gamlingay?
Just a thought - haven't checked.
Love,
Jill
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The young William Woodham who was a boarder at school in Wheatamstead, was MY William, the son of William Woodham b1811 Barton.
I'd worked that out, and that's why I posted what I did, in response to your earliest posts in this thread!
Other than the 1841 census where he's shown as born in Beds, what's the evidence that William Woodham born c1811 was born in Barton? I doubt it. If he really had a younger sister Eliza born c 1815 in Gamlingay I'd have thought that William would also have been born in Gamlingay. If we assume that George who married in Barton and was living in Streatley in 1851 was a sibling of William, both sons of William b 1786 born Gamlingay also living in Streatley, then George was b c1813 at Gt Gransden. It seems pretty unlikely that William was born in Barton, followed by George in Gt Gransden, then Eliza in Gamlingay, then the whole family moved to Streatley where William b1811 married Susan Smyth.
Where have you found reference to Eliza Woodham b 1815?
Eliza and Caroline Saville were living together in Gamlingay in 1841 so I think they were sisters, but it would take the marriage cert to confirm that Eliza was a spinster on marriage to William Trustrum, rather than a widow.
David
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In reply #8, Orpheus gave details of the births of William and Gabriel Woodham at St Neots Baptist in 1809. I can’t see burials of either of them in St Neots, but there is a burial of Gabriel Woodham aged 7+ in Godmanchester Hunts on 18 Jun 1814. This is the only Woodham burial in Godmanchester after 1766, suggesting that the family weren’t long term residents of the parish. Whilst the age is a couple of years adrift, it would be interesting to get details from the parish register to see if he was the son of William and Sarah.
Like Orpheus, I think this 1809 birth is your William. Proving it is another matter, but there’s a fair bit of circumstantial evidence:
- you know that William Woodham and Sarah Hutchinson who married in Graveley Cambs moved at some stage to Streatley, probably after 1817, where they were living in 1851, birthplaces Gamlingay and March respectively
- in 1841 they had presumed sons John 25 and David 20 living with them, neither born in Beds (hence the deduced move to Streatley after 1817 as David could have been 24 in 1841), along with grandson George, son of George who was born at Gt Gransden Hunts
- William Woodham b1811 married his first wife in Streatley, but inconsiderately died in 1849 before his birthplace could be revealed in the 1851 census
- he was buried in Streatley, not in Barton
- then there’s the possible connection between William b1839 and the Gamlingay Woodhams via the Savill sisters. Pretty tenuous but it’s building up the picture.
The John Woodham in 1841 in Streatley may be the same John who married Ann King in Haynes, Beds, on 11 May 1843. In 1851 he’s enumerated as John Stockley Woodham, 41 b St Neots, and in the same household is Trustram King 12, stepson b Haynes. I think Trustram may be the exception that proves the rule and it really is a coincidence. Remember the marriage in Graveley where one of the witnesses was Stockley Hutchinson? Not a coincidence I feel. The marriage cert would give his parish of residence if other than Haynes and his father’s name.
David Woodham died before the 1851 census so we’re not going to learn his birthplace.
It’s interesting that there were Woodhams in Streatley in the early 1700s.
David
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David - I think that when I first started researching William b 1811 nearly five years ago I made the awful mistake of assuming that, as he worked and died in Barton, he probably was born in Barton. I'm not excusing myself, but this was before I found other Woodhams in Gamlingay etc. I've checked through my hand-written file notes and have absolutely NO proof he was born in Barton - sorry. And there's no record of him in the Barton parish register.
In my copious notes about the family this is the tentative scenario I'd come to:-
William Woodham b abt 1781 or 1785 in, maybe, Gamlingay, Cambs. marries? a Sarah b abt 1788 March, Cambs.
They could have had at least 6 kids - William b abt 1811; Eliza b 1815 Gamlingay (can't find where I found this info); George b abt 1816 in Streatley? and who perhaps married a Louisa b 1816; John b abt 1816 not in Beds. Sarah? b 1821 Gamlingay and David b abt 1820/21. Then there is the Grandson, George, who was living with his G'parents on the 1851 census and b abt 1837 Barton. Shame on me! I can't find any notes saying where I found any of this info - a lesson learned!
I am going to have to go through all the new info you've all posted and try to make sense of the 'info' I think I might have. I am now agreeing with you William b 1811 Barton was now b in either Gamlingay or, perhaps, St Neots as I've just found a William Woodham b 26 Feb 1809 Old Meeting House, High Street, St Neots - Baptists and Independants.
Regards,
Jill
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The link below is for the will of a William WOODHAM, butcher of Barton, dated/proved 9 February 1853 and held at The National Archives. I'm not sure whether this is the elder William or the one born in 1811 especially as there appears to be another will for a William WOODHAM, butcher of Barton, dated/proved in 1850 and held at Bedfordshire and Luton Archives and Record Service.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=47325&queryType=1&resultcount=4
I've looked at the will of William WOODHAM, butcher of Barton, held at Bedfordshire and Luton Archives and Record Service and it turns out not to be a will just a note saying that the actual will had been inadvertantly proved in the local Bedfordshire Court and had subsequently been sent to the PCC. Seems that both entries are for the same will and the will is that of the William born in 1811.
I have also made a note of the burials at Streatley:
20 Dec 1838 Susan WOODHAM of Barton, aged 30 years
16 Oct 1844 David WOODHAM of Streatley, aged 27 years
19 Jun 1849 William WOODHAM of Barton, aged 38 years
5 Apr 1852 Sarah WOODHAM of Streatley, aged 63 years
24 Jun 1859 William WOODHAM of Barton, formerly of Streatley, aged 81 years
21 Feb 1872 Elizabeth WOODHAM of Barton, aged 61 years
4 Aug 1922 Thomas Smyth WOODHAM of Manor Road, Barton, aged 78 years
I found no WOODHAM burials at Barton. Seems to me that it would be too much of a coincidence if all the WOODHAMs buried at Streatley were not related - especially as so many of them appear to have been residents of Barton. Perhaps there are tombstones in Streatley churchyard which could prove the relationship
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Orpheus - many thanks for looking in the Beds Archive and finding the info about William's will. I have just ordered it from The National Archives so I hope it might throw some more light on the family. I already have copies of the Streatley and Barton parish records booklets, but if I wanted to throw more light on these Woodhams what, and where from, would you advise me to purchase next? Or where should I look? Are there Gamlingay and St Neots parish records that I could buy, do you know?
You have been a great help; many thanks yet again. I feel that slowly, very slowly the cracks are beginning to widen.
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Perhaps there are tombstones in Streatley churchyard which could prove the relationship
The Beds FHS in 2008 transcribed the Monumental Inscriptions of Streatley, St Margaret as surveyed by A Weight Matthews sometime between 1907-1916. I will take a look through the document at our next meeting this coming Friday.
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Many thanks, JohnP, much obliged.
Jill
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Orpheus - I've downloaded that will from the National Archives and it is William Woodham b 1811, butcher. He left everything to his second wife, Elizabeth Smyth Woodham, but it doesn't say exactly what only 'all the real and personal estate'. So no more clues or information there I'm afraid. Ever onwards.............!
Jill
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Hello again Orpheus, JohnP and everyone else who has helped;
I have just downloaded the will of William Woodham b 1756 Cambs & d 1833 Gamlingay from The National Archives (thanks for the tip of searching their site). It seems he left most things to his d in law Susannah Careless Woodham, wife of his son Samuel c1782-1831. He also made bequests to his sons Thomas and William both b Gamlingay about 1781-91, and his daughter Mary b 1815 who it seems married a Mr Manning. This Mr Manning was probably Enoch Manning a.....wait for it...a baptist dissenting minister! Just as we thought - dissenters in the Woodham family. Also, Samuel's son William 1821-1899 seems to have married Caroline Savil at the same time as William TRUSTAM married Eliza Savil - remember my William Woodham b 1838 was at a boarding school run by a William TRUSTHEIM and his wife Eliza?
Plus, I've just found this:-
Earl of Feversham
Level Item
Title Abstract of title of Claydon to cottage at Gamlingay
Date 1848
Description 2 January 1773 Mortgage for £80 to Thomas Holben of Eyeworth, yeoman by Mary Mead of Gamlingay widow (nee Cawthorne) niece and heir of J. Cawthorne of Gamlingay, grocer, who was son and devisee of William Cawthorne of Gamlingay, butcher. Messuage occupied by Mary Mead, daughter of Mary M. above and James Williamson, abutting west on highway to Potton east, on cottage occupied Thomas Clarke, on cottage formerly Nicholas Fickis, then Mrs Reddall, widow and then J. Willson. 11/12 june 1779. Conveyance by M. Mead to William Woodham of Gamlingay malster for £140 (out of which £81-15-6 was paid to Holben in repayment of mortgage) The term of 500years created by the mortgage was assigned to J. Pedley of Potton, gent. 14 April 1832. Will of William Woodham leaving a messuage purchased by me of my late mother in law Mary Mead, to daughter Mary Manning Proved P.C.C. 30 August 1833. 16 March 1842. Conveyance by Reverend Enoch Manning dissenting minister and wife Mary to William Claydon of Gamlingay draper and grocer, for £350. 24 March 1842 Mortgage by Claydon to Manning for £250. William Claythorne of Gamlingay Butcher, J.C. of Gamlingay, butcher and Mary C=Mead to Mary M=William Woodham of Gamlingay, malster. Mary W=Enoch Manning, Baptist Minister of Gamlingay.
ReferenceNo FE 486
Repository Huntingdonshire Archives
So, could you please agree/disagree to what I now think my Woodham tree could be...
William Woodham 1756-1833 Cambs. married Mary Mead 1754-1824. They have at least three children - Samuel 1782-1831; William abt 1783, a malster (maltser?) and who still seems to be alive and living in Streatley in 1851 and married to Sarah (Hutchinson?) who gave birth to 'my' William Woodham b abt 1811 prob Gamlingay, who became a butcher; and lastly, son Thomas b abt 1785 d 1871. All these sons were born in Gamlingay.
Samuel marries Susannah Careless and has 9 children - Susannah 1813-66; Rhoda 1816-96 and marries John Smith; Ann 1817 - 37; Mary 22 Feb 1815 who marries Mr Manning; Sarah 1820-62 who marries Samuel Cocking; William 1821-99;Elizabeth 1825; Nodes (?) 1828-74 and Samuel 1830-51.
Can you tell me if I have made any glaring mistakes anywhere? Or could this really be the breakthrough I've been looking for for nearly five years? If it is, I couldn't have done it without all of your imputs.
Best wishes,
Jill
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.......sorry, that last bit should have read 'my' William Woodham b abt 1811 BARTON, BEDS.
Jill
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I don't think there's any way that William born c1811 was born in Barton, Beds. See reply #32 below.
The Woodhams didn't pitch up in Streatley until after 1817, and I doubt if William moved to Barton before the mid 1830s
I think William was the one born in St Neots in 1809
David
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Of course, you're right, David; thanks. I even have a BIG note saying 'Not Barton!' So it's William Woodham b abt 1809 St Neots/Gamlingay. If baptists baptise when adult why were Samuel and Susannah's 4 daughters baptised as babies, I wonder? (1813-1819)
Thanks again,
Jill
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from the Streatley Monumental Inscriptions.....
0008 Headstone
In memory of Susan Woodham wife of William Woodham who died 17th Dec 1838 aged 30 years
0009 Headstone
In memory of William Woodham who died 14 June 1819 in the 37th year of his age
0010 Headstone
Sacred to the memory of Elizabeth wife of the late William Woodham of Barton and the yougest daughter of Thomas and Phoebe Smyth of Sharpenhoe who departed this life Feb 14th 1872 aged 61 years
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0015 Headstone
In memory of William Woodham who departed this life on June 20th 1858 aged 81 years
0016 Headstone
In memory of Susan wife of William Woodham who died March 30th 1852 aged 64 years. Also of David Woodham son of the above who died Oct 10th 1844 aged 27
that's all the Woodhams, note graves 0001 to 0007 and 0011 to 0014 are all Smyths & a few Kidmans.. If you want them - it'll be tomorrow...
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If baptists baptise when adult why were Samuel and Susannah's 4 daughters baptised as babies, I wonder? (1813-1819)
They weren't - the entries are from a register of births.
.... On 1851 census farming in Streatley is William Woodham, born 1786 Gamlingay & wife Sarah born March, Cambs along with grandson George b 1837 Barton... who turns out to be son of George Woodham & Louisa Allen who married 25 Mar 1836. On 1851 these couple are in Streatley with other children, Sarah, Gabriel, Ann & Elizabeth. George is born 1813 at Gt Gransden, Hunts.
By a strange coincidence I happen to be working on some records for Roberts and Wilson's Brewery based in Ivinghoe, Bucks and found the following census entry in my papers:
1891 Census. Ref: RG12/1258 Folio 18 Schedule 3 - Red Lion, Dagnal, Edlesborough, Bucks
Walter JANES, Head, Mar, 45, Publican and blacksmith, born Bucks Dagnal
Elizabeth JANES, Wife, Mar, 42, born Beds Streatley
Walter JANES, Son, Single, 16, Blacksmith, born Oxon Banbury
George WOODHAM, Father in Law, Widower, 78, Retired farmer, born Hunts Great Gransden
They keep cropping up all over the place!
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... so Orpheus ; Walter Janes married Elizabeth Woodham in Luton RD 3b/1000 in Dec 1873
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johnP.......many thanks for these; they're a great help as they confirm a few things. Also, I've been in touch with Hunts Archives and am being sent copies of St Neots Baptist's births. Hopefully this will confirm William Woodham b a abt 1808-11 plus siblings. I'll post any findings.
And yes, please - any Smyth headstones in Streatley would be appreciated, but not the Kidmans - ta!
And thanks, Orpheus....births! ok!
Oh - thanks also for the George Woodham/Janes info - I'd found a ref. in the Kensworth, Herts directories 1886 for a Gabriel Woodham, beer retailer and straw plait dealer, and a George Woodham, Red Lion PH.
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....and...JohnP and Orpheus......Elizabeth Woodham was born 1849 Streatley (dau ogf George b 1813 Gt Gransden) and she had a brother Gabriel b 1842 who was a farmer at Green End Farm. Elizabeth went on to have a daughter Elizabeth Woodham in 1866, I think - illegit??
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0001 James Smyth died Jan 18 1823 aged 54
0002 Elizabeth daughter of Thomas & Mary Smyth died Jan 30 1800 aged 82
0003 Susannah wife of Thomas Smyth who died in childbirth Aug 1st 1804 aged 28; also SUS daughter of the above aged 3 months
0004 Thomas Smyth late of Sharpenhoe died Sept 3rd 1823 aged 42
0005 Hugh son of Thomas & Mary Smyth died 1 Feb 1800 aged 20
0006 Thomas Smyth son of Thomas & Susan Smyth died at Sharpenhoe on Apr 15 1875 aged 73
0007 Mary wife of Thomas Smyth died July 26 1809 aged 51
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Thanks very much, johnP much appreciated.
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Orpheus,
sorry to bother you again but in your reply no. 34 re burials at Streatley you have 'Susan Woodham of Barton, aged 30 yrs', being buried on 20 Dec 1838. I have her death certificate which states she actually died on 17th Sept 1838 in Barton, and registered on 27th Dec 1838. Is it normal to keep the body for so long before burial? And any ideas on why it took so long to register the death?
As she is my 3x Gt Grandma this keeps puzzling me.
Regards,
Jill
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Hi Guys
I don't know how far you've all got with this lot, but if you would like a 100+ page resumee of the Beds, Cambs, Essex, Woodhams so far please let me know. I'm sure I can answer some of these queries if you haven't already sorted them out.
Take care
Tickle
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Hello Tickle,
My Woodhams seem to have lived in Risley, Beds in the mid-1600's, then in Gamlingay, Cambs., Barton Le Clay, Beds., Streatley, Beds., Royston, Herts., and then Islington and Shoreditch in London in the past 100 or so years. If you think your 'resume' Woodhams might be connected to my Woodhams please contact me on (*)
Many thanks,
Jill
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Jill, I'm intrigued! How have you linked William born c1785 in St Neots, with Woodhams in Riseley 150 years earlier?
David
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It's easy when you know how! The Woodhams moved across country from Beds through Cambs to Essex and beyond through the 18th century. I'm almost certain they are connected to the Sharnbrook family as well, and the Nash Woodhams in Cambs, and also connected to some well connected familes in S Cambs as well. The full explanation goes through 300 pages and has taken at least 10 years to sort out, so if you're interested let me know.
Tickle
PS Jill, I'll be back to you shortly.
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David, I'm still trying to make out old wills etc but it seems to go like this......
.......William Woodham b c1778-1786 Gamlingay died in Barton 1859. His death cert states he was 81yrs, hence the c 1778 dob, and that he was a 'Gentleman'. He married Sarah Hutchinson (another baptist family) in 1806 Graveley and they went on to have Gabriel c 1809 (named after Sarah's father), William c 1809, George 1813 Gt Gransden, Hunts., John c 1816 and David c 1820. Gabriel and William bpt St Neots HARDWICKE 1809.
William Woodham b c 1778-86 had parents William Woodham b c 1756 Gamlingay and Mary Mead. William and Mary had other kids including Samuel b c 1782 Gamlingay, who eventually married Susanna Careless and had, among others, a son called NODES Woodham.
William b c 1756 died in 1833 and left a will (I have a copy) in which he bequeathed stuff to Susannah, widow of his son Samuel, and also his daughter, now Mary Manning. He bequeathed his house, land and malting to his younger son Thomas leaving his eldest son only £400 to be paid out by Thomas.
William b 1756 had parents John Woodham b 1688 Gamlingay, Cambs. and d 1772 Risley, Beds. and 2nd wife Rebecca NODES. I have a copy of this John's will too which leaves bequests to his son William and his grandson, John Woodham, son of his 1st wife's son Benjamin (aka Benning Woodham, maybe I think). His 1st wife was Barabara Benning. He also bequeathed to his other G'sons George and John Triplow, sons of his daughter Elizabeth by Barbara. There is more but I haven't finished 'transcribing' it yet.
I think this John Woodham b 1688 might have had a father called Thomas Woodham b c 1659 Risley, as John christened his second son 'Thomas' in Thriplow in 1719. Barbara Benning was born in Thriplow in c 1690.
I hope you can now see why I've linked my William Woodham b c 1781 Gamlingay to the Risley Woodhams. Please tell me if you can see any glaring mistakes, David.
Jill
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Hi Jill
I'm going through it at this very moment, but I may be interrupted by having to take a shower!
One quick observation - I can't see a 1772 burial of John in Riseley (just 1774) but there is a 28 Oct 1772 burial of John Woodham age 83 in Gamlingay. Is he yours? But a snap judgment is that I can't see a link from Gamlingay to Riseley
I'll be back with my considered thoughts a bit later
David
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Hello Jill and David
The John Woodham buried in Gamlingay Oct 1772 was born in Riseley, married Barbara Benning in Granchester in 1714 and is my 6x great grandfather. He in turn was one of 10 children born to Thomas Woodham and Susannah Webb who married at Riseley in 1687 and had 4 sons and 6 daughters born all over the place, Riseley, Gt Abington, Croydon (Cambs,) etc. This family has been a nightmare to track down and it has taken a long time. I am almost sure they connect to the Woodham family at Sharnbrook, and they are also connected to Woodhams at Riseley, Keysoe, Ely, Knotting, Gamlingay, London, Steeple Bumpstead. Newport, (Essex), and many other places in between. They were all (almost) non-conformists, certainly in the 17th/18th century, independents (congregationalists) rather than Baptists, and farmers. I have traced them through Wills, Independent Church Books, and documents, and because of their economy in using a select few first names, they are very confusing.
So, over the weekend I'm going to try and go through this thread and answer as many of your questions as I can. It will take some time, and weather permitting I have gardening to do as well, so please be patient. The alternative would be to send you a huge file, and let you play with that! But your queries may answer some of mine so I think I would rather reply to you.
Hope this helps. Watch this space
Are we all cousins?
John
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Hello Tickle
Do you info on Thomas & Susannah's daughter Dinah baptised in 1703 at Croydon cum Clapton . . . . . . & the Thomas Partridge she married in 1733 at Sharnbrook...
see http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,469576.0.html
cheers John
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Sorry! Wrong Dinah. The one at Croydon was buried 9 Dec 1703 also at Croydon. Back to the drawing board I'm afraid on that one. If she was married at Sharnbrook I would look to the Sharnbrook family for an answer to that one. And I haven't done much on the later Sharnbrook family so I can't help directly, though Sharnbrook is on the IGI. However, some of the Sharnbrook lot were also non-conformist!
Good luck
Tickle
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Hello Tickle and John,
Tickle, did Barbara Benning die and her husband remarry a Rebecca Nodes, or was one of their sons called John also, and was he the one that married a Rebecca Nodes? If we can prove this bit of my tree then, yes, my Woodham tree and yours are related. I could also do with a bit more 'proof info' on William Woodham b abt 1878/86 Gamlingay who married SArah Hutchinson and had a son, William, around 1809 (bpt St Neots at the Old Meeting House 26 Feb 1809)
If proved without doubt, John Woodham buried 1772 Gamlingay, would be my 6xGt Grandad also. So, maybe, "Hi Cousin"!!
Jill
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........and I meant to add that I now think Benning Woodham c 1720-1760 and the Benjamin Woodham I mentioned previously are two different people.
Jill
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........and I meant to add that I now think Benning Woodham c 1720-1760 and the Benjamin Woodham I mentioned previously are two different people.
Jill
So do I! If Benning predeceased his father then he wouldn't normally be mentioned in the father's will, unless the father left bequests to the children/widow of "my late son Benning"
There's a burial of Barbary Woodham at Thriplow on 13 July 1734. There's a Nodes Woodham born Gamlingay in 1828 which implies a link between the London marriage to Rebecca Nodes and Cambs, although that marriage was three generations earlier so it seems to be a bit remote.
David (a SKS who has no connection to the Woodham name!)
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I think this John Woodham b 1688 might have had a father called Thomas Woodham b c 1659 Risley, as John christened his second son 'Thomas' in Thriplow in 1719.
Jill, any more info on the Thomas Woodham born Riseley 1659 - he was not baptised there according to PR. Is he the one baptised at Knotting 3 Dec 1659 son of Twiford & Mary ? . An Eliz daughter of Twyford Woodham was baptised at Riseley on 4 Nov 1661.
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I think this John Woodham b 1688 might have had a father called Thomas Woodham b c 1659 Risley, as John christened his second son 'Thomas' in Thriplow in 1719.
Who didn't have a son named Thomas? If the usual naming pattern had been followed it would have been his first son who would have been named Thomas. What's the evidence for the 1719 baptism in Thriplow? Is this the same Thomas Woodham who was buried in Thriplow on 4 June 1719?
I still can't see anything that links John who married Barbara Benning of Thriplow at Grantchester with Riseley
David
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Sorry! Wrong Dinah. The one at Croydon was buried 9 Dec 1703 also at Croydon.
Thank's for that - that's mucked up Richard Scarr's family tree - he has that the Dinah from Croydon married Thomas Partridge ... but then he does say that Sharnbrook & Potton are in Cambs -- must be American !
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Sorry! Wrong Dinah. The one at Croydon was buried 9 Dec 1703 also at Croydon.
........... he has that the Dinah from Croydon married Thomas Partridge ... but then he does say that Sharnbrook & Potton are in Cambs -- must be American !
It's the Meatloaf method of genealogy - "Two out of Three Ain't Bad". The name's right; the date's about right, the place is wrong but what the heck! It must be the same person. WRONG!
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JohnP and David,
I found all of this early Woodham info on various internet sites so I can't vouch for any of it - hence my search for the true facts!
David, I think the Barbary woodham burial 1734 Thriplow sounds plausible, but I've got she was born in Thriplow 1690 and died in Gamlingay 1734. I've also got that one of her children by John were born in Thriplow Thomas 1719-1719 (just online info so I'm unsure of it). Her other kids seem to have been born in Southill Beds or Arrington, Cambs. - but remember I have no documentary proof of this.
I still think I could be missing a generation between John and Barbara and my William Woodham b 1756 Gamlingay.
I've had another look at the 1772 will of John Woodham, gentleman of Gamlingay......it definitely says 'my son William Woodham' as the first bequest. It bequests him messuages, cottages, lands etc in Bottisham, Cambs. He then bequeaths 'unto my grandson John Woodham son of my late son Benjamin Woodham...messuages, cots, land etc in Gamlingay'. He then tells son William to give £50 to his grandsons George and John Triplow, sons of his daughter Elizabeth who married a Mr Triplow. It also says 'as soon as my son Wiliam woodham shall have attained the age of one and twenty' so William was still a minor in 1772. He also bequeaths to 'the children of Edward Simms? by my daughter Sarah Simms? Then he bequeaths to the children of 'my late son Benning Woodham' (ah-ha! Benning and Benjamin were brothers!) and to the widow of Benning. It also leaves messuages etc to' Rebecca my loving wife' in Gamlingay.
I hope this might help unravel things a little.
Just one little thing; I said this John b abt 1688 Gamlingay might have had parents Thomas b 1659 Risley and his wife Susana Webb m in Risley. Well, John named his first daughter Susannah according to my online findings. Connection perhaps?
Jill
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If you guys will just hold your horses for a day or two I will answer all your questions. Patience people. I can save you a lot of debate and typing if you can just hang on! There are so many barkings up so many wrong trees. Like I said before, it's simple when you know how!
Tickle
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Sorry Tickle, patience was never one of my virtues. Can't wait that long. Genealogy is very simple. We know how. All you have to do is find a baptism. From that you get the names of the parents. You then find their marriage. You then get the baptisms of the parents. Then repeat the cycle. You pad it out with wills if you're lucky. A piece of cake! I wait with bated breath! In the meantime....,
Jill, use online trees as a guide only, and check the facts for yourself. "I found all of this early Woodham info on various internet sites so I can't vouch for any of it - hence my search for the true facts!" Spot on! Most online trees are inaccurate; some verge on the fictional. You only need to look at your Woodhams to prove that. Most have John died in Riseley in 1772 (or Risley as most seem to have incorrectly spelt it, a sure giveaway that they've just copied each other) which is easily disproved.
The 1772 will looks to be very helpful. John lived in Gamlingay. Son Benning was dead. Son Benjamin was dead. His wife was Rebecca. Gamlingay parish register gives his age on burial as 83. His son William was a minor in 1772. So I don't think you've missed a generation. What concerns me though is what other children were born between 1735 when John married Rebecca Nodes in London, and when William was baptised in 1756. That's an awfully big gap to fill!
Who were the children of Thomas & Susannah who were said to be born in Southill (and who don't appear in Southill parish register)? William Woodham who married Mary Cooper in Southill in 1771 and who baptised five children there, was from Keysoe, Beds. There's a Mr John Woodham of Gastlings buried at Southill on 14 Jan 1771, and a William Woodham, yeoman, on 4 Aug 1784 (possibly the one who married in 1771). I can't see an obvious connection between the Southill Woodham family to the Gamlingay one. There are no Woodhams appearing in Southill Independent Church Book, so this family at least don't seem to have been non-conformist. http://blars.adlibsoft.com/wwwopac.exe?DATABASE=catalo%3Earchives&LANGUAGE=0&DEBUG=0&BRIEFADAPL=../web/adapls/wwwreq&DETAILADAPL=../web/adapls/wwwreq&%250=400153207&LIMIT=50 shows that a John Woodham was living in Stanford, a hamlet of Southill possibly in 1737.
There are a number of Twiford Woodham burials at Ely, and numerous Woodham burials there. I wonder if Twyford Woodham in north Beds is connected?
David
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Like I said, patience. Jill has the file with all the answers to all the queries you have just posed, so she doesn't really need any more hypothetical questions. If you're anywhere near Bedford Archives the Woodham file has been deposited there as well. Ely, Riseley, Keysoe, Southill, Thriplow, Gamlingay, Debden, Widdington, Streatley, Sandy, Beeston, Croydon, Linton, Whittlesford, Abbotsley, Great Gransden, Clavering,and a whole lot of other places are all, as you surmised, connected. The rest is up to you.
Tickle
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I didn't surmise that all the places were connected. On the contrary. I live in the south of France, so trips to BLARS are few and far between. In any event I have no interest in the Woodhams, other than trying to help people who pose questions on these boards.
Jill, notwithstanding that you've now received all the answers to my queries, if you have any queries please feel free to post them!
David
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So not having access to 'the file' I am going to pose another question. If Tickle or now Jill would send me a PM with your email address I will PM you back with mine, & one of you can send it on, thanks
Is the Susan(nah) Webb that married Thomas Woodham in Riseley in 1687 related to the Sarah Webb who married Gulielmus (William) Woodham in Eaton Socon on 14 Apr 1690
Regards John
(sorry got to go & get ready - meeting someone in Olney at 7:00pm)
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There's a Mr John Woodham of Gastlings buried at Southill on 14 Jan 1771, and a William Woodham, yeoman, on 4 Aug 1784 (possibly the one who married in 1771). I can't see an obvious connection between the Southill Woodham family to the Gamlingay one.
David. Even though I don't have access to 'the file' I think I can answer the above query. I found the following on A2A (Access to Archives) whioch is now part of The National Archives site. The original document is at BLARS.
BLARS Ref: HF13/5/12 Bargain and Sale dated 7 Feb 1767 mentions
Parties: 1. John WOODHAM the elder of Gamlingay, Cambs, gent
2. John WOODHAM the younger of Southill (son and heir of above)
Property: 4 acres of arable land in the fields and bounds of Clifton and Henlow some time purchased by 1. from Mary KING.
A part of the same document quotes John WOODHAM of Little Wild Street, Lincolns Inn Fields, Middlesex, coachmaker (nephew of John WOODHAM late of Gastlings, Southill, gent, deceased) as vendor of the above property 14 & 15 Oct 1771.
According to A2A BLARS has at least two other documents mentioning John WOODHAM of Gamlingay. The first is dated 7 Feb 1756 when John WOODHAM acquired a mortgage of £70 from Thomas THOMPSON of Potton, barber and peruke maker, for a cottage or tenement with orchard and appurtenants at Wilden in the occupation of George FITZHUGH. BLARS Ref X631/17. Evidently John didn't receive the £70 so the property was vested in him and the second document (BLARS Ref: X631/21) refers to its subsequent conveyance.
There may also be other documents relating to these families on A2A but the following , held at Somerset Archives could be interesting.
1797 George, Earl of Macclesfield leased two farms in Gamlingay, Cambs, to Willam WOODHAM of (part of document missing) in Cambridgeshire for 12 years.
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Thanks Orpheus. I'd found the two documents naming John Woodham of Gamlingay, and the £70 mortgage, but not the other one, which is much more relevant to the Southill situation.
So the John who was buried at Southill in 1771 was the son of John of Gamlingay, and was given land in Henlow and Clifton in 1767 by his father. After his death he appears to have left the land to his nephew, another John, who sold it later in 1771. What the connection was, if any, between William Woodham of Keysoe who married in Southill in 1771 remains to be established.
Thanks for helping to fit another piece to the jigsaw
David
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Bedfordshire Boy, David - I have taken onboard all of your advice especially re online info - thanks. And If you think there wasn't another generation between John c 1688 Gamilngay and William 1756 Gamlingay then I'll go along with that too. I had found alot of the Access to Archives info you mention but, unlike you, couldn't work out where it all fitted in - so thanks for your input on it.
All of your help, and time, has been much appreciated - I now feel that slowly, oh so slowly, things are gradually becoming clearer.
Best wishes,
Jill
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The William Woodham who was married in Southill in 1771 was the 'cousin' who married Mary Cooper, who was housekeeper (probably) of John Woodham of Gastlings (d 1771), who still had a wife Elizabeth living in Newport, Essex. Part of the condition of William inheriting John's estate was that he married Mary Cooper, which he obligingly did within 3 weeks! (Who wouldn't!) John and Elizabeth were estranged and lived apart for some time. Their children are the Woodhams of Steeple Bumpstead among others. William and Mary had 2 kids (William & Susanna) baptised at Keysoe before moving to Stanfordbury, Southill, for the third (Sara, m John Hart,) in 1774. William died in 1784, and was succeeded, apparently, at Stanfordbury by son John who died sometime after 1829, when he is recorded on a mortgage. He is not mentioned in his father's will but two brothers William and Thomas are. The Woodhams tend not to mention eldest sons in Wills on a number of occasions, probably because they have already had property in the way of farms settled on them during father's life time. Incidentally, Willliam is the son of Thomas Woodham and Margery Clark, of Beeston, Sandy. Thomas of Beeston died intestate in 1747, and William is identified from the administration.
Told you it was complicated!
Have a nice Sunday
Tickle
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Thanks Tickle. I believe you when you say it was complicated!
I will do my best to have a great Sunday. Mad dogs and Englishman play pétanque in the midday sun in the south of France! And that's where I'm going in a few minutes. Probably be safer sitting indoors in front of the screen looking for dead people, but I'll take a chance!
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Enjoy the petanque "et quelquechose a boire sans doute! une verre peut-être?"
Take care
Tickle
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? ? ? related to the Sarah Webb who married Gulielmus (William) Woodham in Eaton Socon on 14 Apr 1690
Are these the William & Sarah Woodham mentioned in the back pages of the Riseley PR transcript
Dissentors
Thomas the son of William & Sarah Woodham was born February 9th 1690/1
William the son of William & Sarah Woodham was born May 4th 1694
The third son of William & Sarah Woodham was born July 15th 1696
Anabaptists
John the son William & Sarah Woodham born 14th Jan 1703/4
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Yes these are the children of William and Sarah Webb who married at Eaton Socon 14 Apr 1690, The family moved to Arrington after 1703. William jr died in 1730 and is buried at St Mary, Gamlingay, his father died in 1750 and is buried in the Meeting house yard at Gamlingay. Sarah died in 1730 and is buried at St Mary G. Thomas may be the Thomas in Keysoe in 1743, but I have no further information about him.
Tickle
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John P and Orpheus
To save me reading through 17 pages of messages can you give me an idea of where you're stuck with the Woodhams and I'll endeavour to find you an answer.
Take care
John
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Hi Tickle
Thank you for your kind offer but I don't actually have any WOODHAM ancestors. I just like to help out others if I can.
Regards ... Orpheus
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Happened to come across a few London Apprentice records for Beds Woodhams, which might help someone:
WOODHAM, Webb, son of Thomas, Sandy Beds, husbandman dec'd, to William Harris 20 Jun 1749, Carmens' Company
WOODHAM, John, son of Benning, Southill Beds, yeoman, to William Ringsted, 8 Dec 1757, Coachmakers' & Coach Harness Makers' Company
WOODHAM, Samuel, son of John, Sharnbrook, Beds, victualler, to George Summerlin, 4 Jan 1782, Paviours' Company
David
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Thanks David, Where are these Apprentice records found ?
Anyway, the last one may be in my lot (or perhaps the lot I link to)
Samuel Woodham, son of John & Sarah Woodham baptised Sharnbrook 16/07/1769.
I think his parents were J W & Sarah Cranfield who married at Kempston on 1 Jan 1744; as well as first child William baptised Kempstion 3/1/1745, they had 3 children baptised Bedford St John 1749-1753 where baptisms say parents are from Sharnbrook, & last 5 children incl the above Samuel baptised Sharnbrook 1758 - 1769.
cheers John
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Dear JohnP-Bedford, I notice that you wrote to Nichola on Thursday the 5th May (year not sure of) regarding Eli Pike Married Sept 1869 and living in Taunton St James, Somerset, do you have any further details of the person(s) whom may be searching this person as he is my Great Great Grandfather.
Any help would be greatfully acknowledged
best wishes
Jason Taylor
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John, this is the thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,55229.0.html
Nothing to do with this Woodham thread
Jason - why don't you just send Nicola a personal message? Just click on her name in blue on the left hand side of her message on the above thread, then scroll down to the bottom - Send this Rootschatter a personal message.
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Thanks David; that was way back in 2005 - and Nicola still hasn't responded to the topic... although last online in June this year. Hope Jason gets a better result
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Thank you for that, I did just as you say, she responded to say that her "Pikes" were in Wiltshire and nothing to do with my "Pikes" based 20 miles away in Taunton.
My father was born in the Workhouse in Burnley and his father is not mentioned on his Birth Certificate, do you know how I might be able to find his father without knowing his fathers name at birth.
Many thanks for your help
Jason
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What name did your father give for his father on his marriage certificate?
If no name was given you're probably stuck, unless he was baptised and a friendly vicar added a father's name
David
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Hi David,
There is no name for his father on the birth certificate and I don't know if he was baptised, he was a choir boy in Burnley so there is a possibility there, where would I start to find baptism for 1937
Regards,
Jason
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David - before this Pike conversation goes on a bit further, perhaps you'd get the mods to attach it to the original Devon topic to stop confusing this Woodhams thread.
cheers john
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A Bedfordshire Historical Record Society publication, vol 68, 1989, “The Bedford Moravian Church in the Eighteenth Century” contains a reference to John Woodham, which is worth recording.
The book includes a scan of ‘Catalogue of the Bedford Congregation’ showing the first Brothers. The second entry reads:
John Woodham, Church of England, husbandman. Born Sharnbrook in Bedfordshire
10 May 1716. Received/baptised 27 Oct 1744. First admitted to the Sacrament 9 Dec 1744. Office: Intercessor 3 June 1745. Marryd to Eliz. Payne 2 Feb 1744/5 (at Bedford St Paul per IGI). Became widower 30 Jan 1748/9 (Elizabeth Woodham age 26 buried at Bedford Moravian 1 Feb 1749 per NBI), Married again to Sus. Parker 1756 (10 Feb 1757 at Bedford St Paul per IGI) Excluded for bad behaviour 1757 (Pell’s wife had laid a charge against him). Departed. (his wife Susannah appears to have stayed in the Moravian community for there’s a Susannah Woodham age 79 buried at Bedford Moravian on 9 Feb 1792)
There’s also the wording of his settlement certicate: To the Churchwardens and Overseers of the Poor of the parish of St Peters Bedford, from the Churchwardens and Overseers of the Poor of the parish of Warden in Bedfordshire ………..that John Woodham and his wife Elizabeth are inhabitants legally settled in the said parish of Warden. Dated 22 November 1746.
So at some stage he moved from Sharnbrook to Warden (which is next door to Southill)
I don’t know if he was connected to the Southill Woodhams, or if it’s just coincidence that he lived at Old Warden. I can’t see an obvious burial for him.
David
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Just came across this thread the other day and I think I may be conoodnected to the Woodhams via the Sarah Woodham/Simms mentioned in the will of John Woodham d.1772 in Gamlingay.
"He also bequeaths to 'the children of Edward Simms? by my daughter Sarah Simms? Then he bequeaths to the children of 'my late son Benning Woodham' (ah-ha! Benning and Benjamin were brothers!) and to the widow of Benning. It also leaves messuages etc to' Rebecca my loving wife' in Gamlingay."
Edward Simms 1717-1773 from Southill m. to Sarah is my 6x g.grandfather and there is a marriage of a Edward Simms to a Sarah Woodham in Marston Moretaine in 1745 which would fit with the subsequent baptisms of their children from 1746 onwards in Southill (and just noticed that their first 2 children seem to be a John and a Barbara, the names of Sarah's parents). Not sure why they would have been married in Marston Moretaine, although it doesn't seem so far from Southill.
Am still trying to sort all the various Woodham's from the thread in my head but am happy to provide what further info I have on Edward and Sarah's descendents if anyone wants it.
Best regards,
Emily
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Hi Emily
The Woodhams, as you've gathered, are a very widespread and complex bunch of folk. First question, how do you know Benjamin and Benning are brothers? Benjamin in John Woodham's will is apparently a mistranscription by the scribe, ( although a Benjamin Woodham is buried at Everton in 1768, which could also be a mishearing of Benning,)
Everton cum Tetworth registers - the originals are at Huntingdon.
Buried in the year 1646 Elizabeth Woodham May 6 Affidavit before Mr Foley
1765 Joseph Woodham buried September 10
1768 Benjamin Woodham a married man of Biggleswade buried Mar 3.
Edward Sims and Sarah were married at MM:
Marston Moretaine Register:
"Married in ye Year 1745
Edward Sims & Sarah Woodham L both of Southwell in this County June ye 23rd." (L for Licence. Non-conformist families usually married away from their home parish in case the vicar tried to mend their erring ways by baptising them first!)
So you are definitely one of the clan!
I would like your descent from the Simms please, and in return I'll supply a few more details on the Woodhams if you need them.
Tickle
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Hi Tickle,
I actually have no idea if Benning/Benjamin are brothers/the same person as I was just trying to quote that bit with the Simms link from post 41 (but used copy and paste rather than doing it properly).
My Simms descendency: Edward Simms and Sarah Woodham had at least 7 children in Southill. Their daughter Rachel Simms (c.1758) married William Harwood 11/10/1784 in Southill and they had 8 children in Arlesey and Clifton.
William and Rachel's youngest son Thomas Harwood (c. 1797) (my 4x ggrandfather) had 9 children in Clifton/Shefford with Elizabeth Wortley/Worrely although I can't find a marriage for them anywhere but I have the birth cert of one of their children.
Thomas and Elizabeth's oldest daughter Emma Harwood m Ephrain Pope from Welwyn in Clifton in 1849. Their son Charles Henry (b.1862 in Shefford) is my g g grandfather and the family moved to London in the 1860's.
So my Simms descendency actually turns into Harwoods and Pope's rather quickly.
Regarding the Woodhams, I haven't had time to sort them all out in my head completely yet, but think I understand it mostly as far back as John (d1772) being the son of Thomas b1659 in Knotting and Susannah Webb.
Thomas is descended from Twyford and Mary but then I don't seem to find anywhere a christening or marriage for Twyford (although I did find some online trees with him being born 1635 and marrying at the age of 11 in 1646!?!)
Twyford is possibly the son of Thomas Woodham and Elizabeth Throgmorton???
Hope the above all makes some sense...
With best regards,
Emily
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Hi Emily
Thanks for the info which I have put onto my database. Charles Henry's children are 5th cousins twice removed, so you and I are 'distant' cousins.
I'm as sure as I can be that Thomas Woodham's (1659-1739) parents were Twyford and Mary, and his parents were Thomas (c1610 - 1673) and Elizabeth (maybe Throckmorton, though I can't pin that one down,) and his parents John Woodham and Agnes, but that is also not proven. By now we're back to Sharnbrook at the end of the 16th century. So many of them were non-conformists, that unless there is a marriage with detail, (rare in 17th century,) or a will, they are extremely hard to sort out. The initial research took nearly 15 years and was an absolute nightmare.
Pleased to 'meet' you.
Take care
Tickle
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Hi all,
The last of the line that I have for my Woodham`s is JW and Sarah Cranfield. Is the line under discussion linked to them??
Linda.
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Hi Linda
Can you be more specific as to time and place please.
TVM
Tickle
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Don't worry, found it. Marriage 1744 at Kempston. Quite likely that they are connected but can't tell you how. John was a fairly common name among Woodhams. There was a John Woodham son of Thomas Woodham and Sarah Stoakes baptised at Riseley 12 June 1726 who would fit, just, but no way of knowing without further investigation. I would get hold of the original entry for the marriage, and see if it gives you any details which parish John came from, (Kempston is likely to be the bride's parish, but even that is not infallible.) and see what it tells you. There was another John Woodham married in Bedford in 1744 as well, so it gets more confusing.
Hope this helps
Tickle
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Thistle,
Thanks for the further Woodham info. It is difficult isn't it the further one goes back to be 100% sure one has the "right" person, especially when they are all called things like John and Thomas. And when most people probably weren't very literate either to be able to check that their details were all written correctly by the priest/etc.
With best regards,
Emily
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Thank you very much Tickle. You are correct, John is an extremely common name in the Woodham family. it was quite a relief to find a Philip to ring the changes. ;)
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Hi all,
The last of the line that I have for my Woodham`s is JW and Sarah Cranfield. Is the line under discussion linked to them??
Linda.
I may have posted this before or you may well know the details.
John Woodham & Sarah Cranfield were married at Kempston on 1 Jan 1744/45, both were from Kempston as per the PR transcript. They baptised first child William at Kempston on 3 Nov 1745 (born 20/10/1745), the next child John baptised at Felmersham on 1 Feb 1745/46 (he was buried Sharnbrook on 5 Feb 1747/48). Then the next 3 children - John 4 May 1749, Mary 1 May 1751 & Nathaniel 18 Nov 1753 - were baptised Bedford St.John's where the PR says parents were from Sharnbrook. The next 5 children - Jeffrey 1 Nov 1758, Phillip 9 Jun 1760, Elizabeth 4 Jun 1762, Susannah 25 Apr 1765 & Samuel 16 Jul 1769 were all baptised Sharnbrook. There is also a burial of Sarah, daughter of John & Sarah Woodham buried on 1 Jan 1771 at Sharnbrook but I cannot see the baptism. Also I've not found the deaths/burials of parents John and Sarah.
** NB. There is a burial in Sharnbrook on 23 Jul 1782 of John Woodham, junior that I suspect to be John's son John who was baptised 1749 who married Elizabeth Neale on 6/10/1768. this indicates J W senior is still alive at this time.
John Woodham was alive & living in Sharnbrook as per the apprentice record found by David in 2011. WOODHAM, Samuel, son of John, Sharnbrook, Beds, victualler, to George Summerlin, 4 Jan 1782, Paviours' Company. Samuel would be age 13.
Despite Sarah Cranfield being of Kempston on her marriage I think she was born in Cardington as there's a baptism of Sarah, daughter of Jonathan & Sarah Cranfield at Cardington on 26 Sept 1726 which ties in nicely agewise being age 19 at her marriage. Jonathan Cranfield was a farmer/yeoman of Harrowden & buried on 14/11/1736 aged 52. Beds Archives have his will ref 1736/8. His first wife Sarah was buried at Willington on 3 Jan 1729/30 the PR stating wife of Jonathan Cranfield "belonging to Cardington Parish". Jonathan Cranfield, yeoman married Sarah Hancock at Kempston on 2 July 1724 by licence.
But this still doesn't tell us where John Woodham comes from & who were his parents.
Anyone found this yet?
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......There was a John Woodham son of Thomas Woodham and Sarah Stoakes baptised at Riseley 12 June 1726 who would fit, just, but no way of knowing without further investigation.....
Tickle
Thomas Woodham married Sarah Stoakes of Riseley at Podington on 20 Jan 1725/26 by licence. This is the only Woodham name in the Podington PR transcript up to 1812. They baptised son John at Riseley on 12 Jun 1726, their only child there.
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Good afternoon John,
Many thanks for all that information. I will go through it and see where it all fits in with my line. Hope it helps others in the thread.
Lots of familiar names there, just too many Johns to make life simple. ;)
Linda.
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A Bedfordshire Historical Record Society publication, vol 68, 1989, “The Bedford Moravian Church in the Eighteenth Century” contains a reference to John Woodham.......
John Woodham, Church of England, husbandman. Born Sharnbrook in Bedfordshire
10 May 1716. Received/baptised 27 Oct 1744. First admitted to the Sacrament 9 Dec 1744. Office: Intercessor 3 June 1745. Marryd to Eliz. Payne 2 Feb 1744/5 (at Bedford St Paul per IGI). Became widower 30 Jan 1748/9 (Elizabeth Woodham age 26 buried at Bedford Moravian 1 Feb 1749 per NBI), Married again to Sus. Parker 1756 (10 Feb 1757 at Bedford St Paul per IGI) Excluded for bad behaviour 1757 (Pell’s wife had laid a charge against him). Departed. (his wife Susannah appears to have stayed in the Moravian community for there’s a Susannah Woodham age 79 buried at Bedford Moravian on 9 Feb 1792)
More info on the above from the Church of The United Brethren transcript available at Bedford Library....
Marriage 2 Feb 1745 at Bedford St.Pauls by licence
John Woodham, husbandman, bachelor of Bedford to Elizabeth, spinster, daughter of John & Anna Maria Pain of Thurleigh.
** Baptism at Thurleigh on 3 Apr 1722 of Elizabeth daughter of John Paine
Baptism 12 Feb 1747 Anna Maria daughter of John & Elizabeth Woodham of Bedford, born 5 Feb 1747
Baptism 25 Jan 1749 Elizabeth daughter of John & Elizabeth Woodham of Bedford St.Peters, born 9 Jan 1749 at 10am.
Burial 1 Feb 1749 Elizabeth Woodham age 26 wife of John Woodham, died 30 Jan 1749, buried at St.Peters
** Bedford St.Peters burial 1 Feb 1748/49 Elizabeth (methodist) wife of John Woodham
Burial 12 Feb 1749 Elizabeth Woodham age 1 month, daughter of John & Elizabeth Woodham of St.Peters, died 10 Feb 1749
Burial Anna Maria Woodham age 8 years 7 weeks, daughter of John & Elizabeth Woodham of Bedford, died 3 Apr 1755
Marriage no date but between 1754 - 1761, John Woodham, sieve-maker of Bedford to Susannah Parker, widow, daughter of Thomas & ? Mary Watts of Biddenham.
** The marriage was at Bedford St Pauls on 10 Feb 1757
** Biddenham baptism 6 Apr 1712 Susan, daughter of Thomas & Mary Watts
** Bedford St.Pauls burial on 11 May 1786 John Woodham from St.Pauls, Pauper
Burial 9 Feb 1792 Susannah Woodham age 79, widow died 6 Feb 1792 at Bedford
Just thought I'd post the info as it may be of interest to others, but who is this John Woodham born 10 May 1716 at Sharnbrook?
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Hello John
Thanks for that lot!! Interesting stuff, but no hint as to who John Woodham born 1716 is. Not even one in the whole of Beds. However, the Woodhams did flirt with non-conformism on a fairly regular basis, so he may have been born in the generation which was in that state of mind at the time.
Tickle
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Thank you John. That's very interesting. He seems to be a bit of a mystery man but I am going with tickles theory.
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More Moravian findings of the Woodham name via Beds Archives site.... ref MO4/36/11
Page 36 entry no.11
Ann Smith (maiden name Woodham), Church of England, MS
Born: Sep 1750 at Milton in Bedfordshire
Received: 16 Nov 1783 at Bedford
First admitted to the sacrament: 5 Sept 1784 at Bedford
Office: Now become a widow.
Seems this is Ann Woodhams, baptised Milton Ernest on 23 Sep 1750, daughter of William Woodham & Elizabeth Hart who married at M/E on 3 Oct 1742. Ann married Samuel Smith of Finedon at M/E on 21 Aug 1774. They had 3 children baptised at M/E in 1776/1778/1781.
Samuel Smith was buried Bedford Moravian on 24 Apr 1789 age 40 (=1749)
Anne Smith also buried Bedford Moravian on 28 Mar 1830 age 80 (=1750)
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The Moravian church in that part of Beds is very interesting. My branch of the Woodhams were Moravians up to the 1960`s when my Great grandfathers sister was buried in the Moravian churchyard in Pertenhall. Thank you John.
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I am a bit hesitant about adding to this thread, but as I am also struggling with Woodhams, here goes.
I am interested in the Thomas Woodham mentioned earlier, breeches maker of St Neots, who married Sarah Cook and who died in 1846.
He was aged 66 when he died, and the 1841 census shows him as born out of county. However he was otp when he married Sarah at St Neots in 1808.
His presumed birth year c1779 makes it a possibility that he is the son of William Woodham and Mary née Cooper - baptised in December 1779 at Southill.
A Sarah Woodham married George Fowler at St Neots in 1798. Witnesses are Susannah, Mary and William Woodham. Sarah and George had a son baptised at St Neots in 1802, also George Fowler.
Thomas Woodham's will of 1846 names George Fowler, surgeon of Surrey as one of his executors, which suggests that he may be someone whom Thomas knows as family.
George Fowler, surgeon aged 49 (born in St Neots) is visiting St Neots in 1851.
George Fowler senior died in 1811. His will (PCC) names William Woodham, farmer of Gamlingay as one of his executors. If he is a relative George doesn't say.
Sarah Fowler (née Woodham) remarried in 1825 to Samuel Parker, widower of Great Staughton, Huntingdonshire. The couple are recorded living in Great Staughton in 1841.
Samuel Parker died in 1844. His will (PCC) mentions his wife's son, George Fowler.
In 1851 Sarah Parker, widow aged 77 is at the home of her son in Newington, Surrey with her grandchildren Sarah and William Fowler. Her birthplace is Stanfordbury, Bedfordshire. Stanfordbury is a hamlet in the parish of Southill.
Upthread it is mentioned that the daughter of William Woodham and Mary née Cooper named Sarah (baptised at Southill in 1774) married a man named Hart - and there is a marriage at Southill of Sarah Woodham to John Hart in 1790.
Am I missing something that might help?
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Hi Galium
It's nice to be back with the proverbial 'can of worms' again. I have left the Woodhams alone for a long time, mostly from sheer frustration.
Having had another rummage, not very effectively because the St Neots records are so sparse, I'm thinking that there is some confusion with the Sarah Woodhams and who they married. William Woodham (d 1784) had as one of his executors a Henry Fryer of Hailweston in Hunts. Henry Fryer married a Sarah Woodham c 1765 (two children baptised at Pertenhall maybe?) So maybe Sarah daughter of William of Keysoe/Stanfordbury married Mr Fryer not Mr Hart. The Sarah who married John Hart must be a similar age, and in the back of my mind I have a John Hart mentioned in one of the Woodham Wills (of which I have dozens,) and I haven't managed to catch up with him yet, but I will in the fullness thereof and report back.
In the meantime, thanks for the info on the St Neots crowd who have eluded me for some time.
Re the Fowlers, George junior's brother William was a solicitor which may explain some of the connections. Do you have the full entry for the marriage of George to Sarah Woodham in 1798? I would like to have that to see if it gives any more information.
It's interesting to have a confusion of Sarahs for a change. It's usually Thomas John or William, so welcome to the madhouse cousin, and please could you tell us your line of descent so we can add you to the ever expanding tree.
Thanks
Tickle
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Hi Tickle. Thomas Woodham is my husband's ancestor via his daughter Mary (who married Isaac Stocker at St Neots, 10 February 1832. They moved to London, where Mary died in 1856.
I don't have images of the register for St Mary, only transcripts:
11 June 1798 by licence
George Fowler bachelor otp
Srah Woodham spinster otp
Witnesses: Dixie Claridge
Sarah Rose
Mary Woodham
Susannah Woodham
William Woodham
The licence was issued by the Archdeaconry of Huntingdon, but I don't have copies of the allegation and bond at present.
The AofH also issued a licence for the marriage of Susannah Woodham of St Neots to Jacques A DeVaudishon of Bedford in 1799. I have not found a record of the marriage. It was not at St Neots. However, the couple had a child, Caroline Woodham de Vaudishon baptised at Bedford in 1800. I believe that the surname is more usually spelled De Vaudichon, and Susannah's husband was Jacques Alexandre De Vaudichon. I have found today a tree which says that Susannah died in 1805, but gives no other details:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0165b/
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The AofH also issued a licence for the marriage of Susannah Woodham of St Neots to Jacques A DeVaudishon of Bedford in 1799. I have not found a record of the marriage. It was not at St Neots.
Hunts Marriage Index shows the marriage in 1799 in St Neots between Susannah Woodham and Jacques Alexandre DE NAUDISHON of Bedford St Paul
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Thanks David. That'll teach me to look more carefully!
My St Neots transcript also has Jacques' surname as De Naudishon.
The marriage was on 19 October 1799
Jacques Alexandre De Vaudishon bachelor of Bedford St Paul
Susannah Woodham spinster otp
Witnesses: George Fowler
Dixie Claridge
Mary Woodham
(Dixie Claridge was a frequent witness at St Mary, so probably not related.)
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Hi all
Found this on the net.
o " Jacques", Alexandre II de VAUDICHON DES TOURAILLES 1768-1835 & Susannah WOIDHAM †1805
o Caroline de VAUDICHON DES TOURAILLES 1800-1890 &1824 Victor Auguste GUESDON de LA BRIÈRE
o " Jacques", Alexandre II de VAUDICHON DES TOURAILLES 1768-1835 &1811 Marie Dymphe TURPIN 1787-1835
o Marie Alexandrine de VAUDICHON DES TOURAILLES 1812-1814
o Adrienne de VAUDICHON DES TOURAILLES 1814-1849 &ca 1837 " Edouard" Firmin RACINE 1808-1870 ...
o Louis Alexandre de VAUDICHON DES TOURAILLES 1817-1836
o Jean Baptiste Gustave de VAUDICHON DES TOURAILLES 1822-1891 &1847 Esther BIVEL 1827-1926
o Berthe de VAUDICHON DES TOURAILLES 1849-1926 &1873 Achille VIMARD 1839-1927 ...
o Louis Alexandre de VAUDICHON DES TOURAILLES 1770- & x BUNAUVILLE o Zoé de VAUDICHON DES TOURAILLES & x JORET DESCLOZIERES
Why was he in Bedford?
Tickle
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Hi again
back to the 'who was John Woodham who married Sarah Cranfield at Bedford in 1744 there is a baptism at Oakley which would fit the timescale:
Name: John Woodham
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 30 Sep 1722
Christening Place: OAKLEY,BEDFORD,ENGLAND
Birth Date: null
Birthplace: null
Death Date: null
Name Note: null
Race: null
Father's Name: Robert Woodham
Father's Birthplace: null
Father's Age: null
Mother's Name: Ann
Mother's Birthplace: null
Mother's Age: null
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00374-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 599350
Reference ID: null
Citing this Record:
"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, <i>FamilySearch</i> (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JQBZ-L9C : accessed 23 Jun 2014), John Woodham, 30 Sep 1722; citing OAKLEY,BEDFORD,ENGLAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 599350.
He married at St Paul Bedford in 1718
Robert Woodham
England Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage: 2 October 1713 Saint Paul,Bedford,Bedford,England
spouse: Anne Finall
So Robert must have been born circa 1690. Mystery again!
Tickle
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That's certainly another candidate Tickle. What a challenging family!!
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Thistle,
Thanks for the further Woodham info. It is difficult isn't it the further one goes back to be 100% sure one has the "right" person, especially when they are all called things like John and Thomas. And when most people probably weren't very literate either to be able to check that their details were all written correctly by the priest/etc.
With best regards,
Emily
Oops just realised it says Thistle in the quoted post rather than Tickle (must have been some autocorrect or something)..sorry
The De Vaudichon connection is very interesting. I can't find anything on them other than has been posted. So is curious that he seemed to be briefly in the area but married a Woodham and then went back to France?
Emily
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You get the impression they could have been a family of note Emily.
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....back to the 'who was John Woodham who married Sarah Cranfield at Bedford in 1744 there is a baptism at Oakley which would fit the timescale......
Name: John Woodham
Christening Date: 30 Sep 1722
Christening Place: OAKLEY,BEDFORD,ENGLAND
Robert & Ann Woodham baptised children at Oakley....
13 Mar 1714/15 Elizabeth
28 Apr 1717 Mary
14 May 1720 Thomas - buried 20 May 1720, infant
30 Sept 1722 John
9 Jan 1725/26 Millicent - buried 23 Feb 1739, single woman
Burials at Oakley... (additional to above)
11 Jun 1733 Ann, wife of Robert Woodams
25 May 1744 Ann Woodams ? who is she ?
6 Jun 1754 Sarah, wife of Robert Woodams
7 Feb 1757 Robert Woodams
Marriages at Oakley...
26 Dec 1745 Robert Woodams to Sarah Mills (this doesn't say he's a widower)
23 Aug 1741 William Butlin to Elizabeth Woodams
The Bedford St.Pauls marriage on 2 Oct 1713 is of Robert Woodham of Wilhamstead to Ann Finall, by licence. There are no Woodham names in the Wilstead parish registers up to 1812.
Cheers John
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Hi, I see this thread ended over five years ago, but I am trying to help my mother-in-law (aged 94) to make some sense of her family tree.
Her grandmother was Mary Trustram Woodham who was married to a Hastings (who died when her father was six). The Hastings family ended up in Spalding. There is also some connection to a Harry Woodham, a journalist in London in the 1930s, who may have been Mary Woodham's brother or uncle.
There is also a link to the Savill's of Gamlingay, a name preserved as a middle name down the female line in the Hastings family.
Any help would be gratefully received.
Margaret H
Does anyone have any information on Mary Trustram Woodham.
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Hi Margaret. Welcome to Rootschat!
Mary Trustram Woodham was born at Peakirk, near Peterborough in 1858 to William and Caroline Woodham (née Savill).
Marriages March Q 1844
Savill Caroline Caxton &c 14 41
Savill Eliza
Trustrum William
Woodham William
(I included the other marriage from the same page because Eliza is Caroline's sister)
Censuses show that William and Caroline were both born at Gamlingay. (There is a fairly detailed public tree on Ancestry which shows that Caroline's parents were Joseph and Mary née Trustrum)
William was a farmer in 1851, but by 1861 the family had moved to Doncaster, where he was employed by the Great Northern Railway.
Mary had eight siblings. The last, Joseph Henry was born at Misterton, Nottinghamshire when Caroline was 47.
Joseph Henry Woodham married Sarah Clarke in 1891 in Chelsea, and had son named Henry Savil Woodham in 1892.
Henry Savil Woodham appears to have been a journalist:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ohu/