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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: Wexflyer on Monday 16 May 11 06:39 BST (UK)
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The death registration for a g-g-g-grandmother of mine says she died in Sea View, Wexford, in 1865. Now I know that there was a terrace called Sea View off of Trinity street, but not sure that that was built by 1865. Any other alternatives that anyone knows of?
Thanks,
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Seaview Avenue is unlikely to be that old.
It could have been a house name - was there a parish?
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Seaview Avenue is unlikely to be that old.
It could have been a house name - was there a parish?
No, just says "Sea View, Wexford" - which does seem to indicate that it is part of the town.
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The houses in Sea View Avenue and the cul de sac next door (Trinity Place) are of similar design and are most likely to have been constructed around the same period.
The earliest date for which I can find a reference amongst my bits & pieces to the existence of Sea View Avenue is 1st January 1893 as noted in the Bride Street Church baptism register.
Trinity Place is recorded in the 1890 baptism register so it’s likely Sea View Avenue was also in existence around this date.
It would be interesting to know exactly when these houses were built.
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Hi Wexflyer.
Their is a townland called Seaview, in the barony of Ballaghkeen, parish of Donaghmore, in the Poor Law Union of Gorey. Might be worth looking at that on a map.
Katharine.
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Hi Wexflyer.
Their is a townland called Seaview, in the barony of Ballaghkeen, parish of Donaghmore, in the Poor Law Union of Gorey. Might be worth looking at that on a map.
Katharine.
Thanks for that and you are correct. However, that Seaview is a long, long way from Wexford Town, and would never be described as "Sea View, Wexford." Further, this death was registered in the town of Wexford, and the registration rules were that deaths had to be registered at the registration office for the area in which the death occurred. That, plus the fact that the husband was a simple labourer who was from the vicinity of Wexford (they lived previously on Forth Commons), makes me think that this "Sea View" has to be in the town or close by. [Her husband registered her death, and his address is also given as Sea View].
Thanks again,
Wexflyer
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Sorry, I misunderstood your Wexford, and assumed you meant county rather than town.
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I am open to correction here but since Wexford is the 'local' registration office it could be that the Sea View could have been outside the town.
There is a Seaview in Kilmore parish and all deaths etc would have been registered in Wexford town as there was no registrar in rural areas.
It may be worth looking at the surrounding areas.
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I am open to correction here but since Wexford is the 'local' registration office it could be that the Sea View could have been outside the town.
There is a Seaview in Kilmore parish and all deaths etc would have been registered in Wexford town as there was no registrar in rural areas.
It may be worth looking at the surrounding areas.
I am afraid that this is just not so. There were a large number (40 +?) of local registration districts in Co. Wexford back in the 19th century. The registration districts corresponded to the local dispensary/health districts, and that for Wexford town did not extend very far into the surrounding hinterland. These local registration districts were in turn grouped into 5 superintendent registration districts, corresponding to the 5 poor law unions in Co. Wexford (Enniscorthy, Gorey, New Ross, Shillelagh and Wexford).
Regards,
Wexflyer
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my understanding is 5 registration districts - Enniscorthy (part in Carlow), Gorey, New Ross, Shillelagh ( part in Wicklow) & Wexford.
maybe 44 is the number of superintendents districts ? incorrect - see below
Shane
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To see a list of the towns and townlands included in the Wexford registration district go to the townland database (www.thecore.com/seanruad), enter Wexford in the Poor Law Union search field, and click search..
Shane
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my understanding is 5 registration districts - Enniscorthy, Gorey, New Ross, Shillelagh ( part Wicklow) & Wexford.
maybe 44 is the number of superintendents districts ?
Shane
I think you will find that it is the other way around - the 5 you list were the superintendent registration districts. I know for 100% certainty that separate birth and death registers were kept in each of the old dispensary districts, by different local registrars as I have personally examined them on many occasions.
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I beginning to think that the the full title for what's commonly referred to as a Registration district is as you said a 'Superintendent Registration Districts', and the subdivisions 'Registrars Districts'.
It looks like the common usage for the term (e.g. in BMD Index references) has dropped the 'Superintendent' prefix.
Shane
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maybe 44 is the number of superintendents districts ?
so this remark by me is rubbish.... I've edited it out..
Shane
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I beginning to think that the the full title for what's commonly referred to as a Registration district is as you said a 'Superintendent Registration Districts', and the subdivisions 'Registrars Districts'.
It looks like the common usage for the term (e.g. in BMD Index references) has dropped the 'Superintendent' prefix.
Shane
Exactly. There is a description of the system at http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Ireland-civil-registration.html
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If you think about it, there had to be local registrar's districts. This was way before the automobile or telephone, there was no way that people would or could trudge all the way to Wexford Town to register a birth or death.
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even that site refers to the larger districts as 'civil registration districts', no mention if Superintendents.. but I get the idea, the local registrar's districts are the subdivisions of Poor Law Unions / Superintendent's Districts / Civil Registration Districts
I had mixed up the term Superintendents Districts with Registrars District. Thanks for sorting it out..
Shane
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even that site refers to the larger districts as 'civil registration districts', no mention if Superintendents.. but I get the idea, the local registrar's districts are the subdivisions of Poor Law Unions / Superintendent's Districts / Civil Registration Districts
Shane
I agree that there is a duality in the way the areas are described, which has I think confused many over the years. However, the link I gave does have a more exact description in a text box somewhat down the page on the right hand side, which does indeed mention Superintendent districts:
"each PLU became the basis for a Superintendent Registrar's District (SRD).
Just as each PLU was subdivided into Dispensary Districts, each with its own medical officer, so each SRD was subdivided into Registrar's Districts. Since the Registrar's District corresponded geographically to the Dispensary District, it was often the medical officer who took on the additional duties of the District Registrar. When not attending the sick and dispensing medicine, he was required to issue death, birth and marriage certificates and record appropriate entries in a register.
At the end of each quarter, the registers were forwarded to the District Superintendent Registrar who in turn made certified copies of the registers and sent them to the Dublin office of the Registrar General for Ireland. Civil Registration indexes covering the entire island were then made."
So it seems SRD = civil registration district, and the terminology I used earlier was a bit off the "official" usage.
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back to the original question - do we know the Registrar's district for this cert ?
Shane
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back to the original question - do we know the Registrar's district for this cert ?
Shane
Yes, Wexford, i.e. the town.
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I've had a browse up and down Wexford town and the nearby coastal townlands within the Registrar's district on the OSI maps (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,704362,622552,6,7), but haven't located anything named SeaView... was worth a try
Shane
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Wexflyer, in answer to one of your original queries.I think, but am not certain that Seaview Avenue was built in the early to mid 1800s . . I am just going by the fact that the other houses in Trinity St. were built around that time.
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This map of around 1845 does not show Seaview
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Guess I was wrong then .
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Not necessarily - there were a few years to go with William Street opening up.
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The houses in Sea View Avenue and the cul de sac next door (Trinity Place) are of similar design and are most likely to have been constructed around the same period.
The earliest date for which I can find a reference amongst my bits & pieces to the existence of Sea View Avenue is 1st January 1893 as noted in the Bride Street Church baptism register.
Trinity Place is recorded in the 1890 baptism register so it’s likely Sea View Avenue was also in existence around this date.
It would be interesting to know exactly when these houses were built.
Hi i've just joined rootschat as i'm looking to establish when the houses in sea view avenue were built - anybody got any further with this query?
my main reason for asking is my father (whelan) and grandparents (whelan/saunders) and other relatives (roche) lived there, moving between several of the houses, from before the 1901 census (and up to the 1970s) and i believe (family tale) that my g-g-g grandfather ('captain o'connor' - father of my maternal g-g grandmother who married patrick saunders) built the houses
i'm trying to verify if this is true....................................
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I am not certain but I think that Seaview Avenue may have been built around the 1830s. As that was when the area was developed after the building of the nearby Wexford Dockyard.
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However Nick map above seems to prove otherwise. I will try to discover if there is any info in local papers of the time.
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that's very kind - thanks
it would be great to discover who built them, if there is any mention in old papers
is it possible for me to access any of these papers online, do you now (to save you and any others any trouble on my behalf)?
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I don't think local papers are online. There will be a bit of a delay in checking my local library as the service is closed at present to facilitate a move to a brand new purpose built and high tech(or so I'm told) library which will open in about two weeks.
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To answer my own question, 9 years later: The Sea View in question is a sub-townland area located in Forth Commons, on the mountain of Forth. There are references to the area from before 1865 down to the present time.
This makes perfect sense to me as the correct location, as the family concerned were residing in Forth Commons at the time of Griffith's Valuation. And yes, there is a "sea view" from the mountain, hence, presumably, the name.