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Hi, looking for information about Richard Glennon b around 1840 ( or earlier) listed in the 1862 Thoms directory as vintner of 1 and 2 Haymarket, Dublin. he had a daughter called Elizabeth Mary or Mary Glennon born about 1863, she married William Edward Owen in 1879. Any info on either Richard or Mary would be welcome.
Thanks
Judith
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The Liverpool Mercury for November 20, 1871 has the death of Sarah Frances Glennon, widow of Richard Glennon of Dublin. At the residence of her son, 30 Shakspeare Street.
In the 1871 census that address was the home of Henry Glennon 36, Goldsmith & Jeweller, and wife Frances 38, both from Ireland.
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Sarah Frances Glennon was born around 1795 - but could be your Richard's mother perhaps.
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Thanks very much Shaun will look into that info,
J
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I can only see just one listing for Richard at that address :
1 & 2 Hay-market
1852 - John Flood, vintner
1863 - Rich. Glennon, vintner
1868 - Thomas Smyth, vintner
Shane
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This website has him at Old Haymarket 1861-64 and Old Kilmainham 1865
http://www.irish-tokens.co.uk/splitscreen/bottom%20tavern.htm
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Thanks, didnt know they issued coins were they for drink?
When his daughter Mary married her address was 19 Little Mary Street, There is a pub there now near to the old fruit and veg market. Do you know what that was called?
J
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Thom's 1879
19 Mary Street Little
John Quail, clothes dealer
In the late 1930s that address is listed as - 'C. Union, fruit dealer'
Shane
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Thanks again
perhaps she worked there and lived in but there is a pub there now I thinks its on the corner of Arran St East and little mary st.
Do you know where I might be able to find out about the RC schools around that area in 1890's?
J
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I think the National Archives has some records for National Schools, but dont know which ones are available.
Schools are often listed in directories but do not seem to be indexed in Thoms, so it's a case of searching for them street by street.
I'd say there were quite a few schools in the city centre.
Shane
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Richard Glennon and his wife Sarah kept at 3 Suffolk. Street 'The queerest looking little shop in Dublin,' which among other curios also sold antiquities. ...
from a journal of 19th century antiquities Richard and Sarah?
The Sarah you mentioned died at Henry her sons, could poss be brother of Richard if they had another son named Richard.
J
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I've a list of all National Schools and teachers in various areas near Dublin in 1873-74.
If you like to PM me, I may be able to help - tell me which areas about which you need details.
eadaoin
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The one in Suffolk Street was a celebrated "bird-stuffer" http://www.rootschat.com/links/0d9j/
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This reference has the vintner and the naturalist at Old Haymarket and Suffolk Street respectively in 1851
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lennan/acrobat/dublind2002.pdf
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Thanks to all for help
J
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MOL 17
There are 3 references to Richard Glennon (Publican) in The Irish Times at No.1 Haymarket.
On 9/6/1860 in the Police Intelligence Col. again on 20/12/1862 where there is a reference to his Insolvency and in the Law Report for 23/1/1863.
Regards Quaxer
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JMOL
I have several references to Glennons in The Irish Times for No.3 Suffolk Street in the early 1860s. Would you like these?
Regards
Quaxer
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yes please send on the Richard of 3 suffolk street, also do you have more detail on the ones in your first message?
Thankyou
Jmol
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Jmol
For copyright reasons I am unable to supply more than I have given to you.
Regards
Quaxer
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jmol17, your profile doesn't mention where you are located, but you can view copies of the Irish Times in the National Library in Dublin (on microfilm) and also the Irish Times has an online archive (subscription) - http://www.irishtimes.com/search/archive.html
You could probably locate the relevant details quite quickly using the dates and references given by Quaxer above..
Shane
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I can trace Suffolk St. Richard Glennon in the directories at the back to at least 1834 :
3, Suffolk Street, Civil Parish of St. Andrew
1834 - Richard Glennon, preserver of birds and beasts,
dealer in minerals, shells etc
1840 - (same listing as 1834)
1848 - Richard Glennon, preserver of birds and beasts,
dealer in mineralogy, antique coins, and
in natural history
1852 - (same listing as 1848)
1863 - Mr. Glennon, bird stuffer
by 1868 the listing has The Royal Arcade Hotel & Tavern at 1,2 & 3 Suffolk Street, with proprietor Auguste Mouillot
(srcs Thom's, Pettigrew & Oulton)
Shane
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Thanks for the info Shane, the problem I have is linking the Richard Glennon of Suffolk St with the Richard Glennon who appears on my g grandmother (Elizabeth) Mary Glennons marriage certificate in 1879, his trade was publican, I have searched all the available sites which have Dublin births and cannot definitely say who is who and whether the Suffolk St Richard is related to the publican Richard or if they are the same, do you have any ideas?
Once again thanks for help so far.
J
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I dont think they are the same people, they seem to be separate people with the same name in two quite different trade/professions... They could maybe be related... I dont see any likely marriages or baptisms that could connect them. The problem is your Richard could have married, or even been born somewhere outside the city, or even out side the county,and would not be included in the IrishGenalogy.ie records..
There is a possible marriage of a daughter of the Richard that lived on Suffolk Street on Irish Genealogy - although from the transcription it looks like the grooms name on the register may be difficult to read..
Marriage of Julius Ste...mhagen & Sarah Glennon - 1 Sept 1859 (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/e660d61376406)
Parish of St. Andrew (RC), Dublin City
Do you know the religion of your Glennon family ?
Shane
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Yes they were RC married at the cathedral in 1879, Elizabeth Mary Glennon m to William Owen, I have traced my Owens and they were COI so the Glennons must have been RC, but can't get back further than Richard Glennon from the marriage cert. I have checked the England census to see if he was from there but no luck.
Further to your earlier question I am based in Lancashire, but was in Dublin last month to see where my relatives lived and visited the library but didnt have long enough to do much research.
J
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Based on the directory newspapers references the publican only seems to show up for a relatively short time in the early 1850s and 1860s and then disappears... interestingly the Suffolk street entries stop around the same time, but going by the years his business was in operation (at least 1834 to 1863) I think it's possible that could have retired by then. Unfortunately all just before the start of civil records...
If they were RC then I'd keep an eye out for updates on IrishGenealogy, as they plan to add further RC City records later this year. Hopefully St. Mary's, (Pro-Cathedral) and other large city parishes will be included.
Shane
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Looking at Dublin deaths on FamilySearch we have:
Richard Glennon
Registration District: Dublin North
Registration Year: 1872
Age (at Death): 37
Volume Number: 2
Page Number: 491
AND less likely
Richard Glennon
Registration District: Dublin South
Registration Quarter and Year: Apr - Jun 1880
Age (at Death): 30
Volume Number: 3
Page Number: 713
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re the irish genealogy.ie the Dublin RC records are due on 10 June 2011 so I am hoping that Mary and Richards births wiil be on there.
Thanks for your help I hope the bird stuffer is a relative !!
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Catherine Glennon,married died 1st July 1896 R D L Asylum age 56 no home address given
however on the 7th of July 1896 her daughter Mary Owens made a statuary declaration that her mother was a widow.
on looking at the baptisms for the Owens children for this time period they are in Denmark St
so i entered Denmark Street into the address box on Glasnevin trust and got Catherine Glennon age 68
https://www.glasnevintrust.ie/genealogy/results/index.xml
Richard married Catherine Whelan 1858
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m8u/
1865 they were in Kilmainham for birth of Margaret Richard a Miller
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03554/2308501.pdf
1867 in North King St for baptism of son Richard does not seem to be registered
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m8v/
https://www.libraryireland.com/Dublin-Street-Directory-1862/694.php