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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: Jessie 46 on Friday 13 May 11 22:40 BST (UK)
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Peter Smeaton/ Smitton was born in Auchterarder Perthshire c 1844 son of Matthew a shoemaker and Margaret Callum
I have been trying to find him on census but have been having no luck .
Would some kind person see if they can find him for me.
Many Many Thanks.
Jessie
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Hi,
In 1861 the family are living at Lodgin House Auchterarder, Perthshire.
Matthew Smitton 53 shoemaker born Madderty, Perthshire
Margaret Smitton 54 born Dunning, Perthshire
James Smitton 22 mason born Auchterarder
Peter Smitton 16 born Auchterarder
Sharon
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Thank you Sharon,
Is it possible for you to find him on a later census I would be very very grateful.
Thank you.
Jessie
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There seem to be 2 Peter's born 1844/1845, one of them married a Jane and is on the cenuses with her after 1871.
There is also this Peter in 1881 living as a lodger at St. Fillans, Comrie, Perthshire.
The other members are
Anna McLaren 54
Peter McLaren 18
Michael O Day 22
John Whytock 37
Andrew Kay 36
Peter Smitton 35 labourer born Auchterarder, Perthshire
Sharon
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This looks like a possibility for Peter in 1881, -
Peter SMEATON, 37, Carter, born Auchterarder
Jane SMEATON, 39, Wife, b. Dunning
James SMEATON,13, Son, b. Auchterarder
Jane CROW, Lodger, 65, b, Auchterarder
Jane CROW may be related in some way, but, from this Peter's marriage record, it's not his mother-in-law !
But are you certain that you have the correct parents for your Peter b. ca. 1844, as the above Peter's likely death and marriage records in relation to the 1881 census record don't show them as Matthew and Margaret CALLUM ?
Things get a wee bit complicated in the sense that there were two Peter SMITTONs, both born in Auchterarder parish in 1844, one on 01MAY1844, the other on 01OCT1844, the respective parents being Matthew SMITTON and Margaret Callum, and William SMITTON and Jane[t] FAICHNEY.
Note that they are very probably related, both being named after their paternal, even but less likely, maternal grandfather in conformance with the widely used naming patterns in Scotland.
kirkmichael
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I found Peter Smitton son of Mathew Smitton and Margaret Callum born Auchterarder 12 September 1844 christened 1st. October on IGI
The Peter in this census I think is the son of William Smeaton and Janet Faichney . William I have yet to prove is the brother of Matthew . This would make the Peters cousins.
Jane Crow /Craw the lodger on census is possibly a relation ------ the sister of Helen Craw /Crow the wife of William Smeaton and mother of Mathew.
Mathew and Margarets sons following the Scottish naming pattern
1 son William after his father 2 son John after her father she was the daughter of John Callum and and Mary Lutfoot
Jessie
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Hi,
William Smiton
Baptism/Christening Date 28 Aug 1803
Baptism/Christening Place , Madderty, Perth, Scotland
Father's Name William Smiton
Mother's Name Helen Craw
Sharon
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Hi,
Thank you for that Sharon not gone another generation back yet been trying to find marriage for William and Helen nothing doing so far though and find Peter of course.
Cheers
Jessie
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A look on Scotlands People has turned up this death Jane Crow spinster aged 84 died Strathearn Poorhouse 1900
father James Crow mother Margaret McEwan her birth d would be c 1816 and she could possibly be the sister of William Smittons wife Helen.
Jessie
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I have been at my LFS and have discovered on Ancestry a marriage for a Peter Smeaton on 22 January 1890 at Gypsy Hill
Lambeth Surrey to a Mary Louise Beale it is the right age for the Peter I am seeking 44 a widower Metal broker and it states is father Mathew is deceased which concurs with his father Mary is a spinster aged 35 both addresses are the same Hawk Road .
How can I prove that this is the correct Peter ?
Cheers
Jessie
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I have been at my LFS and have discovered on Ancestry a marriage for a Peter Smeaton on 22 January 1890 at Gypsy Hill
Lambeth Surrey to a Mary Louise Beale it is the right age for the Peter I am seeking 44 a widower Metal broker and it states is father Mathew is deceased which concurs with his father Mary is a spinster aged 35 both addresses are the same Hawk Road .
How can I prove that this is the correct Peter ?
Cheers
Jessie
Jessie
First step is to order a copy of the certificate from GRO. Cost currently £9.25, and it can take up to a couple of weeks. See https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/faqs-birth-death-marr.asp .
Unlike in Scotland, it's not possible to view digitised images from this era on line.
But there's a secondary problem! An English marriage register entry only shows the names of the fathers. not the mothers .........
mb
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kirkmichael
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Kirkmichael,
It was a copy of the original I saw on Ancestry gave both fathers names witnesses etc. so I don't think I will be able to go any further with him at the moment but never know what is round the corner .
Thanks for your advice I am learning slow but sure.
Cheers
Jessie
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kirkmichael
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Kirkmichael,
It was a copy of the original I saw on Ancestry gave both fathers names witnesses etc. so I don't think I will be able to go any further with him at the moment but never know what is round the corner .
Hi Jessie
Just shows you what happens when you don't stay up-to-date !
I wasn't aware that Ancestry had full copies of such English register entries.
That's the problem with English marriage records; whereas in Scotland the mothers' names are shown, including their maiden surnames.
So that in this case, you're left wondering................
Thanks for your advice I am learning slow but sure.
My pleasure !
kirkmichael
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Hi Jessie - I am also researching the Smitton/Smeaton family. There is a Helen craw in this line that must be related to the jane in the census. If you are interested in getting in touch please let me know and we can exchange info
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Hi bonovico,
I would be interested in any information you may have but haven't done any more research on this line .
Jessie