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Hi Everyone,
I am currently researching the Chambers Family of Tullynaskeagh / motor manufacture etc. It starts with A John Chambers, arriving from Scotland in 1595, with most of the family remaining in the downpatrick area, even to the present day. I do have quite a lot of information, but it would be nice to add to it, or even to cross reference with existing information. Any help would be really appreciated.
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I just returned from Belfast yesterday and found an 18 page book at the Linen Hall Library "Account of the Chambers family of Tallinaskeagh formerly spelled Dthullow-nah-skiog". If you are interested just let me know. Karen Chambers
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Thats great Karen, but I presume that it is a 'read only' copy? Will the library allow it to be photocopied?
Would I need to be registered as a 'reader' to get access?
Mant Thanks,
Don
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This is hand written notes bound in a cover donated from a woman in the Chambers family born June 23, 1771. She wrote this Nov. 24, 1859. There is no copyright or author noted. The library made a copy for me. I mentioned that I would like to post on Ancestry.com and the librarian had no problem with it. As far as the library they stated that they did not have any of their historical material electronic and no funds to do so in the future which is a shame. If I had more time I would have loved to research further. I made a donation to the library and I did state that I would recommend donations so they could raise funds to help preserve this history. I will not require a donation be made and will share this information to all.
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Thats great Karen, and I look forward to accessing when available. You are clearly one of the clan, and my son-in-law Richard, is the son of * Chambers from Crawfordsburn, outside Bangor. Hence the interest.
Cheers,
Don
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I recommend Karen you revisit the Linenhall Library and ask to see volume 48 for a manuscript tree CHAMBERS with Martin connections in the Blackwood Family history manuscript trees in the LinenHall library, Belfast. Good luck to all and the Library, Jim
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Hi Jim - I wish I could go back but I am from the US (Houston, Texas) and it was a rare opportunity for me to get there the 1st time. If it wasn't for a business meeting in Scotland I would never have been able to afford it. So, if anyone is that way I would love to see it. I have posted what I had on Ancestry.com (John Chambers Family Tree of Tullynaskeagh). If anyone has trouble viewing just let me know and I will email. Karen Chambers
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Hi Karen,
Hope you got home safely. I was not able to find the article on Ancestry.com so maybe you could email link to me at (*) ? I have a James Chambers emigrating to US circa 1804/5 and wonder if that is your connection. (I have another one who was subsequently shot in a duel in New York!!) I have uploaded a good amount of information on my family tree, and can let you have link if you think would be of any interest to you?
Cheers, Don
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I did reply to this thread but it has been 'split' for some reason.... can't find where my post has gone.
Is it possible to get URL for tree please?
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Hi Everyone,
I am currently researching the Chambers Family of Tullynaskeagh / motor manufacture etc. It starts with A John Chambers, arriving from Scotland in 1595, with most of the family remaining in the downpatrick area, even to the present day. I do have quite a lot of information, but it would be nice to add to it, or even to cross reference with existing information. Any help would be really appreciated.
Hi,
I'm researching the Chambers of County Mayo. They would have come into Ireland with the MacDonalds to Antrim or Down before the Plantation. Legend says that they moved to Tyrone which makes it likely that they were Redshanks (mercenaries). It's possible that the original name was McCambridge and MacAmbrois before that from the Kintyre/Islay area. (There are still McCambridge families in the Glens of Antrim.) Our yDNA shows the paternal ancestor to be Norwegian Viking, Haplotype R1a branched down to YP1420, which so far only shows up in Norway and the Scottish Highlands.
Since John Chambers came into County Down before the Plantation it's possible that that family also came in with the MacDonalds and may be related to the Mayo Chambers. Have you found any information on John Chambers origins beyond "Scotland"? Has any male Chambers from the family taken the yDNA test? Thank you.
Tim
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I am a Chambers of Tullynaskeagh - my father farms the farm of Tullynaskeagh.
I can confirm we are pre-plantation and I suspect we were originally Cameronians (i.e. covenanters) from Scotland.
My mother has the original 1858 history written by Francis Chambers (Male) (1771-1862) who is buried at Downpatrick Presbyterian Church.
We are Non-Subscribing Presbyterians - on the liberal wing of Presbyterianism.
4 generations back from me 3 of my great-great uncles started the Chambers Car Company.
I hope that helps.
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Thanks so much for the reply, JONMONASH.
When your original ancestor came to Tullynaskeagh, Clan Cameron were not covenanters. In fact, they fought alongside Clan Donald against the Covenanter Campbells (Eventually, the Campbells won out and took over Kintyre). Clan Cameron remained catholic and later fought on the Jacobite side. That being said, no clan was fully homogeneous in religion and your family may have taken the pledge. In fact, that may explain their emigration to Ireland because, at that time, they would have been shunned.
I have studied the yDNA of Clan Cameron and the vast majority are R1b. I have found only one R1a Chalmers. So, I originally discounted Clan Cameron as the originators of the County Mayo Chambers. However, if the Tullynaskeagh Chambers are R1a and are Clan Cameron, then I have found what I'm searching for. Contrary to Padraig Mac Giolla Domhnaigh's "Some Anglicised Surnames in Ireland (1923)" Chambers in Antrim/Down before the Plantation did not originate from McCambridge of Kintyre.
To your knowledge, has any Chambers male in your family taken the yDNA test?
Thanks again,
Tim Chambers
PS: I'm hoping that our families are related. That may explain the mechanical skills that saved the family from famine and ensured success in Liverpool and America.
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I myself have been DNA tested and I have a long list of DNA data.0
I am unsure which is the relevant marker for R1B or R1A. Perhaps you could send this detail and I can confirm. I only have a data file from ancestry.co.uk
Francis Chambers is quite an interesting fellow.
We were certainly Presbyterian by the 1641 rebellion and were involved in the siege of Ardglass when we assisted Simon de Jourdan (of Jordan's Castle) in breaking the siege and received half a ploughland.
The battle of Dunsford (various dates 1602-1609) was probably fought on our land at Tullynaskeagh at Middle Hill on the farm.
You can see most the detail for Francis Chambers at my ancestry.co.uk tree entitled Chambers of Tullynaskeagh which is public.
I also have a relative John Chambers whose father was a United Irishman in Dublin and was exiled to Hamburg and thence New York after the rebellion.
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Here are the first pages of this history we holds written by Francis Chambers in 1858 and 1859
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Thanks JONMONASH
If you did the autosomal DNA test with Ancestry, i.e. the one that shows your ethnic background shown as percentages, then an R1a Haplotype Chambers would show some Eastern European and Norwegian in the mix.
If you did the yDNA test of your patrilineal line then I can tell the Haplotype from the first 12 markers. Typically, R1a starts with 13, 25, 15 (or 16) and the YCA IIa and YCA IIb would be 19 and 21 (Scandinavian R1a).
Scottish R1a comes from the Norwegian Vikings and can be found in all the Highland Clans. 25% of MacDonalds are R1a. R1a in the British Aisles is said to be positive proof of Viking ancestry.
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For those who might be following this line of posts:
JONMONASH and I are corresponding directly. He will be taking the yDNA test with FTDNA. The results should be available in about 6 weeks.
I will post a summary result on whether or not the Tullynaskeagh and the Mayo Chambers are related. It will be a research breakthrough for me if we are.
Tim Chambers
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The results are in. The Tullynaskeagh Chambers (R1b) are not related to my Chambers family in County Mayo (R1a). It is interesting that they descend from the Ur Niall (Niall of the Nine Hostages, High King of Ireland).
A McCambridge also descends from Niall and matches the Tullynaskeagh Chambers. Since no Clan Cameron Chambers/Chalmers nor Norman Chambers nor English Chambers descend from Niall, it appears that it's the Tullynaskeagh Chambers that spawned from McCambridge/ MacAmbrois.
My search goes on.
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I am David Chambers, from New England, USA. I've lived in Massachusetts, and now Rhode Island. The oldest Chambers ancestor I can find is a John Chambers, who first appears in upstate New York, near Albany, in 1860. I have a record showing him marrying Jane Meek in Tullylish, County Down, in 1853. I suspect he had a brother Joseph, who also lived in New York, and their father may have been Joseph.
JONMONASH...any idea of a connection to your family? It appears Tullylish is about an hour drive from Tullynaskeagh. I am on the Chambers yDNA project.
Thanks for any help!
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Marriage of JANE MEEK
in 1853
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Banbridge
Returns Year 1853
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 2
Returns Page No 574
Cert would name Fathers!
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Marriage of JANE MEEK
in 1853
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Banbridge
Returns Year 1853
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 2
Returns Page No 574
Cert would name Fathers!
Marriage of John Chambers in 1853
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Banbridge
Returns Year 1853
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 2
Returns Page No 574
Same volume & page numbers. Marriage not yet on-line.
KG
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Thank you for the quick responses!
From Family Search: John Chambers
Spouse's Name: Jane Meek
Event Date: 25 Aug 1853
Event Place: Tullylish, Down, Ire
Father's Name: Joseph Chambers
Spouse's Father's Name: John Meek
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Did anyone have any luck seeing the information karen1chambers was trying to post back in 2011, or find her family tree? I'm not having any luck on Ancestry.com.
Thanks,
Dave
Chambers/Mangan tree on Ancestry.com
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Can't help you re karen1chambers, but thought I would post the following, given your mention of Tullylish, New England and Rhode Island.
A Jane Millar Chambers, daughter of aThomas Chambers, married a William Fry of Tullylish in 1867. Three of their children settled or spent time in America. One, Ruth Fry, married a William Robinson before emigrating. Their children were born in Connecticut and one, William Fry Robinson, died in Rhode Island in 1950.
As you have had your DNA tested, it could be worth looking to see if anyone descended from the Fry/Robinson marriage have also tested and show any links with your Chambers line.
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Thanks for the information. Coincidently, my great grandmother Jennie Robinson married into the Chambers line!
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Hello David Chambers from New England.
I am also David Chambers, born Belfast and now living in Co. Down, N Ireland.
My dad George CHAMBERS was born in Tullylish in 1904. His dad was David Chambers, b Tullylish 1873 and married Maggie SHAW in Tullylish Presbyterian Church 1896. In turn David's dad was George Chambers, b1824 Tullylish, marr Eliza Jane RUSSELL 1857 in Tullylish Parish Church. George's dad was Archibald James Chambers b c1799 in either Tullylish or possibly Scotland. He reputedly married Mary WILSON 1824 in Tullylish Parish Church. I say reputedly as I have a query with his occupations given at his marriage, and that given at his son George's marriage (labourer on one, bleacher on the other). I have come across the name MEEK somewhere, but I cannot remember where or when. Will keep looking! Any of these names make sense to you?
Regards,
David Chambers
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Hello busbar
Just a friendly note to suggest you remove some of your own, personal details in the post above (Rootschat have a policy of not posting identifying details of living persons), especially your year of birth, middle initial and location, as your address details are easily found from these. You can send the other David a PM to share anthing about yourself and/or other living persons.
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Hello Scotmum, I have finally read your earlier message, and realised what you mean. Message modified. Many thanks for your guidance, much appreciated.
David C
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Hi Busbar, aka "David"! That is amazing we share first names! Thank you for responding, and I do hope we can find some linkage. The only names I have from Tullylish are John and Josephs (2 of them). I think (guess) John and Joseph were brothers (born @ 1820-30's) and their Dad was Joseph (@1800?). Since they first show up in New York in the 1860 US census, I've guessed they came over due to the famine. So, no, the other names you mention are unfamiliar. Are you on Ancestry.com, or FamilyTree DNA? I am on the FTDNA Chambers Project.
My Dad (Ed Chambers) visited Londonderry in WWII. He was on a a US Cost Guard Cutter. The ship had an accident, and he was hurt pretty bad, and stayed in a Londonderry hospital for a month.
Hope to hear more from you, and maybe Jane Meek will shoe up in your records.
Dave