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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: SherlockBones on Tuesday 17 May 11 23:20 BST (UK)
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Hi guys
Looking for marriage details of: -
Richard Lowe Brewster born UK (Parents unknown)
who married ca 1875 in Victoria?
Jane Gracie born in Tasmania (Parents Henry Gracie and Margaret Fletcher)
Also details of children
Supposedly had 7 children all born, married and died in VIC
Thanx in advance
Jon
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Hi Jon
MARRIAGE
BREWSTER Richard Lowe (born Notts)
GRACIE Jane (born Tas)
Reg#3818
BIRTHS
Frederick Melville 1876 Whit (maybe Whittlesea) Reg#12776
William Lowe 1877 Up Plenty ((Upper Plenty) Reg#25615
Jane Gracie 1879 Uppe (Upper Plenty) Reg#19965
Annie Evelyn 1881 St Ki (St Kilda) Reg#19816
Charlotte Helena 1883 St Ki (St Kilda) Reg#20095
Alice Ethel 1885 StKil (StKilda) Reg#21721
Richard John 1887 St K (St Kilda) Reg#6440
Raylen
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Deaths
BREWSTER Frederick Melville 1960
84 years Fran (maybe Frankston) Reg#20725
Married Alice May COLLIS 1899 Reg#6566
BREWSTER William Lowe 1947
69 years Ararat Reg#17671
Married Elsie Hilda SMETHURST 1900 Reg#6662
KENTISH Jane Gracie 1957
78 years Glen Reg#14149
Married Norman Beeby KENTISH 1903 Reg#4449
DUFFY Annie Evelyn 1973
92 years Gard (maybe Gardiner) Reg#12877
Married Jas DUFFEY 1914 Reg#10048
WHITTEN Charlotte Helena 1963
78 years Heidelberg Reg#975
Married Ernt WHITTEN 1907 Reg#9364
GIBBONS Alice Ethel 1968
83 years Camberwell Reg#22922
Married Fredk Wm GIBBONS 1912 Reg#9536
BREWSTER Richard Jno 1912
25 years Prahran Reg#7300
BREWSTER Richard 1887
65 years Reg#15079
Father: Richard Lowe Mother: not named
Reg#15079
Can't see death for Jane at the moment
Raylen
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Cemetery ST KILDA GENERAL CEMETERY
Given Names RICHARD BREWSTER
Religion NONE
Date 08/10/1887
Age 65
Location WESLEYAN, MONUMENTAL, COMPARTMENT C GRAVE 451
Public Grave No
Tenure Date IN PERPETUITY
There is not an indexed MI for him, nor does any other family member of the same surname appear to be with him.
(Ammended below)
Sue
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With RICHARD at the same location , St Kilda Cemetery are
JANE HUBBARD who died 1930
Olive HUBBARD who died 1890
RICHARD JOHN who died 1912
Sue
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Good job Sue :D
I saw the Hubbard marriage and death but discounted
because of the different parents namesJane Gracie born in Tasmania (Parents Henry Gracie and Margaret Fletcher)
Jon
BREWSTER Jane (born Tas)
married
HUBBARD John (born Hberg)
1888 Reg#7213
Death
HUBBARD Jane 1930
77 years Svale Reg#3299
Father: Wm GRACIE Mother: Jane (no surname)
Raylen
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Births
Father: John Mother: Jane GRACIE
HUBBARD Olive Brewster 1889
St Kilda Reg#26605
Died 1890 8 months St Kilda Reg#4890
Father: Jno Mother: Jane ROSS :-\
HUBBARD Myrtle Constance 1891
St Kilda Reg#27943
* Mother listed as Jane GRACE
HUBBARD Florence Holly 1893
St Kilda Reg#17241
Raylen
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Raylen, thank you very much for that excellent effort. Greatly appreciated.
One question: - in post number 5 you said "Svale Reg#3299"
Can you tell me what Svale stands for at all?
Sue, thank you very much also. Wouldn't have picked up on the second marriage without your assist.
Regards
Jon
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One question: - in post number 5 you said "Svale Reg#3299"
Can you tell me what Svale stands for at all?
Svale=Springvale
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Tar ;)
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Looking at the ages at death we see a significant age difference between JANE and RICHARD.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0d9l/
It may be a different man, but this advertisement , published Argus 26/11/1956, and in some other editions around the same time, shows he was possibly in Australia from at least that year.
No middle name is used so confirmation is not quite possible.
Sue
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Sue
Was looking at the age difference. Some thrity odd years. Would suspect he was previously married.
Probably the same gentleman seeing he is from Nottingham.
Jon
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Jon,
Did Henry GRACIE & Margaret FLETCHER have two daughters named Jane?
As I can see no birth for Jane registered in TAS (nothing unusual) but I can see her death age 2yrs in 1854 ???
Then looking further I can see her birth registered at Middlesex UK in 1851 with the correct parents :-\
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Christening:
BREWSTER RICHARD LOWE
10 AUG 1823 - Plumtree By Nottingham, Nottingham, England
Father: JOHN BREWSTER
Mother: ANN
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Marriage:
BREWSTER John m. LOWE Ann
11 MAR 1817 - Plumtree By Nottingham, Nottingham, England
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Deaths in VIC:
GRACIE Margt age 77yrs d. 1897 Mboro Hosp #9529
Father: Fletcher Simon
Mother: Margt MCKAY
GRACIE Hy age 75yrs d. 1895 M Boro #6180
Father: Unknown
Mother: (blank)
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Probate/Will for Henry GRACIE 1895:
http://210.8.122.120/indexes/index_search.asp?searchid=54
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Jon,
Did Henry GRACIE & Margaret FLETCHER have two daughters named Jane?
As I can see no birth for Jane registered in TAS (nothing unusual) but I can see her death age 2yrs in 1854 ???
Then looking further I can see her birth registered at Middlesex UK in 1851 with the correct parents :-\
Not that I am aware of. Thats a little odd. Jane born in 1851 and dying in 1854, but Jane going on to marry Richard L Brewster???
Thoughts??
And thank you for following thru with the extra info. Much appreciated.
Jon
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Hi again Jon
Where is the information of Janes parents being Henry Gracie
and Margaret Fletcher from please?
There is a VERY detailed tree for Henry Gracie and
Margaret Fletcher online and they have a daughter Jane - only one
born 8/10/1851 Soho London
christened 18/1/1852 St Martin in the fields
died 23/1/1854 of measles Hobart Town Tasmania
Images of all these certificates have been added to the tree
as well as marriage and death certificates for Henry.
(Gee I wish this was a family I was tracing ;D
so much information )
Raylen
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Yes, I can see the same hence my previous question :)
BUT I can also see that there was only one son born 1853 in TAS to them before they moved to VIC where they had three more children 1857, 1859 & 1862 which leaves room for another child to be born but not registered as it appears they were around the gold fields at the time :)
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Births:
GRACIE THOMAS b. 17/10/1853 HOBART #246/1853 RGD 33
Father: HENRY
Mother: FLETCHER MARGARET
GRACIE Isabella b.1857 MARYBOROUGH #3824
Father: Henry
Mother: Margaret FLETCHER
GRACIE Jas Matthewson b. 1859 WHITE HILL #16400
Father: Hry
Mother: Margt FLETCHER
GRACIE Adeline b.1862 WHIT #3332
Father: Henry
Mother: Margaret FLETCHER
Death:
GRACIE JANE (female) age 2yrs d. 23/01/1854 HOBART 796/1854 RGD 35
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Hi Merlin,
Reading Henry's death certificate ( with tired eyes :o )
I think the children read
Richard - dead
Simon - dead
Margaret- 52 years
Elizabeth - dead
Henry - dead
Mary Ann - 45 years
Jane - dead
Thomas - dead
Isabella - 38 years
James Matthewson - 36 years
Adeline - dead
Raylen
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Went back to the drawing board with this one as it just didn't add up ???
Anyone is welcome to correct me if I am barking up the wrong tree 8)
After much cross checking I have come to the conclusion that Jane GRACIE is NOT the daughter of Henry GRACIE & Margaret FLETCHER ::)
Instead she is the daughter of William GRACIE (free man) & Eve TATTERSALL (convict).
William & Eve also moved to Victoria where their daughters married. The parents died in the same suburb are buried in the the same cemetery as Jane & the suburb that Jane was living at the births of her children. All which seems to add up much nicer. It seems Jane's mothers name is incorrect on her death certificate.
Convict No. 75666
TATTERSALL Eve
Ship name St Vincent
Departure Port London
Departure date 19/12/1849
Arrival date 4/04/1850
Conduct record CON41/25
Indent CON15/6
Description List CON19/8
Request for Permission to Marry:
GRACIE William free - TATTERSALL Eve ex St Vincent 05 NOV 1850
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=5
Marriage:
GRACIE William age 30yrs m. TATTERSALL Eve age 23yrs 02/12/1850 CAMPBELL TOWN #30/1850 RGD 37
Childrens Births & Deaths: All at CAMPBELL TOWN & most the births have the mother's surname as TATTERSON.
GRACE WILLIAM HENRY b. 19/11/1851 #144/1851
GRACE JANE b. 31/10/1852 #129/1852
GRACE SARAH ANN b. 18/09/1855 #206/1855
GRACEY Male b. 16/07/1857 #175/1857 - d. 21/07/1857 #55/1857
GRACIE WILLIAM b. 31/01/1859 #124/1859 - d. 10/07/1859 #55/1859
GRACIE EDWARD b. 27/07/1860 #716/1860 - d. 17/08/1860 451/1860
GRACIE LYDIA b. 06/10/1861 #678/1861
GRACIE FREDERICK CHARLES b. 02/05/1865 #178/1865 - d. 03/09/1867 #56/1867
Deaths:
GRACIE Wm age 82yrs d. 1899 St K #3754
Father: Gracie Fred
Mother: Unknown UNKNOWN
GRACIE Eva age 76yrs d. 1903 St K #3686
Father: Tattersill
Mother: Unknown UNKNOWN
Burials:
ST KILDA GENERAL CEMETERY
Location Details CHURCH OF ENGLAND, MONUMENTAL, COMPARTMENT D GRAVE 0165
GRACIE WILLIAM age 82yrs
Date of Service 19/01/1899
Burial Type BURIED
Location Details CHURCH OF ENGLAND, MONUMENTAL, COMPARTMENT D GRAVE 0165
GRACIE Eve age 77yrs
Date of Service 17/03/1903
Burial Type BURIED
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WoW!!!! :o :o :o
Merlin - I don't know what to say. Thanx just doensn't seem to cut it. I am gobsmacked by the about of work you have done. AND you were up until almost daybreak. Well done!!
The original information I was provided with came from a cousin who provided me with a gedcom file some time back. After looking at the online trees that Raylen mentioned, it appears that Henry Gracie and Margaret Fletcher would be a different family but having said that there are other trees that feed into this family, completely discounting the fact that Jane died in Tas in 1854.
Merlin; you said you said you went back to the drawing board because things didn't add up. I agree that things weren't quite right, but where did you start? What did you look for? What was your thinking?
Thanx again ;) ;D
Jon
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Congratulations on all that work MERLIN
I did start looking at that aspect but sleep called me ;)
I think you are spot on with William and Eve being the parents.
Jon, Some of those trees make me smile.
I saw Jane dying in 1854 and marrying in 1875 :o
Hope this has helped you along the way. It's been fun
Raylen
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Hi Raylen
Been a bit of an eye opener this one. Originally thought there may have been two sisters with the one who married Brewster having Jane as her middle name and later adopting that name after her younger sister died. Merlin has done a LOT of work and should be proud of the effort.
Yes those online trees are to be taken lightly. I try to stay away from them where I can preferring to evidence things myself or thru experienced researchers. Whilst the best intentions are there in a lot of cases, there are also a lot of instances where someone's work is copied ad nausea, with any and all errors included. There is a lot to be said for doing things correctly and obtaining the right evidence. I think it is Cando who has as their tag "remember that everything is speculation until verified" Very true!!
I just envy the resources that some of the chatters have in being able to research to this level.
Jon
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Well I bit the bullet and purchased the cert for Jane Gracie's marriage to Brewster. Her parents were William Gracie and Eve Tatteson confirming all of Merlin's hard work....Not that it was ever doubted ;)
Thanx again. It is very much appreciated.
Jon
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;D ;D ;D
Thanks Jon, nice to know my digging wasn't all in vain ;)
Also to Raylen for her kind comments :)
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It is clear there was reconcilliation between EVE and WILLIAM because they are buried together, but perhaps there was 'rocky patch" in 1880 :o
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/38253790?searchTerm="eve gracie" &searchLimits=
Sue
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From St Kilda Cemetery. Nothing new, but perhaps of interest. ;)
Monument erected by GRACIE, Eve in memory of her husband William, died 19th Jan 1899 aged 83 years. Also Eve wife of above died 15th March 1903 aged 76 years.
Sue
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Every little bit helps, Sue. Thank you :D
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Hi Jonc
You may find some other Victorian Brewsters of interest on a new web-tree at
http://www.brewster-family-tree.com/
inept
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Thanx for that.
Cheers
Jon
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Hi All,
That made interesting reading, you nearly worked it all out in the end, Jane Gracie was my Great Great Great Grandmother, she was the daughter of William Gracie ( a free man )and Eve Tattersall ( a convict 8 - 9 children all the boys died in Tasmania). she had a child to Samuel Heathcote ( Henry Douglas Gracie my Great grandfather), she then went to Victoria as did all the family, there she married Richard Lowe Brewster (7 children) and then John Hubbard ( 3 children). Henry gracie was brought up by William and Eve as their son.
if more details on Tasmanian family are needed please let me know.
Regards Maxa.